Charlie Rose

Paul  08/11/2008 04:48 PM Report

The glossing over of Mandella's use of violence in general and the necklace in particular as legitimate means of social change is a travesty. Charlie, you should be ashamed of yourself.

--- Gandhi on Zionism and historic Palestine ---   08/04/2008 04:45 PM Report

My sympathies are all with the Jews ... But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. THE CRY FOR THE NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWS (in Palestine) DOES NOT MAKE MUCH APPEAL TO ME. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? PALESTINE BELONGS TO THE (Palestinian) ARABS in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. IT IS WRONG AND INHUMAN to impose the Jews on the Arabs. WHAT IS GOING ON IN PALESTINE TODAY (by Zionist Jews) CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED BY ANY MORAL CODE OF CONDUCT. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. --- Mohandas K. Gandhi, November 20, 1938

--- Nelson Mandela on Israel ---   08/04/2008 04:37 PM Report

I have come to join you today to add our own voice to the universal call for Palestinian self-determination and statehood. We would be beneath our own reason for existence as a government and as a nation, if the resolution of the problems of the Middle East did not feature prominently on our agenda. When in 1977, the United Nations passed the resolution inaugurating the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people, it was asserting the recognition that INJUSTICE AND GROSS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS WERE BEING PERPETRATED IN PALESTINE. In the same period, the UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system. But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians … --- Nelson Mandela, Dec. 4, 1997

--- Desmond Tutu on Israel ---   08/04/2008 04:31 PM Report

… the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal (in the U.S.), and to criticize it is to be immediately dubbed anti-Semitic, as if the Palestinians were not Semitic. ... PEOPLE ARE SCARED IN THIS COUNTRY (the U.S.) TO SAY WRONG IS WRONG BECAUSE THE JEWISH LOBBY IS POWERFUL – very powerful. Well, so what? This is God’s world. For goodness sake, this is God’s world! We live in a moral universe. THE APARTHEID GOVERNMENT WAS VERY POWERFUL, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosovic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, BUT IN THE END THEY BIT THE DUST. Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: What is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment. --- Desmond Tutu, April 13, 2002

--- Malcolm X on Zionism and Israel ---   08/04/2008 04:25 PM Report

Did the Zionists have the legal or moral right to invade Arab Palestine, uproot its Arab citizens from their homes and seize all Arab property for themselves just based on the "religious" claim that their forefathers lived there thousands of years ago? Only a thousand years ago the Moors lived in Spain. Would this give the Moors of today the legal and moral right to invade the Iberian Peninsula, drive out its Spanish citizens, and then set up a new Moroccan nation ... where Spain used to be, as the European zionists have done to our Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine? ... In short THE ZIONIST ARGUMENT TO JUSTIFY ISRAEL'S PRESENT OCCUPATION OF ARAB PALESTINE HAS NO INTELLIGENT OR LEGAL BASIS IN HISTORY ... not even in their own religion.

--- Ani DiFranco song - "Self Evident" ---   07/31/2008 06:40 AM Report

ANI DIFRANCO's song, "SELF EVIDENT" about 9-11, and about the corporate mainstream media *IS* available at YouTube.

John  07/29/2008 02:19 PM Report

ANDERSON, FROM BERKELEY, WHY DON'T YOU SIGN YOUR NAME TO YOUR ANTI-SEMITIC TRASH?

--- Are you *kidding*!!??? Or just blowing some more Zionist smoke! Jews are all over the Western world!! ---   07/29/2008 11:14 AM Report

Comment by Richard Levy on Sunday, Jul 27 at 08:08 PM: "They (the Palestinians) also have numerous countries to goto whereas Jews dont." _______ JEWS LIVE ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD!! -- AND ALSO IN PARTS OF AFRICA, SOUTH AMERICA (I know a Latin-American Jew whose native language was *Spanish*), ASIA, AND EVEN PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST (besides greater Israel) AS SOME NON-EUROPEAN JEWS NEVER LEFT CERTAIN COUNTRIES! (Long ago in history, some Jews even went to the Caribbean and some Afro-Caribbean Blacks there, and subsequently in Britain, have part *Jewish* ancestry!) ______ AND SO MANY (OR ENOUGH) JEWS HAVE BEEN EVEN IMMIGRATING TO *GERMANY* (INCLUDING SOME FROM *ISRAEL*) THAT ISRAEL HAS *COMPLAINED* ABOUT IT! ...SO GIVE US A BREAK, LEVY!

