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A discussion about John McCain with John Heilemann of New York magazine, Richard Land of Southern Baptist Convention, Evan Thomas of Newsweek and Ed Rogers former deputy assistant to President George H.W. Bush.
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- John McCain
- Republican
- huckabee
- candidates
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Dave 02/13/2008 08:32 PM Report
It will be Huckabee for VP or no one...not that McCain has a chance to win anyway...more people voted in the Primaries for Hillary Clinton than for all of the Republicans combined...Obama has ofcourse also aquired the same level of support.
J.G. Self 02/11/2008 10:46 PM Report
CondiRice as VP would ensure a Democratic victory because there is much video of her attesting to the fact that Saddam was under control, representing no threat to the US. Sec. Powell also is on record.
Second, she was the worst national security advisor in recent history.
As someone who supports Barrack for no other reason that I want change in Washington, anything Sen. McCain can do to weaken his chances is appreciated. Huckabee works for me as well!
MotherLodeBeth 02/10/2008 06:06 PM Report
Rice as VP? No way! She is part of the gang who has made a mess of things. The press is Pro Hillary? Which press?
What makes me so livid is how the press in general only tells us what they want us to know. John Edwards, and even Ron Paul have some brilliant ideas, yet the media being as lazy as they tend to be, doesn't want to give the public more info on candidates we may be interested in. Look at the debates and some of the jackass questions they asked about UFO's. Or how Ron Paul was asked a question by Anderson Cooper and was answering the question and was cut off. Seems the media folks want to be the news. Narcissistic idiots all. Hucklebee is making the alternative media rounds and is doing great on Colbert, Leno etc.
Then I heard Jim Wallis on CSPAN booknotes this week end note that media pre interviews seem to shut you out unless you have something mean or shocking to say, which means a sound bite or ratings for the show one is being asked to be on.
dontgeo 02/10/2008 01:26 AM Report
Interesting. Don't agree by half, but thoughtful nonetheless. Richard Land is colorful though biased as I am. But, Rice for VP? What about her connection to Burma? What about her great advice about Iraq? What about a person's history? Or would she be used for her gender and race to counter the Dem machine? Would she be expected to exercise the same power as the current VP?
As far as McCain goes, he seems an honorable man who is now just starting to pretend what he apparently is not. Yes, he is hawkish and that is not my view, but up to now he is not the same kind of hypocrite many politicians believe they have to be. I find it difficult to buy the suicide attempt the way it is spun, actually attempting to kick a bucket, but wow, what a story. And there is no one who can refute it, unless a Viet Cong prison guard comes forward to counter, so no swift boat. Makes PT 109 look like a little ride in a dory.
And "surrender" now that is the word this campaign is going to workout. There are so many holes in the argument that this war provoked and started by Bush and Company. It's the same idea of calling those who oppose war treasonous. As if there is only one way of viewing these things in this democratic society. McCain wants to stay if it takes 100 years! Dems could counter McCain + Iraq for another 100 years!
cant believe it 02/09/2008 05:50 PM Report
Consider the GITMO treatment we would have given a McCain-type "hero" shot down trying to bomb one of our CIVILIAN power plants! His mind would be turned to pabulum. McCain's too jingoistic for a country already run by the M-I complex. His total endorsement of the military led by his father is the last thing we need now in our tortured history. Unlike the enlightened elements during the Vietnam war McCain flew 22 bombing missions with the callous boast that he would do it all again. I always think of the Napalmed, naked little girl running, screaming. Why aren't we voting for the pilot(s) that weren't dumb enough to get shot down. Or better: one that refused to bomb peasants and children out of their rice paddies in the first place. His imprisonment is the opposite of heroic for me. Uncontested by Migs, he was shot down bombing a civilian power plant. COWARDLY! Bout as brave as his idol Shrub's national guard experience but more murderous. All for the other preemptive Gulf-of-Tonkin pretextual war. Real courage refuses to rush to war. McCain has repeatedly proved he doesnâ??t meet the test. SURRENDER? What? Our decency? It's too late for that. More Bush stay-the-course stolid BS. And the idiocy of recommending Condoleeza Rice is sooo far beyond the pale it ranks as the most obtuse idea since the idea of preemptive war. THE WAR IS ABOUT OIL. SURRENDER IN THIS DISHONORABLE SITUATION WOULD BE HONORABLE!! PREEMPTIVE WAR NEEDS THE POETRY OF A PREEMPTIVE ENDING. The Republican jingoists didn't disappoint.
South Carolina Democrat 02/09/2008 02:58 PM Report
I found most of the discussion interesting and reasonable - although I disagree with McCain and Bush and the Republicans in general on nearly every issue. But I thought that Ed Rogers added no value at all. I've heard many other 'Republican strategists' who were more articulate. Where did you find this guy? He sounded like he was auditioning for a job with McCain! Please, don't have him on again!
