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Neil MacCallister  08/19/2008 05:11 PM Report

Mr. Gunter, for whose benefit are you banging that shrill drum? ..America's? You claim we are "asleep", ..yet we maintain the highest GDP of any nation in the world. You claim our President is a fascist dictator, ..yet you here enjoy the freedom to publicly call him a murderous villain, and then go back to watching TV, unmolested. America does not murder, America does not torture, ..except here in these blogs.

Rick Gunter  08/16/2008 01:31 AM Report

Thank you for having Jane Mayer on your show. Her comments and book underline dramatically that the Bush administration is the closest thing we have had to a Nazi-like government in my 64 years. Americans, just like many Germans before them, are asleep.

Motorhead Mike  08/15/2008 08:06 PM Report

Dick Cheney looks like he would be a good dungeon master, if he choked a few terrorists to death with his own hands, then so what; I think it's quite comical myself. I also think it's funny how the countries that produced these terrorists are considered to be the experts at performing "torture", gee, who wooddah thunk it. Lastly, she offers a solution of giving these poor "victims" sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Hey! Works for me! Now watch me play the air-guitar!... Piranhas of the world! Unite!

MysterZee  08/15/2008 06:36 PM Report

As several below have pointed out so well, here's my take on Charlie's interviewing style:

Charlie Rose's SAT Test Analogy Question:

1) Enhanced interrogation : torture ::

A) interrupting : "engaging conversation."

B) finishing other people's sentences : "informed"

C) asking self-important questions : Mike Wallace

D) all of the above

Root Ingram  08/15/2008 02:50 PM Report

Glad to finally see and hear someone run smack on David Addington, Cheney's current chief-of-staff and long-time appointed White House official whose salary is paid by taxpayers like you and me. Addington and John Yoo developed the infamous "torture memo" which took the good-old USA down the war crimes road. I hope and pray David Addington will be placed on trial for war crimes related to his involvement in torture and violation of the Geneva Accords. David Addington graduated from Sandia High School (SHS) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Like many SHS graduates, I am not pleased that it has been reported that Addington is from ABQ and attended SHS. David Addington's reactionary, right-wing actions were in response to the fact that he and his inept bosses - Bush and Cheney - dropped USA's guard against the terrorists shortly after taking office, even though the CIA warned them that Bin Laden was going to attack, and we got 9-11. I hope Addington is sentenced to prison time, just like his pal "Scotter" Libby.

Neil MacCallister  08/15/2008 02:35 PM Report

These "torture" books descend like Scud missiles, and we do live in fear after 9/11. Look at the "marketplace" of conversation: Hatred has become our discourse, and accusation our most common predication. As the World Trade Center was sent to the depths below, this "giant sucking sound" is the undertow pulling nearby everyday people into the downward spiral. We should resist drowning, ..we should swim hard and try to stay afloat. The false claims of "torture" are the McCarthy trials of our day. Torture is the maiming and/or slow killing of a human being, ..to satisfy a hatred, or to render information. But "detainee" David Hicks' cell at Gitmo (see wikipedia) looks much more comfortable than a San Quentin jail block. He was released in 2007. This month, Mr. Hamdan got his trial. That is the best we can do, war is hell, and nobody likes it. We are not supposed to like it. Which of these authors, though, have detailed how they would have reacted to 9/11, or how they would impede it from happening again? Nobody likes war, let's try and build something better.

the ghost of George Carlin  08/15/2008 11:35 AM Report

Well said, preston. I'm farting in my grave... Now if I could just find an air freshener. Oh by the way, you have my permission to kick Bill Maher in the balls. He deserves it, for trying to be me.

Preston  08/15/2008 10:05 AM Report

My dear Christopher, Is that why Mr. Rogers never could say titty-twister but could say nipple enhanced interrogation. It's called "politically correct" and invented by the liberals approximately a generation ago. I used to be against it, but now that I'm alot older and a little more mature I have a better understanding of it's appropriateness.

Christopher  08/15/2008 06:21 AM Report

Even Charlie can't say torture, he keeps saying enhanced interrogation!!!!

Judy  08/14/2008 11:51 PM Report

RE: Jane Mayer's book The Dark Side.

I was shocked at Ms. Mayer's attempt to let Bush and Cheney off the hook regarding 911. They weren't at the White House to be shocked, etc. They both stayed missing for many hours. They were warned of an attack but chose to ignore it. Her story is to "white wash" the 911 story.

Some of us even believe they were involved in 911 so they could go to war in Iraq (even though they didn't attack us) and destroy our democracy.

It was pathic how she explained away the torture, murder, and loss of rights.

This jounalist is not telling the truth or ignores it for her own self interest.

I'm not happy Charlie Rose is getting my tax dollars to be on PBS. What reality does he live in?

Cameron L Stewart  08/14/2008 06:57 PM Report

Overall a good show. My only criticism is that - as Jane Mayer herself points out - the CIA has been involved with torture as a form of interrogation for over 45 years. The first CIA KUBARK manual of interrogation was published in 1963 and declassified copies can now be downloaded from the internet. The techniques used include sensory deprivation, sensory overload, electroshock therapy, physical beatings, and drugs (including LSD and PCP) to alter states of mind. The U.S. also ran an operation called "The School of the Americas" and used it to train Latin American death squads. As Naomi Klein points out in "The Shock Doctrine" the only difference between now and before 9/11 is this: Instead of doing these things covertly with the CIA, the Bush administration now does this openly in the military even though this is a violation of the Uniform Military Code of Justice and the Geneva Conventions. Jane Mayer's notion that America's "innocence" was lost in this war is an illusion that America as a nation needs to rid itself of. Iraq is but one more example of U.S. Global Military policy since 1963.

