Charlie Rose

Dr. Murray M. Morgan  07/17/2008 03:54 AM Report

VERY VERY URGENT

July 16, 2008

Servants of people, Servant Speaker Peloci and Servant Chairman John Conyers,

You are there to, on behalf of people to legislate and watch for the interest of people NOT to act as if you are GUARDIAN of people.

It is not up to you to veto the will of the people. It is NOT important that there is or there is not enough vote to convict President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. It is the desire of people to proceed-with/act-on the previous and the current impeachment proposals of Congressman Kucinich; regardless of the number of supporting votes. Impeachment matter is NOT a political issue that you weigh the gains or loss viz à vis the at issue political subject matter. Constitution of the USA allows people to impeach and remove a President who has committed high crimes.

Because, President Bush has set numerous dangerous precedents which are harmful to the Rule By People, it is imperative to impeach him regardless of the number of supporting votes in favor of the conviction. The fact that Congress has proceeded with bringing forward of the subject matter of the impeachment, would remove the implied created power/authority, as a precedence that a future President might desire/want to invoke. Power corrupts. Congress and Senate are there to, as one of the MOST important duties of legislative branch, watch for people so that the President does NOT act like as a King.

It is UNPRECEDENTED for Congress to ignore an impeachment request coming from a legislative body. It would be terrible for Congress to break this long-established precedent. When the Florida legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Swayne, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. When the committee reported it, impeachment was passed. When the Mississippi legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Bruin, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. Shortly later, a new judge was appointed, apparently after Judge Bruin died or resigned.

So, I, Dr. Murray M. Morgan, as the soul of the people/nation, ORDER you to, immediately, bring forward the proposals of Congressman Kucinich to vote and send it to the Senate for the trial. You are, hereby, ordered to refrain from acting as if you are the GUARDIAN of people.

So, I, as the soul of the people, order and urge all the Congressmen, congresswomen to, for the sake of upholding the Constitution/Constitutional RULE OF LAW, support the previously introduced Articles and the Article of Impeachment introduced by Re. Dennis Kucinich on July 10. President Bush deliberately lied to Congress and to the people about the "threat" coming from Iraq because of its so-called arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. He started the to remove Saddam who had dared to put image of his father in the front yard of one of the governmental buildings/of one of the Places in Iraq for the people to walk on (shown in CBS or ABC -- it is funny that nobody talks about it). The President lied and hundreds of thousands of people have died as the result of his vengeance-seeking. The Constitution is the law of the land and not a partisan political issue.

There is danger of starting another act of aggression against the very peaceful nation of Iran. Warmongers/Military Industrial Complex (MIC)/illegitimate desire of Israel are after destroying what Iranians, on their own, have achieved in technological advances/military industry; to keep Iran from joining the developed countries. IAEA through more than 250 thorough/intruding inspections (that we will not tolerate a second of it despite of our annual manufacturing of modern atomic bombs) has concluded that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful. But illegitimate power houses/MIT and the cancerous big corporations that are after exploitation of resources of Iran, want to bombard Iran anyway to keep Iran dependant so that she is forced to buy arms and goods from them at astronomical prices until she, due to no longer having OIL to sell, becomes poor like African countries that are left on their own to fend for themselves. These power house/MIT/Corporations do not want democracy for Iran.

Since when the burden is on the accused? Iran is not making atomic bomb.

Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen,

I, as the soul of the nation, order you, all, to stop bullying Iran. Who has given you the authority to pass resolution to put blockade on Iranian ships in their backyard waterways by our faraway -bully/coercing/extorting-country? You the SERVANTS of us, the people, have no right to order our forces to act as pirates for a spoiled illegitimately-created country, the Israel (that has more than 200 atomic war-heads BUT dares to lecture the peaceful nation of Iran that has a peaceful nuclear program according to the NNPT guidelines) in Persian Gulf. I order you to pass a resolution to pull out all out forces from Persian Gulf and vicinity and bring them back to home and start to make the military very small, to a size that is necessary to defend any attack on our country here in the USA.

Who the hell you think are? Era of colonialism is passed. How dare you decide to dance to the lead of Senator Lieberman to put block Iranian’s ships and dare to inspect their cargo. We have made mocquery of the UNSC. Iran is a peaceful country. I order you to start EARNING your salary by spending your time on the issues that you have authority (according to the Constitution); on the domestic issues. Start dismantling our atomic bombs and pass law to prohibit our country to make new /or upgrade our atomic bombs. That is what you have to spend your time on.

