Charlie Rose

ibel  11/18/2008 04:59 PM Report

'Concerned's quoite below is one of SCORES of Fraudulent Zionist quotes.

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"...Benny Morris, for example, claims in his book 'The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem', that the Israeli leader David Ben Gurion wrote to his son,

“We must expel Arabs and take their places,”

which fits quite well with the assertion that Israel banished the Palestinians.

But Professor Efraim Karsh, in his book

Fabricating Israeli History: The New Historians, Refutes this, showing that the Ben Gurion letter actually states the OPPOSITE,

“We do NOT wish and do NOT need to expel Arabs and take their places.”

(Karsh, p. 46-51)

And this is just one of the Many examples of Fraud and misrepresentation Karsh exposes in the work of Morris, Shlaim, et. al.

http://www.theworld.com/~camera/docs/alert/nprbtf.html

Almardi  12/15/2007 06:22 PM Report

I would rather pick Iran to be our strategic ally rather than Israel because Israel does not has any influence, oil, or even the right policies in the Middle East. I would be saving billions of $s spend on the Israelis in an annually base even though their economy is better than ours. We buy them best military equipment that our own troops donâ??t have, taken in consideration that our troops are the actual fighter. Iraq, Iran, and Syria have no reason to harm us in any way and they cannot afford to do so. There is nothing called religions conflict between us and the Muslims because they believing Jesus and Mousses as prophets from their same God. So, the allegations about Muslims hate Christians or Jews is just an excuse to drive our nation to hate Muslims and to go to unnecessary wars in the Middle East. We lost thousands of our brothers and sisters in the line of fire protecting others countries. Now we are paying for these brainless foreign policies, our economy is suffering big time, we lost our image as a world leader, weâ??re paying higher gas prices, which is increases the inflation rate to hit 4.2% . Our former communist enemy is managing our dept. Is this America? Letâ??s open our eyes and look for the interest of our America because we cannot afford to let China, Russia, or any other country to take over our position as the world leader. Israel has the right to exist and so as the Palestinian; letâ??s just push both sides to come up fair solutions that satisfy both countries. may God bless our beloved America!

Concerned  12/13/2007 02:21 PM Report

"Clint Sharpe" You are so funny I think Suterday night live show would take you in a heart beat. In fact, I heard they re looking for funny person to add to their cast, apply with them you have a good chance of securing a position, if not as a cast member may be as a writer.

The reason for Israeli having low birthrate has many factors the main factor being: Israelis enjoy life, it would be difficult to have many kids and enjoy life as much as they do right now. High birthrate populations are considered less productive. Because, the more babies one has the more time one requires to tend to the needs of the children. Also, Arabs proliferate like rabits, almost all Islamic society have a law that wuld allow for a man to marry over four wives intentionally done to increase their numbers. Essentially Arab/Islamic women are baby factories, they are only good to make as many babies as the men want. We call that oppressive system here in North America, nowadays even the Arab/Islamic women are getting the message and adapting western like life style, enjoy life more and have less babies. Israel leads a western cultured life style, one way it is good in another it is threatening explosition Arab population in the area. Having a secured border and two state solution would certainly solve the problem of being threatened by over population explosion. In addition, as more and more Arabs begin to increase their zest for life their populations will dwindle.

Gina  12/12/2007 12:39 PM Report

Well (John), Israel does have the right to exist. Just as you do. How could you disagree with that. It is interesting that you would use the word (immoral?) to define my belief in the Bible. And so I put the question to you. Where do you get your morality or shall I say, immorality whichever the case may be. What doctrine is it that you subscribe to? Do not be so arrogant to tarry along in your little quip as to what is intelligent discussion and what is not. Sorry to ruin your day. Mine is going just fine...(smile)

John   12/11/2007 09:09 AM Report

Concerning Gina's remarks: they truly did put an end to the very interesting argument that had been developing in this discussion, for there really is no need to continue intelligent conversation with people who still immorally believe that the Bible, a book written and conceived by man in order to further his selfish agenda, GIVES Isreal the right to exist.

