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Gina 10/19/2008 01:31 PM Report
Guess which Republican is voting for Barack Obama? ******************** The answer is: Colin Powell. That should tell you something right there...
sue T 10/12/2008 03:01 PM Report
David Brooks is my favorite columnist. If he did not find anything to say about McCain, the Senator must have done a great job on a presidential debate.
It's childish and game play for voters and critics to find catch phrase or sensational one-liners like in the past.
Senator McCain has a steep uphill while Senator Obama effortlessly rides on the wave of national disaster. The people's award should go to McCain.
cheryl8 10/12/2008 02:48 PM Report
McCain did the 2nd debate in a low-key, brilliant manner. He looked mature, energetic and well paced.
If he were sitting down on the stool, posing for show. What would the critics have said?
Trust McCain, he speaks eloquently. Who has substances nowadays in the midst of global financial turmoils?!!!
sock puppet 10/12/2008 01:27 AM Report
Nader is getting my vote as my state is implacably Republican freeing my vote as a protest pox on both their houses.
Gina 10/12/2008 12:28 AM Report
Ricardo C. Amaral - Bom dia, If Ralph Nader carried the percentage of either of the current running candidates...I would vote for Ralph Nader but as it stands he does not and I believe in one of the current candidates who is running with the numbers so I shall vote for him. It's unfortunate but that is our political system as it is.
Ricardo C. Amaral 10/11/2008 06:07 AM Report
Reply to Not Fooled – You said: Obama is clearly the smartest person in the presidential race and just what America needs to tackle the complex problems facing ALL of us.
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I don’t agree with you. In my opinion, the two candidates representing the 2 major parties are at best second rate and very mediocre. They don’t represent the best that the United States has to offer. If that is the case then we are in big trouble.
The best candidate who is running for president, the smartest, with substance, the one who understand all the major issues that is affecting the lives of every American, and the one who could represent real change, if Americans really mean that they want intelligent changes then Ralph Nader is your candidate.
By the way, I am voting for Ralph Nader.
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Regarding the race image that the United States is going to project to the rest of the world, we don't need to worry about that since the rest of the world already knows that the US is in free fall and the entire American economic system is imploding just like in Zimbabwe.
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Barry Shelton 10/10/2008 07:01 PM Report
The comments made by the so-called media elite after these debates are truly appalling, and this is the very thing which disgusts so many in this country about these people. One of the female tongue-waggers, I don't remember which, even went so far as to say that Mr. McCain looked old, and the condition of his arms made him look even older, and he would appear so much more presentable behind a lectern instead of pacing in front of people. Incredible. To cogently agree or disagree with another's ideas or asseverations is one thing, but to comment on another's physical condition goes beyond the pale. Isn't this something that children and other immature people are reduced to? Rather than try to demean the man with such a callously juvenile remark, it is far more rational to understand that this is a mark of someone who showed steadfastness, loyalty, grit and determination under horrific circumstances. Yet members of the media elite reduce this mark to being something rather unpleasant to look at. Is there any wonder as to why there is such antipathy toward these people? They sit there in their self-important little clique laughing and chortling and kissing up to one another and spewing gas, giving their opinions, impressions and biases. Well, who the hell are they? Why are their opinions, their impressions and their biases any more valid than mine? If they can't be objective and contribute facts to improve understanding of the issues, why bother to have them on at all? It truly baffles me how a program that seems to pride itself on interviewing intelligent, objective, creative, knowledgeable and insightful guests can have sunk so low by indulging the comments of these pretentious know-nothings. I don't know whose idea this was, but in my opinion this program has done itself a grave disservice by airing such a mess of tongue-wagging puerility.
movie fan 10/10/2008 10:53 AM Report
I noticed a difference in leadership styles between the two candidates: McCain tends to say, "Follow me because the other guy can't get it done" while Obama says, "follow me because I can get it done." Ideally, the candidates should say, "follow me because i will help you get it done" ... in any case, of the two of them Obama demonstrates a better leadership mentality www.kogmedia.com
Marc Bunn 10/10/2008 10:41 AM Report
D. Newton, if the candidates had actually said anything new I'm sure Charlie's panel would have talked about it. They DID talk about McCain's "mortgage buyout" plan because that was the only supposedly new thing out there. As far as Pakistan goes...give me a break. The Bush administration has already been bombing camps on the Pakistani side of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border after years of doing NOTHING to find Bin Laden. Obama can only do better.
Marc Bunn 10/10/2008 10:30 AM Report
Karen, the fact that even David Brooks couldn't find anything good to say about McCain's performance should tell you something. Mr. Brooks grabbed on to McCain's "mortgage buyout" proposal because he wanted to say something good about McCain's performance. Journalism is NOT about balance...that is a falicy. Journalism is about the truth. Yes, Charlie could have had some Fox News commentator on to defend McCain just for appearances (and I guarantee you he tried to get more conservative people...he even said he tried to get a McCain campaign advisor right at the top of the show, but nobody from the McCain campaign came), but what he had was a bunch of intelligent people commenting on a pointless debate that introduced nothing substantive so those people were reduced to talking about style. That is sad! I wish I could have heard those same people talking about substantive issues, but what they have is politics.