Aaron  07/29/2008 04:06 AM Report

Comment by Richard Levy on Sunday, Jul 27 at 08:08 PM: "They also have numerous countries to goto whereas Jews dont." --- _A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ZIONIST RACISM_: 'The Palestinians can just go live somewhere ELSE!' All Arabs are interchangeable, aren't they? It would be like if all of the Mideast's Kurds (spread over at least several countries or in exile, often being oppressed, and having no nation-state of their own) brutally invaded and took over Denmark, massacred and razed villages, terrorized and drove off millions of other Danes, isolated and then told the remaining ones in their Danish enclaves, "Hell, go live with the Germans or the Poles or the French or the British or something: you're all white and European anyway, and you Danes have over 35 other predominantly white countries you can go live in, not just in Europe but all over the world..., in Europe, in North America (where many Danish descendants live already), in South America, in Australia, and even all the way across northern Asia in Russia - and they're all overhwhelmingly Christian countries too! And according to our ideological religious interpretation of Kurdish scriptures and prophets, Allah promised us ethnic supremacy and unquestionable superiority in a far-away safe country exactly like Denmark, where there was, for a certain period of time, once a small ancient kingdom of a Kurdish kind of people with many of our Kurdish religious parallels. So, when we go there to force aside the Danes and take over the place, the Danes can just leave their native land and go live somewhere else." Right?

--- *BEHOLLLD* "The *Chosen* People" !!! ---   07/28/2008 11:38 PM Report

Comment by damion on Monday, Jul 28 at 08:40 PM: "in 1947/48 as many Jews were kicked out of middle eastern countries as Palestinians were kicked out of Israel...are Palestinian more valuable than Jews?" _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ (1) Your first Zionist claim is *GARBAGE" -- unless you want to *CITE A SOURCE* (URL) AND ITS *CHRONOLOGY*!? ______ Besides Israel not only *wanted* that, when sometimes that happened,*later* (in the mid-1950's IN *RESPONSE* TO ISRAEL), but it is well-known to even *Jewish* Mideast historians that *ISRAELI* AGENTS PLANTED *TERRORIST BOMBS* (and it's *NOT* the first time Israel has done that, *posing as Arabs*) and anti-Semitic grafitti in Jewish neighborhoods in some Arab countries (like Morocco) to try to *SCARE* Sephardic/Mizrahi (non-European) Jews into leaving those countries for Israel. BUT SOME Sephardic/Mizrahi *NEVER LEFT*! And some who were scared by *Israel* into going to Israel even later *returned* to their Arab country, like some *Iranian* Jews, who still live there! ______ In fact, during the Nazi era, many Arabs in France and North Africa *SAVED* many European Jews from the Nazis -- see, online, "The Mosques of Paris", written by a former Holocaust refugee and French ANTI-ZIONIST Jew, currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area. Who knew that the state of Israel would later act much like the Nazis too -- complete with *Israel's* 'Nuremburg-style' racial, anti-miscegenation, and land laws -- as Albert Einstein pointed out: "It would be my greatest sadness to see Jews do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews". ______ There are MANY other ANTI-RACIST ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS (though not nearly enough) -- even ANTI-RACIST ANTI-ZIONIST HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS &/or their children/grandchildren -- but they too are often ACTIVELY *INTIMIDATED*, FRIGHTENINGLY *HARASSED*, and ECONOMICALLY or even *PHYSICALLY THREATENED*, and even *commonly* told by RACIST *ZIONIST JEWS* that "Hitler burned the wrong Jews"(!!), and are kept off the mainstream media (like The Charlie Rose Show and the rest of PBS) and out of publishing, BY ZIONIST JEWS AND THEIR ORGANIZATIONS. ...But still, THE MORALLY STRONGEST ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS are *NOT* intimidated by racist Zionist Jews. ________ (2) Colonialist RACIST NATIONALIST ZIONISM is the originally European Jewish settler-colonial religio-ethnic apartheid ideology that claims that ONLY *JEWS* -- the world over, regardless of their age, forever and ever, even if the vast majority of their families had never even stepped foot in or ever saw Palestine, whether or not they have *ever* faced any oppression, and orginally from whatever other country or even continent their families came from -- have A NATURAL, AUTOMATIC, *SUPERIOR*, *DIVINE*, *GOD-GIVEN*, *2,000 YEAR AGO* (because of "God's promise" *5,000* YEARS AGO), *FUNDAMENTALIST*, so-called THEOCRATIC "RIGHT" TO (i.e. A CLAIM OF THE *DIVINE* RIGHT TO RULE!) MOST/ALL OF HISTORIC PALESTINE (then an overwhelmingly indigenous Arab country, with a very tiny % of indigenous Jews who *never* even called for a Zionist state!), **OVER** THE RIGHTS OF THE NATIVE/INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE PALESTINIANS, WHO *LIVED* THERE. ______ NO AMOUNT OF SUFFERING entitles someone to that so-called "right". And *NO ONE* has a "right" to "return" to "their" ancient land, 1,000's of miles away, across oceans/seas, on entirely another continent at that, to go take the place over, from the NATIVE/INDIGENOUS people who *already* live there and *MASS DISPLACE* and *ETHNICALLY CLEANSE* them away! So, it's "The *Chosen* People" who obviously think they're *SUPERIOR* to and *MORE VALUABLE* than the native/indigenous Palestinians who, by definition, already LIVED there. _______ But, RACISM (an arrogant claim to racial/ethnic SUPERIORITY and POWER), BY ITSELF, IS SELDOM STOPPED BY APPEALS TO REASON, INTELLECT AND MORALITY ALONE -- otherwise we could have ended racism long ago. And, unfortunately, nothing, including having been once oppressed themselves, stops many European Jews from being racist too -- especially against non-European people -- and even, historically, against non-European Jews, who are often 2nd class people in Israel; and black Jews, who are often 3rd class people in Israel; the Palestinians are around *4th class* at best! _______ Does that answer your implicitly *RACIST* Zionist question, Damion? I could intellectually and morally DEMOLISH *ANY* of your (implicitly or explicitly) *ZIONIST RACIST* questions/claims, but that wouldn't stop you (or racists like you) from being *RACIST*, now would it?

