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Gina  09/19/2008 06:17 PM Report

Pierre, je vous comprends. Mais je ne crois pas que McCain est semblable à Reagan ou au gw Bush. Il est un franc-tireur. Oui, il est un républicain mais il est différent que la vieille école des républicains. S'il est élu dans le bureau, je pense qu'il sera un meilleur républicain qu'ancien qui ont fait un désordre des choses.

The End  09/10/2008 12:22 AM Report

Touche' #2!!!

Pierre  09/09/2008 11:05 PM Report

Cher TABS, vous etes un comique.

TABS  09/08/2008 10:10 PM Report

DEAR The End:..............The last comment made was a vernacular way of stating that I did not understand the comments made, Because TABS does not understand French. If the comments were made in English as the first comment was made than one would have seen a different response.

The End  09/08/2008 05:17 PM Report

Weak TABS, verrrrrry weak!

Touche' for Pierre and Sock Puppet!

TABS  09/08/2008 06:55 AM Report

Dear Pierre:.....I only speak Americin. I ain't no ferniner. We don't talk that kind of lingooo around these parts.

sock puppet  09/08/2008 12:04 AM Report

You tell 'im Pierre. Couldn't (believe me) said it better myself. So take that TABS. You and your sarcastique (isms).

Pierre  09/07/2008 11:39 PM Report

Cher TABS

Votre commentaire sarcastique est tres edifiant.

Vous entendez bien ce que vous voulez entendre …

Sincerement je pense que G.W. Bush est le pire president que vous ayez jamais eu et qui a fait l'une des pires betise que votre pays ai fait dans son histoire. Vous n'imaginez pas serieusement que je puisse le comparer a Reagan, Bush pere ou Clinton? Oui c'est vrai que les Etats-Unis font bien ce qu'ils veulent faire selon leurs propres interets en general. Mais je suis en desaccord avec l’idee que Bush II n’ait rien fait de bien different en meprisant l’experience et l’avis d’une parti des Europeens et des Canadiens. Je pense qu’il a change durablement l’opinion a l’egard des Etats-Unis dans ces pays. Quand a McCain, ma crainte n’est pas qu’il ne revienne pas a la politique de la guerre froide mais justement qu’il y revienne, alors que le monde a change. Reagan etait encore dans la guerre froide. Bush I et Clinton en ont vu la fin mais malgre leur intention et leur talent ne sont pas parvenu a redefinir reellement la politique etrangere Etats-Unienne en fonction de ce changement. Bush aurait voulu revenir naivement a la seconde guerre mondiale (tout comme Blair) et a un fantasme de victoire militaire sur l’Union Sovietique version Sadam Hussein. McCain, je pense, va vouloir revenir au monde de la guerre froide mais il ne trouvera malheureusement plus les allies qu’il pense pouvoir trouver, sauf peut-etre a court terme en Europe de l’Est, car les allies qui comptent ne voient plus le monde de la meme maniere.

TABS  09/07/2008 07:32 PM Report

Dear Pierre:

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Didja have a problem with Ronald Reagan, GH Bush the Elder, Billy Clintons ferin policy pardner. What makes ya think that a McCain won't return to the same old same old that has worked for the past 65 years? The only thing that GW the Younger did was do awy away with the reach around ta make you ferniners feel good about yer selves after the USA had their way with ya. Even Bush the Younger in the past 2 years has had the epiphany of a light goin on in his haid, "Hey I can catch more ferniners with some honey than just salt." So wake up and smell the starbuxs pardner and see what is really goin on rather than just jump on the Barry Obama bandwagon.

Pierre (Canada)  09/07/2008 10:41 AM Report

This election in the US is very much watch outside of the US, of course because of the hope that it will change the foreign policy of the US from the naïve and perverted unilateral proselytism of George Bush toward a more multilateral, positive and realist engagement in the World. For this reason, Obama is much more popular than McCain.

From Canada, the perception is a bit more complex. Often, since the Republicans are generally (but not always) more favourable to free trade, a Republican government in the US is an advantage for the Canadian economy. That in spite that Canada is a country which is overall blue in terms of US ideological tendency.

Obama, if he is elected, will benefit from a capital of trust and hope in the World and in Canada in matter of foreign policy. However, this hope is probably to high considering his relative lack of experience and considering the complexity of the world we live in. It is not possible to change from one naïve idealisation, the Bush American proselytism, to an opposite dream or hope equally unrealistic, that we hold the truth and that the US will at last understand the world as we understand it in Europe, in Canada, etc. So Obama will have to deal with that hope, which is not, as it is perceived probably in the US, the hope that the US will bring us the ideals or the light of their leadership or whatever you call it.

