Charlie Rose

DIKI  07/23/2008 04:03 AM Report

Long live His holiness the Dalai Lama and long live his words and constant acts of compassion, peace, truth and objectivity. No body in this world can and will replace a man like him! No body in this can world can give birth to a true Tibetan freedom fighter like him who has got patience, as well as intelligence and of course diligence.. I, like many Tibetans and the citizens of this world is indebted eternally to him. His holiness is my spiritual guru as well as my model of peace,justice and non-violent Tibetan struggle. I will work hard to follow him as his words have substance and objectivity. I will remember always why tibetan issue has received substantial international sympathy and I will promote and work for peaceful tibetan movement, despite being provoked constantly by circumstances, and will seek for justice and dignity in Tibet through effective autonomy as that's the only path we have and we must, I believe. Under all the international circumstances, I don't see any other viable and sustainable alternative other than non violent movement for a stronger autonomy in Tibet and dialogue between Chinese and Tibetans! I repeat, this is not His holiness, this is my words and my objective out of pragmatism, in Tibetan struggle!Bhod gyalo!

Lineageholder  07/11/2008 05:21 AM Report

Dear Charlie Rose, thank you for this discussion. How can the Dalai Lama hope to stop suffering of his people if he is inflicting harm on them as well? To get freedom you have to give freedom, but the Dalai Lama is giving no freedom to Dorje Shugden practitioners in India. This 'man of peace' is denying them food, shelter, education and travel visas for worshipping a Buddha traditionally revered by millions for four hundred years. His own Teachers practised it too, but he says they are "wrong". So much for the love, compassion and religious tolerance he preaches everywhere!

http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/

http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.org/

If the Dalai Lama gives religious freedom he may, in time, experience freedom for his people, otherwise it probably isn't possible.

zhaoeu  06/21/2008 11:32 PM Report

"Consent manufacturing" in making ! Good job in portraying a one-sided, biased view of Tibetan history and what the protests were about.

The truth, in the eyes of 1.4 Billion Chinese people both inside China and overseas, inclusing those live in the west, is that the protests are about the Dalai Lama people trying to take advantage of the upcoming Olypmics to draw attention to their unjust separatism cause. They are doomed to fail.

Read ths following article for more understanding on the Dalai Lama.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/29/downwiththedalailama

Michael  06/09/2008 09:12 AM Report

Robert Thurman Professor at Columbia University claims that there were no Chinese living in Tibet before 1950. I thought Princess Wencheng who was from the Tang Court in China married Songtsän Gampo (founder of the Tibetian Empire).

It states in Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Wencheng

that she even had a hand to bring Buddhism to Tibet.

He is an expert?

Orville Schell says he thinks this is how China sees it. ?????? Can I take him seriously after making this statement? He isn't even Chinese. So what if he works at the Asia Society! If I worked at an airport does that make me an airplane?

The Dali Lama (which is a term given by the Chinese) claims that the Chinese have no experience with Tibet? Lack of knowledge?

President Hu Jintao spent most of his adult life

as the Party Chief of the Tibet Autonomous Region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao

It was also the Chinese that made the term "Dali Lama"!

I had a lot of respect for the Dali Lama before tonight, but the more I research this the more I'm convinced there is something fishy going on.

I can answer what this is all about. Its about slandering the Beijing Olympics. Do you think the timing is a coincidence?

I found this book.

http://www.amazon.com/CIAs-Secret-War-Tibet/dp/0700611592

What is that? Is this a continuation of the Cold War? We were involved in Cuba. Remember the overthrow of the Shah with the British for Oil?

Read this:

http://www.workers.org/2008/world/anti-china_olympics_0403/

This is only one night of research. I suggest you look into it yourself and draw your own conclusions.

When the Spanish American War happened we didn't really have conclusive evidence to go to war with Spain. We never proved the USS Maine was blown up by Spain. But we sure wanted Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines for US interest. The media got the public mad "Yellow Journalism" and then the US government had reason to go to war. Are we being manipulated?

I also learned that some of the videos that show Chinese crackdowns are from Nepalese police. You should see what they did to Tibetian protesters in NY.

mary  06/07/2008 09:55 PM Report

Some of the comments are as interesting as the discussion... Maps reflect the mapmakers - long acknowledged - i wouldn't get to caught up in that thot. Tibetans have considered themselves separate and that makes the distinction -- also, known differences in language, culture etc - support that as well. There were, in past, relationships with China -- good/bad. Anyway -- great show -- thanks!

Li Bingxian  04/28/2008 03:13 AM Report

Tibet is only a place in China! Other country should not bother China's own business! Thanks, guys!

Allen Yu  04/26/2008 02:51 AM Report

Piece of junk...

Mic  04/24/2008 07:44 PM Report

two many people with different opinions...let it be, calm down.....

Jack Mason  04/21/2008 11:28 PM Report

This program is brainwash in the making. Mr. Rose, decence matters!

http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2008/03/xizang-tibet-was-not-part-of-china.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY

Has anyone told you before there was an "Opium War"?

