An hour with Julian Schnabel

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An hour with artist and film director Julian Schnabel. Schnabel discusses his film The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, his art, creative process and current show of Navigation Drawings at Sperone Westwater.

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    1. Elvis  09/07/2012 07:33 PM Report

      I just watched this interview on the DVD of the Diving Bell and the Butterfly. Then, on the DVD of Before Night Falls, I witnessed Mr. Schnable's "art" and I mean "art" as he gave a tour of his studio and told us the hidden meaning behind what we artists generally call junk.

      This is an outrageously mediocre filmmaker and an abysmally awful painter. I just watched two ponderous and unmemorable movies that completely failed to touch me. I felt no emotions as I watched them and both had subjects that should have evoked tremendous emotion.

      Schnable has taken full advantage of the "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome to hoodwink the viewing public.

      Don't let this man near a movie set or a camera ever again. Please.

    2. Bryan Tap  09/24/2008 07:41 PM Report

      There's something wonderfully epic about this interview. It just covers so much ground in a relatively small amount of time. I think this is one of the best interviews Charlie has ever gotten out of somebody.

    3. Thora Dexter, Montana  07/02/2008 03:59 PM Report

      Dear Charlie Rose and Julian Scnabel:

      I watch the Charlie Rose show because I enjoy the interviews, but also because your looks (Charlie's) remind me of my father who died at the age of 53. My father had patrician looks

      something like the Arrow Shirt man of the 30's.

      Who should you interview last night but Julian

      Scnabel who reminds me of my older brother, now deceased. My brother was a bear-like man also. He was very artistic and talented. He was a baritone(opera). His creative talents ran more in the area of sound and voice creations. My brother could dress as a patrician if performance demanded, but he could slob out like a Bohemian, also. We are a people that have a big life in our heads.

      I was impressed and touched by the affection and respect Charlie has for Julian. You are two such different types.

      I recently had the experience of a stroke and have minor physical restrictions, but because of the big life I 've always enjoyed in my head and my western persona which grooves on "give me land, lots of land under starry skies above; don't fence me;" I was very chagrined to have my doctor tell me that I now had to experience life with a "fenced in back yard!"

      You guys feel like family and I would like to get to know you better in the latter days of my life.

      Thora Dexter

      Alias,Crazy Woman

    4. john graham  03/27/2008 02:03 AM Report

      why did he feel so uncomfortable when charlie wanted to talk about his image and who he was. did he love himself or didn't he. and why did charlie allow him to change the subject back to the movie. why did charlie agree that talking about julian's image wasn't interesting? Did we learn more about him by him talking about his movie than we would have if he had talked about himself?

    5. Roman Bradley  03/25/2008 11:38 AM Report

      He's had better paintings than many other artists in the last 20 years. possibly he just doesn't have much competition in the market place for painting. and if his works were contrived they'd possibly look less contrived. the harder you work on something the more right it looks. Therefore, when you see a Schnabel you know he's completely going on a spatial intuitive quest to finding, and is not concerned with having the right results.

      Some of his paintings look soulful, others look clumsy, and at times he has very violent works, but his art is deeply american and ingrained in the american culture. The last of the true american painters.

      My only complaint is that Schnabel never condenses his works, he only expands them.But that is also another ethnic question. Almost all jewish artists expand space.

      In order to find masterpieces in his painting you'd have to have schnabel condense his works

      and expand on ideas he has played with about scale and values of the surface. his last few works were brilliant examples of things to come. Perhaps he'll strip things down and get lean again.

    6. John Berens  03/17/2008 10:24 PM Report

      Dear Mr. Charlie Rose

      Thank you for a wonderful hour with Julian Schnabel.

      Thank you especially for reading

      His father's transcribed words.

      Is that particular transcript available anywhere?

      I'd like very much to read it again.

      All the Best,

      John Berens

    7. Rosenlehner  02/18/2008 10:13 PM Report

      Is it possible to contact Mr. Schnabel as I too was locked-in for 6 weeks and I am recovering now from a stroke as well which I suffered due to Vioxx when I was 43 yo? It was an almost life-ending stroke. I at the time was a marathon runner and in my age group No. 7 in the US. I've also experienced the communication by blinking. Please contact me be email or call at 240-441-1901.

