Charlie Rose

Me  08/02/2008 01:40 PM Report

I am waiting now for a counter program with Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/12/ohanlon/) or Michael Ware (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-durang/war-correspondent-respond_b_58769.html) or the surviving members of the 82nd Airborne who wrote the 8/19/07 NY Times op-ed "The War as We Saw It" (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html). They think Pollack and his companion O'Hanlon are blind or frauds.

Dr. Murray Morgan  07/29/2008 04:40 AM Report

[What\ A Nauseating Conversation With Admiral Fallen [so low -- to make his "book bought" via appeasing rich-arrogant Arabs, via distorting [on the show\ the name for an old geographic water way's name [several thousands years old -- per King of Saudi Arabia known always\; calling it "Arabian Gulf" rather than [by its real name\ Persian-Gulf --just to have his book sold/just to make some buck -- It was very sad to see such a nauseating spectacle by a so called "Admiral". Rather than "admir"ing him I felt a kind pity for his "fall"ing so low. Shame on him. The English, to create "division for the purpose of conquering", invented the name "Arabian" that President Nasser of Egypt fall for this cinical dostortion just to play politics. I speak frankly. I do not BS. I express and state what I feel in the hope to awake those (we the Westerners)who think have more rights than others (people of the rest of the world).

Of what right, have we [the Westerners\ become the "Guardian" [like parents to under-age child/retards\ of the non-Westerners? Of what right, dare we (from 11000 miles bully/intrude on others)to tell them what is good for them AND dare to ILLEGITIMATELY [through abuse of UNSC\ demand them to do what WE [the fallen from Ass-holes\ we want them to do OR we "bombard them".

This pas de tous-nonAdmired "Admiral' Fallon [better suits him being called ; "FallEn"\, after having INVADED/Ruined Iraq [and have become extortionist Pirate-States Of America\ dares to say that Iran [conveniencingly forgotting that, culturally/emotionally, Iraq, Afghanestan, Pakistan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenestan, Uzbakestan, Kazakestan, Tajikestan, and even India are bond together throughout the history\ is meddling in the affairs of Iraq and Afghanestan!!! [which is a lie\.

I hope the former=people-SERVANT-Admiral Fallon reads it.

July 17, 2008

Remember that on the Judgment day, in the presence of God, I will hold you responsible, and ask you if you conveyed these words to the People’s-SERVANTS in the legislative, judiciary, executive branches AND to the Press/Media.

Please, tell them not act as if you are GUARDIAN of people. Act as SERVANT of people.

I wish you well and a swift recovery SERVANT Ted Kennedy. Please convey this message to all other SERVANTS of people in Senate, Congress, White House, and other institutions of the government and Judiciary branch; to: a) start acting as being SERVANT of people, b)start earning their salary, c) stop acting as being the GUARDIAN of people -- as i.e. parents as the Guardian of their underage/retarded/incapacitated children/offspring.

To everybody in the legislative, judiciary, executive branches AND to the Press/Media:

Remember that on the Judgment day, you will be held responsible for your arrogant/cruel/unjust/rights-denying/exploitating/pirating actions towards others (all over the world -- the "better than others"-Westerners [due to the SPECIAL manner of their birth -- falling off the ASS's-HOLE/Vulva rather than the ORDINARY manner of the birth of the rest of the world -- exiting the vulva of their mothers\, and "subhuman"-non-Westerners). The reason for this way of my talking to power is to make it sink in the minds (of those who forget the fact that they are sent as the SERVANT of people to, without infringing on the RIGHTS of others, act on the business of people.

July 16, 2008

Servants of people, Servant Speaker Peloci and Servant Chairman John Conyers,

You are there to, on behalf of people to legislate and watch for the interest of people NOT to act as if you are GUARDIAN of people (under-age children/retards).

It is not up to you to veto the will of the people. It is NOT important that there is or there is not enough vote to convict President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. It is the desire of people to proceed-with/act-on the previous and the current impeachment proposals of Congressman Kucinich; regardless of the number of supporting votes. Impeachment matter is NOT a political issue that you weigh the gains or loss viz à vis the at issue political subject matter. Constitution of the USA allows people to impeach and remove a President who has committed high crimes.

Because, President Bush has set numerous dangerous precedents which are harmful to the Rule By People, it is imperative to impeach him [before the end of his term\ regardless of the number of supporting votes in favor of the conviction. The fact that Congress has proceeded with bringing forward the subject matter of the impeachment, would remove the implied created power/authority effect, as a precedence, that another US-President might desire/decide to invoke. Power corrupts. Congress and Senate are there to, as one of the MOST important duties of legislative branch, watch for people so that the President does NOT act like a King.

It is UNPRECEDENTED for Congress to ignore an impeachment request coming from a legislative body. It would be terrible for Congress to break this long-established precedent. When the Florida legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Swayne, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. When the committee reported it, impeachment was passed. When the Mississippi legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Bruin, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. Shortly later, a new judge was appointed, apparently after Judge Bruin died or resigned.

So, I, Dr. Murray M. Morgan, as the soul of the humanity/people/nation, ORDER you [as the Servant of people\ to, immediately, bring forward the proposals of Congressman Kucinich to vote and send it to the Senate for the trial. You are, hereby, ordered to refrain from acting as if you are the GUARDIAN of people.

So, I, as the soul of the people, order and urge all the Congressmen, congresswomen to, for the sake of upholding the Constitution/Constitutional RULE OF LAW, support the previously introduced Articles and the Article of Impeachment introduced by Re. Dennis Kucinich on July 10. President Bush deliberately lied to Congress and to the people about the "threat" coming from Iraq because of its so-called arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. He started the war to remove Saddam who had dared to put image of his father in the front-yard walkway of one of the governmental buildings/one of the Places in Iraq for the people to walk on (shown in CBS or ABC -- it is funny that nobody dares to talks about this uncontrollable motive of President GW Bush; which was the real reason behind the Iraq-war--this uncontrollable urge to punish Saddam was the reason that GW Bush was chosen/encouraged to run for Presidency – because he would do whatever he is told to do). The President lied and hundreds of thousands of people have died as the result of his vengeance-seeking. The Constitution is the law of the land and not a partisan political issue.

