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SharkswithfrikingLazers 04/27/2013 05:23 PM Report
Advance this Charlie Rose interview http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10658#comment_96018
to 33:05 and listen to what Michael Sandel says about the torture argument and Dick Cheney (real test would you torture the completely innocent 12 year old daughter of the terrorist to save the many—it is NOT just about numbers but being morally justified) and that virtue (who deserves what) is giving just desserts to a person (per Aristotle) which means the recognition and honor given from a society (usually wealth, but it really is honor and recognition like allowing same sex marriage).
SharkswithfrikingLazers 04/18/2013 10:06 PM Report
So here we on April 16th and yes it is confirmed that Dick Cheney is a torturer by the Constitution Project.
"An independent review of the U.S. government's anti-terrorism response after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks reported Tuesday that it is "indisputable" the United States engaged in torture and the George W. Bush administration bears responsibility.
The report by the Constitution Project, a non-partisan Washington-based think-tank, is an ambitious review of the Bush administration's approach to the problems of holding and interrogating detainees after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."
(John Bolton says the report is divorced from reality and there were three levels of lawyering (HA!).)
Watch it on The Daily Show:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-17-2013/zero-dark-hurty
Read it on the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130416/us-us-torture/?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=politics
When will the trial begin or will Gerald Ford come back from the grave to issue hundreds of pardons?
supune 03/19/2013 12:04 PM Report
Today is the 10 year anniversary of the start to the Iraq War. "To the statement 'It's Really A Quagmire.' You say what?" would have been a great question to pose to the former vice president.
"Ten years ago, I resigned my post in opposition to President George W. Bush’s war on Iraq. I had worked in the U.S. government for most of my life, first in the Army and Army Reserves, retiring as a colonel, and then as a diplomat. I served in U.S. embassies in Nicaragua, Grenada, Somalia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Sierra Leone and Micronesia. I helped reopen the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, in December 2001.
Yet after serving in eight presidential administrations, beginning under Lyndon Johnson during the war on Vietnam, I ended my career in the U.S. government in opposition to another conflict—the war on Iraq." - Col. Ann Wright
Rep Barbara Lee from Berkeley (one of the few lawmakers I respect these days) talks about the need to not go into unnecessary war. She said declaring war was only debated for a couple hours! But she blames George Bush but I blame Cheney. Costs of war to Iraq are notably not mentioned. $1.7 trillion is what she said the "reckless" war cost us. "the bombs in Vietnam exploded home destroying the possibility of a decent America." Can we put these decades of perpetual war behind us? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y7dBqR8RBHc
Jopa63 02/27/2013 11:47 PM Report
Just a side comment concerning the history of Iraq war; there is very interesting book available trough Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Way-War-Downing-History/dp/1590172078
The Secret Way to War: The Downing Street Memo and the Iraq War's Buried History by Mark Danner.
Too bad that Charlie did not ask any questions to explain facts shown in this book. Downing Street Memo was a subject of the investigation by the British Parliament with direct questions to Tony Blair on his and US role in the origination of the Iraq War.
winter 02/22/2013 12:05 PM Report
So wheres all the Halliburton favors money? Wiki "able danger" and connect the dots. So if he didn't have a gay daughter which side of that issue would he be falling on?
So included in that definition of "Freedom" do we have other countries allowed to determine their own form of government w/o involving the School of the Americas? Previous comments are deliberately all over the map.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/21/2013 03:05 AM Report
Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our family is very familiar with," Cheney told an audience that included his daughter.
"With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."
Charlie, do you see how Dick Cheney learns? He has a gay daughter and he understands gay freedom.
You know what this means Charlie. You have to call the CIA and have them arrange to "Zero Dark Thirty" him. Then he will become like McCain. He will probably even welcome it since he tells us it is really nothing different from how we train our own men.
With an apparent shortage of Ghandi Neurons this is probably the only way he will finally understand torture and why America does NOT need it.
LeporelloTheHumble 02/20/2013 02:33 AM Report
This man is nothing if not an almost perfect clone of most evil Senator Joe McCarthy, a traitor to the United States & all we hold dear!
Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Palin, Beck, Bachman, Fox News, et al, ad infinitum, are all of this same mold. They will lie, cheat, steal, kill (if they could get away with it); in other words, do or say ANYTHING that INJURES or hopefully DESTROYS our elected President!
They are all, in a word, TRAITORS, and should all be put on trial & executed if found guilty!
MisterMittster 02/19/2013 06:51 PM Report
Dick Cheney and Steven Siegal both look like the kind of guys that would prefer to break another man's arms at the elbows than eat a really good bowl of soup, like, perhaps, Clam Chowder. No, those two guys, and Darth Vader, would much more Enjoy inflicting pain on a meager magget of a man, I mean they Really get off on it. I can see Dick Cheney down in some dark torture chamber pealing the fingernails off of some brown, foreign, gibberish talking goon. I can see the gleam in his eye while he mummbles to himself out the corner of his mouth as he wrestles control of the poor fool's arm to continue slowly peeling his fingernails down and off of each and every finger. Dick Cheney wouldn't smile or laugh, he would just feel real good inside. Yeah, I think he would.