John  07/28/2008 10:42 PM Report

The Berlin Wall fell in the autumn of 1989. Nelson Mandela was released on 11 February 1990. There was a connection.

just-a-guess  07/28/2008 09:44 PM Report

damion - to your query: "are Palestinian more valuable than Jews?" Based on the kill/murder ratio (over 30:1) the Jews themselves appear to believe so. Good point. Any more?

--- And Israel never misses an opportunity to *DESTROY* an opportunity. ---   07/28/2008 08:43 PM Report

Comment by Richard Levy on Sunday, Jul 27 at 08:08 PM: "PLO and any and all Palestinian groups have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity -- [ISRAEL'S/ZIONISTS' GLIB ANTI-PALESTINIAN PR LINE\ -- to have their own nation." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ The *native/indigenous* Palestinians already *had* their own land and later country, after WWI, until yet another group of Europeans -- this time JEWS instead of Christians -- went off, also TOTING THE BIBLE AND THE *GUN*, to settler-colonize yet another non-European land, often citing ethnic &/or religious oppression back home in Europe but instead oppressing the native/indigenous people of the new land, claiming that *GOD* "chose" and gave them the right to take another people's land, and once again claiming it as "a land without a people" -- EXCEPT FOR, from the view of yet another group of EUROPEAN RACISTS (this time European Jews instead of European Christians, and EUROPEAN JEWS WHO WERE EVEN RACIST AGAINST *NON*-EUROPEAN JEWS!), the millions of *indigenous/native* people in Palestine who didn't count as people to the racist European Jews. Palestinians, whose inherent real crime was not being born Jewish! ______ Malcolm X said that, "COLONIALISM IS THE PERPETRATION THAT TRIES TO MAKE THE *WOLF* LOOK LIKE THE LAMB, AND THE LAMB LOOK LIKE THE WOLF!" ______ The promient journalist Grace Halsell, in her book _Journey to Jerusalem_, reported of riding in a car with a European (maybe even American-born) Zionist Jew in Palestine, as the Jew swept his hand across the view of the landscape, with the Palestinians there, and declared, inexplicably to her, "LOOK AT ALL THIS EMPTY LAND WITH NOBODY HERE!": you know, "the land without a people" (verbal ethnic cleansing)! Now in most places (and what Jews themselves believe anywhere else but in Israel, and certainly when it happens to *Jews* anywhere in the world) when you eliminate or ethnically cleanse away one racial/ethnic group of people for another racial/ethnic group of people, THAT'S CALLED *RACISM*!: IDEOLOGICAL POLITICAL ZIONISM IN PALESTINE, "the Jews' nationalistic right to self-determination" (as Zionists Jews quite euphemisticallly call it) IN A *FOREIGN* LAND WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ALREADY LIVE(!!), IS -- BY DEFINITION -- *RACISM*. ______ The sheer Zionist Jewish *CHUTPAH* -- well, *BEYOND* CHUTZPAH -- of the world's most narcissistically *HYPOCRITICAL* victims ("NO ONE ELSE MATTERS!"): THE ONCE BRUTALLY OPPRESSED HAD BECOME THE NOW BRUTAL OPPRESSORS THEMSELVES -- AND THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HAD THIER *OWN* HOMES TAKEN AWAY SO OFTEN IN HISTORY, COVETING AND RUTHLESSLY OR BRUTALLY STEALING THE HOMES AND LAND OF *OTHERS*!! ______ *Gandhi* called political Zionism in Palestine "A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY" and said that political Zionism in Palestine "COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY ANY MORAL CODE OF CONDUCT". _____ And speaking of *Nelson Mandela*, he said, when he went on his world speaking tour after he was released from prison in South Africa, shouted that, "THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE IS *MY* CAUSE!" *Desmond Tutu* said that, "If you exchanged the name Palestinian with the name black, and exchanged the name Israel with the name South Africa, you wouldn't know the difference from reading about apartheid South Africa". Except that even the apartheid South African military never shelled black cities/towns with tanks, or bombed black cities/towns with fighter aircraft, or shot missiles at Black cities/towns from helicopter