McCain, if ever he is elected, on the other end, will have to slowly demonstrate by his actions that he is not simply the continuation of Bush foreign policy, as long as he wants to improve international co-operation, at the least with other democracies. That will be very hard for him, because he is very much associated, for an outside point of view, with supporting the war in Iraq (even if he would have done it differently) and also, more broadly, with the neo-conservative credo. The "maverick" McCain and his opposition to Bush on some questions, including Guantanamo, is almost unknown outside of the US, perhaps more in Canada, but not much more.

Myself I consider both candidates valuable individually, although I lean toward the Democrats and their ideas. Either way, it will be a considerable improvement from Bush lack of judgement. What I am not confident in is that McCain will be able to change the Republican party to meet his own values. How can he fight special interest inside a party that is largely supported financially by special interests? How can he makes a more tolerant country with a party in which a substantial and critical number of partisans are morally rigid and want to impose their moral to others? This is hardly credible for me.

Incidentally, this morning an election has been called in Canada, by a Prime Minister that is very close to Bush and the Christian right, declaring at the end of his speech his pride to live “In the best country of the world” (You see this belief of being exceptional is not limited to the US!). The election will take place Oct. 14, in a bit more than one month of campaign and will cost about 300 millions. Thanks God to save us from the long, bitter, costly and media-circus campaign you have in your country !

aTypicalProgressive  09/07/2008 08:46 AM Report

Much has been and will be written about the Republicans' performance at their convention. I can't speak highly of it because conventions became pep rallies and de facto coronations.<br>

John McCain's speech deserved a C or a D. That's how bad it was. It would have been worse if the preceding speakers didn't warm up the audience. In sports parlance, McCain's speech skills wouldn't qualify him for the pee wee league. Three things were missing during and after McCain's speech.<br>

First and foremost, substance. I heard no significant plan, proposal or issue relevant to our country, just a "me me me I am your man" bravado of heroism and honor. That's not enough these days.<br>

Second, good reporting and commentary. Where did it go? I wasn't disappointed by Charlie Rose but let down by Al Hunt and Mark Halperin. Both acted like awestruck teenagers at a concert, high on euphemistic rhetoric and synthesized imagery. Al Hunt is passing and pissing away the final years of his career with sappy nonsense than substance.<br>

Third, where were the high priest with the crown and the horse drawn golden carriage to take McCain off the stage?<br>

sock puppet  09/06/2008 09:12 PM Report

This reeks of irony mostly, apostasy, and horror since we're dumber than dirt about our selections for office, e.g., Cheney et al. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ From The Vancouver Sun 9/6/08: Sarah Palin - Elements of her evangelical Christian convictions and associations 1. Insists on referring to herself as simply "Christian." 2. Baptized Catholic. Re-baptized Pentecostal as adult. Attended various Pentecostal Assemblies of God churches for two decades, until 2002. Now attending "non-denominational" evangelical church in Wasilla, Alaska. 3. Recently said God supports the U.S. war against Iraq. 4. Has said she would make abortion illegal in all cases, unless the life of the mother was at risk. 5. The Pentecostal church believes Jesus Christ will return to earth in Armageddon, a cosmic cataclysm in which unbelievers will be condemned to eternal suffering. 6. Her former Pentecostal pastor believes in "holy war" against terrorists. 7. Pentecostals speak in tongues, a language that is indecipherable to outsiders, but is considered holy to fellow charismatic Christians. 8. Her former Pentecostal pastor (at Wasilla Assembly of God) questioned whether people who voted for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election would get into heaven. 9. She has said Creationism, the Biblical account of God creating the world in six days, shouldn't be barred from public schools. 10. She recently told followers to pray to God for a natural gas pipeline to be built through Alaska. 11. Opposes stem-cell research, which involves destruction of human embryos. 12. Supports abstinence-until-marriage programs, where teens are taught to refrain from sex until marriage and contraception is discussed only to explain its failings. Perhaps most relevant concern to Canadians: David Gushee, a Christian ethicist at Mercer University in Atlanta, says he is troubled that a public official might presume that government action could be God's intent. "I would never think it is appropriate to describe the actions of the United States military or the strategies of our commanders as a plan from God," Gushee told the Wall Street Journal. Gov. Palin should explain her beliefs concerning the inevitability of a cataclysm and the end of time, Gushee said. "To me, it is highly relevant to someone who potentially has her hand on the nuclear button. If that is her worldview, I would want to know about that." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ If some wonder where I get my belief that our species will not survive, the above should fill in the blanks. Palin-type irrationality is unfortunately matched somewhere else on the planet pitting two religious zealots (gleefully) into their self-imposed (and oh so righteous) Armegeddon. And being not a synapse better we put them in office. Thus we deserve to have ourselves for lunch - well fried. See you all in hell - wear your political buttons - maybe they will comfort you in some perverse way. You can say to each other, "I don't care, we were right! Palin-McCain might've . . . oh nevermind. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!