Gina  12/11/2007 06:12 AM Report

This is a biblical ancient pot that has been boiled down and brewing over hot flames for thousands of years since the Jews finally stopped wandering the desert for 40 years, gained courage through King David (whose great grandmother by the way was Ruth, a gentile). They finally went in to rightfully take the land that GOD gave them. It is a war between two books. For centuries, people have complicated the story, the truth, the simple truth and that is. The Torah and the Quran. The Holy Bible was written for the (gentiles). GOD gave, GAVE that land to the Jews. It took them 40 years to gain the courage to win it and the fighting has never stopped. The Lord gave the land to the Jews to be their own homeland, plain & simple because the Palestinians had been sinning upon that land. It was taken away from them as punishment for their worship of BAAL and sin. It is historically the conflict between the two. If you are a Jew, you will support the Torah, the word of GOD that gave you the right to the land. If you are a Christian, you will support the Holy Bible that supports the word of GOD who gave the land to the Jews. If you are not, if you are Islamic, if you are Arab, or anything other than, you will not support GODâ??s decision. You will say different and you HAVE said different. People refuse to say that and people refuse to address that. A (conditional peace) as you put it was attempted by Ariel Sharon who gave away a vital piece of the land GOD gave specifically to the Jews, the Gaza strip. Everything the Jews stand on that land for is BASED upon that. WHAT WAS HE THINKINGGGGGG???? I was SHOCKED to say the least and yet it was absolutely NO surprise when I learned of Ariel Sharonâ??s unfortunate fall into what is now a (permanent) comatose state with no chance of recovery. I believe it was (as punishment) by GOD Almighty, himself for his betrayal. For those of you who KNOW. As the world continues to expand and grow towards more and more of the evil within it, you must understand that there will always be this conflict. It will never change. It is written that this conflict between the two books which has always been in conflict for centuries since the Jews moved onto the land will continue to escalate. It will never be over and it should not be expected to be over as it is affirmed by the inspired written word of (GOD Almighty) himself, UNTIL as my Holy Bible is written, Jesus returns. To the author who said that for Iran to gain nuclear weaponry to pass on to the Hezbollah who would suicide bomb half of Israel? Even if that were to remotely happen, it will NEVER kill all of the Jews because GOD Almighty will not allow it.

Clint Sharpe  12/11/2007 05:27 AM Report

A democratic and non-racist Israel would be OK. Otherwise it will go the way of Apartheid South Africa:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0914/p09s01-coop.htm

Clint Sharpe  12/11/2007 05:22 AM Report

Concerned,

If it was not so distressing it would be amusing that you really think your God allowed you to kick out another people from Palestine.

The founders of Israel knew what they were up to -- here are some quotes from David Ben Gurion:

"We must expel the Arabs and take their places."

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Concerned  12/11/2007 01:10 AM Report

Answer to "Clint Sharpe"

What you have written is called "DEFLECTION" from the omnipresent and clear danger looming from Iran's weapons of mass destruction, to associate it to the Palestinian cause is bogus. Your other bogus is 'the creation of Israel wiped out Palestine,' Israel's existence did not cause the disappearance of Palestine, rather Arabs played a major role in the disappearance of Palestine. Hence, stop blaming tIsrael just because she won all her defenssive wars. If it were not for the repetitive invasions organized by the Arab states, this would not have happened. Everyone recognizes the lengthy hardship faced by some of the innocent Arabs outside of Israel's God given natural borders. But that can only be viewed in the prism of the ongoing peace processes, which can be blamed on human errors and irresponsible leadership from the Arab side as well as the continuos threat of suicide killers. Palestinians had several chances to make peace and get their land, but they opted for eradicating Israel again and time gain instead of committing themselves to co-existence in peace. Now after having lost several attempts to destroy Israel they are crying wolf, and people like you continue to misinform the average person the truth of what really happened prior to all the difficulties you described above. You also mentioned '700,000 Arabs were evicted so Jews can live there,' you forgot to mention that the Arabic and Islamic countries in the region -from Iraq to Morocco- expelled as many Jews after confiscating their belongings. My question to you is: Why don't those countries that evicted Jews absorb the Arabs displaced by war?

To the contrary of your assumption Israel did not evict Arabs intentionally to make the condition as is today, no one expected the situation would get to the way it is today, except it all come to be due to Arab leaders irresponsibility and deeply rooted hate against Jews. As you indicated in your wrongly written piece, since the end of WWI Jews have always wanted to come back to their God given natural land, and the British prevented and discouraged them from returning back to their land. Many brave and young Jewish freedom fighters died fighting for their rights of return to their God given natural land. When they asked for a piece of land that they can develope and call home, the Arabs refused. By the way you must also know that the many of the Arabs calling themleves "Palestinian" are originally Egyptians who used to live and work there following their British colonial masters as the Brits fought and won over the Ottoman Empire to gain the present day Israel from the Turks whome by the way favored the Arabs due to religious affiliations in all ways of administration.