Has any your text book tells people after 'opium war" UK invaded chinese tibet twice and try to create the so called "Independant Tibet"?

Truth is: There is no Lion in tibet snow mountain; That is on UK royal flag!

It is a shame try to use religion, ethnicity, human rights as a cover to process the same old dream.

Wake up to the reality! This is the New China!

Jordan  04/20/2008 11:44 PM Report

The name Dalai Lama was given by most famous Mongolian king Genghis Khan. Dalai lama means the ocean of wisdom. And Dalai lama truely deserves this name. Mongolia is Mongolia, Tibet is Tibet and China is China. Don't mix them please. Chinese people are denied their own history. School kids in China are taught that Mao Zedong is father of nation but they are not taught that Mao is responsible for 30 to 60 million deaths. FREE CHINA.. FREE TIBET..

just4fun  04/18/2008 05:04 PM Report

It's more like culture conflict than cold war thought.

jorden   04/16/2008 04:57 PM Report

THANK YOU MR. ROSE FOR THE WONDERFUL PROGRAM.

I ALSO WISH THERE WAS A CHINESE SCHOLAR AMONG THE GUESTS SO TO LEVEL THE DISCUSSION FIELD.

ANYWAYS,CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY'S HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD IS JUST A CLICK AWAY IN GOOGLE.

-60 MILLION DIED UNDER MAO DURING CULTURAL REVOLUTION.

-1.2 MILLION LIVES OF TIBETAN PEOPLE.

-30,000 YOUTHS KILLED DURING TAINANMEN SQ. MASSACRE.

-1.5 MILLION BEIJING RESIDENTS LOST HOME FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS FOR OLYMPICS.

SUPPORT HUMAN RIGHTS IN CHINA!

Nawang Dorjee  04/14/2008 01:38 AM Report

It is a shallow discussion on Tibet. The truth of the matter is that the governments across the world have and contninue to bury the truth about Tibet and justice because the world today is awed by Chinese red political power and money. The scholars that be are making money out of the Tibetan tragedy - like vultures feeding on the carcass of an animal rotting in the wilderness. The Chinese, who only understand brutality, knows that it can totally disregard world opinion which is impotent without any mechanism to save and free Tibet. At the end of the day, today only only political power and money matters - not truth or justice. The world is a poorer place to live because human values of fairness, truth and justice have no meaning today!

wangdi  04/11/2008 02:57 PM Report

To all Han brothers who have commented above, with due respect to the views expressed i have just one simple question. Could anyone here have dared to discuss in open what we all are discussing and said the same words anywhere in China whether Beijing or any other place or for that matter Lhasa in a cafe or a disco or resaturant or while riding train or bus? If the answer is no then please dont stay in a state of permanent denial.

bunch of crap  04/08/2008 11:20 PM Report

just a bunch of crap talking about crap - none knows anything whatsoever - does thurman know anything about his trade? can he at leaset read some old maps? another charlatan

charles liu  04/08/2008 09:48 PM Report

The Chinese can learn a lot from the way Western powers treated the indigenous peoples. They can learn from the British and divide Tibet into the Western and Eastern Tibets. Then create disputed territories b/w them so that they can constantly fight against each other and the Chinese then can play god. They should also learn from the Belgians. They should measure Tibetans nose height and ear length and categorize them into Tutsi Tibetans and Hutu Tibetans. Let them kill each other so the Chinese can be their saviors. They of course can learn from the Americans. Give them alcohol and drug, give them a cut of the gambling profits. That way you can get rid of their religion without being called committing cultural genocide.

Once the Chinese have achieved all those, they can claim they are the defender of human rights and religious freedom.

Jack Mason  04/08/2008 08:23 PM Report

and more...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY

Jack Mason  04/08/2008 08:20 PM Report

check these maps and story. That "pundit" just a lier.

http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2008/03/xizang-tibet-was-not-part-of-china.html

http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10870258&top_story=1

Wangden  04/06/2008 10:39 PM Report

I don't think that lady introduced as Tibetan is actually a Tibetan. She sounded more Chinese leaning than Tibetan. May be she is a Tibetan but not really involved or uneducated in Tibetan issue. It is surprising that the head of the Tibetan studies department does not have energy or the information to eluciate Tibetan issue. Charlie Rose could have found a better person to represent Tibetans. She did not do represent our side properly, may be on purpose. Free Tibet.

Just4fun  04/06/2008 01:56 AM Report

Stupid people are everywhere...

wangdi  04/05/2008 12:56 PM Report

yeah i totally support views put forth by Alex. The struggle in Tibet is not against Chinese people coz whether they agree or not the fact is they dont have a choice and have to live under CCP which doesnt accept dissenting voice. Chinese people belong to a great nation and civilisation which doesnt starts with CCP. Chinese and Tibetan can live side by side harmoniously and harmony and human values are the spirit of Olympics so Chinese nation celebrating that spirit should definitely be cheered. The problem is not the nation but the regime which has too much blood of Chinese (Tianenmen is just one incident), Tibetans, Burmese, Vietnamese, Darfurians, Uighurs, and Olympics to the regime in Beijing is not a celebration of humanity but a macabre dance over dead.