There is danger of starting another act of aggression against the very peaceful nation of Iran. Warmongers/Military Industrial Complex (MIC)/illegitimate desire of Israel are after destroying what Iranians, on their own, have achieved in technological advances/military industry; to keep Iran from joining the developed countries. IAEA through more than 250 thorough/intruding inspections (that we will not tolerate a second of it -- despite of our annual manufacturing of 50 modern atomic bombs) has concluded that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful. But illegitimate power houses/MIT and the cancerous big corporations that are after exploitation of resources of Iran, want to bombard Iran anyway to keep Iran dependant so that she is forced to buy arms and goods from them at astronomical prices until she, due to no longer having OIL to sell, becomes poor like African countries that are left on their own to fend for themselves. These power house/MIT/Corporations do not want democracy for Iran.

Since when the burden is on the accused? Iran is not making atomic bomb.

SERVANT President/Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen,

I, as the soul of the nation/humanity, order you all [SERVANTS of people\, to stop bullying Iran. Who has given you the authority to pass sanctioning resolution against Iran -- to freeze assets, put blockade on Iranian ships in Persian Gulf; in their backyard waterways by our faraway [bully, coercing, extortionist, pirate\ country? You the SERVANTS of us, the people, have no right to order our forces to act as pirates in Persian Gulf for a spoiled country, the Israel (that has more than 200 atomic war-heads BUT dares to lecture the peaceful nation of Iran that has a peaceful nuclear program according to the NNPT guidelines/IAEA). I, Dr. Murray M. Morgam, as the soul of humanity/nation/people, order you to pass a resolution to pull out all our forces from Persian Gulf and vicinity and bring them back to home and start to make the military very small, to a size that is necessary to defend any attack on our country here in the USA.

Who the hell you think are? Era of colonialism is passed. How dare you decide to dance to the lead of Senator Lieberman to block Iran’s ships/assets and dare to inspect their cargo. We have made mocquery of the UNSC. Iran is a peaceful country. I, Dr. Murray M. Morgam, as the soul of humanity/nation/people, order you to start EARNING your salary by spending your time on the issues that you have authority (according to the Constitution); on the domestic issues. Start earning your salary and act on people’s will; pass law to dismantle our atomic bombs and pass law to prohibit our country to make new/or upgrade our atomic bombs. That is what you have to spend your time on.

We all, know it very well, that Iran is not, ever, going to make atomic bomb. The "burden of proof" is on the accusers not the accused.

Time and time again, IAEA has concluded that Iran's nuclear program has been peaceful and that they have not found any clue to point to it having had been otherwise; that is, being a weapon-geared program.

IAEA should ask Europe, USA, and Israel to prove their allegation (that Iran has weapon-geared nuclear program) NOT Iran to prove is not making atomic bomb.

It is impossible to prove/show that you do not have something that you have never had it at all? The burden is on those who make the allegations. OR, because we (the blue-blooded, arrogant, savage-beast-bullies) consider ourselves "better than them" (because they are non-Westerners, and thusly/sub-humans with less RIGHTS than us), we want to prevent them from advancing in science and technology; that when they achieve it without our permission, we treat them with "Carrot/Stick" policy!!!. Is it logical to, instead of saying hello to the shopkeeper of a shop (that has something that we want to buy), threat him/her instead? If we treat Iran with respect, they would be more than happy to sell their oil to us with enthusiasm.

We know that, within a millisecond of daring of the use of such policy ("Carrot/Stick" policy) by others, we would respond with: "Shove them both" and would leave the room immediately. How dare you treat people like that? They are not horse or donkey. I am amazed that Iran, despite of our savage treatment of them, has been able to show such admirable degree of patience and restraint towards our insulting attitude against them. I, as one of the Citizens of USA, am asking you to, immediately put stop into use of such a stupid "foreign Policy".

We should treat the nations of the world as equals; with respect. Specially, a nation like Iran, that has more than 5000 years of glorious civilization, and contribution to the world in all fields; fields of art and science (physics, chemistry, medicine, astronomy, mathematics, and arts).

A fair-minded person like I, acknowledges that, despite of our rude, arrogant, and bullish behavior of West, Iranians have been more than patient with the ILLEGITIMATE/ and UNJUST, RIGHTS-DENYING demand of West from them.

Shame on you, Mr. President. Shame on Europe and shame on us all.

Mr. President, our past interferences against the toppled democratic governments of Iran, demonstrates how in-genuine our “pro-freedom”/”pro-democracy” claims have been/are.

Mr. "President", Please, do not BS people. Forgot our toppling of Mossadeq and our sabotaging of Iranian's beautiful 1979 revolution which lead to toppling of President Banisadr? Please refrain from making any sort of threat, AND any sort of manipulative pseudo-uprising fabrications against Iran; so that people, who had democracy/freedom (during the three year Prime-ministership of Mossadeq and the two year Presidency of Banisadr), on their own (without any sort of interference from outside), re-establish it again from inside; through peaceful and genuine uprising against their government (that is stolen from them). The only person who has authority to speak for people of Iran, is the first-President of Iran, the self-exiled former President Banisadr who, at the moment, lives in Versaille, France. He, truly/popularly, was elected by 70% of votes through a real election. Since then, he has been educating/informing people of Iran so that they, by themselves, stand up again to topple the current corrupt/illegitimate regime and re-establish a legitimate/people-representative government in its place. All these, including the nuclear-issue [that per IAEA is a peaceful program\, are INTERNAL affairs of Iran. How would we feel if a bully-nation [from across the Globe\ interferes in such internal affairs of ours –telling/deciding-for-us [as if we are under-age/retards\ as to what is good or not-good [in our interest\? AND through imposition of various sanction regimes [via abuse of UNSC or outside of it\ coerce us to do what we THINK is RESPONSIBLE-behavior/good for us? Neither our Senate [or any other institutions of our country\ nor those of the other parasitic/arrogant/pirate/thieves [other blue-blooded Western countries across the Atlantic\ have ANY right to meddle into the internal affairs of other nations of the world.