    8. Sue Rawley  02/16/2008 02:41 AM Report

      Dear Charlie, would it be posssible for you to isolate the reading of the Schnabel poem and edit it to "Charlie's Videos" ? I'm sure all of us hungry dogs would eat it up. Thanks.

    9. Mike Cressy  02/16/2008 02:19 AM Report

      Julian Schnabel is a god awful, terrible painter and visual artist but is a fantastic, insightful, deep film maker. I look at his paintings and wonder why anyone would want them. The best you could say about his paintings is that they are playful. Anything beyond that is just sycophantic.

    10. Nancy  02/14/2008 06:51 PM Report

      Oh my god this is such a wonderful interview. The poem from Julian Schnabel's father just blew me away, as did this movie. I didn't think I'd like the movie, because I have a hard time with visual arts, but I am quadriplegic due to an accident, and the way this movie showed the experience of going in and out of your mind and remembering your past life opened something so deep in me that I couldn't stop sobbing.

      This movie captured the possibility of movies going anywhere the mind or the heart can go. It opened up dimensions that movies have yet to touch. Brilliant movie, brilliant work! Breathtaking poem. How anyone can say Julian Schnabel is a lousy artist is an absolute mystery to me! I wish this movie would open up a whole new way of looking at the human experience in cinema.

    11. henry  02/12/2008 11:56 PM Report

      Jullien is puzzling. I've tried to find reasons to respect his art-somewhat appreciating his movies compels me to try and "buy into" his paintings. I can't. I think he is a pop star painter and that means very little; his work is not inspired, rather calculated and contrived. He works hard at being a painter, but even in the interview, it's painfully obvious that he is at odds with himself. I think early fame swiftly deluded this megalomaniacal individual. Interestingly, when he talks about his art, he seems anything but confident. I'd say he's having a bit of a mid life crisis-realizing he should have perhaps gone to film school. If he wasn't such a j*** ass, I'd have more compassion. I just think that his film success while helping him to recognize that he never was gifted as a painter, on the same token keeps his stock strong. It's unfortunate that a bathrobe wearing poseur like him gets resurrected in the public eye. Personally, I found his critical analysis of his paintings to be very Youtube worthy-what a fraud.

    12. henry  02/12/2008 11:55 PM Report

      Jullien is puzzling. I've tried to find reasons to respect his art-somewhat appreciating his movies compels me to try and "buy into" his paintings. I can't. I think he is a pop star painter and that means very little; his work is not inspired, rather calculated and contrived. He works hard at being a painter, but even in the interview, it's painfully obvious that he is at odds with himself. I think early fame swiftly deluded this megalomaniacal individual. Interestingly, when he talks about his art, he seems anything but confident. I'd say he's having a bit of a mid life crisis-realizing he should have perhaps gone to film school. If he wasn't such a j*** ass, I'd have more compassion. I just think that his film success while helping him to recognize that he never was gifted as a painter, on the same token keeps his stock strong. It's unfortunate that a bathrobe wearing poseur like him gets resurrected in the public eye. Personally, I found his critical analysis of his paintings to be very Youtube worthy-what a fraud.

    13. a.n.  02/12/2008 02:29 AM Report

      terrible artist, mediocre filmmaker, and completely unlikeable person. i don't see why people loved this particular interview so much. this guy has a big problem thanking his collaborators on the film, which is completely unprofessional and dishonest. he has too many ego hang-ups to even list, he is very confrontational, and that's in an interview! uhg! diving bell easily his best film, but far from a masterpiece.

    14. John  02/10/2008 09:40 PM Report

      I've located the "healer" Julian mentions in the interview. Her name is Adele Reising and works in New York City.

      Adele Reising

      200 E 15th Street, New York, 10003

      T. 646.336.1280

    15. Betsey O'Toole  02/07/2008 04:32 PM Report

      I would be very interested in finding out the name and address of the "healer" that Julian spoke of, that he recommended to Charlie. thanks so much for all the work that you do.

    16. Francesca  02/06/2008 10:26 PM Report

      Very interesting interview, insightful. Thank you Mr. Rose.

