A conversation with Marina Litvinenko and Alex Goldfarb

with Alex Goldfarb and Marina Litvinenko
in Current Affairs, Books
on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 * * * * *

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A conversation with Marina Litvinenko and Alex Goldfarb, Executive Director of International Foundation for Civil Liberties. Marina Litvinenko is the wife of Alexander Litvinenko who suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized and died three weeks later, becoming a rare victim of lethal polonium-210 radiation poisoning. Litvinenko and Goldfarb discuss their book "Death of a Dissident: The Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko and the Return of the KGB".

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    1. ruslan drvota  12/18/2007 10:29 AM Report

      Good day all,

      please send many wishes to Alexei Goldfarb from family DRVOTA in Praha Czech republic especially

      from Ruslan.

      P.S. Lesyia died 5 years ago and I have 5 years old boy.

      Drvota Ruslan Praha Repy Spanielova 1326/35

    2. op  10/19/2007 02:18 PM Report

      Plutonium Putin says Iran with plutonium enrichment is no problem... another chapter from the KGB school of business ethnics...

    3. Tom Esperito  06/19/2007 07:29 AM Report

      Don, Could you please provide a link where Scotland Yard confirms Goldfarb's "theory"? Thanks.. Also, here are some links that directly contradict the timeline Mrs. Litvinenko gave in the interview. 1) http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2013254.ece 2) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=no-immunity-&method=full&objectid=18175879&siteid=94762-name _page.html

    4. Don  06/18/2007 11:05 PM Report

      TOM ESPERITO > Mr. Goldfarb said that the traces of polonium-210 were found at the sushi bar from a meeting two weeks prior, in which Lugovoi tried, but failed to assassinate Litvienko, spilling it on the table. Then the staff cleaned the table, wiping it all over and getting on the towel, and themselves.

    5. Tom Esperito  06/17/2007 09:52 PM Report

      Kaye,

      >but I too felt Charlie Rose should have been less aggressive and more respectful.

      they are all over the place selling books, appearing at film festivals, making money etc..

      Charlie was doing his job..

    6. Kaye  06/17/2007 04:32 PM Report

      It was good to see Marina L. and Alex Goldfarb on the program, and everything they said was informative, but I too felt Charlie Rose should have been less aggressive and more respectful. After all, Marina has just lost her husband in an obvious political murder.

    7. Tom Esperito  06/16/2007 06:19 PM Report

      It seems strange to me that Litvinenko's wife does not know the exact timeline of the meetings that occurred on the day her husband was poisoned. The first meeting was at 10:00 AM with Lugovoi at the hotel and the second meeting was later on that day with Scaramella.

      If the meeting occurred as she states on the show visa-versa, how could polonium 210 show up at the Sushi bar first? Litvinenko was poisoned at the Millenium Hotel.

    8. Cathy  06/16/2007 02:11 AM Report

      When this show aired I was reading Mountains Beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder, about Dr. Paul Farmer, "a man who would cure the world" (an inspiring story). He writes about the friendship between Farmer and Alex Goldfarb. In chapter 24, Kidder relates Goldfarb's mysterious involvement with Berezovsky and a KGB agent who fled to London (obviously Litvinenko). I appreciate Charlie Rose for hosting this broadcast. I can see why Dr. Farmer holds Mr. Goldfarb in such high esteem. Both Marina and Alex were dignified in their presentation. I too wish Charlie would not be so antagonistic and insensative at times. But I enjoy most of his shows and certainly learn from the broad range of topics.

    9. Don  06/14/2007 02:01 AM Report

      One of the great things about Charlie Rose is this â??boyishâ?? excitement that he has about certain topics. But, if he is not in the same place as his guest, or more likely his guest are not at the same place that he his when he asks certain questions, this â??boyishâ?? excitement becomes his biggest flaw. What in certain conversations is enduring, becomes rude and disconnected.

    10. Zak  06/14/2007 12:19 AM Report

      Pulonium 210 is NOT a rare substance that only a select few have access to. It is available on the internet. It is used in anti-static brush cases for photographers. Order a few thousand and the chemical process to remove and isolate it is not difficult. The fatal dose if ingested is only one half a gram. It is only a real danger if ingested. When Pulonium 210 decays it produces radioactive alpha rays that cannot penetrate your outer layers of skin.

      The point being that the possible source of his poisoning may have selected this method to make it seem like it could have only come from the top. People have martyed themselves for less.

      Just a thought

    11. Ron Bachorski  06/13/2007 11:59 PM Report

      Mr. Rose

      You should sincerely reflect on what it means to be a thoughtful and understanding listener. All to often you interupt your guests. I find this to be a rather thoughtless behavior that reflects a lack of genuine interest in the thoughts and feelings of others.