De quelle droit we dare to DICTATE to other nations what to do or not to do?

Without regard to the nature of the government, people of Iran tend to wrap around their government when they perceive outside-danger/threat against their country; no matter how brutal and oppressive it is. So please,stop/refrain from making/imposing any degree and sort of threats, sanctions or manipulations against Iran.

Do not pay attention to Mojahedin-e Khalgh or ex-kicked-out blue-blooded pro-Shah individuals who, in order to continue their parasitic way of life, bark and wag their tails to us so that we throw them some money (bone). These kicked out corrupt people, who do not respect any degree of human rights for the people of Iran, are against democracy and freedom for their homeland.

Please, I, as the soul of humanity, HEREBY order you to cease/stop assets-freezing [pirating\/bullying/coercing Iran. Anything/any-treaty that the current-illegitimate government in Iran signs and agree to, would be illegal and illegitimate.

Sincerely,

Dr. Murray M. Morgan

Linda Mae  07/28/2008 11:51 PM Report

Just a brief note to remind readers that Iran just hanged 29 people. They were supposed to be drug dealers, rapists, and murderers who had been given sentences, let go and went back to their illegal ways. They were hung from crane-like scaffolds. How can we work with a country unless we know them? We haven't a clue what values they hold. We cannot evaluate them using Western values. But, so many of us try.

Aaron  07/27/2008 04:32 PM Report

Leon Hadar's article "Sorry Not the Hardest Word For Ken P", regarding Ken Pollack, barely hints at it (alluding once to Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency), but Israel, AIPAC and the rest of the Israel lobby, including the Bush administration's mostly Zionist neocons, were the mightiest pushers (of especially phony intelligence) for the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and now for a attack and war against Iran. Even if "the Surge" in Iraq "worked" (i.e., "violence has greatly subsided"), it's mostly because, due to the US war in the first place: either most of the Iraqis that have not been indiscrimitately killed by American bombs (like the rain of American phosphorus bombs on Fallujah) have been killed or supposedly displaced and segregated into respective religious zones by the so-called "sectarian religious conflict"; and because all the Iraqis who could financially afford (if often barely) to leave Iraq have now become refugees in Syria, Jordan or wherever else; and because (according to the highly respected British medical journal Lancet) up to a million (or perhaps more by now) Iraqis have already died as a result of the war, but people are still grievously suffering and the Iraqi medical system has been all-but destroyed as seriously wounded Iraqis languish and die in hospitals with hardly any basic supplies and medicines; and because the major Iraqi militias have been PAID OFF by the US not to kill American soldiers (for now); aside from the over 4,000 US troops that have already been killed and over 50,000 seriously wounded, maimed or cripled; and because the US really doesn't have much more to mass bomb anymore; the Surge and this war could never be called "a success", what with its vast human death, abject suffering, and refugee toll in Iraq, not to mention the huge loss of any US moral credibility throughout the world, especially by most of the people of the world, not only because of the human toll in suffering and death, but also because of the US phony intelligence and the fact that the US attacked, invaded and is militarily occupying, and trying to steal the oil resources of, a country that never did anything to or never even threatened the US to begin with. Would we call that "a success" if that one day happened to us by a still rapidly growing world economic, technological and military superpower like, say, China? It would hypothetically be as if a fire department went out and started a fire in a high-rise apartment building that killed a lot of people, and horribly burned a lot of grievously suffering people who managed to survive, and left a lot of people homeless, BUT the fire eventually mostly burned itself out; but not really due to the fire department's (which started the fire in the first place) efforts, after the fire has spread, at subsequently trying to extinguish the fire with "a surge" of manpower; no one would say that finally the death toll has dropped and called that "a success" for the people who lived there.

--- slight CLARIFICATION re "Comment by ---- TO ALICE & OTHERS" : ... Arabs/Persians, _LIKE FUOAD AJAMI_ ... !! ----   07/27/2008 05:48 AM Report

Otherwise, Charlie's Middle Eastern favorite is FUOAD AJAMI who can always be called and counted on to unfailingly support the Zionist-supremacist colonial/imperialist goals -- and my previous ethnic sociopolitical term about him (but it's a fairly common name, that I applied to Arabs/Persians, _LIKE FUOAD AJAMI_ , that Blacks call Eurocentric/white-supremacist Black sellouts against the oppressed), along with my post, got DELETED.

---- TO ALICE & OTHERS : LET'S SEE IF *THIS* GET'S DELETED TOO! -- FOR *TOO MUCH TRUTH* AGAINST THE *UNDISCLOSED* ZIONISTS! ----   07/27/2008 04:41 AM Report