We all, know it very well, that Iran is not, ever, going to make atomic bomb. The "burden of proof" is on the accusers not the accused.

Time and time again, IAEA has concluded that Iran's nuclear program has been peaceful and that they have not found any clue to point to it having had been otherwise; that is, being a weapon-geared program.

IAEA should ask Europe, USA, and Israel to prove their allegation (that Iran has weapon-geared nuclear program) NOT Iran to prove is not making atomic bomb.

It is impossible to prove/show that you do not have something that you have never had it at all? The burden is on those who make the allegations. OR, because we (the blue-blooded, arrogant, savage-beast-bullies) consider ourselves "better than them" (because they are non-Westerners, and thusly/sub-humans with less RIGHTS than us), we want to prevent them from advancing in science and technology; that when they achieve it without our permission, we treat them with "Carrot/Stick" policy!!!. Is it logical to, instead of saying hello to the shopkeeper of a shop (that has something that we want to buy), threat him/her instead? If we treat Iran with respect, they would be more than happy to sell their oil to us with enthusiasm.

We know that, within a millisecond of daring of the use of such policy ("Carrot/Stick" policy) by others, we would respond with: "Shove them both" and would leave the room immediately. How dare you treat people like that? They are not horse or donkey. I am amazed that Iran, despite of our savage treatment of them, has been able to show such admirable degree of patience and restraint towards our insulting attitude of us against them. I, as one of the Citizens of USA, am asking you to, immediately put stop into use of such a stupid "foreign Policy".

We should treat the nations of the world as equals; with respect. Specially, a nation like Iran, that has more than 5000 years of glorious civilization, and contribution to the world in all fields; fields of art and science (physics, chemistry, medicine, astronomy, mathematics, and arts).

A fair-minded person like I, acknowledges that, despite of our rude, arrogant, and bullish behavior of West, Iranians have been more than patient with the ILLEGITIMATE/ and UNJUST, RIGHTS-DENYING demand of West from them.

Shame on you, Mr. President. Shame on Europe and shame on us all.

Mr. President, our past interferences against the toppled democratic governments of Iran, demonstrates how in-genuine our “pro-freedom”/”pro-democracy” claims have been/are.

Mr. "President", Please, do not BS people. Forgot our toppling of Mossadeq and our sabotaging of Iranian's beautiful 1979 revolution which lead to toppling of President Banisadr? Please refrain from making any sort of threat, AND any sort of manipulative pseudo-uprising fabrications against Iran; so that people, who had democracy/freedom (during the three year Prime-ministership of Mossadeq and the two year Presidency of Banisadr), on their own (without any sort of interference from outside), re-establish it again from inside; through peaceful and genuine uprising against their government (that is stolen from them)..

Without regard to the nature of the government, people of Iran tend to wrap around their government when they perceive outside-danger/threat against their country; no matter how brutal and oppressive it is. So please, refrain from making any degree and sort of threats or manipulations against Iran.

Do not pay attention to Mojahedin-e Khalgh or ex-kicked-out blue-blooded pro-Shah individuals who, in order to continue their parasitic way of life, bark and wag their tails to us so that we throw them some money (bone). These kicked out corrupt people, who do not respect any degree of human rights for the people of Iran, are against democracy and freedom for their homeland.

4moremoyers  06/21/2008 01:32 PM Report

Feeling depressed. Needing a wholesome exercise, so advocating here for more Bill Moyers, as an antidote. So please try his book, "Bill Moyers on Democracy." A helluva read. He's been tempered by his own demons that merely add to his merits. A gulp of fresh air before our descent into our collective toilet of venality and governance-by-auction.

Uncle Ron  06/16/2008 10:17 PM Report

If that wasn't a jet that crashed into the Pentagon, please explain how the DNA of all but a couple of passengers was recovered in addition to the black boxes. There is no way one can respond to you except to say that gullible people are never in short supply.

Beecham  06/16/2008 03:03 AM Report

Uncle Ron, the 9/11 Truth Movement is not idiocy and Popular Mechanics hasn't proven anything. If you are really interested in learning something and not making ignorant statements I would recommend the work of Peter Dale Scott, who, by the way, would make a great guest on this show.

