A conversation with Jeffrey Sachs, Richard Stengel & Caroline Kennedy

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A conversation with Richard Stengel, managing editor of "Time" & Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, Director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University and Caroline Kennedy. The panel will discuss Time magazine's cover story on National Service.

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    1. Dr_Murray_M_Morgan  07/19/2008 05:20 AM Report

      An "SPECIAL" Way OF Birth That Renders THE Power To Rule And ExploitThe "ORDINARY" Non-Westerners:

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      If you could be a superhero - one not already in existence - what would your special powers be? What would your name be?

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      My special power:

      calling the conscience of people to become a non-prejudiced, fair/just, nongreedy, loyal/faitful, kind and giving to become happy.

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      My name: Super-Conscience Caller

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      Here is an advice from me:

      Is this the way to treat others?

      (see the "Testimony of William J. Burns ..." after these)

      Is this the way to treat others?

      (Clink the link at the end to read the "Testimony of William J. Burns ..." )

      July 17, 2008

      SERVANT Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sen. Christopher Todd, Sen. Shelby, …

      Remember that on the Judgment day, in the presence of God, I will held you responsible, and ask you if you conveyed these words to the People’s-SERVANTS in the legislative, judiciary, executive branches AND to the Press/Media.

      Please, tell them not act as if you are GUARDIAN of people. Act as SERVANT of people.

      I wish you well and a swift recovery SERVANT Ted Kennedy. Please convey this message to all other SERVANTS of people in Senate, Congress, White House, and other institutions of the government and Judiciary branch; to: a) start acting as being SERVANT of people, b)start earning their salary, c) stop acting as being the GUARDIAN of people -- as i.e. parents as the Guardian of their underage/retarded/incapacitated children/offspring.

      To everybody in the legislative, judiciary, executive branches AND to the Press/Media:

      Remember that on the Judgment day, you will be held responsible for your arrogant/cruel/unjust/rights-denying/exploitating/pirating-actions/treatment of the non-Westerners because, we the Westerners, the "better than the others -- the non-Westerners", who think that we are are “better than them” due to the “SPECIAL” manner of our birth; falling off the ASS's HOLE/Vulva [whereas the manner of the birth of non-Westerners is via the “ORDINARY” birth-canal; exiting the vulva of their mothers which makes them "subhuman"-non-Westerners WITH LESS rights than us. That is, because of our falling-off the Ass-hole, we acquire the right to RULE on them, to look down at them, to exploit them and their resources, and consider what is theirs as ours. The reason for this way of my talking to power is to make it sink in the minds (of those who forget the fact that they [are just like any other person on the earth\ sent/elected as the SERVANTs of the people to, without infringing on the RIGHTS of other people on the earth, advance the WILL of the peoplein the institutions of their government.

      Servants of people, Servant Speaker Peloci and Servant Chairman John Conyers,

      You are there to, on behalf of people to legislate and watch for the interest of people NOT to act as if you are GUARDIAN of people (under-age children/retards).

      It is not up to you to veto the will of the people.

      There is danger of starting another act of aggression against the very peaceful nation of Iran . Warmongers/Military Industrial Complex (MIC)/illegitimate desire of Israel are after destroying what Iranians, on their own, have achieved in technological advances/military industry; to keep Iran from joining the developed countries. IAEA through more than 250 thorough/intruding inspections (that we will not tolerate a second of it -- despite of our annual manufacturing of 50 modern atomic bombs) has concluded that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful. But illegitimate power houses/MIT and the cancerous big corporations that are after exploitation of resources of Iran, want to bombard Iran anyway to keep Iran dependant so that she is forced to buy arms and goods from them at astronomical prices until she, due to no longer having OIL to sell, becomes poor like African countries that are left on their own to fend for themselves. These power house/MIT/Corporations do not want democracy for Iran .

      Since when the burden is on the accused? Iran is not making atomic bomb.