TO Comment by Alice on Saturday, Jul 26 at 09:59 PM, and other interested readers: ______ In addition to JIMMY CARTER (in fact on Charlie's show, but Charlie still didn't mention that to Pollack) debunking "Israel's/Barack's generous offer" to Arafat, ROBERT MALLEY, one of Bill Clinton's CHIEF 'CAMP DAVID II' MIDEAST NEGOTIATORS also said that Israel's offer was manifestly unfair (and, *of course*, Charlie *didn't* challenge Pollack with that either). Israel/Barak made a downright insulting offer of a TOTALLY, economically and politically, SUBSERVIENT (read: COLONIZED), not only _AT LEAST_ *TRI*FURCATED, but also *"SWISS CHEESE"* (as many have called it) 'Palestinian state' in name only. In other words A *JOKE* at best and A COMPLETELY *UNVIABLE* 'STATE' at the least. ______ But, if Malley ever revealed that earlier, I didn't hear him publicly say that until one or two years ago (and also timidly once on Charlie's show), probably because Malley knew he would have been dead meat (I mean look how the Zionists have attacked CARTER as "anti-Semitic", and Carter is a liberal Christian Zionist himself who has lied to protect Israel, but the Zionist/Israel lobby expects *COMPLEEETE OBEDIENCE*) -- anywhere in or closer to his time 'in office' -- if he had revealed that ISRAEL, THE ISRAEL LOBBY, MARTIN INDYK, DENNIS ROSS, KEN POLLACK, or ANY OF THOSE OTHER ISRAEL LOBBY -- AND CURRENT/FORMER CHIEF U.S. GOVT -- OFFICIALS and/or HEAD ZIONISTS, and/or U.S. ambadassors to the UN or Israel, or chief negotiators, and their syndicated UNDISCLOSED MOUTHPIECES / PUNDITS like THOMAS FRIEDMAN or BERNARD LEWIS or any of those other UNDISCLOSED ZIONISTS / ISRAEL LOBBY PUNDITS are *LYING* THEIR DAMN ASSES OFF. ______ As I said before, WHY NOT?: who's going to challenge ANY ZIONISTS on Charlie's show or on mainstream American corporate TV? _______ Charlie Rose also has other *UNDISCLOSED* CONSERVATIVE ARCH-ZIONIST ISRAEL LOBBY OFFICIALS ON AS CHARLIE'S REGULAR FAVORITES, not only like MARTIN INDYK, but also like *DENNIS ROSS*. ______ As the "alternative" Palestinian guest, Charlie *USED TO HAVE* RASHID KHALIDI (prof. at Columbia Univ.) on, who knew how often he had to bite his tongue (and he often did) in order to ever be invited back on again. But I haven't seen Khalidi on for a LONG time, so either Khalidi got tired of having to bite his tongue (I mean, *I* could have often made better arguments against Indyk), or every once in a while Khalidi would actually *CHALLENGE* the likes of Indyk -- AND MAYBE EVEN THAT WAS TOO MUCH FOR CHARLIE: PEOPLE WHO TELL THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH (even just every once in a while) ON CHARLIE'S SHOW -- OR FOR THAT MATTER THE PBS NEWSHOUR (which I was on once) -- OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER PBS SHOWS -- RARELY, IF EVER, GET INVITED BACK ON (as with me). _______ Otherwise, Charlie's Middle Eastern favorite is FUOAD AJAMI who can always be called and counted on to unfailingly support the Zionist-supremacist colonial/imperialist goals -- and my previous ethnic sociopolitical term about him (but it's a fairly common name, that I applied to Arabs/Persians, that Blacks call Eurocentric/white-supremacist Black sellouts against the oppressed), along with my post, got DELETED -- and to call any Middle Easterner who resists being (whether by Israel or the U.S.) colonized/neocolonized "terrorists". ______ ALICE, you and others should read JEFFREY BLANKFORT's article, available online, "A War for Israel" -- HE *SUED* THE *ADL* AND WON A VERY SIZEABLE SETTLEMENT! -- see online articles -- an EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE and *MORAL* ANTI-ZIONIST JEW and journalist-- a *TRUE EXPERT* on THE ISRAEL LOBBY and THE DEEP EXPANSIVENESS and INTRICACIES OF HOW IT WORKS. IF HE'S NOT ASSASSINATED BY THE JDL -- who after all, Charlie's deleters, were caught in a Southern California-wide bomb plot -- he'll have a book out next year on what people in the U.S. govt merely and fearsomely just call "THE LOBBY" -- and therefore absolutely HATED BY ZIONIST JEWS (my entire post might get deleted on that count alone, but when criticizing Zionism/Israel I know to keep copies, just like I did before). ______ Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA.

Alice  07/26/2008 09:59 PM Report

Charlie, the vast majority of Americans, yes, that means MOST GOYIMS, are sick of the media, including YOUR SHOW insisting that we listen to ZIONIST POV and pretend it's unbiased. ____________ NYT allows psychos like Benny Morris promote a nuclear holocaust on Iranians on their op-Ed page, and you insist on letting Pollack spread his revisionist history without challenge on a most respected show. >>>>>>>> Pollack would like US bases in Iraq to protect Israel, PERIOD. >>>>>>>>>> War for OIL? NONSENSE. Every country in the world BUYS their oil in the markets, they don't wage WARS. And when was the last time Pollack objected to Turkey's powerful military and their once a decade Military Coups? It's all about ISRAEL AND NOTHING ELSE.

--- You know what, "Roy"?: go do your MUDDLED mental masturbation somewhere else where your special, ahem, 'talent' might be 'appreciated'. It's not my job to UNMUDDLE you. ---   07/26/2008 03:38 PM Report

RE: Comment by Roy Fassel on Saturday, Jul 26 at 10:51 AM

Roy Fassel  07/26/2008 10:51 AM Report

So in closing....to the Man behind the curtain...."To fight, we must have oil for our machines." - Adolf Hitler..... "The war was decided by engines and octane." - Joseph Stalin.......

"Above all, petrol governed every movement." - Winston Churchill------------

Hitler had a problem. There simply was not enough oil available "in Europe" to satisfy the huge requirements of his expansionist aims. As Germany conquered more territory in Europe, they accumulated more oil, but they also took on the responsibility for the oil needs of the new acquisitions. For instance, Italy, as did other European nations, imported around 90% of its oil in 1939. The battle for North Africa was a struggle for control of the Suez Canal and access to oil from the Middle East and raw materials from Asia. Britain, which was the first major nation to field a completely mechanized army, was particularly dependent on the Middle Eastern oil. Rommel's "Afrika Korps", GOT TO LIBYA............. NOT TO CAPTURE SAND. Rommel told the Germans he would secure for them unrestricted use of all military facilities in Iraq, whether or not they were held by the British. By the early 1940s, the extent of Saudi oil resources had become known, and the United States petroleum companies that held the concession to develop the oil fields were urging Washington to assume more responsibility for security. In """""1943""""" Franklin D. Roosevelt declared that the defense of Saudi Arabia was a vital interest to the United States and dispatched the """"first United States military mission to the kingdom""". Saudi Arabia preferred Americans because all the European countries had """"colonialism histories"""". To suggest that all the problems of the Middle East are due to Israel (1948) , Zionist or not, doesn’t carry water. The Middle East will remain a problem because of two things which do not mix....religion and oil. The world will need the oil from the Persian Gulf. This has nothing to do with Pollack's views or Israel. Nothing will change this, even if the new Messiah of the Universe thinks he can make a difference. All the best, Man behind the Curtain. I wish you well. Charlie Rose has an excellent program and his program is quite thought provoking. You are not.