AndyE  09/06/2008 08:30 PM Report

Neil, For me true patriotism is using rationalism to aspire to be better Americans and live up to the ideals of the Constitution, not fear-mongering of foreigners and policy that masks as patriotism. We will not survive as Americans if we don't learn to be global citizens and respect mutual responsibility.

sock puppet  09/06/2008 03:39 PM Report

More Republican disaster, namely we the taxpayers now own Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. That oughta bout finish our treasury off. How you bettin that the CEO's instead of going to jail will get millions in golden parachutes. The laissez faire deregulation-loving Republicans can't even run government supported operations. GM, Ford in the toilet (mileage standards would've saved them). Financial industry wise-guys broke the system with the subprime egregious greed (where regulation would have saved themselves from themselves - and us). _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ None of this will change until we neuter the lobbyists. That wont happen until congress is reduced to one-term limits. Fat chance. In short we will consume ourself with greed. Cannabalizing ourselves. Tantamount to slicing off a piece of ham from our own butt.

Preston  09/06/2008 12:38 PM Report

jaden, Ah feel yer pine. And I'm givin ya a big thumbs-up.

jaden  09/06/2008 12:33 PM Report

I can't even read your comments anymore, Preston. They are so irrational and toxic. When I see your name, I will just skip to the next comment.

Preston  09/06/2008 12:27 PM Report

This should be HEADLINE news - Barrack Obama wants to dumb-down the EDUCATION SYSTEM. If he wants to poop there, what else does he want to poop on? Does he want to poop on the top and let it "trickle-down"?... I'm beginning to believe the hype that he's a big fan of BEUARACRACIES, which shows his real underlying cynicism that most Democrats really have toward their constituants. And the whole world for that matter.

Preston  09/06/2008 10:34 AM Report

Joe Biden has been saying for years that we should just abandon Iraq. He hasn't been saying it lately... I wonder why?... The reason - He's all talk, and has never proven otherwise. Just like that stupid dog next door that just barks at everything, anything, and nothing.

TABS  09/06/2008 05:46 AM Report

ADVANTAGE McCAIN:

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Leaving the convention McCain has the advantage over Obama in the election. There is no political speech, no political organization, no turn of events that can take it away from him. It is an elemental advantage that goes directly to human society and the human psyche.

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Picture in your mind Obama and Biden on stage together. Then ask yourself the question, if you did not know which of the two men were running for President and which for VP, which would you pick as the Presidential candidate and which for the VP? Obvious answer you would think the older man as being the Presidential candidate. The man who has more times around the block as leading the younger man. Contrast the same scenario with McCain and Palin, who is the Presidential candidate and who is the VP candidate. Answer the older man is the Presidential candidate and the younger woman the VP. This has a feeling of being right with the human psyche.

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In human society we see the older person as being the wiser individual, thus the wise old man leading the younger individuals in the society. It is a universal human archetype.It is a wise Grand Pa McCain leading a younger member of the tribe. It is the way of nature it is the way it should be. With Obama it is the younger who is the leader of the older. Perhaps one could think that the wise old man is advising the younger. But the older is not so incompetent as to need giving up the leadership role. This picture is incongruous with the human psyche.

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This is why the criticism of being inexperienced is so resonating against Obama. This is why the picture of Palin as being humble enough to accept the leadership of a McCain is so resonating. This is human tradition of passing the torch. Older to younger, not younger to older. That is why advantage McCain.

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Further Palin fits the image of a strong and wise Mother figure who is close to the earth. What heart, doesn't that tug at? Advantage McCain.