TABS 02/09/2008 01:29 PM Report
Your Liberal audience has such a false sense of intellectual superiority. They tend to think that they are such enlightened individuals, who are out for the betterment of mankind and all that rot. While forgetting the grit that it took to get them to their lofty tower of enlightenment. For without the grit they wouldn't have the time for the lofty contemplation that it takes to be a Liberal. They would be too busy shoveling sh!t in Louisiana.
dibs 02/09/2008 11:36 AM Report
The media is pro Hillary Clinton? What media are you talking about? I can't even watch or read most of the main stream media coverage of this campaign anymore because of the obvious bias for Obama. I would welcome more evenly balanced reporting, both positive and negative, about the candidates. Please tell me where to find it in the main stream media. Charlie has been doing it the best so far.
sam madinos 02/09/2008 10:56 AM Report
Finally!
Charlie does a show that is NOT OVERTLY PRO HILLARY. I a still amazed how pro Hillary Charlie's shows has been since the super Tuesday. Obama came from 20 point back and edged out Hillary. If this was super bowl, it would have been called the biggest comeback of all time, but media is too pro Hillary to say that.
TABS 02/09/2008 04:31 AM Report
My, my Mr Rose it seems like your Liberal viewers become so irrational by letting their emotions carry them away when talking about good ole conservative values and foreign policy. I always did associate foaming at the mouth with being rabid, ahhh but they are Liberals aren't they?
TABS 02/09/2008 04:08 AM Report
Ed Rogers and even Richard Land sure started the program off blowing smoke up Mr Roses a$$ about Senator McCain. The Base can say,"Yep McCain is a Liberal in Republican clothing, but he is our Liberal." McCain better keep his eyes on the Center as there are more of them than on the right or left. If Obama becomes the Democratic Party's nominee maybe McCain should borrow Hillarys playbook of having experience in the practice of government craft. That he knows how to move the ball upfield when it counts. It just might work better for McCain then it did Hillary. McCain and Obama flying around like Kennedy and Goldwater planned, who would have thought America would take a 50 year hiatus? And McCains famous temper, since when has a character flaw ever stopped someone from being President, all one has to do is listen to LBJ or Nixon on tape.
DEBORAH BARR STEVENS 02/09/2008 01:54 AM Report
Charlie-I can't believe you, who has seemed one of the lesser biased people in the main stream media(MOM) in the reporting on this presidential election, allowed the conversation of a group of all(white) men to devolve into another pro Obama/pro male discussion. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate of all the presidential candidates from either party. There is no question that she would be the tougher opponent for John McCain to best. She is on the right side of all most all the issues that are important to the people who will actually be doing the voting AND she has the experience to back up her words with action. This campaign is becoming a gender contest. She is being devalued, marginalized and attacked from every corner, because she is a powerful woman who might actually get the most powerful job of all in this world. The main stream media(MOM) is treating her campaign for President of the United States with contempt and then minimizing her EVERY victory, of which there have been many. She is the frontrunner still, against all odds, and if this patriarchal, misogynist attack on her doesn't succeed in getting a man, any man, nominated instead of her, she WILL be the next President of the United States!...and the rest of the world will know The United States of America is REALLY serious about change!...and then there might be a chance for REAL change in this world. Of course, that's what the real fear is for those with power in a patriarchal world, isn't it? You want change? You want REAL change?
THEN ELECT A WOMAN AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!
I think you need to do a show with others who share THIS point of view. ie: Tom Watson"The sexist Media Lynching of Hillary Clinton"; Robin Morgan"Goodbye to all that2"; Dr. Stanley Fish,New York Times"All you need is Hate"; Jane Hamsher; Chris Bowers; Tommy Christopher"The greatness of Hillary"; Jack Hitt, Mother Jones, Alternet"Why we love to hate Hillary": Maya Angelou, "A poem for Hillary", and there are many others.
Respectfully-Another change agent who is voting for Clinton
Cant believe it 02/09/2008 12:41 AM Report
McCain's too jingoistic for a country already run by the M-I complex. His total endorsement of the military led by his father is the last thing we need now in our tortured history. Unlike the enlightened elements during the Vietnam war McCain flew 22 bombing missions with the callous boast that he would do it all again. I always think of the Napalmed, naked little girl running, screaming. Why aren't we voting for the pilot(s) that weren't dumb enough to get shot down. Or better: one that refused to bomb peasants and children out of their rice paddies in the first place. His imprisonment is the opposite of heroic for me. Uncontested by Migs, he was shot down bombing a civilian power plant. COWARDLY! Bout as brave as his idol Shrub's national guard experience but more murderous. All for the other preemptive Gulf-of-Tonkin pretextual war. Real courage refuses to rush to war. McCain has repeatedly proved he doesnâ??t meet the test.
SURRENDER? What? Our decency? Itâ??s too late for that. More Bush stay-the-course stolid BS. And the idiocy of recommending Condoleeza Rice is sooo far beyond the pale it ranks as the most obtuse idea since the idea of preemptive war. THE WAR IS ABOUT OIL. SURRENDER IN THIS DISHONORABLE SITUATION WOULD BE HONORABLE!! PREEMPTIVE WAR NEEDS THE POETRY OF A PREEMPTIVE ENDING. The Republican jingoists didnâ??t disappoint.