Alex  04/05/2008 08:02 AM Report

I appreciate the intelligent discussions among the participants mostly without the useless rhetotic of the politicians. I do want to point out the danger of politicizing the Beijing Olympics to a point of no return.

The chinese people look for the Olympics as an ooportunity to connect with the rest of the world. They have openned their heart, so to speak, to the rest of the world. There is great danger to take this lightly and to hurl insults to a people offering their utmost hospitality. The backslassh can be long lasting.

We have already seen chinese questioning on the neutrality and truthfulness of the western media from the grass root level during the recent tibetan protest/riot. It will be unimaginable if the Beijing Olympics turn into a show of the western righteousness against the chinese evilness.

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Nawang Lhautara  04/04/2008 04:47 PM Report

I just saw the program aired March 20th, 2008 featuring several speakers; one of which was a Tashi Rapgey. First correction to be noted is this is a male name not a female, which she was most certainly. I'm sure the Charlie Rose show could have found anyone better versed on Tibets current condition than her. I have several problems with listening to her. A professor of Tibetan Studies in University of Virginia no less. Not from what I heard, I think she may be Chinese rather than Tibetan. Perhaps its her business interests in Tibet that kept her from stating facts and avoiding the questions poised to her. Being disappointed in her doesn't begin to describe the feeling I have for her.

Jamphel  04/03/2008 08:36 AM Report

I wish the invited Chinese representative had come to this Talk Show. I guess Chinese govt only understands and values the power of gun.

Tinlay  04/02/2008 10:34 AM Report

Hi World,the Chinese came to liberate Tibet without any invitation or call.Tibetan inside & outside Tibet had been calling the World for Liberation from China since 5 decades. I am sure the Worlld has less good people to hear us. IS IT WORTH WAITING FOR TOO LONG IF OUR VOICE IS NOT HEARD BY THE GREAT GLOBE OF MONEY WORLD.

FREE TIBET, SAVE DAFUR & CHINA FROM COMMUNIST LIARS.!!!

wangdi  04/02/2008 02:22 AM Report

I fully agree with Michelle. In free world we dont go out to kill, imprison, torture people for speaking their mind. Democracy is not perfect infact no system is perfect coz man is not perfect but we improve on learning from our imperfections we dont hide it and we dont force others into accepting that we are perfect. This is what our Chinese brothers should know. Michelle is right in saying Tibetans and Hans or for that matter any nationality can live side by side in harmony and its not an utopian thought, its a Buddhist way of life and this is what Dalai Lama has always been advocating. He recently praised President Hu Jintao for his Harmonious Society agenda and added that it should come from heart not by guns, is it too much for asking? With mutual suspicions can people of different culture live harmoniously NO it can happen only with mutual respect, Tibetans are only demanding respect for their culture and it doesnt mean central govt funds for monasteries or some gold statues but mean respect for their tradition and letting them practice what they beileve in without leaders abusing their revered spiritual leaders, without communist cadre telling them which scriptures to read, without party leaders deciding on reincarnation and without Jiang Qingli telling Tibetans that Central Party in Beijing is their Buddha. To all those Han brothers who say they are athiests, its fine with what you dont belive in and no one has the right to criticise you but cant you be respectfull of other peoples beleif as well. By the way there are more Han Chinese than Tibetans languishing in Labour camps and prisons in China for demanding freedom of expression, compensation for land aquisition, better working conditions in mines,concern for environment or simply writing poetry. And it was Chinese students in 1989 who were slaughtered in thousands for raising the voice LIBERTY and were branded "counter revolutionaries" were they all traitors and certainly they were not instigated by the Dalai Lama. Tibetans are willing to live with Chinese in a "harmonious society" and not in an "enforced society". Glitter of Shanghai and the malls in Lhasa wont mater to Tibetans if they are not allowed to light a butter lamp for the gods they believe in and Gods are in heaven and not in

wangdi  04/02/2008 01:27 AM Report

when Jian Qingli stated "the Central Party in Beijing is Buddha for Tibetans" he unwittingly spoke the truth for all Chinese as well. Coz this is what CCP stands for and will go to any length to enforce even if it meant butchering people.

