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uncisu 11/05/2008 02:03 PM Report
Ah, thank you Lance Dugger for demonstrating to all of us what "Change" looks like.
Preston 11/05/2008 01:48 PM Report
Lovely Mr. Drugger, just lovely. What a "becoming", nice young man you are.
Lance Dugger 11/05/2008 01:41 PM Report
To uncisu, I know what class you are in, the emotionally needy, intellectually stupid, don't have anything better to do than blog endlessly class. I don't care what color, class, or sex you are, its the utter factual and emotional ignorance you display that motivated my comment. Who you vote for is your business, but frankly I would be quite disappointed if you supported Barak, for with your stated views that would also make you crazy. Much love---get educated and get a life.
sock puppet 11/04/2008 11:04 PM Report
Pressed-on being repressed. You've been caught (on rare occasions) thinking in paragraphs, rather than oblique hit-and-run snippets, under various nom de guerres. How's about coming out? Save your quips for one string of knee-slapping witticisms. The quality amongst us is descending. We need rescuing. Play Hank Paulson and bail us out. Without ad hominems, eh?
sock puppet 11/04/2008 10:31 PM Report
Not defending Obama, but her unbridled ebullience for Obama. I voted for Nader as a protest on both their houses. Just revelled in her revelling. She did it with panache and she seemed to have-it-coming (if that translates). Sorry didn't mean to make this a text messaging center. Hope Obama wins. But he's not a free man. He may be post slavery, but he's been bought by Citigroup et al.
what evah 11/04/2008 10:05 PM Report
so go tell it to the fawing media, dude.
uncisu 11/04/2008 10:01 PM Report
And let me clarify, we should be proud as a country for what is happening this evening. Obama will either be a great president or a great failure, in this time he does not have the option of being mediocre. If we were to step back as a country though, we would see that worship of our leaders the way we have Obama can be a very dangerous thing.
uncisu 11/04/2008 09:31 PM Report
Yes, it is nonsensical to think she is an idiot, yet if you watched her interview she did not speak in possibilities or of "trying". She spoke in absolutes, that this will happen, just like the lady on youtube was extatic that she no longer had to worry about paying her mortgage. Again, this discussion emphasizes my point that there are so many of you out there that get defensive when somebody does anything but worship Obama.
sock puppet 11/04/2008 09:13 PM Report
Being an anti-christ would be as vacuous as being anti-easter bunny; and scatologically enamored / obsessed.
sock puppet 11/04/2008 08:46 PM Report
Uncisu - Without relistening to her again, maybe she was on a higher plane than government(?). Humanity itself? You know a government of humans (black, white, asian, hispanics) that could fail or succeed on say principles alone; that would enable the feeling that no group was being singled out for punishment. But indeed were willing to try again, and again, .... Should've stopped two sentences ago.
Preston 11/04/2008 08:19 PM Report
I didn't bother watching this interview, because I can tell by the way she looks that she's the anti-Christ.-------- That's for you sock puppet.-------- Oh! And what happened to my appropriate comment defending Lance-a-lot-link Dugger for wearing brown lipstick, the very same shade as Howard Dean's soiled underwear.
to uncisu 11/04/2008 08:18 PM Report
What a patronizing post! It is nonsensical to assume Ms Edelman is a idiot who thinks Obama is going to wave a fairy wand and eliminate all pain...but it is NOT nonsensical for her to put faith in a man who actually wants to TRY to eliminate pain and who can do so for so many simply by winning! His desire to fix social issues and be a light in dark times is refreshing (as refreshing as Clinton's) and is a desire that has been completely lacking in the "now it's our turn" types who have occupied the WH the last 8 years. The fact that he is a man of color is an indisputablely wonderful thing and I honor Mr Edelman's joy in it.
uncisu 11/04/2008 07:43 PM Report
Sock Puppet - elequant post. You put her position into perspective wonderfully and I agree with what you say. My point is not that she can't have a right to hope. Instead, it is sad to see a whole segment of society putting their whole hope into one man, who by the way, does not have a long trail of "saving" people. Where are all of the steelworkers whose job he saved? Not one of them has come forward in the last 2 years. Where are all of the people that he helped at a grass roots level? I don't doubt Obama's desire and sincerity. I doubt his, and any one person's, capacity to fulfill such high expectations. Which brings me back to my first post - what will happen to all of these hopefull people in 4 years when there still is jobloss, homelessness, racism, sickness, divisiveness? She absolutely has a right to hope and dream. She also has a right to have those hopes and dreams not realized because she has lost any perspective on government.
irish 11/04/2008 06:40 PM Report
Thanks for posting this so quickly. I am happy that she is so happy - and I hope her wishes are met today........My only quibble would be that she did not mention how important it is for ALL children to see that ALL children can be what they wish for - the very same thing I would say if Clinton had been the candidate or Russ Feingold had been. It is just as important for white kids to see a President Obama as it would be for boys to see a President Hillary Clinton or non- Jews to see a Jewish President. "We" needs to include everyone.