D Newton 10/10/2008 06:41 AM Report
Marc Bunn wrote:
I'd like to know what you (everyone who is angry about the Obama "lovefest") want these people to say. ........................
Obama did what he had to do: look presidential.
Actually we would like some substantiative analysis of what was actually said during the debate rather than superficial evaluations of undefinable concepts like ‘looking presidential’.
Mr. Obama is still making extremely impolitic and irresponsible remarks about violating Pakistani sovereignty. He clearly fails to understand the delicate nuances of foreign policy yet the giddy media cheerleaders consistently ignore his shortcomings of judgement. When a prospective president makes statements that threaten to destabilize a nuclear armed ally and the media watchdogs are grading on style points, we have a problem.
Not Fooled 10/09/2008 11:55 PM Report
Reply to Ricardo Amaral - This is not Brazil, and it is clearly wrong to view this election through your Brazilian view on race relations. While I’m not so naive as to believe that racism doesn’t exist in the US, nor that no one will factor in race when they vote, I do believe and expect that the far majority of folks will evaluate Barack Obama based on his character, judgment, policies, and education/experience. What you call convenient (ref: “...the Demos...promote Obama based on race...”), many see as an asset (be it race with Barack or gender with Hillary). Obama is clearly the smartest person in the presidential race and just what America needs to tackle the complex problems facing ALL of us. Your energy could be better spent working to clean up the racial mess in Brazil rather than spewing 1915 Birth-of-a-Nation racist attitudes here. That is just how far behind you (and Brazil) are. Your ancestors, given their great accomplishments, would not be proud.
Gina 10/09/2008 08:30 PM Report
Yes Bill I follow you. Hurray for the people who will be able to keep their homes. This is a lesson well-learned by all, but I think what bothers me most about this 700 Billion bailout is the fact that only half goes to bailout and the other goes to bailing out other countries out of their debt to our discretion. Will finance ever learn......
back to the real world 10/09/2008 08:11 PM Report
that debate was terrible.
Gina 10/09/2008 07:16 PM Report
Tj Shurland - I can appreciate your observations of our political crisis here in the United States but we all live in glass houses on the world's front. If people haven’t learned from a full frontal slap in the face..i.e…this administration, then it is sad to say they more than likely never will. On the other hand, America has and always will be the forerunners in the world regardless of the connotations of its increasing negative reputation around the world. Hands down this country is still considered the best place in the world to live and prosper for opportunities. Historically speaking as I always refer to, people are people, creatures of habit, creature comforts and all no matter what part of the world they exist. And then again we can bounce back over to your Canada which has a whole host of its own ongoing problems. Canada does not have a prize government either with all of your potential parlimental party problems and as you were once part of the Commonwealth under the monarchy of the Great Britain, though you are self-governing, Canada still remains a constitutional monarchy. You still struggle at balancing your newfound independence as an independent nation. The dollar value for the first time has caught up with the American dollar which in the last year has brought on swarms of Canadians over the American border to buy goods for the first time I believe in history. Historically Canada and its currency has always been considered to be in the backseat of the US economy and your dollar value has always been weaker than the American dollar, but it is a given…that has changed. Don’t count us out yet. We have our problems…and you have your own reality to deal with.
Bill Rieken 10/09/2008 03:34 PM Report
I wish the idea to buy bad mortgages and refinance them for homeowners to stay in their homes was given more support and encouragement for government to help prevent many of the upcoming foreclosures.
Forget who mentioned it, and just consider how much better we (I) would feel if the $700 billion were being spent that way. That has the best chance to help us get out of the mess we're in. Buying junk assets is a waste of money (IMHO). Junk derivative assets may never increase in value, but homeowners paying affordable monthly payments would be a positive cash flow for the U.S. Treasury.
samuel 10/09/2008 03:24 PM Report
Is America insane? I'm serious. That some Americans would even consider voting in that nasty little troll for President, cousin of the nastier trolls who led them to the brink of the abyss, is beyond understanding. But then again, maybe McCain would be the perfect old cowboy to ride the USA and the rest of the world to its inevitable atomic sunset.
Karen 10/09/2008 12:57 PM Report
Marc, it's sad that the expectation for one candidate is merely that they have to "look Presidential" and for the second candidate to only have to show the other "isn't Presidential."
The "lovefest" comments have to do with the idea in journalism of balance. There are analysts or commentators (of which a campaign manager is neither) who do think Senator McCain does a good job. The idea of balanced commentary and discussion is that you present both perspectives. The hope is that having both will help all to consider perspectives they might not otherwise. I think the comments here were not due to those of a Republican party, but those who watch this show to learn something, which usually occurs when a bounty of ideas are presented.
Lance Dugger 10/09/2008 12:23 PM Report
I just finished reading a few of the post on the comment line, some are really worth reading. To those McCain die hards who keep griping that the comments of the bloggers after the debate were one sided and therefore revealed an Obama bias on the show, I don't know how to characterize, is idiots too kind ? What else was there to discuss? Talking about John McCain's debate performance, or about his campaign positions, or about his running mate would be redundant for they haven't done anything really notably insane since he picked nutty Sarah to run with. We've seen the swift boat mud slinging before, his campaign didn't provide a spin meister after the debate to gush over his inept performance, and honestly is anyone with a brain still considering voting for this loser? Those of you mad because you think the media is biased for Barak, imagine how pissed off you're going to be when your "hero" loses. Who or what are you going to scapegoat then?