      For those interested in the poem you can find it on the Diving Bell and the Butterfly website - click on 'news and links' then 'download poem from the director' http://www.thedivingbellandthebutterfly-themovie.com/poem.pdf

      In addition to the long list of accolades that Mr. Schnabel has already received, he will also be awarded the Medal Award from the School of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston this May. The Museum School Medal Award honors individuals who have made a significant and lasting impact on the art world, and recognizes their commitment to diversifying and communicating with the world through art. Thank you Mr. Schnabel.

    17. stephanie  02/06/2008 08:56 AM Report

      have family that have own a large schnabel painting ("meatballs") i appreciate it in its vastness and color, but do not believe that it is nearly worth what was paid for it- however, with that aside i was interested in the movie and did view part of your clips which intrigued me . what also intrigued me was his reference to a healer- couldn't get the name in the time of the interview would appreciate the info

    18. Beadle   02/05/2008 10:39 PM Report

      Why does Schnabel consistently get so hung up on everyone's perception of him and/or his work? He should get over himself and dwell in the world of his particular genius. I've seen all his films, one exponentially better than the next. The guy has mad gifts, he's a staggering talent - and everyone wants to put it on him because he knows it. Keep 'em coming Julian!

    19. Sue Rawley  02/05/2008 07:49 AM Report

      Dear Charlie, (I address you as Charlies because you feel like a very close friend!) Your reading of the poem was magical, I need to get a recording of it.

    20. Susan Hubbard  02/04/2008 04:13 PM Report

      Yet another incredible interview with an artist. These interviews do more to help us understand art than all the art appreciation shows and classes out there. One of the constants that repeatedly appears is that artists just "do" art -- whether it gets shown or ever finds an audience is important, but secondary to the primacy of the physical act of making the art and the ongoing innovation that evolves out of that.

    21. Sandra Cofran  02/04/2008 11:07 AM Report

      Yet another person longing to get a copy of Jack Schnabel's poem...what a fantastic piece of poetry!

    22. Stephen  02/04/2008 02:32 AM Report

      Dear Charlie Rose-

      I would love to have a copy of Mr.Schanbel's poem.

    23. Claire Yaffa  02/03/2008 12:00 PM Report

      How can I receive a copy of the poem, his father's words. Would also like to get in touch with Mr. Schnabel to show him my new photography project, "Divertissement" based on the writings of Pascal. His father's words would be a great addition to my photographs. Is it possible for you to forward my request to meet him. He can google who I am, Claire Yaffa, photographer to see my previous work. My new book Divertissement will go to press in China in March. I would love the opportunity to meet him before this. The poem was touching and true and universal. His father must have been a wonderful man and father.

      Thank you.

    24. jodywiley  02/02/2008 08:03 PM Report

      Watched the interview with Julian Schanbel the other night--immediately signed-on for the movie the next night----very very impressed! I, like others, would love to have a copy of Mr. Schanbel's poem---'Charlies" reading of it was perfect and obviously appreciated by 'Julian'. Thank you, Jody

    25. Debra Shobe  02/02/2008 01:08 PM Report

      My Dear Charlie and Julian,

      You are both a treasure which are highly valued. It takes a man like Charlie to draw direct questions that reach the heart of the artist.

      Thank you Julian for your love of mankind and showing society that this is something to be valued. Your fathers poetry made me relate to my own father who is still alive and strong, close to the same age, whom I love very much. The poem your father wrote had me crying and was extemely personal. It took strength to hear his words read and to not show emotion but I could see the pain in your eyes, which to me, are the true windows of your soul. Thank you both for sharing this to the world.

    26. Michael  02/02/2008 01:03 PM Report

      Dear Charlie Rose-

      For the last year, I have been addicted to watching "Charlie Rose". Your recent interview with Julien Schnabel was simply the best. In addition to being informative, provocative it appeared to be very personal. On that note, your reading of Julien Schnabel's father's poem was captivating. It appears I am not alone with regard to this impression. Nor am I alone in wanting a copy of the poem's text. Is it available?

      Thanks to you, PBS and all your sponsors for bringing us closer to interesting people and topics.