Roy Fassel  07/26/2008 12:58 AM Report

It is always puzzling to have someone have all the answers, but those some ones wish to hide behind the curtain or maybe a mother’s skirt. When I said everyone has made mistakes that ever had anything to do with the Middle East, which would include America. The Middle East had a colonial history with Europe long before America was even an issue. People don’t think in these terms, but part of the reasons of World War II was that both Japan and Germany were looking for oil in their ventures. Japan and Germany import almost all the crude oil they use, and did even then. It was then that FDR aligned with the Saudis …to keep the oil from getting into the hands of both Japan and Germany. I repeat that "everyone" means "everyone". All the best to those behind the curtain.

--- yes, it *is*, isn't it... --- especially when they *don't* --- like your MUDDLED 'history' of WWII ---   07/25/2008 10:46 PM Report

Comment by "Roy Fassel" on Friday, Jul 25 at 05:36 PM: "It is always puzzling to have someone have all the answers" --- ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY TRY TO *MAKE IT UP* (TO *TRY* TO AVOID LOOKING LIKE A PEDANTIC *IDIOT*) AS THEY GO ALONG. ______ Yo, "Fassel", why not take a WWII history course at a local junior college before you get your 'facts' all twisted and shoot off at the mouth again? (Then maybe you can tell the rest of us how Nazi Germany invaded the rest of northern continental Europe, Scandinavia, and Western Europe, and bombed England for *OIL*!! -- and how Nazi Germany and fascist Japan invaded the Persian Gulf oil countries -- what with Galicia, Romania, the Caucasas, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, etc., and Russia itself being so much closer to Germany, and the East Indies being so much closer to Japan. LOL! And better yet, why not go do your intellectual masturbation somewhere else. Like Ken "Saban backpeddling expert" Pollack, you'd be shredded on the Charlie Rose show by anyone who knew what they were talking about. _______ THE REST OF US SHOULD READ THE ARTICLE, ONLINE: "SORRY NOT THE HARDEST WORD FOR KEN P" --- Charlie didn't ask him anything about *that*.

Aaron  07/25/2008 05:34 PM Report

I agree with the previous comment post on journalistic interview standards regarding political disclosure about the guest. An interview guest's (like Ken Pollack) undisclosed (personal or organizational) political employment, membership, affiliation, orientation (like the indeed heavily pro-Israel and extremely Zionist Haim Saban), ties (like to AIPAC), and sometimes also financial interests (like with Henry Kissinger's undisclosed enterprises), should be made public under journalistic full disclosure standards of the interview, instead of the guest being passed off as some politically neutral "expert" or "analyst". Such journalistic political full disclosure is more revealing and makes for a more informed audience who can, in a more informed manner, evaluate, especially the perspective, details (including significant omissions), slant and nuances of what the guest says. Then in the marketplace of ideas we, the audience, can more accurately judge and weigh for ourselves who's telling more of the critical truth, and why a guest says what they say or don't say.

--- Caught factually flatfooted, so *now* "Roy 'Chalabi-ite' Fassel" *pretends* that he originally said and concluded something that he *didnt* -- AND THEN TRIES TO BE GLIB TO COVER IT UP. ---   07/25/2008 04:03 PM Report

Comment by "Roy Fassel" on Friday, Jul 25 at 08:34 AM: "The Middle East, lest we forget, was controlled by Europeans, not Americans. Much of the problems of today which require _“cleaning up” by America_, are really _European mistakes_ of an earlier time." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________

Comment by "Roy Fassel" on Friday, Jul 25 at 08:34 AM: "To those who do not sign their real name. _(AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S *YOUR* *REAL* NAME?)_ ... Everyone has made mistakes in the Middle East who has ever had anything to do with it. Everyone." (EVERYONE? ISN'T THAT RATHER *HYPERBOLIC*. HOW MANY COUNTRIES ON EARTH HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY, PHYSICALLY, AND MILITARILY INVOLVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST?)_______________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

Comment by --- And you don't think the U.S. has been and *IS* making plenty of *American* mistakes??? --- on Thursday, Jul 24 at 09:54 PM --- (READ ENTIRE COMMENT AT YOUR DISCRETION)

--- ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING: THE LAST REFUGE OF A ZIONIST SCOUNDREL --- WHEN SOMEONE GETS TOO CLOSE TO THE *TRUTH*! ---   07/25/2008 03:44 PM Report

Comment by TABS on Friday, Jul 25 at 06:11 AM: "Some people have been reading "The Protocols of Zion" again."______________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________

*ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING* IS _*NOT*_ AN *INTELLECTUAL* REBUTTAL. ______ IN AN *INTELLECTUAL* REBUTTAL YOU *SPECIFIY* *WHAT* YOU DISAGREE WITH, *WHY* YOU DISAGREE, AND THEN OFFER A *COUNTER-ARGUMENT* -- HOPEFULLY FOLLOWING THE RULES AND *VALIDITY* OF *LOGIC*.

--- ANOTHER CENSORED/DELETED COMMENT! --- AND WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING THAT WASN'T *TRUE* OR VIOLATED ANY STANDARDS OTHER THAN, APPARENTLY, THE INCISIVE *TRUTH*? ---   07/25/2008 03:35 PM Report

_REPOST_: Comment by --- ANOTHER UNDISCLOSED ZIONIST / ISRAEL LOBBY SPIN DOCTOR AND PR FUNCTIONARY --- on Thursday, Jul 24 at 07:01 PM