Lance Dugger 10/09/2008 12:23 PM Report
I just finished reading a few of the post on the comment line, some are really worth reading. To those McCain die hards who keep griping that the comments of the bloggers after the debate were one sided and therefore revealed an Obama bias on the show, I don't know how to characterize, is idiots too kind ? What else was there to discuss? Talking about John McCain's debate performance, or about his campaign positions, or about his running mate would be redundant for they haven't done anything really notably insane since he picked nutty Sarah to run with. We've seen the swift boat mud slinging before, his campaign didn't provide a spin meister after the debate to gush over his inept performance, and honestly is anyone with a brain still considering voting for this loser? Those of you mad because you think the media is biased for Barak, imagine how pissed off you're going to be when your "hero" loses. Who or what are you going to scapegoat then?
Marc Bunn 10/09/2008 12:10 PM Report
I'd also like to add that a good portion of the program was spent talking to David Brooks, and he spent most of his time saying what a good idea McCain's "mortgage buyout" plan is. The truth is that if McCain of 2000 looked at the campaign the McCain 2008 is running, 2000 McCain would be disgusted. Everyone recognizes that except Republicans who are desperately trying to cling to power.
Marc Bunn 10/09/2008 11:59 AM Report
I'd like to know what you (everyone who is angry about the Obama "lovefest") want these people to say. Do you want them to say that McCain really did a great job? That he's closing the gap in the polls? That he's exciting and vital and has a lot of great ideas? If any of that was true I'm sure they would have said it. What I heard was a bunch of people speaking the truth. Obama did what he had to do: look presidential. McCain didn't do what he had to do: make the case that Obama isn't presidential. If you're just looking to feel better about McCain then go to his website.
Ricardo C. Amaral 10/09/2008 02:32 AM Report
First of all I want to say up front that I have been a supporter of Al Gore for the last 2 years until became obvious to me that he was not going to enter the presidential race. You can read all about it at the following thread and there are 850 comments on that thread since August of 2006. Al Gore - Democratic Party candidate in 2008
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74835&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
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Tonight when I started watching the Charlie Rose Show a Barack Obama advisor said that race is not an issue on Election Day in November 2008. Then I remember of a discussion that we had in the middle of September 2008 when someone published an article on Brazzil magazine about Barack Obama and readers of that magazine had a discussion about this subject on the comments section of that magazine. Since many readers of that magazine are foreigners living around the world the debate was mostly among Brazilians, Europeans, Asians and even some Americans, but in general the discussion was from the perspective from people who live outside of the United States.
Right now when the world is watching the US economy be at the center of a global financial meltdown and the perception that the United States economy is in complete free fall and Panic and even possibly close to a collapse – after you read these 3 postings you will understand why if Barack Obama becomes president of the United States in November of 2008 that is going to help to reinforce the idea around the world that the United States is in complete decline.
Besides Brazzil magazine we also had a similar discussion about this subject on the PBS – Washington Week website and also at the Elite Trader Forum.
I posted a copy of the following information on the above forums about the perception that most people has about black leadership around the world. This perception has been developed over time since 1980 when people started having access to cable television, and also satellite dishes became part of most people’s daily lives and they have been watching on their living rooms what has been happening around the world.
In a nutshell: A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Ricardo C. Amaral 10/09/2008 02:31 AM Report
The race subject is something that I did not want to go into detail, but people could not read between the lines and I had to spell it out.
I am not mentioning this from a racist point of view – first I had direct business relationship with Angola for many years, and when I made a proposal for economic development plan for Angola I had to learn a lot about the history of that country.
I made an honest effort in trying to help the Angolans improve their country and in an article that I wrote about Angola a few years ago I said that Brazil had the obligation to help Angola get back on their feet after the civil war ended in Angola.
When I was researching to write my two history books I learned a lot about slavery and the slavery trade. I understand the impact that slavery had in the African Continent and the connection to the Americas.
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Even today many countries in Africa probably would meltdown into chaos and they are dependent on the Chinese and Indians from India to keep the business structure of many African countries going forward – the Chinese and the Indians are the business and traders who keep the economy of many African countries from total collapse.
And you can’t blame it on lack of money, and just look at Nigeria that country had a good cash inflow from oil revenues for a long time and that country still is a basket case.
Last Sunday I spent about 2 hours talking on the telephone with my cousin in Brazil, she is 90 years old, and she is a historian and she just published her 9th book about the history of our family in relation to the history of Brazil. Her mind is like an encyclopedia and she remembers a lot of information about the history of Brazil.
She owns with 2 other cousins a famous farm around Barbacena, state of Minas Gerais. Her cousin lives on the farm and she goes and visits on a regular basis. The farm is considered a historical landmark and they are not allowed to change much regarding the various buildings that they have in that farm, and they have many people who comes to visit it like a museum.
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On our last conversation she gave me a private lesson on the subject of slavery in Brazil – not only about the past but also the influence that still going on with the current generation of descendants of slaves. I learned a lot from her and I told her that she should write a book on that subject before the information is completely lost. It was very interesting a lot stuff that she told me.
Let me bring on another point. In Brazil soap operas are very popular and for many years these soap operas have been exported to many countries around the world.