And i would also like to add that Hitler's Germany had Goebles, China under CCP has Xinhua. So dear Han brothers if you think CCP is GOD and Xinhua the ultimate TRUTH then only TIME will make you face with reality, and its not a doomsday saying or foolish dream of a wortless BUDDHIST but a scientific fact -what goes up comes down.

wangdi  04/02/2008 01:05 AM Report

I fully agree with Michelle. In free world we dont go out to kill, imprison, torture people for speaking their mind. Democracy is not perfect infact no system is perfect coz man is not perfect but we improve on learning from our imperfections we dont hide it and we dont force others into accepting that we are perfect. This is what our Chinese brothers should know. Michelle is right in saying Tibetans and Hans or for that matter any nationality can live side by side in harmony and its not an utopian thought, its a Buddhist way of life and this is what Dalai Lama has always been advocating. He recently praised President Hu Jintao for his Harmonious Society agenda and added that it should come from heart not by guns, is it too much for asking? With mutual suspicions can people of different culture live harmoniously NO it can happen only with mutual respect, Tibetans are only demanding respect for their culture and it doesnt mean central govt funds for monasteries or some gold statues but mean respect for their tradition and letting them practice what they beileve in without leaders abusing their revered spiritual leaders, without communist cadre telling them which scriptures to read, without party leaders deciding on reincarnation and without Jiang Qingli telling Tibetans that Central Party in Beijing is their Buddha. To all those Han brothers who say they are athiests, its fine with what you dont belive in and no one has the right to criticise you but cant you be respectfull of other peoples beleif as well. Tibetans are wiling to live in a "Harmoniuos Society" but not in an ENFORCED SOCIETY. And to all Han brothers who are so distrustful of Tibetans and Dalai Lama, which ofcourse is not their fault coz CCP doesnt gives RIGHT OF CHOICE, there are more Han Chinese in prisons and Labor Camps in China than Tibetans for demanding freedom of expression, better compensation for land aquisition, better working conditions in mines, or simply writing poetry or a letter the President. And those in thousand who were crushed under the wheels of tanks and slaughtered with bulets in 1989 for rasing the word LIBERT were also not Tibetans and certainly not instigated by the Dalai Lama or Dalai Clique. They were branded "counter revolutionaries" were they ? To all who believe that they have access to free information just cick on the net and see what you read on Tianenmen Square massacare. You will get your answers. Humanity doesnt distinguish between Tibetans and Hans blood is red for all humans only those who shed it for their glory give it different colour. Do you know one of the 5 victim of arson in Lhasa garment shop was Tibetan girl but Xinhua pays tribute to 4 Han girl, we Tibetans and all true Buddhists pray for all and this is what Dalai Lama stands for. The number of Chinese across the world including China who revere Dalai Lama is far more than the number of Tibetans. Monks are committing suicide in Tibet rather than killing Hans or their opressors coz they are taught not to inflict pain on others. So understand the true meaning of FREEDOM and open myopic eyes which reads only what is brought before the eyes. In Hitlers Germany people belived that Jews were bad and theres no holocaust and the reality was before them when it ended, the TRUTH has to be SOUGHT not just read.

Michele  04/01/2008 10:35 PM Report

How sad for the world that we are still plagued by the negative, afflictive emotions, but that is what Buddha taught...lifeis suffering. The chinese suffer in their anger, lies, distortion, unfair categorizations of HHDL role (or more accurately, lack of role) and they keep trying to rewrite history as well as currnt affairs with blatant prpoganda.

If we love there is room for all. The Tibetans and the HAN Chinese could live side by side if their was mutual respect, human rights, and an overhaul of the current and very outdated Maoist approaches which wont work by the way in Nepal...dirt poor as they are and happy for ANY change even if the choose out of desperation, the Moaist- bad seed. WE WILL NOT LET THE TIBETAN STRUGLE FOR PEACEFUL DETERMINATIN OF THEIR FUTURES AND FATE be in vain.

We will not bend to the crual, untrue & unfair intimidation from the Chinese agents of hate, fear, and vilence.

NOT THIS TIME

Remember...the USA is not perfect by a long shot BUT, we are FREE to speak oour mids, write our President, US REPS and tell them when they are making complete idiots of themselves at our expense. We ARE talking and making the amends we must do undue many of our own negative and karmic historical mistakes. It takes restraint, a willingness to be honest and fairplay, patience and wisdom....all part of being a Buddhist as well...so lets encourage the hard liners to see that their future is wrapped up in compromise, dialogue and playing nice in the sandbox with thier own repressed Chinese countrymen and women, the Tibetans, and behaving properly around the world as responsible global citiznes. OR they might just end up like Cuba today (catchingup furiously--today they just got cellphones!) fifty years from now themselves!

tenzin  04/01/2008 02:18 AM Report

hey hjt, y u insist on saying HH Dalai Lama as separatist. Del has written it very clearly in his reply to you that HH Dalai Lama doesn't seek separation.

you have written you get all the information from outside, then you should have known better about HH Dalai Lama stand. And if you still want to call him separatist well then you are just a mouth piece to your CCP who slaughtered those innocent freedom loving chinese students...

Xiao Feng  03/31/2008 10:55 PM Report

For all those that like to mention the number of people killed by the Tibetan rioters. I'd just like to point out that the Chinese Communist Government is the real criminal. The scale of the violence and repression that they've inflicted in Tibet (for the past 50 years) is the real crime.