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WE OFTEN HEAR THIS NAME "THE SABAN CENTER AT THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTE", BUT WHAT REALLY IS THE SABAN CENTER? ______ In 2002, multibillionaire Haim Saban (a Jewish ZIONIST) provided an initial grant of $13 million and a pledge of additional funds to create the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, "a foreign policy think tank" -- I.E., THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK -- based in Washington, D.C.. The Saban Center is part of the larger Brookings Institution "think tank" -- A HIGH-SOUNDING TERM FOR "A PARTISAN POLITICAL ADVOCACY & PUBLIC RELATIONS ORGANIZATION". And there's nothing necessarily wrong with this, AS LONG AS IT'S *DISCLOSED*. The host should disclose the partisan political connections or ask the guest, "Do you have any partisan political connections of which we should be aware?" ______ The Saban Center "aims to provides policy makers in government with information and analysis regarding America's foreign policy in the Middle East". _____ *BUT*, NOT ALL "THINK TANKS" ARE EQUAL IN THE EYES OF THE CORPORATE ESTABLISHMENT, MOST CERTAINLY INCLUDING PBS AND NPR, MEDIA -- YOU WILL RARELY, IF EVER, HEAR FROM A PROGRESSIVE OR LEFTIST THINK TANK. Haim Saban personally recruited Martin Indyk (A *CONSERVATIVE* ZIONIST JEW AND FORMER U.S. GOVT OFFICIAL) to direct the Saban Center. _____ I have to admit that ZIONIST JEWISH MEDIA PUNDITS/"EXPERTS" are very adept at sounding reasonable, knowledgeable, and sophisticated. WELL, I MEAN THEY *KNOW* THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVELY CHALLENGED, IF AT ALL, ON AMERICAN TV/RADIO ON THEIR PRESENT OR PAST, AND THUS THEIR FORGOTTEN, ERRONEOUS/FALACIOUS/EGREGIOUS, POSITIONS. _____ The most sophisticated of them (say, *unlike*, the cruder raving arch-Zionist Alan Dershowitz types -- and how often do you see him on the Charlie Rose show anymore) mix in a certain "honest" truth that appeals to liberals and progressives and even uninformed leftists, WHILE SUBTLY, BUT FIRMLY, INSERTING AND PUTTING *THE ZIONIST/ISRAELI SPIN* ON A FEW WELL-PLACED *CRITICAL* SO-CALLED "FACTS" -- this is *THE MOST EFFECTIVE PROPAGANDA* (especially where you don't *sound* completely one-sided: i.e., like a flaming conservative)! JUST ONE EXAMPLE: THAT ISRAEL GAVE ARAFAT A MOST GENEROUS OFFER IN 2000 (OTHERWISE KNOWN AS "BARAK'S GENEROUS OFFER") THAT ARAFAT REFUSED (ZIONISTS USUALLY SAY "SLAPPED DOWN", to supposedly emphasize 'primitive Arab unreasonableness'). _____ JIMMY CARTER SAID "THE OFFER WAS *SO* MANIFESTLY *UNFAIR* THAT, HAD ARAFAT SIGNED IT, ARAFAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED WITHIN A WEEK!" ______ "Glenn Greenwald (frequently critic of the policies of the Bush admin and those who support or enable it, especially what he sees as the news media's complicity in excusing those policies and echoing admin talking points rather than asking hard questions) has criticized Saban for being an Israeli-American neoconservative who was a 2004 supporter of George (W.) Bush, was a close associate of Ariel Sharon (that "Great Man of Peace", as Bush called him), and spent the 1990s persuading Bill Clinton (with *many* millions of dollars in donations to the Democratic Party) to be more supportive of Israel. _______ Don't know the background or truth of it, but I also came across this on the web: "Kenneth Pollack is some guy who thinks he knows the Middle East. He was implicated in the Larry Franklin (SPYING FOR AIPAC & ISRAEL) spy case." ... Ken Pollack is both a dues-paying member of the American Pundit Party, and was a "certified expert" on non-existent Iraqi WMD's. And in this country, those kind of people are entitled to pontificate on the TV anytime they like. ______ NOW THAT WE HAVE THE INTERNET, WE SHOULD ALL DO OUR HOMEWORK ON THE *UNDISCLOSED* PARTISAN POLITICAL CONNECTIONS AND BACKGROUNDS OF THESE TV/RADIO INTERVIEW SHOW GUESTS, SO THAT AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM, AND BECOME BETTER INFORMED AND MORE INCISIVE LISTENERS, WHEN SUCH GUESTS ARE MERELY PRESENTED AS "EXPERTS". _______ But, just remember, anytime you hear the name Saban Center, hear that as *ZIONIST*: THAT'S WHAT THE SABAN CENTER *EXISTS* FOR.

--- I CAN'T BELIEVE that the commment page monitor DELETED my definition & commentary on Zionism! --- What standards did it violate: TOO MUCH TRUTH? ---   07/25/2008 03:30 PM Report