A Brazilian soap opera usually last for about one year, then they start a new story. Some of these soap operas are about Brazilian history and some of the stories are about the subject of slavery.
People watch these soap operas day after day and they enjoy these stories, (as was the case with soap opera Slave Isaura, which hundreds of millions of people watched this very popular soap opera in Europe, other Latin American countries, USA, Asia, and many African countries) but at the same time the subject of slavery is being reinforced night after night. In these stories the black person is the slave and the white folks are their masters. (As it was the case with soap opera Slave Isaura, which hundreds of millions of people watched this very popular soap opera in Brazil, Europe, USA, Asia, and in many Latin American and African countries)
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Without realizing these soap operas are reinforcing on peoples' minds not only the subject of slavery, but also the racial divide between the two segments of the population the blacks and the whites.
Maybe because I have been exposed to all this material and experiences that I can see things that other people can’t see it.
When the subject of race comes up if you say anything then people call you a racist because in the world of most of these people only racists talk about that subject and that subject is considered Tabu.
But at the end of the day a Barack Obama administration would send on a daily basis images around the world of a black man being in charge, but this time the images would be coming from Washington D.C.
Basically the rest of the world would look at the United States as if the US was just another African country and the global opinion about African countries is not good.
In a nutshell: A picture is worth a thousand words.
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NewsnutMI 10/09/2008 02:31 AM Report
Wow the debate was totally boring. Neither candidate answered the questions that the people asked. They were great at repeating their campaign dribble. As for who was more presidential? I say Tom Brokaw was the only one that even came close to being presidential. It's to bad that the media can not remain unbiased when and present both sides equally. Sen. Obama has been to Michigan many times in the last few months. He mainly goes to the Detroit area, but he keeps talking about how he will not give money to companies that send jobs overseas, than says the government needs to give the Big 3 more in loans. Ford built an engine plant in Mexico and a parts plant in South Korea, GM has built all kinds of plants in China, AT&T's customer service is in India. Sen. McCain still believes in the trickle down theory which is why this country is in the problem it is in now. Will either of these candidates really help the "middle class", very doubtful. If people were really concerned about what is happening in this country they wouldn't be re-electing any of the current legislators. Both the Senate and House has been more than lax on doing what they were elected to do. Maybe it is time for the middle class to put their foot down and stand up for their rights.
Ricardo C. Amaral 10/09/2008 02:30 AM Report
September 14, 2008 Last Thursday Charlie Rose had a number of pundits on his television show discussing the latest developments on the 2008 Presidential Election.
One of the pundits was Jonathan Alter and he said that one of the priorities for the new president when he takes office in January 2009 should be to rebuild the United States prestige and clout around the world for the United States to be able to operate in the new global economy in the coming years.
Talking about rebuilding the United States perceived image around the world then we should keep the following in mind: Here is further evidence to back up the fact that Barack Obama is going to lose the presidential election in November 2008.
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At the end of the day a lot of things regarding the United States it is about image and many people are having second thoughts about having a black president here in the United States. If people like it or not the image that black leaders have around the world is not good and it does not matter how you look at their past record.
Let me clarify the perception that the world has about black leaders and let see how they have been doing in recent history to improve their global image. I am going to list some of the black leaders that symbolizes black leadership in the African Continent and elsewhere in the last 40 years and they were the ones who received most of the global news coverage in the recent past as follows:
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1) Robert Mugabe (1980 to Present) Dictator of Zimbabwe, 2) Mobutu Sese Seko (1965 – 1997) Dictator of Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo), 3) Idi Amin (1971 – 1979) Dictator of Uganda, 4) François Duvalier, known as "Papa Doc" (1957 – 1971) Dictator of Haiti, 5) Jean-Claude Duvalier, known as "Baby Doc" (1971 – 1986) Dictator of Haiti, 6) Omar Hassan Al-Bashir (1989 to Present) Dictator of Sudan, 7) Charles Taylor (1997 – 2003) President of Liberia, 8) Nigeria – since 1960 that country has been a complete mess. Too many bad black leaders to list all their names, 9) Rwanda = Rwandan Genocide in 1994 militia groups killed about 800,000 Tutsis and Hutu moderates, 10) Somalia – Since 1976 that country has been a basket case, 11) Nelson Mandela (1994 – 1999) President of South Africa.
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Above is an example of what black leadership of a country means to the world in recent decades and for a country obsessed with image such as the United States the election of Barack Obama as its new president would project an image of decaying leadership in the United States.
On top of that the world is already very aware of the United States fast economic decline and collapsing prestige and clout since the rest of the world associate the African Continent with the image of political and economic failure that would just reinforce the perception that the entire United States political and economic system is in a state of complete decay.
In a nutshell: At this point what is really at stake in the coming US presidential election is the image that the United States and Americans want to project to the rest of the world regarding the current political and economic state of their country!
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What I am talking about is the perception that most people have of these issues and how these issues are brought to their television programs on a daily basis.
For the last 30 years since cable television, and satellite dishes became part of most people’s daily lives and they have been watching on their living rooms what has been happening around the world.