    12. Richard  06/13/2007 09:56 PM Report

      I know many people with a pathological need to interrupt others in mid-sentence. In one interview Charlie Rose state that he learned more from listening than speaking; however, this must have been during college. He certainly forgot his manners for this interview, and did not even for a moment recognize how insulting his comments were to Marina Letvinenko. I usually view these interruptions as an attempt to re-focus the discussion or to provide a tighter context for a response, but in this case, it seemed as close to contempt as one could get.

      I am confounded that Mr. Rose also found many points of his death and aftermath as funny, given all the laughter. I hope that he finds it in himself to apologize to Mrs. Letvinenko - the sooner the better.

    13. Derek  06/13/2007 08:13 PM Report

      Though your show is my favorite program on television, I too was appalled at the insensitivity shown towards Ms. Litvinenko. It's one thing to be fascinated by a mysterious event but another to enthusiastically inquire about a possible Hollywood debut to a grieving widow. That Ms. Litvinenko was able to maintain her composure and merely hint at the inappropriateness of the conversation is a great testament to her dignity.

    14. eligit  06/13/2007 08:04 PM Report

      the WHOLE POINT that the two poor interviewees were trying to get across was that

      1)polonium 210 is only available to a tiny select number of people high up in the government (i think 12 was the number mentioned)

      and

      2)that the REASON this obscure poison was used was that it is nearly impossible to trace. had the victim expired within the predicted time frame no scientist would have been able to determine the specific cause of death. by complete luck (and the fact that the victim was incredibly strong) he survived an extra week or so...thus making it possible to discover the cause of his death. his killers never thought this would have been possible.

      and

      3)it was polonium....NOT plutonium.

      sheesh. good work giving the grieving widow the (unimformed) 3rd degree.

    15. Steve  06/13/2007 07:07 PM Report

      Six months after he dies, can I ask Mr. Rose's wife if she thinks Harrison Ford will play him in the movie?

    16. Rosemary  06/13/2007 06:17 PM Report

      I believe that if Putin wanted someone dead, he would certainly not be stupid enough to have him killed in such an unusual, headline grabbing way as by polonium-210.

      When the Soviet Union fell, the jackals rushed in to buy up Russian resources for a pittance. Alex Goldfarb works for Boris Berezovsky, one of those who made a fortune this way. Both have strong ties to Israel.

      I have just read two books by Victor Ostrovsky, former Israeli Mossad officer: By Way of Deception and The Other Side of Deception. Ostrovsky came to the conclusion that the Mossad was not (as planned) an intelligence agency for the security of Israel, but a morally bankrupt rogue organization that does assassinations, plants false flags, topples governments, ruins businesses, counterfeits, and deceives all nations in order to further the Israeli cause.

      Ask yourself: Who profits from Litvinenko's death? Certainly not Putin. Israel and the USA have been demonizing Russia from the get-go. And still are.

      When Hariri was blown up in Lebanon--the headlines screamed: "Syria did it!" and Syria was then forced to pull out their troops from Lebanon, and who invaded Lebanon on the pretext of getting back a couple of Israeli soldiers? Israel. (Well, that didn't go as planned, so now they are planning to do better next time.)

      Always ask yourself that question "Who profits?" and the answer may not always answer the headline of the day.

      Of course, I have no proof--only a suspicious mind.

    17. Carolyn  06/13/2007 03:53 PM Report

      As a dedicated viewer and admirer of the Charlie Rose Show, the interview with Marina Litvinenko and Alex Goldfarb was such a shock to me. I couldn't believe the insensitivity, the jerkiness and constant interruptions from Mr Rose. In fact, I began to suspect that he was ill, so disconnected did he seem in his questioning. Why did he persist, like a dog with a bone, in probing that poor woman about her husband's suffering, to the point of tears? What purpose did it serve? How dare he bring Hollywood and Johnny Depp into this tragedy? It was beyond inappropriate and breathtakingly sleazy. The stricken look on Ms Litvinenko's face showed her bewilderment and sorrow. Mr Rose should think twice, thrice, before constantly inserting himself into these interviews. He has a brilliant mind and an admirable appreciation and knowledge of the arts, sports, public events and history. His curiosity has always been part of his charm. He doesn't need to show off nor to descend to tabloid depths. It was not his place to challenge the veracity of the story and put these people on the defensive. By casting himself as the Devil's Advocate and implying the improbability of Alexander Litvinenko's murder, he came off sounding like an apologist for Putin and his henchmen. For years the Charlie Rose Show has been the sole American interview program which I try not to miss. I am so disappointed and so angry at him for his treatment of these two guests. It must have taken Ms Litvinenko a long time to recover from the verbal battering. Mr Rose owes her, Mr Goldfarb and his viewers an apology. One hopes that this program was an anomaly. Mr Rose's guests deserve better, his viewers deserve better and he owes it to himself and his reputation to calm down, listen and let his guests tell their story, which is supposed to be the purpose of his interviews. For shame.