gunships! ______ And while the PLO morally and politically supported the ANC (remember when Mandella was declared a "terrorist"?), Israel was busy supporting and arming the Apartheid South African government as Israel's closest material ally -- AND THE ADL (*YES*, THE *ADL*!!) WAS *SPYING* ON ANTI-APARTHEID GROUPS IN THE U.S. FOR THE APARTHEID GOVT IN SOUTH AFRICA!! Both govts were, of course, *RACIST* EUROPEAN SETTLER-COLONIAL APARTHEID STATES, and both govts were *supported* by the European and American powers (Ronald Reagan was, next to Israel, apartheid South Africa's greatest moral supporter) -- until the *people* of the world, finally, morally, politically and economically rose up against one of the apartheid governments and it's BLATANT STATE RACISM (even Western *whites* finally realized that), and now still all-too-slowly against the remaining (Jewish instead of Christian) apartheid state. But there are growing courageous voices of anti-Zionist Jews too -- who believe that just as Jews shouldn't be oppressed by others, Jews shouldn't be *oppressors* of others either. ______ *ISRAEL* NEVER MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO *DESTROY* AN OPPORTUNITY because a Palestinian state was *never* in Israel's self-interest. ______ (Mike Wallace -- Jewish -- of "60 Minutes", in an *old* retrospective show by and about "60 Minutes", called the Palestinian people, "little more than children": that was decades ago when Zionist Jews could openly get away with saying such a thing in the media. Now Palestinians are just all called "anti-Semitic terrorists".) ______ The European Jewish founders of Israel had always stated their political and religious intentions to expand beyond their UN partition immorally given to European Jews in the first place. *European* Jews should have been given land in *Europe* if European gentiles wanted to atone for *European* sins, yet *European* Jews were given over half of Palestine (a *3rd party* people's land). What people or country in the *worrrld* would willingly accept being displaced and their land being taken or summarily given over to an alien population who intended to establish alien political rule and an alien state!? ______ As for Israel's continuing to never miss an opportunity to *destroy* an opportunity, look at what happens everytime Israel demands a cease-fire (first a demand for 1 week, then a demand for 2 weeks, then a demand for 1 month, then a demand for 3 months) -- and then the Palestinians *give* them that!: ISRAEL (including in this last agree-upon truce) JUST GOES AND STARTS KILLING PALESTINIAN LEADERS -- OR EVEN FAMILIES -- AND *KEEPS KILLING* PALESTINIANS -- UNTIL THE PALESTINIANS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO STRIKE BACK WITH CRUDE MISSILES OR MARTYR BOMBERS (TO *SHARE* THE TERROR) -- EVEN IF THE PALESTINIANS KNOW THAT'S WHAT ISRAEL WANTS THEM TO DO -- SO THAT ISRAEL CAN HAVE THE MAINSTREAM (including PBS and NPR, as well as all the TV networks) AMERICAN/EUROPEAN MEDIA PLAY UP THE *JEWISH* "SHOCKING" DEATHS! -- and Jews count on Western *WHITE RACISM* to never ask the Palestinians *why* (or to never believe the Palestinians when they answer). ______ ZIONIST *JEWISH* VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM was and is *necessary*, *inevitable*, *indespensible*, and *natural outcome* to the *inception*, *existence*, *maintenance*, the very *being* and still *expansion* of the state of Israel. ______ But, I *know*, Mr. Levy...: how about a RE-UNIFIED Palestine with ABSOLUTE EQUALITY of human, national, civil and citizenship rights for all its residents, and Palestinians who were brutally forced out, REGARDLESS OF RACE/ETHNICITY OR RELIGION? -- YOU KNOW, WHAT JEWS DEMAND EVERYWHERE ELSE (like in the U.S.)! -- except for those Israeli Jews who don't want to live in equality and peace, and thus can go back, among other places, to their cities and suburbs in America (just not in *my* state).

damion  07/28/2008 08:40 PM Report

in 1947/48 as many Jews were kicked out of middle eastern countries as Palestinians were kicked out of Israel...are Palestinian more valuable than Jews?