The images that has been coming out of Africa on a regular basis year after year is an image of civil wars, genocide, complete chaos with criminal gangs roaming around completely out of control, a high degree of corruption, complete incompetence of leaders, a constant state of coup d’etat in that continent, illiteracy, poverty, despair, and so on…
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I want you to keep in mind that we are talking about black leaders who ruled countries around the world in the last few decades and the perception that people from around the world have about these leaders. These perceptions were built one step at the time – one crisis at time that have been broadcasted to our televisions and have reached us all with these images of civil war, genocide, all kinds of crime, drug dealing, political and economic meltdowns, corruption, incompetence, disease such as AIDS, illiteracy, poverty, and complete despair.
By the way, perceptions are built over a long period of time by repeated and reinforced information on the daily news, on movies and so on….
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Tj Shurland 10/09/2008 02:23 AM Report
As a Canadian when you look at America and see the morass that its slipping into and then you take an honest appraisal of the situation where you have candidate A who shows good judgement, cares for people and has a general love for America and wants to see it do well then you have candidate B who is erratic, a little mean spirited and supports the same kind of politics that put America where it is today. Frankly you would consider this to be somewhat of a no-brainer - yet there are Americans that seem so out of touch and unwilling to admit to themselves the gravity of the situation. It almost makes me wish McCain gets elected just to teach these hard headed people a hard lined lesson but you know what I know America would never recover from it so I continue to hope for the best for you all. America is on life support, everyone else in the world sees it so why don't Americans? You all don't have the luxury of getting your presidential pick wrong again 2 times in a row. McCain? Come on! - get a grip! The United States is well on its way to becoming a banana republic... China is going to be the country that sets up enclave sectors in the US and the American public from the middle class on down will become cheap wage slaves. That is your reality!
Elisa 10/09/2008 02:09 AM Report
Hmmm, panel saw what I saw. Debate was bland, we didn't hear anything new except for McCain's proposal to purchase bad mortgages. Obama definitely played it safe and "ran down the clock" while McCain really didn't do anything to help his campaign. There were no Bullworth moments, something I would have loved to see. All in all, a so-so debate.
I disagree with many posts that the show was an Obama love-fest. The panelists just didn't conclude that McCain effectively knocked down Obama or fundamentally changed the trajectory of the race to his favor. McCain hasn't had a winning day in the past two weeks and his supporters are rightfully worried. They're looking for points everywhere--at the debates, in the news, in pundit-land, in the polls. They're just not getting it and the frustration is boiling over.
Ricardo C. Amaral 10/09/2008 02:07 AM Report
Reply to Sally - In the last 2 months there were about 5 articles published on Brazzil Magazine about Barack Obama. There were many comments following these articles and Brazilians were the first ones to recognize that racism still very alive in Brazil today. Not a single person on that forum denied that today Brazilians discriminates against black people other than soccer players and black people who are in show business.
Last Sunday we had a group of friends that came over for lunch, most of them were Brazilians and some friend who also lived in Brazil for many years. Eventually the conversation moved to the current presidential election, and because Barack Obama is a black man the conversation evolved to the racial divide in Brazil, and we heard a number of stories of actual examples of discrimination against black people in Brazil.
A friend that came back from Brazil last week told us 2 recent stories. The first story is about a young black woman that she knows; she got her college degree outside Brazil and after working in that particular country she was able to save some money and she returned to Brazil. She decided to buy an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, and every apartment she visited with her white real estate agent as soon they found out that she was the buyer the seller found an excuse and the property was no longer available.
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Another friend of her a white family adopted a black kid when he was a baby, but today he is about 19-years old. The family went to a church for a wedding, but since they were having a hard time finding a parking spot on the street, the father dropped the family in front of the church and asked his adopted black kid to go and find a parking place and come back to join the family to watch the wedding.
The kid finally found a parking spot and when he was parking the car a police car stopped next to him and the 2 policemen grabbed him from the car and started punching him and asking him where did he stole that car. The kid had been punched on the face a few times when someone who knew the family came over and told the policemen that the car belonged to the father of that kid and they were there to attend a wedding.
I am aware that these examples reflect the racial divide that we still have in Brazil today, and it is not getting any better. If someone tells you otherwise that person is lying. The reality is that today Brazil still is divided among racial lines as never before.
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Ricardo C. Amaral 10/09/2008 02:05 AM Report
Reply to Sally - The mainstream media framed the Democratic Party Primary as a contest between gender and race; right from the start it became obvious to everyone that the Democratic Party wanted to make history by nominating the first woman (Hillary Clinton) or the first black man (Barack Obama) to be the nominee of the Democratic Party in the November 2008 presidential election. Barack Obama became this Democratic Party nominee to represent race (a black man) in a presidential election in the United States.
The original concept that Barack Obama represents race on this presidential election still a valid subject for people to discuss since Barack Obama still is a black man and John McCain represents the other race on this contest, since John McCain is a white man.
It was convenient for the Democratic Party to promote Barack Obama based on race – the first black man to represent a major party on a presidential election – but now if anyone brings the subject of race to the final contest then that person is accused of being a racist.
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There were 3 people who played a major role in Brazil and were very influential in the process of ending the slavery system in Brazil. And I am a descendent of the 3 of them.