Uncle Ron  05/21/2008 02:13 AM Report

Bill Moyers is not a journalist. He is an "agenda driven" commentator. "NOW" (and Moyers new show) was and still is a leftist oriented viewpoint program which is fine but don't call it journalism. The Rev. Wright interview is just another confirmation of this. Anyone who doesn't think the Reverend is just a little goofy apparently believes the "9/11 Truther" type idiocy which has been proven by "Popular Mechanics/Science" Magazine, the History Channel and other science based groups to be rubbish. To believe the U.S. government created aids is pure nonsense.

As for Rev. Wright, I'll just say that my father was a United Methodist minister for 41 years, left a rather small inheritance, lived in parsonages his whole life some of which were pretty old and some nice decent basic tract homes. As for a 10,000 S.F. mansion in an exclusive enclave, a huge line of credit and the one or is it two(?) Mercedes(?) the Rev. Wright has - well, I've never seen any legitimate church provide that type of lifestyle to its ministers. Any church I've known about would have used that type of income to assist the poor and needy in their own congregation, city or beyond.

Steve Cone  05/16/2008 03:03 PM Report

A wonderful show. You and Mr. Moyer work very well together. I look forward to getting the transcript.

SavvySara  05/14/2008 06:27 PM Report

Wow! For a moment, I thought I fell into the wrong blog! Great interview with Moyers, Charlie. Moyers remains the epitome of ethical journalism.

SavvySara  05/14/2008 06:27 PM Report

Wow! For a moment, I thought I fell into the wrong blog! Great interview with Moyers, Charlie. Moyers remains the epitome of ethical journalism.

YT  05/13/2008 04:18 PM Report

Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS.

Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting.

VIDEO: Attorney interviewed by Joe Scarborough of MSNBC. Bayer corp and the FDA conspired to distribute a drug called "factorate", a hemophiliac drug tainted with the aids virus to Japan, Spain and France in the early 80s. coincidently this is when we first started to hear about this virus. Bayer corp. FULLY ADMITTED IN COURT TO KNOWING THIS DRUG WAS TAINTED WITH THE AIDS VIRUS AND

mjm  05/13/2008 04:06 PM Report

WELL, THAT WAS NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SANDRA. I THINK YOU REALLY JUST NEED TO BREAK DOWN AND READ THE INFO. ON THIS WEBSITE: www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm

DOES THE "SCIENCE SERIES" TALK ABOUT THE THE THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF INFO. POINTING TO AIDS AS BEING MAN-MADE? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR TREATMENT PLANS FOR- OR SYMPTOMS OF AIDS. I AM LOOKING FOR MORE EXPOSURE TO THE FACTS OF AIDS BEING MAN-MADE. WHY DID YOU NOT GET THIS FROM MY COMMENT? WHY DID YOU POINT ME TO A PFIZER COMMERCIAL? THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT. READ THE WEBSITE ABOVE, AND YOU WILL SEE WHERE I'M COMMING FROM. WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMMING FROM. THE SAME PLACE THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN COMMING IN REGARD TO AIDS SINCE IT STRUCK- PREVENTION, TREATMENT, SYMPTOMS. GOT IT. NOW LETS EXPOSE THOSE WHO CREATED THE VIRUS, AND THOS WHO ADMINISTERED IT.

MJM TO SANDRA  05/13/2008 03:28 PM Report

come on sandra: the charlie rose "science series" is a pharmecuetical commercial funded by pfizer. it is not a debate on the origins of AIDS. look, you may not want to hear it. or you may be sticking up for your little charlie, but wake up! the reason why charlie will not touch the subject is because the people that fund his shows will pull thier funding. look up Dr. Alan Cantwell. his book "Queer Blood." it ties together all of the facts surrounding AIDS. it's origins, and how it was delivered to africans and white gay men.

this is not a perfect world, sandra. no one is perfect. and you would be amazed at how crazy it gets. as they say, "the truth is stranger than fiction."

ben  05/12/2008 09:56 PM Report

Mosey should go for President. and change this Company (1871)called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA back to the united states of America. and the constitution of the... to the constitution for the...

chief  05/12/2008 09:52 PM Report

mosey spanked charlie good. Sorry Charlie...you shoulda tryed harder to remain impartial. you know jeramiah matters as much today as yesterdays forecast.

chief  05/12/2008 09:51 PM Report

mosey spanked charlie good. Sorry Charlie...you shoulda tryed harder to remain impartial. you know jeramiah matters as much today as yesterdays forecast.