Who wouldn't?
MisterMittster 02/19/2013 06:33 PM Report
'Cheney, UnDicked!' ,
Coming to a Theatre near you
charliesheep 02/19/2013 03:28 PM Report
GELLES -LEARN; TO SPELL-PEOPLES NAMES AND CAPITALIZE, ON THAT!
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Max83 02/19/2013 03:33 AM Report
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michael54 02/18/2013 04:57 AM Report
Mr. Cheney is very skilled. He prefers to stay at a level of generality that is not informative, asserting judgments more than facts. He will wave a question away and change the topic. He matches Limbaugh for the big chunk of reality apparently missing from his picture. To keep his credibility up he will bluntly take controversial positions. He maintains waterboarding is not torture because his own attorneys said so. But he doesn't notice the conflict of interest there. Or he does, but skillfully avoids it. (Which is more likely?)
I thought Charlie did fine in presenting Cheney clearly to the audience, including occasional presses on details of high interest to Cheney's opponents. His role wasn't to put Cheney on trial.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/18/2013 03:28 AM Report
Bush/Cheney's response to the attacks compromised America's basic principles, undermined its economy, and weakened its security.
Joseph E. Stiglitz: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/project_syndicate/2011/09/the_true_cost_of_911.single.html
Terrorists win by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars while their victims spend trillions of dollars in response.
Terrorists do not need to strike every year to keep the terror alive. They have the Republicans and their color coded warning system for that.
Why would there be another attack Dick Cheney? You are doing their work for them--spending our treasure, sacrificing our blood, making recruitment easy through torture, proselytizing fear . . .
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/18/2013 03:04 AM Report
Dick Cheney and our water:
"In 2005 Congress—at the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburton—exempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=safety-first-fracking-second
This is poor government and speaks directly to why Lawrence Lessig is trying to organize a national constitutional convention to end the takeover of congress by corporations.
Last week a lawyer for Swiss drilling contractor Transocean, Brad Brian, stood before U.S. District Judge Jane Triche Milazzo in federal court in New Orleans and entered a guilty plea.
Transocean is guilty to a misdemeanor charge of violating the Clean Water Act.
“Does the company wish to plead guilty because it is guilty,” Milazzo asked Brian.
“Yes, your honor,” Brian responded.
Transocean messed up the ocean and is guilty. What about the water we need to drink?
Thanks Dick Cheney for fixing it so drinking water is second to natural gas.
Who gets to clean up this mess left by Dick Cheney?
NeilMacCallister 02/17/2013 10:21 PM Report
Why is Barack Obama sending guns to Syrian citizens, ..at the same time that he is trying to take them AWAY from American citizens????
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/16/2013 03:53 AM Report
Four minutes of the exit interview from 2009:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-19-2009/you-don-t-know-dick---exit-interview
Charlie, your buddy Jim Lehrer appears at 1:36 to ask the key question.
NYSluv 02/15/2013 11:33 PM Report
Amazing how many times you interrupt a guest when you disagree politically with them! Sometimes you are literally transfixed with admiration for your guests BUT Dick Cheney didn't enjoy any of that adulation. Sooo disappointed with the interruptions and apparent disapproval of him during this interview. Do appreciate your wide variety of guests especially those past and current politicians!
Hope you can someday interview some of the other Bush White House officials/cabinet in a more non-biased manner...great journalism (void of such favoritism is so rare today!)
Christopher 02/15/2013 01:43 PM Report
I liked the interview though I though Charlie interrupted a bit too much. One thing is certain, he is clear about his positions. And I'd like to think that the Charlie Rose show is about that: Guests present their opinions on a wide range of subjects and we as viewers can make up our minds. I feel, perhaps unwittingly, Charlie interrupted him a bit too much. He was the vice president and a lot more; he certainly has something to say.
However, on what Cheney says that our allies' confidence is more shaky now than it was under Bush II, it is a good thing. They should pander to the US for support, not the other way around. And I think the reason why Bush II pandered to allies, especially in Middle East is the over-reliance on their oil. That is the difference between Obama and Bush II.
Ricardo_Amaral 02/15/2013 10:15 AM Report
@Gelles
How MMT Will Save America & the World – February 11, 2013
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Gelles 02/15/2013 09:25 AM Report
Dick Chaney is no friend of the people mentioned by Abraham Lincoln when, at Gettysburg, Government by and for the people was recognized as a fundamental objective of the United States.
Dick Chaney would rather recognize Government by and for the established rich individuals and businesses operating here as our factual and desired accomplishment.
This is my opinion. He might put his desire in different words.
