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five_david 05/08/2013 02:13 PM Report
Technology espionage is human nature. Humans are creature of emulation or copy cat. When someone has something better, others will copy it. This is how human advance and technology improve.
Borrowing technology is, of course, against the law but it does not deter technology espionage. Company borrows technology from each other to get an edge against competing company.
Human has a history of espionage. Ancient Chinese had the silk, tea, gun powder, porcelain technology.
These technologies were highly sort after by the Europeans. They even went to war to get these merchandises- Opium war. The Europeans borrowed these technology so they can manufacture them to make money.
Europeans borrowed from each other too. France borrowed manufacturing technology from the English.
American are no better. During Alexander Hamilton’s presidency, he passed a law that will give quarters to anyone who obtain European technology and build a factory in United States.
As far as manufacturing jobs are concern, a capitalistic company will always go to where the labor is cheaper. This is the capitalistic company’s characteristic-they don’t discriminate because these company only worry about their bottom line to keep the share holders happy.
What you are really writing about is human nature.
This is history repeating it self- nothing new.
Max83 02/23/2013 03:45 PM Report
I want American Chinese relations to succeed, but I definitely see the problem with industrial spying. From my sources in Europe I have heard that no just the hacking is a problem, but also if you as a company want to enter the Chinese market you are ''asked'' to share a lot of your trait and trade secrets with Chinese domestic companies, which then usually gets copied and mass produced in China and your former Chinese partners become your competitors.
The problem is that many companies are forced to take those risks to enter the Chinese market because it is the only growth market world wide at the moment and they are desperate for business and contracts. So in a way we also have to blame American and European politicians and corporate lobbyists etc. for having screwed up the economy here and making this situation worse, because the weaker the western economies are the more clout China has to force their demands on foreign companies, because there is not enough business and demand for products and services back home.
There are many culprits in this dynamic, the Chinese are just one of them, probably the most obvious one, but if we really examine the situation from a bigger picture perspective American domestic and free trade policies that have destroyed the American domestic manufacturing sector are probably the true root of all these problems.
The last thing Dune brought up about how one can cancel incentives for industrial spying is I think the most crucial point.
I think the way the USA has handled the issue so far is good by making it public.
This has to become a public relations campaign more than it has to be a battle of American geeks vs Chinese geeks :-) and who is a superior hacking whiz in my opinion.
The Chinese are very proud people and rightly so, they have a very long and proud history and are the foremost emerging power economically as well as militarily at the moment.
The Americans and Europeans for that matter have to make this a personal reputation and honor issue with the Chinese, without hurting their feelings.
If the Chinese do not stop stealing other peoples' inventions and ideas they have to be labeled as ''cheaters'' and as ''not creative''. The Chinese are very sensitive about their appearance and reputation and if they notice that they are known more and more as ''cheats'' and ''copiers'' around the world and that people think that their products are just ''rip-offs'' inventively speaking they will stop their industrial spying behavior in my opinion.
I would prefer a different approach, but as Dune said the incentives right now are so high that I do not think the Chinese will stop this behavior voluntarily, but I could be wrong.
Americans have to communicate that they welcome the Chinese economic challenge and competition as long as the both sides adhere to fair rules that do not hurt either partner and then say that the better more talented competitor creatively and inventively may win and reap the benefits.
I think this can be a win win situation for both China as well as the USA if it is handled wisely and fairly.
Here is another very good lecture by Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski USA-Chinese relations from December 2012:
''Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski and Ambassador Chas W. Freeman Jr. at the USCPF 17th Annual Gala''
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoeCj_BUpBE
'' Published on Dec 14, 2012
On December 11, 2012, the U.S.-China Policy Foundation celebrated its 17th anniversary with a gala dinner in Washington, DC. Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski gave keynotes remarks on the future of U.S.-China relations, and Ambassador Chas W. Freeman, Jr. presented his first-hand perspective on the Shanghai Communique. Afterwards, Ambassador Freeman led a Q&A session with Dr. Brzezinski, using questions submitted by the gala attendees.''
REMant 02/20/2013 01:05 PM Report
The issue isn't who's behind it, but why. What makes ppl think they are "attacks?" It's also important to get clear what is taking place: hacking? cracking? phishing? Trojans? They are not all the same nor are they anything we are unfamiliar with. For the rest see my comments under Sanger.