sd  05/12/2008 03:14 PM Report

Bizarre to hear Obama being called an "elitist" in any context. Isn't McCain, thanks to his current marriage, his status and wealth, his narrow, ridiculous viewpoint, really part of an elite that includes the Bushes, the Cheneys etc. What, are these guys blue-collar, salt of the earth dudes? Or do Americans still buy wholesale the nonsense spewed by the right wing. What a collective hallucination you Americans are suffering. Strange to the outside world; and hard to make heads or tails of it. Also, to hear some folks still blabbing on and on about Rev. Wright demonstrates that America is simply NOT READY TO ELECT A BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT. Full stop. I mean, give me a break. is Wright any worse than those preposterous evangelists, with their wet dreams of an apocalypse and their creationist absurdities? Hasn't McCain been endorsed by one of these clowns? Anyone with right wing leanings should remain silent for at least a generation, though it'll take more than a generation to repair the mess they have created.

AB  05/12/2008 01:45 AM Report

Re: Comment by RR on Saturday, May 10 at 03:30 PM:

Moyers interviewed Rev. Wright before Wright railed at Obama. This hardly discredits Moyers for being the only TV journalist to interview Wright, instead of making comments about him. RR needs to examine the program more carefully, instead of casting insults against Moyers, a typical right-wing extremist tactic.

RR  05/10/2008 03:30 PM Report

A couple of weeks ago, Charlie Rose devoted an entire episode to discussing Rev. Wright, so how is Rev. Wright "irrelevant to actual discussion"?

BTW, I loved the part of this interview when Moyers rants about "wink wink journalism" then Rose pulls out "this is the same criticism some have leveled at you because of Jeremiah Wright." Thank you Charlie! Someone had to knock some sense into that self-righteous editorialist.

Kamau  05/10/2008 11:31 AM Report

RR: Rev. Wright will never be on Charlie Rose because Wright is irrelevant to actual discussion.

RR  05/10/2008 11:12 AM Report

Thank you, Charlie Rose! Thank you for confronting Moyers on the pass he gave Wright. I've always been a Charlie Rose fan but this interview just multiplied by respect for Rose.

Rev. Wright will never appear on Charlie Rose because Wright knows that Rose will actually ask some tough questions.

Iqbal Faizer  05/10/2008 03:42 AM Report

I do agree with Ray that you should have Rev. Wright on your show; he's been wrongly slandered and misrepresented as automatically hateful due to the convenient buzzword "controversial". I insist you show the same respect for him you do President Bush, however. And please have an open mind. I'm sorry to say this, but I often find you've been exposed to all the right information from Middle Eastern and progressive folks only to revert to the nationalistic conservatism of CNN; it's very upsetting and frustrating when you keep assuming the conventional wisdom of the mainstream media, highly influenced by nationalistic jingoism, short-sightedness, and rightist Zionism.

Rev. Wright is a hero to me and deserves a far greater fate than as some footnote of an unproved and rather hypocritical and cowardly presidential candidate like Obama, even if he is the best of the lot.

In any case, thanks for interviewing Bill Moyers. I love his show, his attempt to understand any issue or guest with the long view of history. I enjoyed listening to him for the hour! A real treat.

Bob  05/10/2008 02:37 AM Report

Thank you Bill Moyers for your insight and committment to investigative journalism. I wish you voice was heard more loudly and by more people because 99% of what passes for journalism in the air waves is nothing more than jingoistic patriotism, pandering, and mindless drivel. Keep motivating the new generation of journalists in your ways.

Jo Kurtz  05/10/2008 02:17 AM Report

No use for the MSM when PBS can deliver.

As far as the lobbyists? What is disturbing is that 195 ex-Congressmen have gone into the lobby business since 2005? Why so many? And the Congressmen are using their leftover campaign funds to donate to former colleagues. I'm not sure that the bottom line is part of the Constitution.

The system is broke.

TABS  05/10/2008 02:11 AM Report

In Obama's case the word "elite" means, WILD EYED SOCIALIST WHO HAS LIVED IN AN IVORY TOWER ALL HIS LIFE AND HAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED A GDMED THING OF CONSEQUENCE.

Ellen Taylor  05/10/2008 01:24 AM Report

Loved the interview with Bill Moyers! How about a future interview with both Bill Moyers and Jim Lehrer at the table? My three most respected journalists...!