Wangchuk  03/31/2008 06:24 PM Report

What many pro-China, anti-Tibetan posters are forgetting is that the riot on 3/14 in Lhasa was preceded by 4 days of peaceful protests and followed by nearly 2 weeks of peaceful protests in all regions of Tibet. China's reaction to these protests has been a violent & harsh crackdown on all signs of dissent.

These protests in over 50 areas of Tibet by monks, nuns, lay persons, nomads, students & all sorts of Tibetans show that Tibetans are unhappy w/ Chinese rule, they want a free Tibet & they want the return of the Dalai Lama. China has failed to win the hearts & minds of the Tibetan people.

China should immediately allow unrestricted access to Tibet by journalists, diplomats & human rights organizations. That is the best way to get at the truth. When a govt only presents one side & censors other views, the govt's message should be immediately be suspect. That is why China has never been able to convince the world of their position on Tibet & the Dalai Lama.

Many Chinese intellectuals & students support Tibetan human rights & the Dalai Lama & criticize the Party for its failed policies in Tibet & demand Tibetans be allowed full religious & political freedom.

Tenpa D. Gashi  03/31/2008 01:06 AM Report

oh..I just forgot to mention this, Charlie Rose, I always watch your show and know you to be quite a stand up guy and an intellectual in your own right. I guess I am trying to say I am your fan. Hey, sorry about your black eye. Hopefully, it is not the Chinese Ambassador. Ha ha I kid, I kid.

Tenpa D. Gashi  03/31/2008 12:46 AM Report

To those who keep repeating that the tibetans rioters have killed 12 Han Chinese, I just want them to know that it is the Chinese Govt. who has orchestrated this whole charade from the get on. They had police officers dressed up as monks and laypeople, as has been confirmed by British Intelligence recently, and then they started burning and looting the selected areas that were predetermined. There is also the picture they circulated to the western media of a tibetan man with a huge sword during the riot, wanted number 52, who was recognized by witnesses as being a local chinese police officer, which, subsequently led the PRC to issue another picture of the same scene with the person cropped out. Now, you tell me who started this riot? Can you really believe the PRC to offer correct assessment of the riot? I doubt any figure they give out as long as there is no independent inquiry by journalists. Like Shakapa said before me, there can be no meaningful dialogue possible with the present communist regime. They are incapable of keeping promises - even the ones that they initially forced on others.

Tsoltim N. Shakabpa  03/30/2008 10:32 PM Report

THE ISSUE OF AUTONOMY FOR TIBET

By Tsoltim N. Shakabpa

I support His Holiness the Dalai Lama's call for genuine autonomy for Tibet. But I support it only if it is within the realm of a truly democratic China, not under the sovereignty of a communist China.

Why? Because China, under communism, has already flagrantly reneged on an autonomous agreement signed in 1951, which they themselves dictated - clearly proving that to communists an agreement is meant to be broken, not to be kept. An agreement is like a "paper tiger" to communists. They feel they can easily tear it up when and if it doesn't suit them and use it in a predatory manner when it does.

Further, communists believe that religion is poison, as Mao himself told the Dalai Lama, while Buddhism is a sacred religion to Tibetans. Also, since communists believe that religion is poison, they logically believe that the religious head of an institution is "lethal" poison, which the Tibetans can never accept because to Tibetans the Dalai Lama is not only the supreme head of their religious institution but also the reincarnation and emanation of the God of Compassion.

Moreover, communism is fraught with dictatorship and totalitarianism while Tibetans fervently believe in democracy.

Finally, I believe that with a genuine autonomous status within the realm of a truly democratic China, Tibet has a good chance of regaining her independence rather than under the tyrannical sovereignty of a communist China.

OnCR  03/30/2008 06:23 PM Report

wow, what a loaded biased introduction;

"Chinese' crackdown that lead to the deaths of 16 people" ??

WTF? It was the rioters that attacking/killing civilians and police forces that tried to restore order in Lhasa.It was the rioters that lead/produced these deaths, not the police force.

Pema  03/28/2008 01:48 AM Report

Some of the Chinese brothers here have very strong feeling for their homeland. I suggest they should personally get in touch with any tibetan organization in their area and request for a discussion on Tibet and China. If we as ordinary people can convince each other perhaps the leaders might be able to do so too. If any one of you are in california i am glad to organise such a discussion.