TABS  09/06/2008 05:46 AM Report

PS to Advantage McCain:

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The fact that a younger Obama is leading and older Biden leaves the feeling of the younger as being presumptuous and thus arrogant. Not so with Palin accepting the leadership of McCain, she is seen as being humble and wise. This is the fatal flaw of the Obama candidacy.

sock puppet  09/06/2008 05:45 AM Report

REMant (aka TABS?) - Your posts would be easier to read (somewhat, as they're perhaps too instructive, pedantic?) if they were broken up with paragraphing. There's a way on these clumsy CR conversations if interested. At the end of the sentence before a paragraph break: press enter, then shift lower underline for 3.5 lines, then press enter again. Thusly _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ Now is the time _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ for all good men (whoops) and women - or persons

sock puppet  09/06/2008 05:45 AM Report

Neil - I'm campaigning here. Your posts would be easier to read, if they were broken up with paragraphing. There's a way on these clumsy CR conversations if interested. At the end of the sentence before a paragraph break: press enter, then shift lower underline for 3.5 lines, then press enter again. Thusly _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ Now is the time _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ for all good men

Preston  09/06/2008 12:32 AM Report

I can't wait for the media to really start quizzing Biden on his "insight" into foreign policy. Because I really believe all he really sees is the inside of his rectum.

jaden  09/05/2008 09:39 PM Report

I thought about ignoring Preston's misinformation, but these are scary times and this election just too important. Joe Biden has been saying for years that Iraq should follow its own constitution and divide its provinces to form a republic, just like we have. Each state has its own elected government, runs its own infrastructure, makes laws, keeps a militia and a police department, etc. Their consitution calls for a federal government, sitting in Bagdad, that retains some power for national security as well as other national interests, just like our own Washington, D.C. Regardless whether you think it can happen or not, that is what Iraq's consitution requires, and that is what Joe Biden has been saying for years.

MotherLodeBeth  09/05/2008 07:19 PM Report

The Observer .....I am from the West and rural wild west at that and I think one reason some of us, yes me included, point out the whole hunting and wildlife lifestyle is simply because for those of us who have and will hunt in Alaska or other western states, it isn't a lifestyle for wimps. And the men are rugged and don't like women who whine and complain. And neither do I. So it seems to me that those in the media and alas some folk whose idea of camping is a motel in a national park area, may simply need to get better educated on what it takes to live where we do.

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Heck how many know the cost of living in places like Alaska? Like paying $9 for a gallon of milk or $5 for store bought cheap white bread? I think of family and friends who in a month with be hunting in the Dakotas, Montana, Alaska, and other western states as well as Texas, Nebraska, Ohio and rural New England, and not as a hobby but as a means to provide meat for the table.

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I really do think some suburbanites and city people simply don't know that most of America resides outside the areas on both coasts where they live. I personally think some people could learn a lot from us if only they were open minded enough to try. Lord knows we have had their ways shoved on us for decades. -----------------------------

Recently the Discovery Channel did a series called The Alaskan Experiment where some city folks were put in rural Alaska for a couple months and required to make it on their own. None did well at all even with all the help the producers provided. And then there is the series Ice Road Truckers where they follow truckers who have to travel over ice covered lakes during winter to deliver goods to businesses. They have a woman driver and trust me she doesn't get to whine or cry feminist victim. She is expected to do the same job same pay as the men! Same with the series The Deadliest Catch out of Alaska.

Neil MacCallister  09/05/2008 06:21 PM Report

Thanks, espy. I may try to find those keys upon my keyboard, ..after my fingers stop tembling. Thanks.

Neil MacCallister  09/05/2008 06:16 PM Report

Of all the things which could be called American, that flag stands above them all. It stands above the Generals, above the Supreme Court, above the Congress, ..even above The Constitution itself: For Americans who can't read, that flag IS the constitution, and it deserves the respect it has always offered to us.

sock puppet  09/05/2008 06:05 PM Report

Peg, Janet Clark - Would you really want to listen to a correspondent that read these posts? Take each other to breakfast and mourn your voting apostasy later.

Neil MacCallister  09/05/2008 05:52 PM Report

Sen. Obama is a segregationist, a divider. He divides Americans into: Those who are on the government payroll, and those who are not. He himself knows only public-money payroll for his income, his education, and his "community projects". This is dangerous, as it leaves him with an unreal understanding of the source of money, fulfillment, and strength. That source is personal struggle, personal survival, and personal achievement. His limited background affords Mr. Obama no appreciation for the American journey: He refuses to lift his hand to his heart for our flag, he is a proud atheist toward the American Spirit.

John McCain looked up from the dirty floor of a war prisoner's cell and found strength in the memory of America: Its people, its struggle, and its progress. He heard the voices of the other prisoners encouraging him to continue on in company with his fellow countrymen. Their uniforms were gone, no cheers or bugles sounded. But there was that voice from the next cell, and there was that American flag he had scratched into the dirt on the floor.