RE Mant  05/10/2008 12:02 AM Report

Nothing much to quibble about here, however not only Obama but both Clinton and Bush the Younger leapt over the establishment or at least leapt over the generation that came of age in the '50s to which McCain belongs. We have never had a president from that cohort. I do think in passing that McCain revealed his weakness in economics by listening uncritically to whomever among his advisors proposed the gas tax deal. I think if he wants to win he will have to change his tune and listen to ppl like Paul Volcker. Volcker, btw, may be a virtuous man according to the definition used by Aristotle in the Nichomachean Ethics, but that isn't what he said on this program, which was that McCain was a man of virtue because he was honest and believed in the common good, to which Aristotle, himself, eventually comes around. In a democracy voting for a president is viewed as an act of condescension by the ppl rather than the other way 'round. It makes them feel important. It is therefore unlikely that they will submit to be led by him unless they are pandered to as FDR and LBJ did so well, and as a result came up short on important social measures. But in a republic all are expected to govern themselves according to truth, or at least to some honest and rational approach to it. Defining liberalism is difficult, but traditionally it means free-trade, etc., the opposite of govt involvement, and is the opposite of republicanism. Although some ppl have tried to argue otherwise, democracy is the same as economic and religious liberalism. Both are based on selfishness, and neither has anything necessarily to do with the common good, unless ppl recognize their self-interest there, at which point it ceases to be self-interest. Bill has said that LBJ bemoaned Vietnam before, but it is at odds with what Goodwin reported, which seems an awful lot to me like the current president's attitude. Also the first time I've ever heard a man suggest that a 54 yr marriage made for a very interesting life ;-)

Basil  05/10/2008 12:01 AM Report

Mr. Moyers claimed that he ran out of time before he had a chance to ask Rev. Wright the hard news questions. I didn't realize his program was live and limited in minutes. Or is this just an excuse?

Larry H. Flaten  05/09/2008 11:35 PM Report

Thank you so very much for the Moyers interview. This man is a saint, he can relate to the grass roots of our country. I admire his courage, his understanding,his ability to connect with the real America that has no voice.

vale  05/09/2008 10:46 PM Report

I think Charlie asked the right questions and showed objectivity. I think that Bill Moyers gave the right answers. I suppose they have some allegiance to JFK legacy. However the Clintons are also long time admirers of JFK. Personally and for many JFK admirers, to compare Obama to JFK is a travesty and a sacrilege. Obama has injected racism and his affiliation to a racist pastor, and his attempts to destroy his opponents by race baiting is certainly not changing anything or giving hope to anyone. The extraordinary life of JFK before he became president speaks for itself, as does Obama's sordid associations and limited resume. Apparently they are both going with intuition, feeling and emotion and bending over backwards not to see that Obama canont hold a candle to Clinton. It is really sad to see that Obama can bamboozle two such great journalists. However I think that this interview was good, even though they are dragging JFK's name through what will prove to be the mud, and even though they are going with a roll of dice.

MotherLodeBeth  05/09/2008 10:40 PM Report

McCain as others have noted didnt have Hagee whom I so dislike as a spiritual advisor and didnt seek out his support. But I still would like to see McCain challenged more on his slide to the far right from his straight talk express of 2000. Now I do watch Moyers PBS show and like it most of the time. When I don't I simply remind myself that no one is perfect. Aside from Moyers, Charlie, CSPAN and even Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, there isn't much intelligent dialogue on tv. And as a conservative, there are none I can find.

cindy  05/09/2008 09:47 PM Report

I watched the original interview Bill Moyers did with the Rev. Wright. I thought that the sermon, the excerpts of which brought about so much controversy, was absolutely brilliant, insofar as it asks us to wake up to certain realities going on in the world around us. Yes, of course, the 15 second blip standing alone, is tremendously inflammatory and seemingly damaging to Mr.Obama's campaign.

Could it possibly mean that we are to ask for a government which returns to the founding fathers ideal of the separation of church and state, and yet live our individual lives with a greater sense of responsibility, both individually and collectively as a nation?

How counterintuitive on the part of both...whether consciously or not.

Thank you Mr.Rose and Mr.Moyers for one more brilliant interview. You are each so very gifted and inspiring.