For the people who called me a racist they should read the following article that I wrote about slavery in Brazil. You can read the entire article at: Brazzil Magazine June 2003 – “Brazil and the Angolan Connection” http://www.brazzillog.com/2003/html/articles/jun03/p133jun03.htm
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In June 2003 Brazzil Magazine published an article by Ricardo C. Amaral - Brazil and the Angola Connection. Quoting from that article: …Three people played a major role to end slavery in Brazil: José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva (The Patriarch of Independence), his brother Martim Francisco, and later his grandson José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva (The Younger).
José Bonifácio's presentation "On Slavery" to the Constituent and Legislative Assembly when they were writing the first Brazilian Constitution was later translated and published in London in 1826. This position paper prepared by José Bonifácio is the most important and influential work in Brazil regarding ending the traffic of slaves and ending the institution of slavery in Brazil.
If José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva had stayed in power from 1824 on in Brazil, he would have ended slavery in Brazil by 1840, almost 50 years before the slaves finally gained their emancipation in Brazil.
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Another very influential member of my family Senator Nicolau Pereira de Campos Vergueiro, he was the first farmer in Brazil, starting in 1840, to bring over three thousand immigrants from Germany to work as farm hands in the country.
…When Dom Pedro I abdicated the Brazilian crown on April 7, 1831, in favor of his five year old son, the future Dom Pedro II, based on the 1824 Constitution, congress had to elect three people to the provisory regency. The deputados and senators chose the following people to be regents: the Brigadier Francisco de Lima e Silva (to represent the armed forces), José Joaquim Carneiro de Campos—Marquês de Caravelas (to represent the aristocracy), and Senador Nicolau Pereira de Campos Vergueiro (because of his prestige as a senator).
When congress elected the permanent regents in 1832, he asked congress to not include him as one of the regents. He still was a senator and a minister of the empire. He also accumulated a number of government positions during this period.
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He was elected deputado for São Paulo in 1835, and president of the assembly of deputados (1835-1837). He was Vice-President of the São Paulo province (1835-1836), and director of the Faculdade de Direito do Largo de São Francisco (1837-1842). He finally left the assembly of deputados in 1847, when he was 69 years old.
In 1842 when a liberal revolution in São Paulo and Minas Gerais was crushed by the troops of the Barão de Caxias, Vergueiro ended up in prison for two years, because he was one of the people who inspired the movement.
Vergueiro was against slavery, and he was the first farmer in Brazil, starting in 1840, to bring over three thousand immigrants from Germany to work as farm hands in the country. After a very distinguished career, Vergueiro died in Rio de Janeiro, on September 18, 1859.
You can read about my family background in the following article published by Brazzil Magazine: January 2003 - “The Brazilian Ruling Class”
http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/11-january-2003/2149.html
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Barry Shelton 10/09/2008 01:47 AM Report
After every debate the usual chummy bobbleheads all get together and laugh and giggle and chortle during their glaringly biased and bald-faced love-in for Barrack Obama. After every debate they all nod and agree that Obama can do no wrong, and McCain can do nothing right. Such egregious favoritism and lack of balance and objectivity infuriates me no end, and is exactly the kind of thing that Sarah Pailin inveighed against at the Republican convention. After watching those smug, opinionated, self-satisfied know-it-alls I would not put the least bit of confidence in anything any of them had to say, ever. Their behavior has left me with a sense of total repugnance.
Eric K 10/09/2008 01:24 AM Report
The Obama loving did come on a bit strong tonight. Overall I think there were some good critical comments. The truth is Obama is playing it safe and not really showing himself as a leader or someone that can rally the nation. He's just the calm guy that is, frankly, boring. If Obama wins I think history will reflect that it was a B candidate winning over a C+ candidate (based on their campaigns and how it reflects on their ability to lead - not their beliefs or policies). The US needs an A+ candidate right now and that's why I won't be voting for McCain or Obama.
MotherLodeBeth 10/09/2008 01:08 AM Report
As a Libertarian I find Senator McCain both boring and grumpy. Just what we do NOT need in these troubling times. While I have my disagreements with Senator Obama he at least carries himself in a more professional and open to listening manner. And maybe hes the one who will bring hope to the country as well as respect from the rest of the world. Just wish these debates werent so boring! Sarah Palin has been the only energy I have seen.
Brantley Moore 10/09/2008 12:32 AM Report
God, I hope the middle class white female vote w/ the donkeys! For the love of god, that goes w/ the white men too, as I am one of those. Also, the youngsters have to come out or it will be closer than people think.
I know it's a big myth that that younger people come out but I hope this is the first time they do. And this is coming from a 33 yr old dude from OKC, OK.
Big JJ 10/09/2008 12:27 AM Report
David Brooks and Katty Kay are always on the money. These are some of the best of the news debate round-ups. I'm Rep.(no fan of Bush type) and I must say Obama did a better sell. But we can't afford to take a chance on a "used car salesman" at this critical time. We need the old guy to kick some beltway butt. And I don't think Obama can do this because he's wet behind the ears. There would have been a much better argument for Hillary to rock the boat! You need the Beltway connections and respect to get anything done in DC. Having a Congress and Pres. both Dem.s will not be in tune with our electorate. Hold your checkbook!(they already took that! I mean, Ask nicely for some checks back) And check out PitbullPalin.org to show your vote on election day.
Kim 10/08/2008 10:42 PM Report
Thanks for posting the debate discussion video! I love Doris Kearns Goodwin and David Brooks.