Tenzin  03/27/2008 11:28 PM Report

To Fairplay. So, you are a semi-buddhist? Just for your knowledge, you do not become a Buddhist, semi or otherwise, by reading the canons of Buddhism, as you put it. You become a Buddhist when you take refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha, among other things. And once you start calling yourself a buddhist, semi (I do not know what that means..??) buddhist or otherwise, you do not discredit any buddhist teachers in anyway. Having said that, I fully agree with you that any form of life is precious, be that a Han Chinese life or the life of another human or a satient being (all life forms)and I truly regret if there were innocent Chinese killed in the recent uprising in Tibet. On the other hand, please do accept that deaths of Tibetans at the hand of communist china since the occupation had far far exceeded the death of chinese in the recent protest. You have no idea how much Tibetans suffer as a result of chinese occupation. In this recent protest alone, the chinese police killd way more Tibetans and if you need proof of the few that had been documented (this is for Del as well), please click on the link on this link http://www.tchrd.org/press/2008/pr20080318c.html These killings happened during and after the recent protest in Tibet. Be your own judge. I bet, very few Chinese know of these killings (but this has been routine for Tibetans, other minorities and even...maybe your own ordinary han chinese). If you are a half buddhist, you should be crying after seeing these pictures! You mentioned the 6th Dalai Lama! Although, I have the deepest veneration and respect to him, he is not one of the Dalai Lamas Tibetans consider great (we know the Dalai Lamas more than anyone else). He was different other Dalai Lamas, a great poet, a Dalai Lama who engaged in worldly pleasures (this may appeal to the chinese who brought much materialisic ills into Tibet). Sadly, he passed away young and there is a theory about chinese hands for his passing away. Please think twice before you call yourself a semi-buddhist. You do not sound and act like one. Thank you!

Tenzin  03/27/2008 11:28 PM Report

To Fairplay. So, you are a semi-buddhist? Just for your knowledge, you do not become a Buddhist, semi or otherwise, by reading the canons of Buddhism, as you put it. You become a Buddhist when you take refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha, among other things. And once you start calling yourself a buddhist, semi (I do not know what that means..??) buddhist or otherwise, you do not discredit any buddhist teachers in anyway. Having said that, I fully agree with you that any form of life is precious, be that a Han Chinese life or the life of another human or a satient being (all life forms)and I truly regret if there were innocent Chinese killed in the recent uprising in Tibet. On the other hand, please do accept that deaths of Tibetans at the hand of communist china since the occupation had far far exceeded the death of chinese in the recent protest. You have no idea how much Tibetans suffer as a result of chinese occupation. In this recent protest alone, the chinese police killd way more Tibetans and if you need proof of the few that had been documented (this is for Del as well), please click on the link on this link http://www.tchrd.org/press/2008/pr20080318c.html These killings happened during and after the recent protest in Tibet. Be your own judge. I bet, very few Chinese know of these killings (but this has been routine for Tibetans, other minorities and even...maybe your own ordinary han chinese). If you are a half buddhist, you should be crying after seeing these pictures! You mentioned the 6th Dalai Lama! Although, I have the deepest veneration and respect to him, he is not one of the Dalai Lamas Tibetans consider great (we know the Dalai Lamas more than anyone else). He was different other Dalai Lamas, a great poet, a Dalai Lama who engaged in worldly pleasures (this may appeal to the chinese who brought much materialisic ills into Tibet). Sadly, he passed away young and there is a theory about chinese hands for his passing away. Please think twice before you call yourself a semi-buddhist. You do not sound and act like one. Thank you!

Phuntsok  03/27/2008 11:28 PM Report

To Fairplay. So, you are a semi-buddhist? Just for your knowledge, you do not become a Buddhist, semi or otherwise, by reading the canons of Buddhism, as you put it. You become a Buddhist when you take refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha, among other things. And once you start calling yourself a buddhist, semi (I do not know what that means..??) buddhist or otherwise, you do not discredit any buddhist teachers in anyway. Having said that, I fully agree with you that any form of life is precious, be that a Han Chinese life or the life of another human or a satient being (all life forms)and I truly regret if there were innocent Chinese killed in the recent uprising in Tibet. On the other hand, please do accept that deaths of Tibetans at the hand of communist china since the occupation had far far exceeded the death of chinese in the recent protest. You have no idea how much Tibetans suffer as a result of chinese occupation. In this recent protest alone, the chinese police killd way more Tibetans and if you need proof of the few that had been documented (this is for Del as well), please click on the link on this link http://www.tchrd.org/press/2008/pr20080318c.html These killings happened during and after the recent protest in Tibet. Be your own judge. I bet, very few Chinese know of these killings (but this has been routine for Tibetans, other minorities and even...maybe your own ordinary han chinese). If you are a half buddhist, you should be crying after seeing these pictures! You mentioned the 6th Dalai Lama! Although, I have the deepest veneration and respect to him, he is not one of the Dalai Lamas Tibetans consider great (we know the Dalai Lamas more than anyone else). He was different other Dalai Lamas, a great poet, a Dalai Lama who engaged in worldly pleasures (this may appeal to the chinese who brought much materialisic ills into Tibet). Sadly, he passed away young and there is a theory about chinese hands for his passing away. Please think twice before you call yourself a semi-buddhist. You do not sound and act like one. Thank you!

xcl  03/27/2008 10:27 PM Report

Hist Ory

Who tells you the tibetans have "freedom, something they enjoyed prior to the Chinese invading and occupying Tibet." ?

What kind of freedom can ordinary people enjoy in the theocracal slavery system where 5% rich land lords and lamas owned all lands and wealth, the rest 95% were serfs and slaves. which Dalai Lama himself admitted and showed to detest.