Miss Bossy Boots  05/09/2008 09:46 PM Report

Ms Borg - I was unaware that people from your state did not own dictionaries. Go to www.dictionary.com and look up the word "elite" and then the word "elitist". You clearly have no idea how Mr Moyers and Senator Clinton would use the terms since you dont know what they mean.

Barrie O. Ward  05/09/2008 09:27 PM Report

"Just because you saw it, heard it and read it --- It does not necessarily make it so"

Bill Moyers and Charlie Rose gave us all an example of what intelligent discourse is possible on the airwaves ... What is so unfortunate is that so few will have seen this or in many cases the level of education obtained by the citizenry is so low that many are incapable of absorbing and evaluating what they were saying ...

"Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to, convinced that on their good sense we may rely with the most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.

Thank you Charlie ... and Thank you Bill ... You are both doing the heroic when you discuss matters so forthrightly ...

Rosalyn Borg  05/09/2008 08:34 PM Report

There is something so reassuring listening to old friends having one of those wonderful conversations that flow between friends: Moyers on Charlie Rose. What disturbed me, though, in the discussion about Sen. Obama, was the glossing over of the word "elite" as applied to the senator. I'm from Oklahoma, I grew up in the age of segregation; I have a college degree, I'm in the "older women"category courted by Sen. Clinton. I know, as does Charlie Rose and Bill Moyers, that the word "elite" as used by Sen. Clinton to describe Sen. Obama is a nasty, racial code word for "uppity Black." Sorry, to say it out loud, but it's true, and you two guys, from Texas and North Carolina, took a pass. Where was your backbone?

I Love Bill Moyers!  05/09/2008 08:11 PM Report

I am totally with him about the corporate media being totally directed by the corporate mother ships. Many thanks to him for being one of the few voices of reason and courage. I do have a question though - if in his eyes Obama cannot fight the status quo either, than what good is it that he is a great speaker who attracts people? Is winiing a nomination really so meaningless - if/when he actually does?

Allan Ramesh  05/09/2008 07:49 PM Report

Regarding the Jeremiah Wright issue, as a person of color in the United States, I am very frustrated that the American public has so vilified Rev Wright, while the hatred spewed from the mouths of the likes of John Hagee is accepted as normal and even embraced. How can this be? Politicians who are congregation member of a Hagee and other right wing white preachers risk no condemnation. Indeed, our political leaders like President Bush and Senator McCain seek the support of these right wing Armageddon preachers. They preach of using nukes against Iran, they teach hatred of all types, the talk of fantastical end-of-the-world scenarios. In other words, they are total nut-cases.

Letâ??s be honest, there is only one reason that Rev Wright is being condemned while Hagee is not. The reason is color. We are still fearful of the angry black man with a cause. So poor Obama has to pussy-foot around Rev Wrightâ??s very reasonable assertion that we will reap what we sow when it comes to spreading war around the world. Another radical said that we reap what we sow and he too was crucified.

deborah conner  05/09/2008 07:15 PM Report

Also wanted to say -- the problem, Charlie, with the press policing itself is that most of it is owned by the corporations. The 4th estate is now little more than a handmaid.

deborah conner  05/09/2008 07:13 PM Report

This is what was lost in the static from Charlie Rose's interview with Bill Moyers last night. It begins at 42:26 on the <a href="http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/5/8/1/a-conversation-with-bill-moyers#comment">video</a> as they're speaking about Republicans and the endorsement of religious leaders. Moyers mentions the free ride the press gave McCain on Hagee and his delusional theology and goes on to tell us <span style="font-style: italic;">Hagee didn't go to McCain, McCain went to Hagee for endorsement.</span> Now that puts things in a whole new focus, a place McCain can't wriggle away from.

So Google "McCain courted Hagee."

Read. For instance --

<h3 class="entry-header"></h3><blockquote><h3 class="entry-header">McCain Courted extremist Hagee for at least a year</h3> <div class="entry-content"> <div class="entry-body"> <p>Frederick Clarkson highlights <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/95142/7678/589/466232">the fact</a> that Senator John McCain courted the endorsement of anti-catholic and anti-semitic preacher John Hagee for at least a year. John Hagee is also what I call an eschatophile: he's obsessed with eschatology, frequently holding forth about the "<a href="http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/2006/10/end_times.html">End Times</a>" according to interpretations that no doubt 50 years from now (probably just 10 or 20 years from now) are going to appear ridiculous.</p> </div> </div> <p class="entry-footer-info"> <span class="post-footers">February 29, 2008 in <a href="http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/electoral_politics_campaigns/index.html">Politics</a> </span> <span class="separator">|</span> <a class="permalink" href="http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/2008/02/mccain-courted.html">Permalink</a> </p></blockquote>

Sandra  05/09/2008 06:28 PM Report

Excellent interview... wish the iTunes versions were cheaper but at least they are here.