Keelaay 10/08/2008 10:38 PM Report
I'm a Democrat, but I believe that John McCain clearly won this debate on substance. He answered nearly every query in detail and proved his deep and broad understanding of every complex issue raised. Obama offered his usual generalities and platitudes. According to the Charlie Rose panel, Obama nonetheless won the debate... no surprise there! And yes, even a Democrat like me can agree that Charlie's show was way tilted toward Obama and was an exercise in drooling over Obama's style instead of examining his lack of substance. (The only provocative comments coming from David Brooks...) But lets face it, with Fox news, the Wallstreet Journal, AM rude radio, and so many other conservative news sources these days, proclaiming that the "media" has anointed Obama is simply ridiculous... like Lucy blaming the sun for every ball she drops. Switch to your conservative media sources and you'll be pleased to hear that Obama is an unpatriotic American who has terrorist buddies and sweetheart Sarah Palin is a true American hero and experienced executive who will single handedly defend us from a Russian land invasion with the Alaska National Guard. When it comes to media sources, we can each pick our own poison...
PeterJohnson 10/08/2008 10:20 PM Report
We love your show, your guests and the content. This particular show and the 96 comments posted prior to this one make me wonder who American's are and who your viewers are? And now I must include myself because apparently I watched an entirely different show than anyone else who has posted a comment. Who am I?
After reading the comments I had to watch it over to check my state of consciousness against the comments...and again I had to ask myself who are American's and who are your viewers? Who am I?
I would like to ask your guests and your viewers one question. "Can you explain to me how you would fix the largest economic disaster since 1930's, that is a result of essentially 78 years of corruption and incompetency." Please answer in less than 5 minutes. Thank You.
Jorge from Bloomington 10/08/2008 10:12 PM Report
This is long but I think the facts make it quite interesting...
It's easy to see why John McCain has earned the title, "Maverick of the Senate." He coined the phrase and then everyone went along. Here's one of the most interesting parts of the most recent presidential debate that seems to be feeding the legend of the Maverick. Look where it starts and how it begins to build, despite the protests of some like Rep. Maxine Waters and, well, the facts.
McCain: ...I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes -- at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.
Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy. And we've got to give some trust and confidence back to America.
I know how the do that, my friends. And it's my proposal, it's not Senator Obama's proposal, it's not President Bush's proposal.
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Later on TAVIS SMILEY's program on PBS....
Kaus: ...I thought it was interesting that he proposed this really expensive-sounding bill to buy up every bad mortgage in America after attacking Obama for spending. Now, maybe it's a good bill, maybe it's some of what you were talking about, about letting people, like, lower the value of their house and pay off a smaller amount, but it's very expensive.
Waters: Well, but that's what the bill really is. The bill is a bill that is going to buy up what is referred to as the toxic paper - these subprime loans, adjustable rate - all of the exotic products that went into creating this economic crisis that we're in. The alt A loans, the no documentation loans, the interest-only loans, the adjustable rates. That's what's stuck now where people cannot afford to pay their mortgages.
That's the centerpiece of the bill...
(LATER)
Tavis: Mickey,... What's your sense - give me some sense of what you think some of the headlines - because this is what you guys are going to be doing yourselves - what's your sense of what some of the headlines are going to be tomorrow?
And the second part of that question is what, for you, do you think is going to be missed that ought to be more focused on in these headlines?
Kaus: ...What's missing is the extent to which I thought McCain is willing to do a desperate pander with this plan to bail out every homeowner in America.
That seems - that's the elephant in the room, in terms of money, I think - unless it's - if it's already in the bailout, then I'm wrong.
Waters: It's in the bill. It's in the bill.
Kaus: Okay, if it's already there, then I'm wrong.
Waters: That's what the bill is, yeah. (Laughter)
Tavis: Too late, Mickey.
Kaus: All right.
Tavis: It's in the bill.
Kaus: She knows what's in the bill, so.
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BROOKS: ...He adopted this mortgage proposal which is this proposal I associate with Glen Hubbard of Columbia and Marty Feldstein of Harvard which is to basically shore up the mortgages by essentially the government buying the mortgages at a lower price than they were originally sold for. And that is a big government, but I think a traditional Republican idea. But it's a break from Republican orthodoxy (a bit of a contradiction, but nevermind) and it is something new and it's an idea that, A, goes to the heart of a part of the financial crisis which is shoring up the mortgages and actually touches people where they live and touches people in a lot of states like Columbia, I mean, Colorado and Florida where the mortgages are really under water. So I do think it was the one risk he took tonight which is really breaking with free market, limited government orthodoxy and I sort of admire him for taking that risk and we'll have to see how the mortgage idea flushes out. But that was the one big new thing...
HUNT: ... I think David exaggerates the newness of McCain's proposal...
ROSE: Well, I haven't actually, I'm on David's side, I haven't actually heard McCain talk about the Philistine program which he had talked about on this show about a week or so ago. That is new, I think, coming from McCain. (According to Rose's own website, McCain had not appeared on his show since 11/27/07. Which is about a week and TEN MONTHS AGO!)
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Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, commonly referred to as "get bankers out of jail" card, or
H.R.1424
Title: A bill to provide authority for the Federal Government to purchase and insure certain types of troubled assets for the purposes of providing stability to and preventing disruption in the economy and financial system and protecting taxpayers...