Well, I admit those westen medias are sick and hypocritical, can you reflect on yourself? Simply criticising the other countries w/d any evidence may make you feel better for your life, but that indeed is HYPOCRISY.

Read some true stories and serious history books before you make any arguments next time.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/tibet.htm

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ids=ejnpb95zucrn

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/20/tibet.miles.interview/

Have a meaningful life.

ss  03/27/2008 10:24 PM Report

I agree with Richard's comment. I have friends from Tibet. According to their story, the US media did misleading people. Besides, I found a very famous video in Youtube(views: 1,314,582; comments: 79,605; favorited: 10,825 times in 3 or 4 days and the number is still increasing quickly). This video can not be found in the first page, most viewed, most discussed.....It is hided by Youtube. No matter what, we should hear the voice from another side. This is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

Haobo Wang  03/27/2008 10:23 PM Report

Dear Charlie Rose,

I am an ethnic Han Chinese. I personally don't agree with every Tibet policy of Chinese government (for example, I think the current policy is way too pro- ethnic Tibetan.) I just watched your program regarding Tibet on PBS. I watch PBS often and enjoy most of its programs. But I feel your program about Tibet is so biased, and frankly it is disgusting. You invited 4 pro-Tibet scholars as your guests, then said you also invited Chinese Ambassador but he would not attend, blah blah. Your four favored guests then used lies to smear the Government of China and ethnic Han Chinese people. (We can discuss history and international laws in detail if needed.)

Do you think it is appropriate to invite the Ambassador of China to debate/discuss Tibet issue with pro-Tibet scholars? Probably I am too naive, but officials representing the people and the government of China have their limitations due to their specific positions. They cannot speak freely because their words represent government policy, which might be scrutinized word by word. How could they debate with pro-Tibet scholars freely and equally? You are asking someone with his hands bounded to fight with others. With normal IQ, I personally think you should invite scholars (pro-China or neutral) to debate with other scholars. It might be extremely difficult to find scholars with pro-China stance considering the fact that blaming China is the best way to guarantee fundings (for your four esteemed guests). It is unpopular if anyone says anything good about China, which is not what western people like to hear, he/she might lose funding. Unfortunately western audience are sometimes not interested in truth but a imaginary, rosy Tibet.

Western media complained that Chinese government banned western journalists in Tibet. If western media are biased as that, I do see the government got a point. Biased journalists can do greater harm, foster more violence with their colored glasses. They will ignore 100 minutes of riots violence and capture 1 minute police self-defense activities. Your program, further discredit western media. By the way, can anyone attack NYPD without any consequences?

There is no good terrorism or bad terrorism, there is only one kind of terrorism. What those Tibetan riots did (killing innocent people, burning shops, attacking police officers) are terrorism activities. I heard a news that 5 girls in their 20's (both Tibetan and Han) were burned to death in a shop. Do you know the last message one of those girls sent to her family? She said "don't worry about me." It seems that your guests have no time to care about those loses of lives because of their SELECTIVE sympathies.

About Dalai Lama, is he really sincere? A big question mark. One of your guests said that Dalai Lama is always ready and willing and eager and hoping to talk with Chinese government, and Chinese government is always half-hearted and cheating and trying to play trick. If it is a ordinary audience who said that, it is understandable. But if it is a so-called expert on Tibet issues who said that, it is unforgivable. He/she loses the basic conscience as a researcher. Does he/she know the Big Tibet Dalai Lama is asking for?

Why there is no voice from the other side? Because western public doesn't like it. It is pathetic.

Fairplay  03/27/2008 10:23 PM Report

Very biased, though better than Foxnews.

When an Asian Indian and two western whites talk about Tibet, you can bet on the result of discussion. Actually it is quite easy to call any Chinese scholar into the discussion. There are thousands of Chinese history professors from universities in Hong Kong and Western countries who can talk about a more balanced history of Tibet.

Hints: Indians and Chinese do not get along well near the Tibet area. It is a joke to let Indians give a fair talk on Tibet. Indians also occupy the 6th Dalai Lama's birthplace and refuse to return it to Tibet (The current Dalai Lama is the 14th). Most westerners are ignorant about Fareast's history. Professor Robert Thurman even thinks President Hu could be another Nixon (a hardliner vs. China comparing to Hu vs. Tibet). This is a joke and it shows that Thurman knows nothing about Fareast politics.

second thought  03/27/2008 10:22 PM Report

Yes, "Han Chinese lack the knowledge of Tibetan". "The economic development is totally based on the destruction of the environment". Tibetans have a better knowledge of Tibet". Wait. Who just said the violence in Tibet is beyond his control? If the destruction is greater than the benefit, why does Dalai Lama wants Tibet to be part of China to share the economic boom? It's easier for a dog to bark than for a human to talk his ideology. The western politians like him as long as he barks against their opponents and the louder the better. A few more comments about my personal experience in Tibet:

1. Ordinary Tibetans are very nice and friendly to tourists. Also, the environment and ecology is very natural and beautiful. Personally, I don't see signs of "destruction".