Our flag never yells, never fires a bullet. It is more a blanket than a club. It is the single most important banner under which we define ourselves, and find ourselves, as Americans. Our flag waves to us in good times and bad, from the high school playing fields to the battlefields of war. There is no division here: Our flag flies in the exercise yard at the prison, and at the post office, and the corner church. There are not two Americas, there is only one. This is it, we are the people who populate it now. We are the ones John McCain hoped to see again as he sketched that flag in the dirt.

Who among us would let that flag fall to the ground? Who among us would refuse to lift their hand to their heart in its honor? Anyone in that group does not appreciate what it means to be an American. Anyone in that group has not lain in a foreign prison cell. Anyone in that group has never been on the front line with those Americans who have struggled to keep it flying.

Our National Anthem is a description of the pride one American warrior felt when he witnessed that flag surviving through a battle filled night, still flying high and sparkling in the morning sun. We hope we can all survive the struggles of life with such honor. We hope America can survive its struggle, and continue to bring health and happiness to people suffering all around this world. Our anthem gave hope to John McCain on that prison floor. It has always given hope and comfort to people struggling to survive the hardships of life.

When that flag survives to fly in each new morning, and that Anthem plays to deliver our thanks and our shared hope that it will fly forever; people of thought, experience, and character raise their hand to their hearts in a shared communication of their pride, wonder, and appreciation of America's efforts.

Not everyone understands what America is, not everyone says thanks, not everyone joins the pledge to help it continue: Barack Obama does not raise his hand to his heart for the anthem of America. Perhaps he feels he could have gotten his Harvard education in Malaysia, or Kenya, or Iran.

John McCain knows better. John McCain has been there. John McCain sees that flag for the life banner it is; and when that anthem plays, broken disfigured shoulders or not, he will lift his hand to his heart in its honor. That is what Americans do.

Let's elect an American as President!

sock puppet  09/05/2008 05:47 PM Report

TABS - You wrote: "The fact that a younger Obama is leading and older Biden leaves the feeling of the younger as being presumptuous and thus arrogant. Not so with Palin accepting the leadership of McCain, she is seen as being humble and wise. This is the fatal flaw of the Obama candidacy."

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That has the presumption of (I'm guessing) of middle-age. Personally, the older I get the more I'm ready to defer to the younger - that are growing exponentially it seems.

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Character and values trump chronology or longevity. Perhaps unfairly, but the little we know about Palin's diverges too largely from the desired standards in our leaders that I would like to see. Blame it on Cheney-Bush fatigue. She scares me, literally. Some large, some small. A Cheney-type abuse-of-power: (1)the state trooper, and (2)even more chilling wanting or actually firing (Nazi-style) a librarian for not removing books. (3) Pride in her son going to Iraq. If she didn't discourage that - with all her demonstrated assertiveness - she's lacking something essential. (4)The unmarried daughters pregnancy possibly can be written-off as "it happens," but doesn't it happen more to us trailer-trash than to a wanna-be leader of the free world? If she's so capable where was her guidance re condoms, pills, abstinance (even). Then did she allow her an option on marriage (I'm betting not - based on ambition not religion). (Abortion itself is another blog about ruining 3 lives versus ?.) (5)Would she eat her young for ambition? Just kidding, but barely. Lastly (and most unfairly) a woman interviewee on NBC concluded with "vicious" as a closing descriptor. Struck a chord with me. Palins countenance now reflects that for me - looking to see if her smile reaches her eyes. I'm still looking. Shallow? Perhaps. I'm a simple person looking to get off the planet without taking another. So far so good. Cheers!

Peg from PA  09/05/2008 05:27 PM Report

I think the commentator who was on the Charlie Rose Rep primary coverage may want to know that I am one of his 3 woman out there who will go from Hillary to McCain/PalinJ)))))) where does he want to meet for lunch? Bring a gold card because there are many more than 3 of us.

Peg from the soon to be toss up state of Pennsylvania

love you Mr. Rose

Not Fooled  09/05/2008 05:24 PM Report

McCain’s speech was far from the phony accolades conveyed by panelists Hunt and Halperin on this show. The only individuals who seem to honestly stay away from the propaganda are Doris Goodwin and Byron York. Even Charlie has difficulty staying true to his journalist roots. When you fail to analyze the data or ask the difficult questions, the resulting discussion is just propaganda. Charlie, it is clear to me that those who called you “liberal media” have got you scared and running for cover. It’s time to turn off the lights when you and your panelists fail to do your jobs.___