REPOST: Comment by --- WHAT IS ZIONISM --- on Thursday, Jul 24 at 08:21 PM

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Just in case some of you still don't know what Zionism is and why Palestinians (Muslim, Christian, other faiths, or aetheist) hate it: ______ NATIONALIST ZIONISM is the originally European Jewish settler-colonial religio-ethnic apartheid ideology that claims that only JEWS -- the world over, regardless of age, forever and ever, even if the vast majority of their families had never even stepped foot in or seen Palestine, whether or not they have *ever* faced any oppression, and orginally from whatever country or even continent -- have A NATURAL, AUTOMATIC, *SUPERIOR*, *DIVINE*, *GOD-GIVEN*, *2,000 YEAR AGO*, *FUNDAMENTALIST*, SO-CALLED THEOCRATIC "RIGHT" TO (i.e. A CLAIM OF THE *DIVINE* RIGHT TO RULE) MOST/ALL OF HISTORIC PALESTINE, OVER THE RIGHTS OF THE NATIVE/INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE PALESTINIANS. _____ (The so-called "divine right to rule" was something the declared U.S. went to war against King George and Britain over. But, if it's a right claimed by whites over *non-European* people, then I guess that's okay, huh?) ______ NO COUNTRY OR PEOPLE IN THE *WORLD* -- THE LEAST NOT THE U.S. -- WOULD ACCEPT SUCH AN ABSOLUTLY *RIDICULOUS* "CLAIM" FROM A FOREIGN INVADER POPULATION -- and that's why it could only be imposed upon the Palestinian people at the barrel of a gun. ______ Zionism posits that Jewish suffering has ALWAYS been, everywhere and anywhere, worse than any other suffering [and of course this is historically *false*; it's part of Zionist propaganda\, even those who have suffered at the hands of many Jews themselves (especially in Palestine). _______ The imperialist Western victors of WWII (especially, after the UK, the U.S.) *forced* Zionism down upon the heads and down the throats of the Palestinian people, as a way for *Europeans* to pay for *European* crimes against *European* Jews, instead of *Europeans* paying for *European* crimes against *European* Jews by giving *European* Jews land in *EUROPE*!! ______ Ironically, Arabs/Muslims in Europe and North Africa protected 1,000's of European Jews during the Nazi era (especially in France and North Africa, but also in the Mideast) and spirited many Jews out of Nazi-threatened/occupied France (see online "The Mosques of Paris", written by a French Jew) -- even giving many Jews false identity papers as "Arabs". ______ Now, where everyone except *HYPOCRITICAL* ZIONIST JEWS AND OTHER WHITE EUROPEAN WESTERNERS come from, DISPLACING ONE RACIAL/ETHNIC GROUP -- ESPECIALLY AND NO LESS THAN AT THE POINT OF A GUN -- SO THAT ANOTHER RACIAL/ETHNIC GROUP CAN GO INVADE AND TAKE THE FORMER PEOPLE'S LAND AND PLACE -- AND FROM FAR AWAY CONTINENTS AT THAT -- IS CALLED *** BLATANT RACISM ***. ______ (Furthermore, the very small % of indigenous Jews in Palestine never called for a Zionist state!) ______ As my being an African American who also comes from a people (and millions more) who have suffered for *centuries* at the hands of European Christians, I say that NO AMOUNT OF SUFFERING ENTITLES ONE RACE / ETHNICITY / RELIGIO-ETHNICITY OF PEOPLE TO GO VIOLENTLY TAKE, DISPOSESS, OR BE GIVEN THE LAND OF ANOTHER PEOPLE -- AND A *3RD* PARTY PEOPLE AT THAT -- WHO, CERTAINLY AS A PEOPLE, HAD DONE THE INVADING RACE / ETHNICITY (I.E., JEWS) NO WRONG (BUT IN THIS CASE, FAR FROM EXTERMINATING JEWS, HAD ACTUALLY LIVED IN *PEACE* WITH THE SMALL % OF INDIGENOUS PALESTINIAN JEWS AROUND *THEM*). _____ now, after the fall of Apartheid (at least, on paper, *political* apartheid, but not economic apartheid) in South Africa, ISRAEL -- *IDEOLOGICALLY* CALLING ITSELF "THE JEWISH STATE" -- WHERE STILL, AFTER ALL ISRAEL HAS DONE TO DRIVE PALESTINIANS OUT -- ABOUT *HALF* (FROM, *BEFORE* ZIONIST JEWISH COLONIALISM, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF) THE POPULATION IS *PALESTINIAN* -- IS THE ONLY OFFICIALLY APARTHEID STATE OF ITS KIND LEFT IN THE WORLD!

Roy Fassel  07/25/2008 08:48 AM Report

To those who do not sign their real name and hide behind "long handles".....The current Iraq borders were drawn by Winston Churchill on a map...with a bottle of brandy in his other hand. This is also a European declaration....and had nothing to do with America.....The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour" the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people" on the conditions that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" or "the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." Everyone has made mistakes in the Middle East who has ever had anything to do with it. Everyone. Relax....."Long Handle"...the new Messiah of the Universe will tear down all walls of humanity and the heavens will open to all. He said so this week...so relax.

Roy Fassel  07/25/2008 08:34 AM Report

To those who do not sign their real name and hide behind "long handles".....The current Iraq borders were drawn by Winston Churchill on a map...with a bottle of brandy in his other hand. This is also a European declaration....and had nothing to do with America.....The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour" the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people" on the conditions that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" or "the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." Everyone has made mistakes in the Middle East who has ever had anything to do with it. Everyone. Relax....."Long Handle"...the new Messiah of the Universe will tear down all walls of humanity and the heavens will open to all. He said so this week...so relax.

TABS  07/25/2008 06:11 AM Report

Some people have been reading "The Protocols of Zion" again.

Christopher  07/25/2008 05:03 AM Report

I think oil is the key... Pollack does not address US (Western) support of non democratic regimes in the Middle East because they are afraid of elections (ie Saudi Arabia). The West is afraid that if they allow elections, radicals will be elected (ie Palestine, Egypt). This critical element was overlooked, it is what motivates Western intervention. Do you think NATO will invade Rwanda? There is no oil...

Excellent definition of Zionism below!  07/25/2008 01:33 AM Report

Comment by --- WHAT IS ZIONISM --- on Thursday, Jul 24 at 08:21 PM

--- And you don't think the U.S. has been and *IS* making plenty of *American* mistakes??? ---   07/24/2008 09:54 PM Report