    27. andrew  02/02/2008 06:08 AM Report

      re: maureen colvin's comment.. well, the thing you, see, maureen, that sam kinison is dead, darling... yeah..since 1992, i'm afraid.. still wanna help out with your casting suggestions?

    28. Judy Gail  02/02/2008 12:50 AM Report

      I forgot one thing: Maybe the Metropolitan Museum (I think it was the Met) will unearth the painting, which it may have in storage, that Julian Schnabel did of his parents. It was spiteful on the museum representative's part to remove the painting instead of honoring Schnabel's request that it be hung a bit lower.

      Many of us would be interested in seeing it, particularly when one considers the success of the film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and knowing (from an earlier interview) that Schnabel really made the film with his father in mind. His father was afraid of dying, as Schnabel said he himself was. He couldn't quell his father's fears but he said he had made the film for other fathers--and one would assume, wives, and daughters, and sons.

    29. Judy Gail  02/02/2008 12:35 AM Report

      A thrilling interview with Julian Schnabel!

      I've been watching the Charlie Rose show nightly for the last 16 years, and this was just one of the best. A standout. Mr. Schnabel and Mr. Rose obviously share a great deal of rapport, a friendship, and I think that was a big factor in the alchemy last night.

      This is my favorite interview on the CR show followed by the interviews with the architect Philip Johnson and also those with Nathan Myrvold.

    30. t-max  02/01/2008 10:47 PM Report

      I'm rather surprised by the considerable positive feedback on this particular show. I largely agree with the Comment by Michael Nokken. I found this show very hard to watch and did, in fact, turn it off well before the end -- a rare event even when I'm not particularly interested in the guest(s) or subject matter. If I start watching, I'm generally hooked.

      In this case, you seemed positively confrontational with Mr. Schnabel (whom I had not heard of prior to your interview) and he seemed very uncomfortable at times. He even said as much at one point.

      I believe that you are a lawyer, if only by education. I don't know if you ever practiced law. I am a long-practicing attorney and your interview reminded me of a very confrotational deposition -- which any even-modestly skilled attorney knows is counterproductive. The point is to gain knowlege and information -- not to bully or impress the deponent. And certainly not to put words in his mouth, fer cryin' out loud! When you make people uncomfortable, they tend to clam up (and also distort, evade, avoid, confront ....)

      As for Mr. Schnabel, I found him quite unlikeable. I realize he's an "artist" and a "character," but I'm not impressed. If he'd at least buttoned up his shirt I might have hung in a bit longer. Sheesh! Maybe he's just going through a Tony Manero phase? Where was the Italian horn? Gimme SOMETHING to distract my eye, could ya?

      The guy seems to have a serious hang-up regarding being "misunderstood." Gee, what a shock. Why would anyone want to understand this fellow? Seems like a lot of work for not a lot of reward.

      This one should have been a half hour or less. He wasn't entertaining, he wasn't informative, he wasn't interesting and he certainly wasn't attractive. And I couldn't care less about whatever hang-ups he may have. He seemed like a poser and a bit of a jerk to me.

      But then again, I could be wrong.

    31. fran canisius  02/01/2008 08:22 PM Report

      two people asked what the music was as you closed the schnabel interview...it was Tom Waits "All the world is green"...it was perfect

    32. fran canisius  02/01/2008 08:12 PM Report

      the interview was totally fabulous and your reading of his father's "poem" was so great charlie...you must have some acting experience in your past - you did the best job very free and expressive...brought a tear to these eyes and i'm sure schnabel was duly moved...thanks so much for your program...keep it comin'

    33. Josh  02/01/2008 07:49 PM Report

      Mr. Rose you read Mr. Schnabel's Father's poem beautifully. I think it was on of the best reading of a poem I ever heard. I wish I could have a copy of that poem. I like to consider my self a poet, and that poem humbled me. It was a masterpiece. I was sitting with my 8 month old daughter when I heard the Line "Is the Baby asleep" It just said everything. That poem really contains so much that matters in regards to life and death. The whole interview was terrific. Mr. Schnabel was a fantastic interview.

    34. maureen colvin  02/01/2008 07:35 PM Report

      Yes, him again. This interview reminded me of something I once read in an interview with John Lurie (who also sees Schnable as a theif and a poser)- why would he cast Gary Oldman to play himself in "Basquait" - and not Sam Kinnison.