In deciding whom to vote for, I could not care less that McCain was a POW in the Vietnam War! Get real, that is NO reason to vote for him or anyone else. The country is in shambles (the economy/jobs, banking, housing, energy) and McCain feels it is better to waste 45 minutes on irrelevant war hero facts than to explain to America why he supported Bush’s policies over the past 8 years and what he plans to do differently over the next 4. This speech was empty, void of a plan for change, and full of patriotic chest beating. It was a total waste of my time and his opportunity to build a case for change.___

McCain’s war hero strategy will certainly not bring the change we need. The irony in chanting Fight, Fight, Fight, is that you’re fighting yourself!

sock puppet  09/05/2008 04:43 PM Report

Hey Preston - worth a smile but don't let it go to your head.

sock puppet  09/05/2008 04:32 PM Report

From the WSJ 9/2/08: "And even though Sen. McCain appeared to get a bump in polls in the wake of the Russian-Georgian clashes, many U.S. voters already are weary of prolonged conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The public could conclude that more defense commitments aren't worth the potential price and side with Sen. Obama, whose responses to the Georgian crisis have emphasized diplomacy and consensus-building."

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I often use a doomsday offense and Cheney's (McCains) ill advised Georgia antics and this chart are only some of the reasons why: Country and nuclear weapons: USA 10,300; Russia 16,000; China 410; France 350; UK 200; Israel 100; India 90; Pakistan 85.

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A total of over 27,500 and growing. An old saw says we have enough nukes to destroy the earth 5 times over. Does that say anything over 2,000 is wastefully insane or insanely wasteful. Either way it shouts OUR SPECIES WILL NOT SURVIVE! Justifiably? To each their own on that. Personally would like to at least delay it for an uncountable number of generations (or selfishly until my progeny die out).

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Back on point and to this end (of survival), railing against Cheney's and McCain's Russia-Georgia approach (policy?) is apt as their idiocy is potentially fraticidal. Cheney in particular seems so nihilistic that he is hell-bent on destroying what's left of our country before the clock runs out next January. The feckless Democrats should have at least attempted to impeach he and Bush if nothing else to divert trips such as the one to Georgia. He and Shrub are known loose cannons and their continued political lives are an effront to decency and possibly survival. Arrogance will be the ultimate linchpin for our self-immolation. And we, led by Cheney, Repulicans and upcoming McCain-Palin lead the world in it - not ideology, alas - but arrogance!

Janet Clark  09/05/2008 04:27 PM Report

Where do we join that numbskull for lunch? I know many more than "three" women who voted for Hillary and will be voting for McCain. We are not single issue voters and can live w/ Palin because several states have laws protecting freedom of choice and those laws

prevail over Rose vs Wade. Quit trying to hold women hostage to Roe vs Wade and start taking care of business. I'd vote for McCain based on the fact he wasn't wearing a red or blue (or red and blue) tie---a hint that he can think outside the box. I have voted Democrat my entire life and am looking forward to demonstrating some CHANGE!!!!!

The Observer  09/05/2008 03:00 PM Report

In response to MotherLodeBeth: I agree with your point that they shouldn't have been discussing the end of the speech (that they hadn't seen). But questioning how well Palin has been tested isn't a comment on your worthiness as an American. More importantly--we're looking for the most qualified person to be the vice president of America. I'm trying to figure out what Palin's aptitude at killing large animals has to do with that. I have to laugh when I hear her fans obsequiously attempt to paint Alaska as an unsettled wild west ruled by a gun-wielding moose-killer-woman. I think Biden will do more than fine against her on substantive issues, because the contest will be about intelligence, experience, readiness, and political skill. In a gun fight or a moose dressing contest she would definitely win, but this is about who can best lead the country in the event of a tragedy.

Preston  09/05/2008 02:59 PM Report

boogyfingerz on Fri. Sept.5 at 4:56am raises some valid points, except for the fact that if it's a close electtion, and it will be, chances are either candidate will be a lame duck and a continued get-nothing-done political stalemate. However, if real progress or competence is made in the foreign arena, the President will get the support to accomplish his goals domestically. As long as the Democrats continue to show blatant ignorance and denial (that includes Mr. divide Iraq into 3 separate countries, know-it-all Biden) in that arena, I see know reason to hand the torch to them.

MotherLodeBeth  09/05/2008 02:35 PM Report

I agree 100% with Mary who posted on Friday, Sep 5 at 02:01 PM, ( Why is Charlie Rose and his commentators analyzing a speech they haven't heard? The last 10 minutes of Mr. McCain's speech was by far the best oratory of any of the candidates) about the last part of Senator McCains speech where he challenged us to FIGHT for this country and he kept saying this over the applause and cheers of the crowd.