Comment by Roy Fassel on Thursday, Jul 24 at 07:43 PM: "Europe has been fully engaged in the Middle East since oil became an issue many, many decades ago. The Middle East, lest we forget, was controlled by Europeans, not Americans. Much of the problems of today which require “cleaning up” by America, are really European mistakes of an earlier time. America will be fully engaged in Iraq and the Middle East for eternity." _____ CAN YOU SAY, *ISRAEL* (the U.S. following upon the heals of the decades old British debacle to force a European ideologically Jewish state smack in the middle of the Middle East upon the heads of the native/indigenous people), *LEBANON*, *AFGHANISTAN* (and originally *starting/goading* a decade-long war there with the Soviets, which, in a small country to begin with, killed a million Iraqis, severly wounded, crippled and maimed a million Iraqis, and displaced a million more Iraqis, who's American support of fundamentalist fedayeen/mujahedeen guerrillas [remember "Rambo III"?\ eventually led to 9-11!), *IRAQ* -- and back in the '50's overthrowing a *democratic* government in *IRAN* (not to mention in many other countries in the 3rd World)??? The U.S. installing and mightily supporting a mass-murderously brutal dictator like the Shah (who's domestic overthrow led to the Ayatollah), as well as later mightily supporting Saddam Hussein, and U.S. foreign policy against Iran (the U.S. still sore after the Iranians overthrew the Shah) actually works to *keep* the fundamentalists in power (even pro-democratic elements, including women, there say that). And THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF ALL IS IF THE U.S. MILITARILY ATTACKS *IRAN*! _____ And the U.S. didn't invade Iran "to install a democratic government". THE U.S. INVADED IRAQ FOR *ISRAEL* (REMEMBER THE ZIONIST NEOCONS?) AND, AS LONG AS THE U.S. IS THERE, OIL. (See, "A War for Israel", online, by Jewish-American journalist Jeffrey Blankfort.) In fact, THE U.S. HAS SET UP A *HIGHLY SECTARIAN* THEOCRATIC GOVERNMENT AND GEOGRAPHICALLY *DIVIDING* THE COUNTRY! -- THE OLD (NEO)COLONIAL *DIVIDE AND CONQUER* TREATMENT. _____ Talk about trying to do some rewriting of history of your *own*, *Fassel*! You're ignored an awful lot of history Fassel! In your own way, you're as bad as Ken Pollack is (or are you angling for an appearance on Charlie's show?). You should disclose *your* own partisan political membership. Are you a Chalabi-ite?

Roy Fassel  07/24/2008 07:43 PM Report

Pollack is like all the authors trying to sell books. Parsing, deflecting, mis-nuancing, and blowing smoke. To suggest that Obama, Mc Cain and Maliki’s views are all coming together with the same "timeline" is simply not true. This is the current characterization and is a myth by the media who is fully in the tank for Obama. That is outrageously disingenuous. The Bush Administration and McCain are in total agreement with Maliki. The driving force is not any TIMELINE, but CONDITIONS on the ground. Anyone who tries to blur this dramatic difference is not honest. This guy is like all of them. His blabber....... that "I was right, but the Bush Administration execution failed in following up on "my policies" and therefore it is all Bush's fault". The Middle East is not only dominated just by oil. It is also dominated by religion. Europe has been fully engaged in the Middle East since oil became an issue many, many decades ago. The Middle East, lest we forget, was controlled by Europeans, not Americans. Much of the problems of today which require “cleaning up” by America, are really European mistakes of an earlier time. America will be fully engaged in Iraq and the Middle East for eternity. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t understand what the Persian Gulf oil reserves mean for the rest of the world. America, itself, gets a smaller percentage of its imported oil from the Persian Gulf than most of Asia and most of Europe. Again, it is up to America to protect the free flow of oil for the rest of the world. For that, America is despised by many around the globe. Pollack want to talk about American lives lost in Iraq. No mention, ever, of how many people Hussein and his sons slaughtered during their reign in power, and how many more would have been slaughtered in the future. To those who despise Bush for taking out Hussein, I suggest they review H.R. 4655------the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 which declared that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government. This resolution passed the Senate by Unanimous Consent. President Clinton signed it. That was the official US policy since 1998. Trying to rewrite history, and conveniently forget the past is the methodology of the modern media to sway the impressionable and naive. America would have had to go into Iraq sooner or later. Hussein's sons were even more dangerous than the father. That can't be changed.

Linda Mae  07/24/2008 05:00 PM Report

How refreshing to have someone who understands the Middle East telling us what "white bread America" doesn't want to hear. I remember the tenet to understand your "enemy" and the other "to keep your friends close but your enemies closer." Both ideas are ignored or forgotten by many of our Congress men and women. Or they just might be ignorant of the values of the Middle East. Or they just might be so focused on doing anything to embarrass the President that they will sell out our country to prove their point. When I hear Pollack, I realize how little Obama is ready to lead our country in international affairs and how ready McCain is. The recent Obama tour has convinced me more how true it is.

Temel  07/24/2008 04:37 PM Report

I wonder why people like Mr. Pollak who supported Iraq invasion in 2002 blame everything on the Bush Administration's mishandling the postwar planning.

Why Mr Pollack does not say he was wrong on the Iraq invasion..It was a horrible decision. Because of his support for the war, it so far cost us three trillion dollars as much as our total Federal budget in 2007.

We don't need "a noted former CIA intelligence analyst and an expert on Middle East politics and military analysis" like him!

CARDINAL  07/24/2008 03:58 PM Report

There are so many abstract definition on what is a grand strategy. ... Does anyone really know what is a grand strategy? ...

DJ Saad  07/24/2008 03:40 PM Report

I believe that Mr. Pollack's comment regarding the failure of a peace deal between the Palestinians and Israelis in 2000 placing the onus on the Arabs is incorrect. The "offer" was for a "Swiss Cheese State" that no credible leader could or would accept. That the Palestinians are always to blame for a lack of progress in the peace process is trite and tiresome. The saddest part of this is that the truth will never come to light and there will never be peace between the Palestinians and Israelis.

sock puppet  07/24/2008 02:44 PM Report

Preston, agreed.

Preston  07/24/2008 02:11 PM Report

I think I should read this book. He seems like an objective reasonable person, compared to other "experts".

TABS  07/24/2008 04:38 AM Report

The fly in Mr Pollacks ointment is that religious fundlmentalists may get themsleves elected and then replace democracy with a theocracy..... Why is Mr Pollacks memory so short. The Chinese have experienced an empire that encompassed the Middle East and Persia, it was called the Mongol empire. Their experience in the region gives them good pause for venturing there once again.

sock puppet  07/24/2008 01:33 AM Report

The presumptious arrogance inherent in our western values gave us the impetus to charge in to establish our god-given entitlement to oil hegemony. Democracy had zip to do with it. And of course the same arrogance will write the history that will ultimately white-wash the war in the west. The eastern half will have a version that will need reconciliation. Modern communications hopefully will make for a little more accurate history than the pablum we get now.

RE Mant  07/24/2008 12:08 AM Report

Most all of this is commonplace, but behind the economic, etc problems of the Middle East is the inherent animosity of Islam for western "values." Look at the history of India.