(Sec. 109) Directs the Secretary, to the extent that he or she acquires mortgages, mortgage backed securities, and other assets secured by residential real estate, and the Federal Housing Finance Agency, as conservator of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac), to implement a plan to maximize assistance for homeowners and encourage the servicers of the underlying mortgages to take advantage of the HOPE for Homeowners Program under the National Housing Act or other available programs to minimize foreclosures. Authorizes the Secretary to use loan guarantees and credit enhancements to facilitate loan modifications to prevent avoidable foreclosures.
C Burger 10/08/2008 10:03 PM Report
I'm an Obama supporter and felt the one sided nature of the discussion was terrible. Obama's polls are going to back down to earth before the election.
Preston 10/08/2008 09:54 PM Report
Let me guess, Celine, you're a chocolate person.
Steve Brown 10/08/2008 09:07 PM Report
Oh, no, Charlie why did you make this episode an Obama love fest? Ms. Jarrett did a 20 minute commercial with no rebuttal, too bad. As someone who does not have much faith in either candidate, such a lopsided presentation following a debate takes the luster from the show. It is unbelievable that you could not find anyone to speak on behalf of McCain. Did you starting asking after the debate? Halperin is right about the lofty impressions from the press box. The panel tonight, in my opinion, did not resemble the general audience. The Palin bashing was a bit much and it comes over as media arrogance. In terms of the economy, neither candidate has a legitimate answer. As stated by the panel, neither candidate can explain how to run their proposed programs with the current economy.
Gina 10/08/2008 08:56 PM Report
Joy - I agree with you. Doris Kearns Goodwin brings a wonderful, unique perspective to these elections and politics overall because she is expert in the histories of all of the Presidents dating back to George Washington. These events have taken place time and time again in the journals of histories past presidencies and it's interesting to see how time seems to make the same mistakes over and over again with the exception now that things have gotten worse. I am a history buff and over the centuries what has gone on in the White House was always well-kept secret but not today. Today things have changed, we have a new type of journalism. It's called 'Tabloid Presidency' and it's here to stay.....
alan Wright 10/08/2008 08:23 PM Report
Charlie,
I can't believe that you have stooped so low as ypur show did after
last night's debate. I am wondering why we need to vote for the Presidential Election when the New's media & commentators have anointed Barack Obama as the next President. This is so obvious
from the start of his campain. You would think Obama is a saint
maybe after every sentence he say's he could include "Amen".
Biased reporting we are all sick of it!
"Journalism 101 just report the news instead of making it"
Tell this to all of your friends.
Joy Morrison 10/08/2008 08:22 PM Report
Charlie: you should be very happy that you program is so highly considered that the right-wing are now targeting you and your guests! Kudos! And please please keep Doris Kearns Goodwin. She is a gem and provides terrific perspective to each show in which she participates. Her warmth and smile are infectious; she is so well-informed; and I love seeing her back on air.
tmax 10/08/2008 08:10 PM Report
The state of the presidential race at this point is pretty easy to see. McCain is showing what an angry irrational man he truly is, particularly when things don't go his way -- as those on the inside well know. His pick of Palin was a desperate attempt to steal this election and it was always a long shot. Granted, he may have had no other real choice, but now that she is showing what a poor choice she was -- but for the glitz factor which has now worn thin and been overcome by what she's shown herself to be, McCain is getting angrier and angrier. He's not stupid -- he knows what's going on. Frankly, he looks to me like a man who could be suffering the early symptoms of senility. And the last thing I want in a president is an angry irrational old man who's possibly suffering from early senility. Oh wait, that's not the last thing I want in a president. Two words: Sarah Palin.
Point of View 10/08/2008 08:00 PM Report
Hey -- Talking to my friends about your OBAMA SHOW - you know, he one where you were trying to make him a saint (quoting David Brooks) and get him elected.
We're all sick to death of Doris Kearns Goodwin. Can't you find someone else to give us an opinion? She's uglier than a troll, has obnoxious teeth, unimpressive opinions, plagiarizes authors in her books, even had to take a leave of absence from News Hour With Jim Lehrer to save her skin. This is someone you want on your show?
Surely there's someone else less irritating you can call on.
http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/27/0227goodwin.html
KR 10/08/2008 07:28 PM Report
We all know what happens when people are in early love/infatuation: realistic thinking goes out the window. LOVE IS BLIND.
T. Hicks 10/08/2008 06:43 PM Report
The October 7th should could not have been more lopsided. Why don't you all just wear 10 Obama buttons on your clothing and hang a big sign that says "THIS IS OBAMA COUNTRY, OTHERS NEED NOT APPLY". David Brooks was the ONE voice in the wilderness that seem to have any sense of balance. The rest of you, and you too Charlie - silence is complicity.
I'm disappointed in Charlie for having a show that was no were near balanced. Seems the Obama $390 million (2.6 times more than the McCain $153 million) fundraising has allowed them to "buy" your show!
I expect this crap from AM talk radio, but not on public broadcasting!
Celine Pen 10/08/2008 06:02 PM Report
Amazing at what length and long winded comments these Republicans go just to "not say" how racist they are. I hope they all pay the price for bringing this country down !! Shame! Shame! Keep up the good work, Charlie Rose. No classier than your show !!