    35. Christie Anderson  02/01/2008 07:18 PM Report

      Mr. Rose: Watching and listening to your discourse with Julian Schanbel last night was indeed inspiring from a creative standpoint. I so admire Mr. Schanbel's artistic vulnerability and am delighted to experience his aesthetic in more than one genre.

    36. Edward  02/01/2008 06:28 PM Report

      Again, not him.

    37. Betty Rhodes  02/01/2008 04:29 PM Report

      Charle~

      You rock, as they used to say. I've watched you for years and I've never been bored. You ask the touch questions, but with a heart. you ask the questions that I would like to know the answers to, always. I enjoyed the January 31, 2008 show with Julian Schnabel very, very much. Please let me know the music that played as the show was ending. It was very soulful jazz. It gave me goosebumps. I loved it.

    38. Paul  02/01/2008 04:20 PM Report

      what song played at the end of the show??? ANyone...Please?

    39. Mary MacDonald  02/01/2008 02:46 PM Report

      Charlie, your interview with Julian Schnabel was superb. I think because you trusted him and let him go a bit and went deeply with him. He wandered around as artists and creative people do in a non-linear way. You kept him on track just enough. And we got a great interview with an obviously very smart, talented human being.

    40. Michael Nokken  02/01/2008 02:14 PM Report

      Dear Mr. Rose, I enjoy the broad-reaching scale of topics in your shows. You have an impressive ability to relate to many types of subjects and personalities. Your interview with Julian Schnabel, however, felt to me very "sub-par". I had not known of Julian prior to your show. Just seeing him (his manner of dress, body language, etc.)was immediately informative and then when he would get into a flow of discourse, it positively shaped my new and growing understanding of him. I have known a few characters like him over the years. They seem to provoke reactivity easily. But "these types" of which I am referring to often exhibit more vulnerabilty and depth than their outer presentation invites. Julian ventured into that territory a few times during your interview but you very often interupted him, immediately overwhelming the beginning of his response with another question, to which you would interupt him again, or even provide your own answer. What you had cultivated in bringing him out a bit appeared gone about mid-to-late interview. He seemed to shut down by then - or rather - was shut down by some reaction or agenda or pressure you were manifesting (in my opinion) during those segments. I had the strong feeling that Julian by then must have been thinking "oh shit, its happening. This interviewer is putting words in my mouth. My God, will he just let me answer? No, that's not what I mean! Damn, Charlie, I thought that you - of anyone - could hang out with me in this format. This is exactly why I hate these sorts of conversations"...Charlie, if there are times when you "review the game" so to speak, I feel this is a good time to watch the tape of the interview. I was at first turned off by Julian's manner, quickly tuned in into his eloquence when substantive communication took place, then painfully turned off when the interaction seemed to be steered toward a cliched back-and-forth between someone who wanted "it" in a few minutes, and someone who in a rare moment was willing to offer up something gleaned from an unconventional but meaningful lifetime.

    41. Carol Storoz  02/01/2008 01:34 AM Report

      Your interview with Jullien Schnabel was brilliant, just brilliant! He is brilliant; you were brilliant! I also loved your reading of the poem.

      Sincerely yours,

      Carol Storoz

      Vancouver, BC

      ps May I suggest you interview our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper...he is a very interesting guy.

    42. Dexter J. Epps  01/30/2008 03:36 PM Report

      Dear Mr. Rose:

      I have enjoyed watching you report the news on CBS News' Nightwatch and 60 Minutes, and now on PBS.

      I recently received an e-mail about the North American Union and VCHIP Truth. I have not seen or heard anything about these subjects on any network news program or otherwise. Have you? Mr. Rose, I ask you to please do research on these topics because President Bush has signed an agreement with Mexico and Canada that will include the United States in the formation of the North American Union. According to the YouTube presentation, our country's sovereignty based on its constitution will no longer exist.

      I do not put anything pass President Bush who stole a presidential election and send our troops to war under false pretenses. Please also find out what is going on in Darfur. The media has seemingly forgot about the people in the Sudan region.

      Thank you.