      A Viewer from Toronto

    18. Val  06/13/2007 03:07 PM Report

      You know why Charlie did not make a his home work, or did not prepare himself for this interview. Because hi does not take these guys seriously.

      Val

    19. Tom  06/13/2007 01:16 PM Report

      If a hard drive can walk out of Los Alamos National Laboratory in the bag of a contractor, only to be found when the Los Alamos Police Department was looking for drugs, why can't Polonium-210 walk out when it is paid for?

    20. Bob  06/13/2007 12:59 PM Report

      Did anyone else get the feeling that Charlie forgot to do his homework? (Ahead of time.)

    21. Mika Szabo  06/13/2007 12:03 PM Report

      First of all, I do love The Charlie Rose Show and watch it religiously, every night. Of course, I am very much interested in what Mr. Rose has to say, but I do wish he would wait until his guests finish speaking, for Mr. Rose's frequent interruptions are indeed very frustrating.

    22. Lisen  06/13/2007 10:40 AM Report

      How painfully humiliating it was watching Rose interview Marina Litvinenko and Alex Goldfarb!

      Not to mention the lack of sensibility when Rose, again, asked Marina Litvinenko to describe her husbands last hours.

      And, what did Rose NOT understand about Polonium-210?

      Having (some) prior knowledge, as to the name, of the substance that killed Sasha Litvinenko, might have helped Rose from confusing Polonium with Plutonium.

      Wikipedia: Polonium (Po) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

      Famous polonium poisoning cases: (Same page)

    23. Spanner  06/13/2007 04:25 AM Report

      Interesting comments from Litvinenko and Goldfarb and the usual performance from Rose. Shouldn't an interviewer's responsibility to his or her audience (not to mention to the guests) include listening to what the guests say? Goldfarb spoke about the rarity of polonium several times - it seemed to me that it was a central point in the discussion of the poisoning - yet Rose continued to refer to the lethal substance as "plutonium". Once or twice might be a slip of the tongue, but after the third or fourth "plutonium" . . . one might begin to suspect that the interviewer has his head somewhere it shouldn't be.

      To his credit, there did seem to be fewer than "normal" of the trademark Charlie Rose ask-question-let-guest-say-a-few-words-interrupt-then-answer-own-question questions. This could be a great show were Mr Rose somehow freed of the apparent need to demonstrate his knowledge of the topics (and acquaintance with the people) being discussed, which often appears to result in potentially interesting or valuable comments from the guests being derailed into oblivion in favour of the somewhat less interesting display of Charlie's erudition.

    24. John Reinke  06/13/2007 02:58 AM Report

      Your interview with the Alex Goldfarb and Marina was extremely poorly done. I can't tell you how angry I am at you for the poor quality of your interview and your utter lack of sensitivity. What is wrong with you??!! At least your guests bore your incompetence extremely well - good for them!!

    25. Don  06/13/2007 02:31 AM Report

      1) Why wasn�t this question asked?:

      Why couldn�t (with Russia being so extensively corrupt) Boris Berezovsky, and/or, Andrei Lugovoi, bribe someone working at a facility producing polonium-210 for the substance? (They both have the financial power to do so). What if Berezovsky felt that Litvinenko was investigated him (Berezovsky) about how he gained access to Boris Yeltsin through corruption and bribery? Someone needs to follow the MONEY. A million U.S. Dollars to some lab tech working at facility like this would go a long way in Russia. There is something here that is not being asked, and a new angle needs to be taken. There was more than one way for polonium-210 to get to London than through Putin and his administration (it is called bribery). And Boris Berezovsky is no angel.

      2) Asking Marina about Johnny Deep was inappropriate. You could see the hurt on her face. This, her life, is more important that what Hollywood will do with it.

      3) Charlie asked the question of �what the real reason was for the theater siege,� but never followed up with this question.

    26. Brahminbull  06/13/2007 12:59 AM Report

      Charlie asked a very good question as to why poison with such an exotic substance and not a more conventional manner.

      Could the use of polonium be a sending of a message to the west that nuclear material is in the open and it is a matter of time that a dirty bomb or some other use of such substance is on the horizon?

      This is scary stuff and it is another example of how Russia is a major question mark to world security.

      Maybe it would be worth while to have someone from the US and Russia govs on to discuss how secure Russia nuclear material is.