Demo  08/14/2008 05:48 PM Report

As a member of one class that graduated from SERE training, I would characterize it as painful, although I went through other phases of training that were tougher. I am reminded of what doctors say right before they begin a painful proceedure "This may be a little

uncomfortable". Perhaps torture, like pain, is

in the eye of the beholder.

I too "thank God" that we have not yet suffered

another attack. I also thank our law enforcement, intelligence and military personnel.

MotherLodeBeth  08/14/2008 05:44 PM Report

Whatever happened to leading by example and do unto others what we would have done to us. Jane Mayer is a breath of fresh air. I say this as a family member who has had men in the military since the Revolutionary War. How can America put forth the idea we are better than all other countries when our dirty little secrets say otherwise?

Lauren D.  08/14/2008 05:15 PM Report

TWO TYPES OF PEOPLE: 1. Those who engage in the torture debate as a part of some ideological culture war. 2. Those who enter the debate asking the simple, universal ethical questions (i.e. "Do some ends justify any means?", etc.)

AMERICA'S "SOUL" HAS ALWAYS REQUIRED THAT WE BECOME THIS SECOND SORT OF PERSON.

Unfortunately, the conversation here, first in the studio and then here online, serve to politicize and factionalize, and do little to restore that vital national perspective.

john paines  08/14/2008 04:58 PM Report

As he does with virtually all guests who question the fundamental goodness of the American ruling elite, Charlie nearly succeeded in shutting down Jane Mayer completely.

Constant interruptions, asking one good question and then instantly demanding an answer to second or third trivial one, as if Charlie really doesn't want the answer to be heard, or as if by posing questions he demonstrates his command of the material, to the extent you can command the material by not reading the book -- when will this guy ever learn?

On the other hand, put a Pat Robertson, a rabid Republican ("rabid" by the standard of any other industrial democracy) or a dictator friendly to the U.S., and Charlie is nothing but patience and respectful silence.

Are guests with stories he doesn't want to hear always doomed to disrespectful and obstructive interviews?

charlize courriers  08/14/2008 04:44 PM Report

It is such a shame that Charlie was a draftdodger back in the 60's, earning all those degrees as he maintained his student exemption, while the rest of us became---U.S.,the best!(an inside joke only the best know). Maybe we wouldn't be subjected to laughing liberals like Ms.Mayer, filled with resentiment while searching for the reality of what men do to each other in war. The invasion of Iraq has become the liberation of Iraq, but like all wars, an imperfect business or a perfect hell. And if Charlie had "served" maybe we wouldn't be subjected to that marvelous entrepreneur from Paris who sells just another brand of American exceptionalism-"only we kill without torturing our enemies." Yeh. just ask them! War is a helluva good business oportunity for the the poseur moralizers on the Rose hour. If only you had been there, Charlie, with the rest of us.

lori  08/14/2008 04:44 PM Report

Sex, $, flattery, what wrong with this as a means for torture?

Charlie, stop your rudeness. Let people finish their thoughts and sentences. You do this all the time, trying to prove how smart you are.

Smart people and good interviewers listen and respond.

Neil MacCallister  08/14/2008 04:27 PM Report

Mr. Rose tonight presented 3 authors (when including the General's book). On previous nights this hour has presented "in-bedded" reporters (e.g., John Burns) and a reasonable and fair range of opinion has been presented. If Mr. Rose went to college in the 60's, good for him, America needs an educated populace, ..so much so, in fact, that public school originators once spoke of education as an American "duty". Many serve, in many ways. oo-rah.

scripts7  08/14/2008 05:29 AM Report

It would be great to live in the world of these well-off, well-meaning people.

American streets will change one's empathy. A lot of America lives in fear. Well-meaning women, like tonight's guest, are just not tough enough. The only thing that matters are those last comments. The three things.

sock puppet  08/14/2008 01:49 AM Report

Sharp lady along with Gourevitch(sp?). Too uptight re this subject to relive it, so I'm coping out with a repeat of my response to Gourevich: Back-to-back programs tonight nearly tore me up with abject disappointment in our national policy re torture, interrogation etc. Mr. Gourevitch demurred for redemptive trials / persecution for those responsible. I disagree! Like the "moral hazard" concern re taxpayer bailout of financial institutions, the same hazard - only moreso - exists for the perpetrators of torture. The next group of "sicko bastards" will have to consider consequences. I of course would take this all the way to impeachment of Cheney, Bush and trials of Rumsfeld down. That wont happen of course. Misbehavior in the oval office is one thing; murdering and torture another. Our extant prioirties are about all that we can expect anymore. Those damn Russians, Iranians, Pakistanis, N. Koreans, Sudanese just don't listen. Public trial of our despots would make them pause at least and maybe even secretly admire our grit and moral suasion. We could at least use the bully-pulpet without (as much) hypocrisy.

RE Mant  08/14/2008 12:01 AM Report

The response of the Bush admin to the events of Sept 11 shows like nothing else could what to expect from high officials with NO personal military experience. Add that to the fact that they were already looking for a way to remove Hussein for various personal, ideological, and economic reasons, and you get the mess we have today. We would have been better off to have just rebuilt the buildings and forgotten about it, altho the CIA and FBI needed a swift kick in the pants. Frankly I am tho' tired of hearing about it. I just don't want it to happen again.

Chris Free  08/13/2008 11:27 PM Report

A decision must be made

in the life of every nation...

at the very moment

when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat.

Then it seems that the only way to survive

is to use the means of the enemy...

to rest survival upon what is expedient,

to look the other way.

The answer to that is: Survival as what?

A country isn't a rock.

It's not an extension of one's self.

It's what it stands for.

It's what it stands for when standing

for something is the most difficult

- abby mann, "judgment at nuremberg"