For mjm the answer to your assertion about them not getting into the debate about the supposed origin of AIDS, please see The Charlie Rose Science Series (up in the right corner of this page) Episode 7: HIV / AIDS... with real, respected references, not snake oil sellers.

Skip  05/09/2008 05:12 PM Report

One of your better Interviews Charlie! Bill Moyers is a National Treasure and thankfully you kept quiet and let him speak. A welcome change. But your obvious anxiety about race and your acceptance of the bulls..t generated by the media about the Rev. Wright is disappointing. Give it a rest! Or get some therapy. Blacks are still treated badly in this Country and you white Southern boys are having a hard time getting your minds around the possibility of a black President ... even though he is a man of intelligence, sound judgement, learning and character.

Carol J  05/09/2008 05:10 PM Report

Last night there was a viewing problem and my PBS station said it was technical difficulties. I was able to watch about 45 minutes today, before I had to leave, and there was no technical problems. The show apparently aired in its' entirety.

John Gelles  05/09/2008 04:52 PM Report

Rose and Moyers were at a loss for words-- beyond Moyers' conclusion that: Too many, who make up the power structure, benefit from our FAILURE to make the democracy we have grow into the economic democracy we crave.

The late Ralph McGill's term. "power structure" serves to point to the "power and wealth" structure that Rose and Moyers are part (they are the good-guys part), but the structure is full of short-sighted bad guys.

Rose and Moyers appeared to favor free college or at least affordable college for all who love it.

I wish they had addressed education from pre-school to life-long learning. They might have mentioned we need such an emphasis to invite ALL workers to insist on a fair MINIMUM standard of living.

We should not focus on our top performers (whom we often admire and/or envy) but should focus on all our voters and people.

Economic democracy is what we want--one that will obey environmental imperatives and not be overly attracted to avoidable economic risk.

This requires that we switch from taxes to offered private savings (via an offer very hard to refuse) as the way we prevent hyperinflation.

If we lived under a nearly taxless system, we could fund FDR's package of economic rights to do all that Rose and Moyers have as goals in mind.

Yet Rose and Moyers are always accepting the system we have that creates the results they rightly point our are unfair and unwise.

Sam Saqfalhait  05/09/2008 04:33 PM Report

History as being made in the US right now (and in the foreseeable future) is likely to judge George Bush favorably simply because the same people who give us our politics are the ones who give us our History. Just consider how the smallest of brains and biggest of screw-upâ??s ever, Harry Truman, is being portrayed. People who feel they can seize the prerogative to make history will have no qualms about making up history as they go along. When history finally breaks free from their hands, however (perhaps in a dozen centuries time) they will be assigned their rightful place in history. But, it will be very late by then to do anyone any good.

Edward  05/09/2008 03:15 PM Report

What the world needs now is moyrrose. The only shortcoming to the dialogue is that it wasn't required viewing aired by every network - as if it would be accepted & understood. The only exposure of this information for most US viewers is clips that enhance the aristocracy. So, dear brothers and sisters, give the Rev. Wright a rest - beautiful humanitarian making mistakes. Since canidate Senator Obama is leading the vote count, we need him elected. That's the start of solutions - the saying goes: You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

deborah conner  05/09/2008 02:25 PM Report

I noted too the hagee static.

Also, when I cut and pasted Paul's comments into my blog, I saw a notice that I had reported abuse. I didn't, certainly didn't mean to.

