A discussion about Race & Gender

with Patricia J. Williams, Jon Meacham, Fletcher N. Smith and Ruth Marcus
in Current Affairs
on Monday, January 14, 2008 * * * * *

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A continued discussion about race & gender in the Presidential campaigns with Jon Meacham of Newsweek, Patricia J. Williams of The Nation, Ruth Marcus of The Washington Post and Rep. Fletcher N. Smith, Jr. of South Carolina.

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John Edwards

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    1. a shivers  03/19/2008 02:06 AM Report

      THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN --NO POLICIES --STATESMAN LIKE --STAND ON CONSTITUTION--SOCIAL SECURITY--FIXING--ROADS-- WHAT OR WHO LOSES OR WINS--IN HIS WHITE HOUSE--BECAUSE ITS NOT ANYWHERE --ONE PRESIDENT HAS RUINED- WHOS NEXT MUST NOW START UNDO THAT DAMAGE AND OBAMA HAS NO PLAN --OR DEFINED AGENDA FOR AMERICA JUST B.S.--SUBSTANCE IS A LIFE DEDICATED IN THE PURSUIT OF SURE KNOWLEDGE--OF --ONE NATION,UNDER GOD--LED BY REALISTS--NOT DREAMERS--I.E. HILLARY

    2. Alexandre de Calonne  03/18/2008 05:56 PM Report

      Is this narrative truly unfolding spontaneously? Thank God the writersâ?? strike is over. Welcome to Barack Obama and the Cherry Tree comedy. We had a kick out of Jimmy Carter and the Cherry Tree comedy already. That is some sequel there. Keep up the good work.

    3. kathy mae  01/15/2008 02:27 PM Report

      Boring show, couldn't even stay awake, but I do agree with Doris, about that ending comment by Meacham. And Michael's comment about the Republicans and Independents is a good point. I am right now reading "Audacity of Hope" by Barack Obama, excellent read. I am learning a lot about politics that I needed to know. I would love to be one of his students. I as a white woman, baby boomer and Non Party voter, am excited to vote for someone like Obama, and for the first time in my life I am supporting someone instead of voting against someone.

      I am trying to learn all I can. And by the way as far as race; I for one don't believe in colorblindness...I love all the colors of the garden and would never consider being colorblind. I could never pick a color, only one color to decorate my garden or house with, I never had a favorite color that I could name; and the same with people, let's enjoy and celebrate all the Earth's diversity and beautiful shapes and colors. Keep the dialogue going...

      Kathy Mae

    4. Michael B. Williams  01/15/2008 01:48 PM Report

      I am an African American male and life long Democrat who really wants to see a Democrat in the White House with a very simple perspective on this election. This is the first Presidential election in thirty + years I have heard Republican acquaintances of mine say they are seriously considering a Democrat for President as something other than a lesser of two evils. But if Clinton gets the Democratic nomination it will absolutely, positively unite every Republican and many Independents in a way they have never been united before because of their hatred first and foremost of Bill Clinton. Remember, these are the same people who shook their heads, held their noses and barely voted Bush in office his first time around even though he was an embarrsment to them. And even though some Republicans and Independents voted Democrat or not at all when Bush was re-elected it was not enough in the overal scheme of things to keep him from returning to the White House.

      For Republicans it is truly anybody but Hillary, the one almighty unifiying force of Republicans this year and they will prevail in this election if she is the nominee. But,if Obama wins the Democratic nomination it will be the first time in a long time since many Republicans, Independents, high schoolers, young adults and others who pay little atention to elections of any kind will seriously consider and possibility vote for a Presidential candidate who inspires. Among other things Obama gives them the 'audacity of hope' in thinking that this might be the beginning of the end of the politics of divisiveness and negative campaigning. And if elected; maybe, just maybe, Democrat and Republican politicians will for once work more for the common good of Americans and the world more than they do for themselves and special interests.

      Keep up the good work Charlie. God Bless you.

      Michael B. Williams

    5. Kevin  01/15/2008 11:03 AM Report

      For a brief moment it appeared that the democrats started to transcend race and gender. The democrats were becoming the party of leadership, vision, and ideas. However, I fear that in the end the democratic primary will be about race and gender. The negative consequences of this could spill over into the general election. Unfortunately Obama is being transformed into a â??black,â?? rather than a candidate with leadership and vision. In addition, Clinton is being transformed into a â??womanâ?? candidate. If the primary is a decision between race and gender then I think Clinton fairs better, if it is about leadership and vision then Obamaâ??s chances improves.

    6. Amy  01/15/2008 04:58 AM Report

      Personally, I'm offended that Hillary is comparing herself to Lyndon Johnson! In all seriousness, it's doubtful that any politician alive today, would be able to accomplish what he did, in terms of getting the civil rights legislation passed, in the atmosphere that existed in those days.

      At least on the civil rights issue, Johnson had the courage of his convictions, and was willing to take an enormous political risk, by putting all of his political capital on the line, in order to get the bill through Congress. While it's difficult to say whether Obama has that kind of fortitude, Hillary's record does not support the theory that she is willing to take courageous stands, especially when it comes to red meat, right wing issues, such as flag burning, and national security. The reason some Democrats, including myself, are unhappy with her, has nothing to do with race or gender, but with a noticeable pattern of caving on issues that many of us care deeply about.

      The only person I know who is for Hillary, happens to be a man. While every single woman I know, feels that what they thought they knew about her, before she ran for the Senate, was a misconception. They see the last seven years as a promise, unfulfilled.

    7. Robert  01/15/2008 02:17 AM Report

      With all due respect, I believe this discussion completely missed the mark with regards to the heart of the issue.

      As a fervent Barack Obama supporter, I think I speak for most of us in saying that this focus on race and gender is not the center of the debate.

      Quite to the contrary, what absolutely infuriates Obama supporters is the Clintonian spin, dirty tactics of constantly having 'pit-bull' Clinton supporters taking cheap shots on their behalf. There is a deep deep feeling, not only among Obama supporters, but many Republicans and Independents, that within the Clinton camp there is little regard for truth and fair play and authenticity; a perception that the Clintons will do and say anything, no matter how underhanded, to win what they perceive as the office to which they are entitled. Moreover, Obama supporters are dumbfounded that others either choose not to see this behavior, defend it, or secretly revel in admiring what they think political shrewdness, however lowball the strategy sinks.

    8. Doris Syfax Rhea  01/15/2008 02:01 AM Report

      It was clear to me that Rep. Fletcher Smith, Jr of South Carolina was a Hillary Clinton supporter because he said so. and that's okay I decided early on that John Meacham was a closet Hillary Clinton supporter, which was okay. I was really into what I thought was an intelligible discussion about race and gender politics. That was until the comment that John Meacham made about what was supposedly said to him by a black woman colleague infuriated me. According to Meacham the woman felt that Sen. Obama's put down of Hillary Clinton was a reflection of every Black man's put down of women that she had heard, and so she was changing her support from Obama to Hillary Clinton because of it. I view Meacham's comments as an attack on the run and very offensive. These comments should would better left unsaid and had no place in tonight's discussion. How dare he reference Barack Obama with such negative hearsay at the end of the show. He should not have done so and he should have not quoted someone's statement to him that can not be validated and therefore has no validity. It was a hatchet job. It left a very bitter taste.

    9. Daniel Mitchell  01/15/2008 12:58 AM Report

      On tonight's show you mentioned Hillary Clinton's long paper trail and "service" in the White House during the 90's. Being First Lady, First Daughter or First Son doesn't necessasarily equate to Presidential qualifying experience. As a nationally respected "non partisan" interviewer, I think you should be more careful.