2. Tibetan monks, i.e. lamas, are generally gready and surly. One of the monks once invited the me into a dark room for a spiritual talk, and then asked for $100 to light a candle in order to cleanse my spirit. How pious are they to Buddism! I immediately turned hime down. The other monk did the same thing to my girl friend and with a threatening tone. It's then not hard to understand why Dalai changed his claim of full independence to full autonomy. Who doens't want to make quick money from Han tourists under the name of Budda?

Howard  03/27/2008 10:15 PM Report

I think the people of China and the polititians should put themselves in the shoes of Tibetan people and ask themself one question..what is wrong in giving people Freedom and right of religion?

What is wrong with falon gong practitioner and why do they get out of torturing those who standn up to their basic human right?

Is this fair?

Is this Human?

Is this an act of someone with genuine intellect?

Just grow up and for once do the right thing before we all leave this world since nothing in this world is permanent.What is permanent is what you are deep inside.peace and love...welcome to 21st century.

hjt  03/27/2008 10:07 PM Report

Hi. Del. First of all, I donâ??t live in China and am able to receive all the information from all over the world. OK. I agree that there are a lot of problems in China right now due to the absolute power of CCP. Personally, I hate the corruption, news control, and environment scarified for economic growth very much. We must have a revolution to establish a high effective and efficient government with minimum corruption and enough knowledge and resources to solve the problems. But I don't see why the separation is the solution. They are just not relevant. We, as Chinese, would like to have all provinces united including Tibet and Taiwan to recover a great country. I agree that China government should talk with Dalai and any separatists. But don't you know Dalai is the obstacle of the conversion not China government because he is greedy and asking something unrealistic such as the Greater Tibet and always changing his mind over time and losing control of his followers who makes his words incredible? What I can see is that Dalai is a politician rather than a Buddhist. I enjoy a lot of philosophy wisdom from Buddhism. But Dalai is not good as he looks like in terms of philosophy and integrity. Also I think that you should dig harder to get more understanding of Chinese history and culture such as Kongzi. Kongzi brings us ZhongYongZhiDao. But donâ??t you know Kongzi is in favor of the government and controller? So I donâ??t think ZhongYongZhiDao is the way to go for China. Regarding Olympic game, I think that it is a good opportunity for all the western people to understand more about China not only from biased Western newspapers and medias and for China government to review its policies and operations and problems. But nobody in China will agree the game should be used by the separatists and political attackers and scarify Tibet or Taiwan to host the game. Donâ??t you think independence and separatism is against Olympic spirits of one world, one dream?

hjt  03/27/2008 09:58 PM Report

Del. Doing one thing right doesn't mean doing all the things right. You know why Chinese people are so angry with the Western medias. Because the Western medias often take a biased position on all Chinese related issues. You are telling that China government is killing Tibetans. Do you have evidence? What I see is that Tibetan rioters kill innocent Han Chinese and Hui Chinese and ruin the city. If you think the Western medias are fair, find it out by yourself. They are acting like terrorists. Dalai Lama's greed is not obvious just from what he is talking. "I am asking Beijing to allow Tibet to be an autonomous area governed locally by Tibetans so that we can preserve our culture and language, but still remain under control from Beijing like Guangxi and the Zhuang minority" But do you know Tibet he is refering to is much greater than the current Tibetan area which inlcudes the other areas Tibetan never govered before? Also, his followers had made the statement of autonomy is the first step to independence. In my opinion, China will not recover to a great country if Tibet and Taiwan is seperated because they belong to China since hundreds of years ago. Just because I have a position and opinion simliar to China government and most Chinese people, I am considered as being brainwashed by you. Can I consider you are brainwashed just because you are taking a postion and opinion based only on what you hear from Dalai Lama and the Western medias? Like you said, we need to do something good. But what the Tibetan rioters are doing is not doing anything good to anybody.

Fairplay  03/27/2008 09:58 PM Report

To Shaft the hypocrite,

Mind your own business before you "feel" for other people. Technically speaking, you know nothing about Fareast situations. Remember Geronimo and Apaches? Would they be granted any privilege above the whites? In a democratic and conscience nation this is impossible. <BR><BR>

In China, the communists are playing a very unfair game. Whenever a Han Chinese has a fight with ethnic minorities, such as Ugurs, Huis, Tibetans, and so on, the Han Chinese person is the one to be punished. The ethnic minorities have lots of privileges, such as immunity to misdemeanors and 1-child birth policy. In a democratic nation this is impossible. Personally I think the hypocrite's "law enforcement" against native Americans is perhaps the way to deal with rebellious ethnic minorities IF CHINA IS EVER A DEMOCRATIC NATION (Everybody is born equal, isn't it???). Ironically, the communists seek to make peace with the belligerent ethnic minorities because the communists don't want trouble and want to save their own faces. They treat ethnic minorities in a way much better than the Uncle Sam. If you don't believe what I said, just ask Han Chinese students in the United States. Before you open your mouth, better do some investigation at first.