Reginald 11/04/2008 06:05 PM Report
Marian Wright Edelman is a true gift to America!
sock puppet 11/04/2008 05:58 PM Report
Hey Preston do you ever pass up an opportunity to be ham-fisted? No one needs to HOPE Bush is wrong. Re stupid - of the two posts I'll defer to you as the reigning expert.
sock puppet 11/04/2008 05:42 PM Report
incisu - She's on because of her hyperbole. I accused her of being too simplistic. I recant. She's a nice offset to the baseness of a culture hell bent on acquiring-things-for-the sake-of-acquiring-things. The one who dies with the most toys wins syndrome. Ask the financial wise-guys acquiring trinkets to keep apace with other trinketeers. So she has the audacity-to-hope. That took power of personality. Her historic DNA says she has more of a right to embitterment than to hope. I'm an opposing example (sans her DNA), as I have no hope that our species will survive, and I compound that with the arrogance that I don't think we deserve survival. And that's without the memory of slavery to overcome. So it's kind of endearing to have such innocence endure in any culture, but even moreso in a culture that deludes with rhetoric (euphemism for BS) and steals with policy (a la subprime and predatory credit to exploit human frailty among many other inhumanities). So cut her some slack (which in itself is an arrogant thing to say - like I'm the sole dispenser of 'slack'). She's got it coming (nonetheless) - more than most of us.
Preston 11/04/2008 02:45 PM Report
What are you hoping for? That Bush is wrong and you're really not stupid?.
michele roohani 11/04/2008 02:25 PM Report
simplistic or not in her comments, i watched Edelman with a big smile on my face; after years of having my intelligence insulted by Bush & co., i don't mind smiling at beautiful, hopeful words and that's a lot from a cynical person like me...
uncisu 11/04/2008 11:20 AM Report
To Lance: So you are so threatened by my opinion that you have pegged exactly who I am. You don't know if I am male or female, caucasian, african-american or otherwise, whether I am high school educated or have a doctorate. In fact, you don't even know if I voted for Obama or not. You look for equality, but you attack me personally just because I am not anointing Obama the Messiah. How does that work? All I am asking for is some realism about our elected officials. It seems to me that we have put our complete hope in one man. Can anybody live up to that? What I find disengenious about Obama (and at the same time inspiring and historical) is that he based his campaign on the fact that there is no hope in america, yet we are about to have an African-American who grew up not knowing his father, was not priviledged, yet went to the best schools in the country and is going to be elected president. He did this in a country where he claims there is no hope. So Lance, thank you for playing class warfare, even though you don't know what class I am in.
Jill Davis 11/04/2008 10:52 AM Report
The most beautiful presentation of our nation's challenges and what this election means! She speaks for a country in deep need of a President who cares about this country's future and offers us a foward thinking vision of the importance of working together on crucial matters for our children. Thank you Marian for your honest and uplifting words in a very dark time.
Rosa sat, that Martin might walk,
Martin walked, that Barack might run,
Barack runs, that our children may fly.
Lance Dugger 11/04/2008 10:17 AM Report
To uncisu, whatever the hell that signifies, Miss Edelman was just expressing the pent up aspirations and hopes of a large portion of our society who have had no hope and whose aspirations have been denied for too long. Evidently you, in your position of privledge have no need and understand no place where these sentiments are required to simply survive this experience we call America. Well good for you and your well ordered, realistic and most priveleged existence.
uncisu 11/04/2008 09:15 AM Report
Good thing Ms. Wright Edelman does not speak in hyperbole. "He is the DNA of all americans"? "Now we will have complete economic and social justice in America"? Are you serious? This is Obama worship at it's finest. What is the story going to be in 4 years when there are still poor people, still people without health insurance, people that still die, people that still lose their jobs, still foreign enemies? I'm willing to give the guy a chance, but let's be realistic.
joel 11/04/2008 01:00 AM Report
ok, you gave Marian Wright Edelman her chance; where's the poet laureate spkg on behalf of McCain? some balance even if fuzzy and out of focus like this advertisement for Obama? i'm questioning your judgement in terms of offering all views.
sock puppet 11/04/2008 12:29 AM Report
Her "decency" in America is too simplistic. Ask Howard Zinn. We have a history of preemptive wars, unbridled events of cruelty, from the trail of tears to GITMO. This 'young man' Obama cannot overcome the entrenched oligarchy that really runs our system. The financial wise-guys demonstrated that. The M-I complex demonstrates that. The lobbyists demonstrate that. Money trumps Barack and John. Ideology and idealism are a huge cipher in relation to the corporate powerss wielding their dominance. The financial wise-guys already own Obama and will stifle any cleansing jail-time for any of them. Likewise re Iraq - if the M-I complex is not ready to end it, well, we wont end it. Obama or no. He (or John) will be titular heads only.
irish 11/03/2008 10:00 PM Report
I am so sorry to have to miss the live show tonight - I have such respect for Ms Edelman and am grateful that I can watch the session later here.