      SERVANT President/Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen,

      I, as the soul of the nation/humanity, order you all [SERVANTS of people\, to stop bullying Iran . Who has given you the authority to pass sanctioning resolution against Iran -- to freeze assets, put blockade on Iranian ships in Persian Gulf; in their backyard waterways by our faraway [bully, coercing, extortionist, pirate\ country? You the SERVANTS of us, the people, have no right to order our forces to act as pirates in Persian Gulf for a spoiled country, the Israel (that has more than 200 atomic war-heads BUT dares to lecture the peaceful nation of Iran that has a peaceful nuclear program according to the NNPT guidelines/IAEA). I, Dr. Murray M. Morgam, as the collective-soul of humanity/nation/people, order you to pass a resolution to pull out all our forces from Persian Gulf and vicinity and bring them back to home and start to make the military very small, to a size that is necessary to defend any attack on our country here in the USA.

      Who the hell you think are? Era of colonialism is passed. How dare you decide to dance to the lead of Senator Lieberman to block Iran ’s ships/assets and dare to inspect their cargo. We have made mocquery of the UNSC. Iran is a peaceful country. I, Dr. Murray M. Morgam, as the collectivesoul of humanity/nation/people, order you to start EARNING your salary by spending your time on the issues that you have authority (according to the Constitution); on the domestic issues. Start earning your salary and act on people’s will; pass law to dismantle our atomic bombs and pass law to prohibit our country to make new/or upgrade our atomic bombs. That is what you have to spend your time on.

      We all, know it very well, that Iran is not, ever, going to make atomic bomb. The "burden of proof" is on the accusers not the accused.

      Time and time again, IAEA has concluded that Iran 's nuclear program has been peaceful and that they have not found any clue to point to it having had been otherwise; that is, being a weapon-geared program.

      IAEA should ask Europe , USA , and Israel to prove their allegation (that Iran has weapon-geared nuclear program) NOT Iran to prove is not making atomic bomb.

      It is impossible to prove/show that you do not have something that you have never had it at all? The burden is on those who make the allegations. OR, because we (the blue-blooded, arrogant, savage-beast-bullies) consider ourselves "better than them" (because they are non-Westerners, and thusly/sub-humans with less RIGHTS than us), we want to prevent them from advancing in science and technology; that when they achieve it without our permission, we treat them with "Carrot/Stick" policy!!!. Is it logical to, instead of saying hello to the shopkeeper of a shop (that has something that we want to buy), threat him/her instead? If we treat Iran with respect, they would be more than happy to sell their oil to us with enthusiasm.

      As to if "West" is better than rest of the world and Iranians, I refer you to:

      1. "Les Grecs et les Barbares" to find out even per the prejudiced ancient Greek historians, they saw themselves admiring Persian culture and the advanced way of their life/culture.

      2. Read the "Le Monde" (En Iran, un autre berceau de la civilisation €

      LE MONDE.FR | 4 janvier 2008

      http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Archaeology/Pre-History/jiroft.htm http://www.bulletinasiainstitute.org/Muscarella_BAI15.pdf

      http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Archaeology/Pre-History/jiroft.htm

      Aratta-Jiroft-Halilrood -- 5000 years ago) about the first cradle of Civilization (the City of "Arrata" that per the ancient Greeks was the Glorious last city that is found in south of Iran, near the city of Kerman; the present city of Jiroft near Hlil-rood that they think is the city of "Arrata', AND

      3. Go to PBS watch the documentary that says about the Minoans in Crete that had been of Iranian origin back 5000 years ago --

      http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/episode-home/sinking-atlantis

      to find out that it is the West that had been referred to as the "Barbars" by Greek. And read about the contributions of the glorious Islamic era that Iranians to all branches of science and art since 700 hundred years ago while Europe was living "dark ages".