The video isn't out yet on Rose's website, but yes, it happened here too. Wonder what he said. Act of Yahweh, the static? Problem is, people have more of a problem with our fear of possible tampering than they do with <a href="http://www.jewsonfirst.org/07c/cufi_lobby07.html">Hagee's vision</a>, the world wide political and personal support of it (see links below) -- and most of all -- McCain's honoring his endorsement.

comment from rose website:

<b>Comment by Paul Buerkle on Friday, May 9 at 10:41 AM</b>

<blockquote> I look forward to seeing the Moyers interview here. Our local PBS (WHYY) has what appears to be someone's attempt at censorship. Moyers spoke about Rev. Hagee, and had just uttered the words "delusional theology" when the sound cut out, and picture went blank. After 3 minutes, it returned, when the subject had changed. Could be just a technical problem, but the timing was such as to raise suspicion, especially as the rest of the program had no problems.</blockquote>

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more background on Hagee:

<a href="http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/31/8843/09165">http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/ 31/8843/09165</a>

<a href="http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/30/10554/198">http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11 /30/10554/198</a>

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re the moon's favors

Rev. Dave Lefurgey  05/09/2008 02:06 PM Report

Dear Charlie:

You and Bill Moyers just don't get it. You sit there and skewer The Rev. Jeremiah Wright for speaking the truth about America because from your wealthy, privileged position--you have both arrived and don't have to worry about the mortgage--and you just don't see the double standard that you represent. As the show moves on, you reminisce about Bill Moyer's perspective on the Viet Nam war years ago that challenged the country and that is alright. What has The Rev. Jeremiah Wright said that is untrue? Both Rose and Moyers are the prime example of two privileged white boys sitting there saying, Isn't the emperor dressed lovely today." The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is telling this country what is wrong. Wake up!

mjm  05/09/2008 02:06 PM Report

i thought charlie rose was progressive. with out one word of explanation, him and bill moyers totally shot down rev. wright's claim that our government CREATED THE AIDS VIRUS. do you, charlie, surf the web? just type in the words "aids man made?" you will find hundreds of pages of text, books written by doctors, and legal documents- all pointing to the facts that aids was man made and delivered. anyone interested in looking into the mouth of the beast? here's just one link: www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm

i think chalie needs to devote an hour to this topic. this has been hidden for too long...

Fan of the show  05/09/2008 01:53 PM Report

I enjoy show and I especially enjoyed seeing your interview with Mr. Moyers last night. He appears to be one of the few sincere and critical voices of reason left in journalism today. I was disappointed, however, when you tried to draw a comparison between the bias that Mr. Moyer's believes may rule commercial media with that of his own when interviewing the Rev. Wright. The corporations that own most of the media outlets have huge financial and political investments in the way the news is presented on certain subjects and can hardly be equated with the personal or emotional 'investment' that Mr. Moyers may have.

Joan   05/09/2008 01:08 PM Report

I wish Charlie Rose would stay away from the race issue - whether it is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman or Spike Lee-. He is so often not helpful and moreover incorrect because of his own apparent internal conflict with the issue. I believe Mr. Rose should go through a sincere cleansing so he can offer insights that move us ahead as oppose to having reactions that lead us nowhere. Rose is trying got be "friends" but he slips up when he says crazy things like "you people", demonstrates his authority with Black people by pointing out he has been in a church (my best friend is...), cringes at the idea that Melissa Harris Lacewell had it right about the race issue per the Clintons or gives short shrift to the history and psychic pain and suffering remaining form the Tuskegee experiments. Did the US bring AIDS to the Black community, I hope not. But there are so many other things Black peole have had to suffer with from government sanctioned servitude, Black Codes, Katrina, Rodney King, and Sean Bell â?? wellâ?¦ Charlie please leave us alone, you are not good at this and you are falling into the trap of believing that because you are White you are Right.

John  05/09/2008 12:03 PM Report

I was waiting for Bill Moyers to use the phrase "Mistakes were made" to describe Viet Nam but he didn't.

But then Moyers knows that the passive voice used in such circumstances is designed to blunt the point of self-criticism and blame.

It is interesting to see the numb-knobs use it all the time these days.

Moyers has it right - it is only money that counts in the media and D.C. People know it for what it is though - which is why you will see the media complain every so often that they are losing viewership. They will blame things like the internet, but if they really provided valuable information, neither the internet nor anything else would draw their audience away.

"The American People" are are prey - and preyed upon - by moneyed interests helped by self-serving politicians.

Want to get rich? Get elected (by any means possible).

Paul Buerkle  05/09/2008 10:41 AM Report

I look forward to seeing the Moyers interview here. Our local PBS (WHYY)

has what appears to be someone's attempt at censorship. Moyers spoke about Rev. Hagee, and had just uttered the words "delusional theology" when the sound cut out, and picture went blank. After 3 minutes, it returned, when the subject had changed. Could be just a technical problem, but the timing was

such as to raise suspicion,

especially as the rest of the program had no problems.