Senator McCain may not be the BEST speaker but that may not be such a bad thing. Some of the smoothest salesmen can separate you from your money before you even realize it. So being plain speaking, and not using fancy words which some segments of society seem to love, is something middle America will probably appreciate. And I especially love it when media types suggest that since Governor Palin hasn't been on any of the Sunday news talk shows that she hasn't 'arrived'. I laughed so hard every time this week this suggestion was made. Many of us in middle America spend Sunday with family and in church. So I guess we will now be dismissed as less than worthy Americans. And then today (Friday) the media is saying Obama-Biden will have Senator Hillary Clinton take Governor Palin on. I am so looking forward to Biden hiding from a real debate and seeing a woman who can shoot and field dress a two thousand pound Moose in less than an hour take on an east coast senator. The Governor from Alaska the last America frontier who can and has taken on the old boys in Alaska can handle a Senator from New York. I also wonder how many of those opposed to drilling for more oil as well as producing fuels and energy from ALL other sources, do anything more than complain. Some of the biggest complainers in regard to oil drilling are the same folks I see buying oil based products like plastic throw away bags and containers, fast food items, tools, appliances, high tech items, clothing, shoes, sports equipment. Or don't these folks know what oil is used for besides gas in ones car?

mary  09/05/2008 02:01 PM Report

Why is Charlie Rose and his commentators analyzing a speech they havent heard? The last 10 minutes of Mr. McCain's speech was by far the best oratory of any of the candidates. God Bless You John McCain.

And God Bless those of you who cannot stand even one second of non-worship to your false messiah Obama - even by the liberal media. You'll soon find out - with puzzlement I'm sure - that middle America likes real heros over ones made up in the halls of academia, the me first corruption of Chicago-style politics, and the echo chamber of the media.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT Go McCain Palin

Jeremy Feldman  09/05/2008 01:50 PM Report

If you're going to bring someone like Mark McKinnon on your show, whose sympathies clearly lie with McCain, I wish you would at the very least challenge him. For example, he said that the Democrats assertion that a vote for McCain is a vote for another four years of George W. Bush's policies would fall flat after McCain's speech last night. However, there was little to nothing about McCain's policy pronouncements in the speech that differ from Bush's. He's in favor of Bush's tax cut, in favor of Bush's Iraq policies (now), wants to build more nuclear power plants and give the energy companies more opportunities to drill for oil, etc., etc. Where has he shown his policies differ from Bush's? Surely you could have stopped McKinnon from getting away with this statement. This is the stuff that drives me crazy when I watch TV news programs!

Gina  09/05/2008 01:16 PM Report

Well, here is another dichotomy that is interesting. Sarah Palin's husband worked for 18 years as an 'Oil Production Supervisor' and only left his job taking a leave of absence due to the fact that it was conflict of interest with Sarah Palin's position. Again, why does everything lead back to OIL with these Republican hierarchy office seekers? I would be surprised if that does not weigh heavily with some. The longstanding argument of searching for other sources of energy and oil would seem to be a moot point with all of these extended branches jutting out from the tree of the ‘Oil Barons’

Gina  09/05/2008 01:11 PM Report

Bravo Terrence Marcelle:

I could not have articulated it any better than you just did. 'kClass is as (class) does'.

Gina  09/05/2008 01:06 PM Report

Bravo TABS!

As I can relate to myself having just noticed today that another imposter has used my name (as distinctive as it is...wink) to post felonious garb alias (simmerdownkiddies). People like this are always the weakest link connected to intelligence. I am content with the fact that I use the same email address each time I post and so I'm sure the staff has no problem in deciphering who's who in these comments on this board and will be able to tell the difference.

Long Memory  09/05/2008 11:14 AM Report

Charlie,

After the McCain speech at the RNC, you said that you would love to have Sarah Palin at your table for a conversation. You didn’t say "again." Was it forgotten that she was at your table on October 12, 2007? (Palin was in NY to attend Newsweek’s “Women and Leadership Conference,” and she was at your table, with Governor Janet Napolitano of Arizona as a “celebration of women.”)

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/10/12/2/a-conversation-with-governors-janet-napolitano-sarah-pa lin

Here's three interesting bits:

1) Charlie asked both, “What are the issues that will sway the undecided vote in the 2008 Presidential campaign?” Palin’s answer (found at the ten minute point) is “national security.” (Curiously, Napolitano gave the same answer. If Napolitano is correct, it seems to favor McCain.)