      We know that, within a millisecond of daring of the use of such policy ("Carrot/Stick" policy) by others, we would respond with: "Shove them both" and would leave the room immediately. How dare you treat people like that? They are not horse or donkey. I am amazed that Iran , despite of our savage treatment of them, has been able to show such admirable degree of patience and restraint towards our insulting attitude of us against them. I, as one of the Citizens of USA, am asking you to, immediately put stop into use of such a stupid "foreign Policy".

      We should treat the nations of the world as equals; with respect. Specially, a nation like Iran, that has more than 5000 years of glorious civilization, and contribution to the world in all fields; fields of art and science (physics, chemistry, medicine, astronomy, mathematics, and arts).

      A fair-minded person like I, acknowledges that, despite of our rude, arrogant, and bullish behavior of West, Iranians have been more than patient with the ILLEGITIMATE/ and UNJUST, RIGHTS-DENYING demand of West from them.

      Shame on you, Mr. President. Shame on Europe and shame on us all.

      Mr. President, our past interferences against the toppled democratic governments of Iran , demonstrates how in-genuine our “pro-freedom”/”pro-democracy” claims have been/are.

      Mr. "President", Please, do not BS people. Forgot our toppling of Mossadeq and our sabotaging of Iranian's beautiful 1979 revolution which lead to toppling of President Banisadr? Please refrain from making any sort of threat, AND any sort of manipulative pseudo-uprising fabrications against Iran; so that people, who had democracy/freedom (during the three year Prime-ministership of Mossadeq and the two year Presidency of Banisadr), on their own (without any sort of interference from outside), re-establish it again from inside; through peaceful and genuine uprising against their government (that is stolen from them). The only person who has authority to speak for people of Iran , is the first-President of Iran , the self-exiled former President Banisadr who, at the moment, lives in Versaille , France . He, truly/popularly, was elected by 70% of votes through a real election. Since then, he has been educating/informing people of Iran so that they, by themselves, stand up again to topple the current corrupt/illegitimate regime and re-establish a legitimate/people-representative government in its place. All these, including the nuclear-issue [that per IAEA is a peaceful program\, are INTERNAL affairs of Iran . How would we feel if a bully-nation [from across the Globe\ interferes in such internal affairs of ours –telling/deciding-for-us [as if we are under-age/retarded\ as to what is good or not-good [in our interest\? AND through imposition of various sanction regimes [via abuse of UNSC or outside of it\ coerce us to do what that bully/pirate nation THINKs is RESPONSIBLE-behavior/good for us? Neither our Senate [or any other institutions of our country\ nor those of the other parasitic/arrogant/pirate/thieves [other blue-blooded Western countries across the Atlantic \ have ANY right to meddle into the internal affairs of other nations of the world.

      De quelle droit we dare to DICTATE to other nations what to do or not to do?

      Without regard to the nature of the government, people of Iran tend to wrap around their government when they perceive outside-danger/threat against their country; no matter how brutal and oppressive it is. So please,stop/refrain from making/imposing any degree and sort of threats, sanctions or manipulations against Iran .

      Do not pay attention to Mojahedin-e Khalgh or ex-kicked-out blue-blooded pro-Shah individuals who, in order to continue their parasitic way of life, bark and wag their tails to us so that we throw them some money (bone). These kicked out corrupt people, who do not respect any degree of human rights for the people of Iran , are against democracy and freedom for their homeland.

      Please, I, as the soul of humanity, HEREBY order you to cease/stop assets-freezing [pirating\/bullying/coercing Iran.

      Servants of people, Servant Speaker Peloci and Servant Chairman John Conyers,

      You are there to, on behalf of people to legislate and watch for the interest of people NOT to act as if you are GUARDIAN of people (under-age children/retards).

      It is not up to you to veto the will of the people. It is NOT important that there is or there is not enough vote to convict President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. It is the desire of people to proceed-with/act-on the previous and the current impeachment proposals of Congressman Kucinich; regardless of the number of supporting votes. Impeachment matter is NOT a political issue that you weigh the gains or loss viz à vis the at issue political subject matter. Constitution of the USA allows people to impeach and remove a President who has committed high crimes.