There is also other dimensions you should have considered when you raised the issue of displaced Arabs -[by the way they were displaced not cleansed\â?? just displaced due to war their leaders and neighboring Arabic nations intentionally started, you must not forget the fact that had they had succeeded in their quest they would have evicted Jews from their God given natural land. So let's not dwell on the past now, just work with what is in front of us. So long as there is sporadic violence from the Islamic fanatics imbedded in their society it can only get worse and difficult to attain or even consider peace, while everyone wishes to live in peace all the necessary pre-requisites have to b met so there will be a livable peace. For now though, it is better to aim for equilibrium where there is a conditional peace for the two parties to work on further rather than achieve lasting peace. This may not fully satisfy everyone, but whereby it creates a conditional and momentary livable peace is established to give further negotiation a chance. Having a scary country and rabid leader wagging his finger at Israel does not help the situation, instead the Iranians can take some of displaced innocent Arabs due to war. The same goes to all the Arabic and Islamic countries that deported Jews right after the re-birth of the Jewish state recognized and partition 60 years ago, as well as after the two wars organized by all Arabs in the region to invade and cleanse Israel. Fortunately, the Jewish God made sure that was not the case and blew the wind of victory right out of the Arabs and turned it against their forces. With respect to Israel being an aggressor of the last war against Hizbollah from Lebanon and Syria is nothing but a lie, Hizbollah has wedged war against Israel since it's inception and continues to do that as you read this reply. It is financed by Syria and Iran, and that is why Iran must not attain the technology to develop nuclear weapon. If they manage to attain that technology, then they will certainly pass it to their protege Hizbollah to do the suicide mission to kill half of the population of Israel.

VOICE  12/10/2007 10:00 PM Report

MR. Ambasador of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF MULLAHS, YOU TALK OF LEGITIMACY. IS YOUR REGIME OF MULLAHS LEGITIMATE? ! IT IS BY FORCE.

A BUNCH OF LOW CLASS ROOTLESS IN CONTROL OF THE NATION OF IRAN BY FORCE. SINCE 1979, THE CULTURE HAS DECLINED TO THE POOREST LEVEL/STANDARD IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF IRAN.

YOUR CLAIM OF THE STATUS OF WOMEN UNDER YOUR REGIME IS A JOKE, TO SAY THE LEAST. YOUR REGIME IS A DISGRACE TO THE IRANIAN RICH HISTORY.

Podorse  12/10/2007 07:29 PM Report

At one point in the interview, this man raved about how great the Iranian culture is. If the culture is great it is because of the years under the Shah. The demise of the Perisan culture occured because of Islam. The Islamic revolution in Iran is the end of everything. As much as I love the American liberals, they are naiive about Iran. Islam is a religion that is connected to no civilization. These people are are illiterate boobs and dangerous to civilization.

Time for spiked tea?  12/10/2007 06:30 PM Report

wake up call! This isnt the 30's! Iran doesn't have nukes, Israel does! The only country to have dropped the bomb is the US - TWICE! I am so tired of people urging us to violence - first Saddam was Hitler...and now he has move to Iran. Best way to unplug Iran is finally make a fair deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Enough already.

Clint Sharpe  12/10/2007 06:28 PM Report

Is it a foregone conclusion that Israel has right to exist? Israel's very creation wiped the nation of Palestine off of the map.

Furthermore, it is a nuclear-armed, racist, apartheid state that has attacked two of its neighbors (Syria and Lebanon) in the last two years. See the Letters in WSJ today:

http://online.wsj.com/page/2_0048.html

Questioning Middle East Assumptions

As an American Jew, I find Bernard Lewis' Commentary "On the Jewish Question," (op-ed, Nov. 26) lacking. I was taught in Hebrew School that we Jews returned to a land of empty swamps and created a great country. That idea is proven false by the fact that 700,000 Palestinian men, women and children were made refugees. The elephant that no one seems willing to talk about is whether Palestinians get to return to their homes in Israel.

Given that Jews came to Palestine to create a Jewish state and had to take the land away from the Palestinians living there, there's no way to call the Palestinians the aggressors in this conflict. If Palestinians were allowed to return to their homes and Hamas is involved and accepting of such a plan, we would have peace.