2) 14 minutes into the interview, the question was about ambition. “Do you think beyond being Governor?” Unfortunately, only Napolitano was given a chance to respond.

3) With regard to the charge that Palin lacks experience to be commander in chief, listen again to the conversation 11 ½ minutes into the interview. Janet Napolitano said, “One of the things that you learn [as Governor\ is that you are the Commander in Chief of the National Guard, and that is a totally different role.” Palin, in the background, agrees resoundingly. “Yes.” Palin didn’t get a chance to elaborate, but Napolitano did: “It means you’re talking to families, going to funerals, thinking about deployment in a fundamentally different way than I had anticipated, and it’s a big responsibility.” Palin agreed. “I cherish that role – that responsibility.”

Terence Marcelle  09/05/2008 11:05 AM Report

I was wondering what speech you were all watching. Finally, Byron York pointed out that Sen. McCain's speech was... flat. Very flat. That said, those who support him still will, those who oppose him still won't, and the vaunted independents? That remains to be seen.

And re: Ms. Palin's speech on Wednesday night: she proved she can be belittling, sarcastic and mocking. Again, she did what was asked of her. She belittled the opposition. As someone who is known for his sarcasm and caustic nature, I could easily cut Ms. Palin down. But to what end? It serves no purpose. I'll just disagree with her on the substantive issues.

Preston  09/05/2008 10:38 AM Report

TABS is TABULOUS!... And can't be suckered by flattery. An impervious rock of, tellin' it like it is... I imagine him looking like, Spock.

ABroadsview  09/05/2008 09:22 AM Report

To Charlie Rose & His Panalists:

I can't believe how your personal liking for John McCain has blinded you to the impact that this ticket will have on the women of this country and the very security of all Americans.

I am angry. Very angry at the republicans. Not all republicans, just the ones who have destroyed the best of this country.

John McCain is on the TV pretending that he is not responsible for the mess we are in today.

*The economy has not worked for any but the upper classes. He thinks trickle-down will work--it hasn't yet.

*The War has no end in sight, and McCain seems likely as not to start another.

*Healthcare is less and less available to average Americans and he offers a non-solution.

*Women's health issues: sex education, childbirth, childcare, contraception, EC, safe, affordable abortion services, are all in jeopardy now and will be outlawed if these republicians gain the whitehouse.

*As reproductive freedom is at risk, so are our Constitutional freedoms.

The above scares me, but what is angering me right now is that the republicans think it is fine, just fine, to put this old man in charge of our lives and wellbeing, and have Sarah Palin take over if he can't serve out his term. (Or worse, Dick Chaney will comes back to "help" her because she's not "that" experienced.)

Let me ask you, if McCain cannot stand up to the radical religious right. how can he stand up to Al Qaida?

The choice of Sarah Palin the candidate by John McCain the candidate is an insult.

Amy  09/05/2008 05:20 AM Report

In case anyone was wondering what the large white building was, behind McCain, Josh Marshall up at Talking Points Memo has a plausible theory. It seems to be the Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, California. But why, one might ask, would John McCain have that as a backdrop for the most important speech of his career? ......... Several of Josh's readers have suggested that perhaps the image was supposed to be of Walter Reed Medical Center. Apparently, whoever did the photo search, didn't fully understand the assignment and none of the planners caught on to the mistake. ...... http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

boneyfingerz  09/05/2008 04:56 AM Report

So if we are to believe that John McCain is the 'maverick change agent' he claims to be, what will be the base of his power to deliver his promised revolution? Will he just reach across the aisle to have the Democratic House and Senate hand him their support? Or will he wield the power of the Republican party establishment which he vilified and divorced himself from tonight? Maybe Sarah Palin will martial the forces of the GOP's conservative base to carry the day.

I think not! Electing John McCain will result in a lame duck and four more years of political stalemate. The Republicans have controlled the legislature and executive branches for most of the last eight years. The Democrats control the legislature now. It is time for them to have their turn at 'change' as well as be held accountable for their performance.

Stalemate will only serve the self interests of the status quo, which both candidates seek to overcome. If meaningful change in the next four years is the goal, there is only one candidate with a chance to succeed. imho

tevo d  09/05/2008 04:53 AM Report

Hello To Charlie and Co............

Please err on the side of telling us "more " rather than less.....I was freaked out to discover that it is Palin's INFANT son that was born with Down syndrome......I fear you were being too "gentelmanly" in omitting this relevant/of interest fact from the review of her speech and the controversy that surrounds her....... I am relying on your crew all to present what is in play for all the candidates......It hurt to find out that important detail via google....I know u were being "classy" but facts are vital!.