      Because, President Bush has set numerous dangerous precedents which are harmful to the Rule By People, it is imperative to impeach him [before the end of his term\ regardless of the number of supporting votes in favor of the conviction. The fact that Congress has proceeded with bringing forward the subject matter of the impeachment, would remove the implied created power/authority effect, as a precedence, that another US-President might desire/decide to invoke. Power corrupts. Congress and Senate are there to, as one of the MOST important duties of legislative branch, watch for people so that the President does NOT act like a King.

      It is UNPRECEDENTED for Congress to ignore an impeachment request coming from a legislative body. It would be terrible for Congress to break this long-established precedent. When the Florida legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Swayne, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. When the committee reported it, impeachment was passed. When the Mississippi legislature requested the impeachment of Judge Bruin, Congress acted upon it. It came to the floor of the House as a highly privileged motion. The House required a committee to report on impeachment. Shortly later, a new judge was appointed, apparently after Judge Bruin died or resigned.

      So, I, Dr. Murray M. Morgan, as the soul of the humanity/people/nation, ORDER you [as the Servant of people\ to, immediately, bring forward the proposals of Congressman Kucinich to vote and send it to the Senate for the trial. You are, hereby, ordered to refrain from acting as if you are the GUARDIAN of people.

      So, I, as the collective-soul of the people, order and urge all the Congressmen, congresswomen to, for the sake of upholding the Constitution/Constitutional RULE OF LAW, support the previously introduced Articles and the Article of Impeachment introduced by Re. Dennis Kucinich on July 10. President Bush deliberately lied to Congress and to the people about the "threat" coming from Iraq because of its so-called arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. He started the war to remove Saddam who had dared to put image of his father in the front-yard walkway of one of the governmental buildings/one of the Places in Iraq for the people to walk on (shown in CBS or ABC -- it is funny that nobody dares to talks about this uncontrollable motive of President whish was the real reason behind the Iraq-war this uncontrollable urge to punish Saddam was the reason that GW Bush was chosen/encouraged to run for Presidency – because he would do whatever he is told to do). The President lied and hundreds of thousands of people have died as the result of his vengeance-seeking. The Constitution is the law of the land and not a partisan political issue.

      Sincerely,

      Dr. Murray M. Morgan

      ...

      sz4M@yahoo.com

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      Is this the way one treat/speaks with people? What a condescending attitude as if we, as "better than others -- due to the "SPECIAL" way of our birth we have acquired the right to rule/exploit "ORDINARY" non-Westerners' resources!!!.

      click the link to see what I mean:

      http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/110/bur070908.pdf

      Testimony by

      William J. Burns, Under Secretary for Political Affairs

      U.S. Department of State

      Before the

      House Foreign Affairs Committee

      July 9, 2008

      The Strategic Challenge Posed by Iran

    2. Joseph de St. Aubin  10/29/2007 12:32 AM Report

      I have volentiered in Mexico, building homes and, orfaniges and feeding the pore for years. In addition, I have done extensive valenter work in San Antonio and California and am theraly comitted to the beterment of the human condition and expending my life on the same. Having said that, I would also like to point out what I thought would be obvius to somone normaly as astute as Charlie Rose. People such as myself, perhaps not everyone but the mijority, volantier as a response to the dagree in wich our nation, idevidualy and colectivly takes from humanity more than what we give to it colectivly, both in terms of nateral resorces,(consumerism) as well as human rescorses,(ie, the international disparity of wellth). It is persisly becouse as an American I am graced with the human resorses to serve and my nation(govement) has not that I do so. Besides this, the alternative life style, I would call selfishness,some would call consumerism, is what our nation and goverment has advocated. It is a rejection of those values and the disperity in world resorses that erges me to serve. It is the shame and imberisment over the disparity. If the goverment is doing this then I have no resan to...or atleast no impodince to. This episode had within it three people of a shared view point; that is that the goverment confiscation of indovidual rescorses to hold and only return to us when and if we volenter does not somehow amount to slavery or at the least indentered servatude. Please conside what I have said in as much as I would not like to see the govement itude on what I have devoted my time and eferts doing...