Steve Feldman

Winston-Salem, N.C.

Professor Lewis' sound argument about Arab acceptance of Israel's existence has one technical flaw. The two examples he cites of population exchange (India-Pakistan, Germany-Poland) involved groups that were both long-time residents in the disputed territory. In the case of Palestine however, despite the continuous existence a small Jewish community, the Jews had only recently returned en masse after an absence of 1,700 years. Moreover, this influx occurred under British/League of Nations protection and over the violent objections of the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims who had lived in and dominated that part of the world for over a millennium.

A good case can be made that large-scale Jewish immigration to Palestine was justified for humanitarian reasons. And partition/population exchange may have been a fair solution once a large Jewish population existed in Palestine. But the Palestinians still have a legitimate grievance for being forced by outside powers to endure the anomalous return of the Jews, 1918-47, which then led to the normative partition/population exchange that Professor Lewis defends.

Gary L. Goldman

Pacific Palisades, Calif.

For a realistic assessment see:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0914/p09s01-coop.htm

patrick  12/10/2007 06:14 PM Report

Tough interview - very difficult to know the right balance to strike. That is, it must have been difficult for Charlie to know how much to push and how much to let Iran's ambassador to simply state his case. On the whole I think Charlie did a very good job trying to balance these two considerations. The conversation raised many important issues - one that is highlighted for me, though, was simply the importance for the American people to continue to look at these issues and think about them. The role of Iran in the Middle East will continue to be an issue of much concern to public policy makers in this country for years and years to come. The more the American public knows about this region of the world, and Iran in particular, therefore the better. Thanks Charlie for the interview - keep up the good work! Patrick

Concerned  12/10/2007 05:22 PM Report

This guy does not want to spell it out, but I can sense he would like to say it loud that Iran has the intentions to wipe out Israel from the Map o the world. His president (Amadinajad)has stated Iran's intentions not too long ago, and their intention is to wipe Israel out of the world map once they secure the technology to purify the yellow cake to grade that will allow them to use it in a weapon system. That is a very sobering statement coming out of the leader of a country, we have to believe the president's statement more than what this guy is saying. It is also funny to hear this guy that their regime has no intention to recognize Israel, eventhough Israel is the only full fledged democractic state that has been recognized by the international community for the last 60 years. Yet, it is not good enough for Iran to follow the suite of the world in that respect? That is what makes you think the worst, Iran would launch a nuclear weapon against Israel the next day if they manage to stave off full cooperation with the IAEA long enough to deceive the international community into conning it that they are only interested in safe enery harnessing program. If Iran is allowed to attain the technology to develop to harness the power of nuclear energy will certainly change it into a developed mass destruction weapon system in no time. The recent report coming out is designed with fear of a looming war in mind, and it cannot be trusted as a report to reflect the reality on the ground. I wish Iran opens its door to the IAEA, so many of us can feel safe.

Michael Lang  12/10/2007 03:15 PM Report

Charlie,

When you ask a question, you should shut up and let the guy answer the question you asked. If you want to have a debate with the Iranian ambassador

you should get a third unbiased party to moderate the debate. Are you having an Illicit affair with Chris Matthews. I still do not understand why we continue to demonize this country. Most of the harm that has been done, has been to them by us. This is a country that has not initiated a war against any other country in 250 years. How can we impose sanctions against them for enriching uranium for peaceful purposes , which is allowed under the NPT agreement while completely ignoring the fact that Israel has over 200 nuclear bombs , missiles to deliver them and has two submarines which can deliver nuclear payloads. Why does Israel who has nuclear weapons get a pass, while these guys get hammered. Would it not make more sense to insist that both countries give up both present and future nuclear weapons.

Jennispurr  12/10/2007 06:55 AM Report

Why are we protecting Israel? Can they not protect themselves?

Sam Saqfalhait  12/06/2007 08:42 PM Report

The plot is really thickening here! Now, which is it: Did Iran halt a real military nuclear program, already in progress, as a result of international pressure (American invasion of Iraq), or was it the CIA that dreamed these new â??findingsâ?? up in order to make things sound like the Iranians chickened out (like Kaddafi did) when it became clear to them that they could be bombed and thus score additional points for Bush? Where do facts end and where does fiction begin? That is an intriguing saga here indeed.