Arnold J. Toynbee (quote)  07/28/2008 08:58 AM Report

The distinguished British historian, Arnold J. Toynbee: “The treatment of the Palestinian Arabs in 1947 (and 1948) was as morally indefensible as the slaughter of six million Jews by the Nazis. Though nor comparable in quantity to the crimes of the Nazis, it was comparable in quality.”

Richard Levy  07/27/2008 08:08 PM Report

Addressing the above comment from Mohammed. The ANC was committed to building a nation. PLO and any and all Palestinian groups have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity to have their own nation. They could have had a peaceful sovereign nation years ago. The Palestinians want the destruction of another nation more than a better future for thier people. They also have numerous countries to goto whereas Jews dont. To compare Mandela and Arafat or any juxtaposition of the two movements is insulting to the ANC and Nelson Mandela.

Mohammed Mossadegh  07/24/2008 02:48 PM Report

Mandela viewed the Palestinians as a key ally in the fight against Apartheid. It is my hope that boycotts against Israel will follow the example of boycotts against Apartheid South Africa.

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRZv34-Vac

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sall  07/22/2008 10:15 PM Report

What you say is correct. There still is no justice. Is apartheid really over? Or is it just more refined now? Fifteen years after the "official" end to apartheid, the businesses are still 90% white owned, and there is still affirmative action. A high court just ruled that the Chinese are now labeled "black", seems like the system of White Supreme-acy is the same. I would ask, "What kind of shape are the white South Africans in when compared to the black South Africans?

Keith McLeod  07/21/2008 04:26 PM Report

My daughter Jamie in California was at a rally for Nelson Mandela. He came into the building where officials were waiting to greet him and there was cheering; however, Mandela walked over to the side of the room where the black serving staff were and greeted each one before meeting the dignitaries.

This touch of grace moved all present to tears.

Keith

Margetta E Robinson  07/21/2008 04:06 PM Report

I have just had the opportunity to view your presentation of July 19. It waa so beautiful. I am 73 years old and I hope and pray that our next president is as beautiful as our dear "Nelson" I know that he does not belong to America but he does belong to the human race and he is black like me.

Thank you so much for your program. God Bless you and God Bless America. Margetta E. Robinson

soulfulady  07/21/2008 12:15 AM Report

Happy birthday, Nelson Mandela. What an elegant man you are. Thank God you have lived long enough to receive the worldwide acclaim that is now given to you. You deserve it! You have earned it! You are an outstanding example of a human being. Thank you for paving the way for others to rise to their highest potential as well.

Monica Greene  07/19/2008 11:46 PM Report

A note after watching the 90th birthday tribute to Nelson Mandela on Fri July 18 - the last comment by Charlie Rose in his check list of comments re Mandela was a comment about Charlie Rose as well: that in this world of fear, worry, media hype, and half-truths, Charlie Rose is a beacon of sanity for me. I gain hope for our country and our world every time I watch his interviews because of his ability to look at all sides of a question and not feed into the drivel that passes for understanding an issue. Goodness, authenticity, striving for better communication and understanding among one another is far more important than being right, or powerful, I think. Thank you, Charlie Rose.

bastet1  07/19/2008 09:02 AM Report

While I am not quite sure the purpose of the previous post. I enjoyed this show. I can only say that Mandela's sustainability in the struggle to end apartheid and as a president create an environment in which the path to healing in South Africa could have begun...is remarkable. As a person who studies South Africa, its struggles and advances...I can honestly say that President Mandela has played a huge part in ending the last bastion of sanctioned racism that practically reduced the original inhabitants of such a beautiful and wealthy nation to slavery. It is my hope that beyond Mandela, South Africa is not reduced to neoliberal policies that are fine for contries GINI measurements aren't off the charts. Inequity in SA is tremendous and while there is a democratic government and blacks are now inclusive in this process, the amount of chronically poor and indigent citizens is quite a burden on SA. The results of centuries of forced inequality now casts a shadow on its accomplishments.

I hope that people do not ever forget what Mandela has endured and that many in SA are still enduring injustice.