    3. Marie White  09/12/2007 11:25 AM Report

      Awesome take Mr Rose! Will you be doing a follow-up, as I noticed this is fast becoming a hot topic. I've heard Michelle Obama really drive home on this issue, now Caroline Kennedy is taking the spotlight. Will you be featuring Public Allies, Teach for America or Harlem Children's Zone- those who are in the trenches daily, and raising big dollars to be in those trenches! I look forward to further exploration. Keep up the good work!

    4. harrod  09/08/2007 12:33 PM Report

      what a refreshing show

    5. Terri Willis  09/07/2007 05:52 PM Report

      I believe in a life of service. I volunteered, when I was 14, working with Developmental Children, at Lincoln Developmental Center, in Lincoln, IL. It prepared me for my career choice as a nurse. I have been a nurse for the past 28 years. Recently, I taught Art lessons to a young teenager, who has Cerebral Palsy. She just loved the time we spent together. I have a dream to open a center, where volunteers, can help patients, use creative activities and therapies, Art therapy or pet therapy as examples. As we give to others, it helps our spiritual side. It transforms us, to know the goodness, that we possess. We are capable to love, greater that ourselves. We can love, instead of hate. There is so much hatred and malice that we can affect on each other. It is easier to hate than love. We are greater than this, we can learn to love others, though volunteering your time to someone, who will benefit from your kindness. In return, you get a feeling of joy, that you can not express, that is your reward.

    6. Adelaide   09/07/2007 11:14 AM Report

      Thoughtful piece. Often wonder though regarding inaternational efforts of teens and young adults going to far flung countries for two or three weeks, often chruch sponsored and sometimes invloving prostelytizing, doing a "service project" and then site seeng on the way home as a way of decompressing. The negative environmental impact of these trips makes me wonder are we advancing a better world or hastening its demise? To me there is an elitism involved. Wouldn't it be better to "do" something good close to home and send the moeny to those places so they could paint their own buildings, provide paid care givers from their own ranks for their children, be educated and trained so they could do service in their own communities?

    7. Paul  09/06/2007 07:03 PM Report

      I am at this time writing a book about the subjuct of having a balanced state of affairs within the human race. The idea that having meaning and purpose is one of the corner stones for my book; for that if it is to be that an individual is to become healthy and progressive in their motives, they must be willing to help and give.

      Thank you, Mr. Rose, for your insight and ingenuity!

    8. Bruce L. Arneklev, EdD  09/06/2007 05:59 PM Report

      Caroline Kennedy was asked where the idea for the Peace Corps came from and she said it was an idea that "just came out" during a late night meeting with her father and his staff.

      I distincly remember thanking Hubert Humphry in the late 1950s (after one of his speechs at the University of Oregon) for a wonderful magizine article in which he had outlined the ideas subsequently inacted in the Peace Corps.

    9. Melissa  09/06/2007 03:36 PM Report

      hello, your show last night was inspiring, amazing and made me feel that my work is completely validated. I am having the same discussions , the same dialogue and the same hope for our future. I have created www.StarsStandingUp.com and am sharing the same initiatives. I hope to be able to get this group involved very soon. thank you for another great show.

    10. Geri Mitchell  09/06/2007 03:34 PM Report

      My heart was warmed just listening to the great work being done around the world. I was so encouraged to hear about good people devoting time to make the world a better place.

      I was most touched hearing Caroline Kennedy and Cokie Roberts speak, but what awesome men you had on the panels.

      Just hearing such a thoughtful, intelligent discussion makes me want to create a personal plan to DO something.

      Thanks for being you, Charlie, and for taking time to discuss volunteer programs.

    11. Cathy  09/06/2007 12:18 PM Report

      awesome show last night!