In the matter of budgeting for very prevention of WW III, via industrial and military power second to none and far ahead of all the rest, when in power he allowed war made on the cheap. Now he seems to oppose such foolishness.
As for pivoting away from the Middle East and toward containment of a future China, he is suspicious of our total plan. He fears we may be too willing to weaken our total force potential. But, when in power, he, his president and Rumsfeld paid more attention to protection of plutocracy in America than to Lincoln's plans for democracy on earth.
As to his critics on this forum there is no consistent willingness to follow Lincoln, and win the struggle against poverty, ignorance and wage-slavery on behalf of democracy and the people Lincoln loved and of whom God had made so many.
There are some here who see so threat against the people by Islamist political activists who have no respect at all for the human rights of others. These rights are, you may remember, freedom of speech and religion, and freedom from fear and want.
Our current president, like Chaney, seems less able to budget for full employment and full development of Lincoln's people's Earth than we need. President Franklin Roosevelt told the nation and this world, IF we would have peace and democracy THEN we must be a nation and a planet where economic and political rights are built into the foundations of government.
The Chaney inheritance from the days of Reagan and Thatcher that Government may be the problem is up against the absolute need to prevent nuclear war and all obvious invitations to it that common sense can spot and cancel by following more closely the Golden Rule and rules for protecting our environment and the people from violence, want, corruption in high places, and unnecessary war.
greg7629 02/15/2013 02:28 AM Report
Clarification: The US is still seen as the leader of the world by many countries, and sometimes feared when we issue threats, but LESS so now that our current administration has criticized previous administrations for assertiveness and unilateralism.
I think the point Cheney was trying to make, but without the opportunity to expound on it, was that the realities on the ground do match up with the current administration's mantra that terrorism has been defeated.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/15/2013 02:06 AM Report
So the spiritual side of his heart transplant and a ghost EKG? A new person because of another's heart?
Interesting, humanizing.
Just think if you died and your heart is now beating inside Dick Cheney.
Recent studies estimate that first-year costs for a heart transplant and follow-up care are close to $1 million--probably not on Medicare's tab due to the Halliburton income/benefits?
At 71 he was at the upper age limit for such an operation, though that limit has been steadily rising. As recently as 2006, the International Society for Heart and Lung Transplantation said that while patients recommended for a heart transplant should generally be 70 or under, “carefully selected patients” over 70 could be considered.
Waited 20 months when usually the longest wait is 12 (if you don't die first).
lub and dub--most of his life a miracle of science with the spiritual side cosmically mind blowing.
Ricardo_Amaral 02/14/2013 11:28 PM Report
Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz is an American politician and the junior United States Senator for the state of Texas. A Republican, Ted Cruz defeated the Democrat Paul Sadler in the November 6, 2012, United States Senate election.
Even though Ted Cruz has been a United States Senator for only 2 months, he already is also a “doormat” of the “Israel Lobby” in the United States. Since becoming a US Senator Ted Cruz went twice to Israel to get his orders from his real masters.
It looks like the state of Texas has elected a piece of garbage to represent them in the US senate.
Senator Ted Cruz Questioning Chuck Hagel in Confirmation Hearing
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Ricardo_Amaral 02/14/2013 11:26 PM Report
On May 11, 2012, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal also found former US President George W. Bush, former US Vice President Dick Cheney, former US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair guilty of the crime of torture.
Malaysia War crimes court puts Bush, Cheney on 'trial' for war crimes – May 2012
http://youtu.be/_DQqkSp4tS4
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Bush, Cheney, Blair wanted for war crimes: Boyle – October 2012
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A prominent international lawyer says former US President George W. Bush, and former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair stand guilty of crimes against peace, war crimes and torture, Press TV reports.
In November 2011, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, in which Francis Boyle, a professor of international law at the University of Illinois, led the prosecution team, convicted Bush and Blair of crimes against peace and humanity, and genocide over their roles in the Iraq war.
On May 11, 2012, the tribunal also found Bush, former US Vice President Dick Cheney and former US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld guilty of the crime of torture.
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George W. Bush & Dick Cheney Convicted of War Crimes – May 2012
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Jopa63 02/14/2013 11:19 PM Report
As was already expressed here, I think we need to have a full and independent investigation of 9-11 and the Bush Chaney role in this event. There are too many problems in the official report and we were way too quick to announce that we knew who did it and that there were no reason to spend time on the full investigation of these unique conditions which constituted 9-11. The fact that we don't have any more 9/11 gives more prove that 9/11 was not done the way it was presented.
You can watch Colorado PBS program on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I to get some ideas.
Too bad that Charlie Rose nor anybody else in his league of Big Names have guts to go into real investigative journalism. I ques his Coca Cola/Blumberg sponsors will not like it.
bdwomack 02/14/2013 10:28 PM Report
Cheney wears a suicide vest of propaganda!
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/14/2013 09:29 PM Report
Commander-in-chief? No, Executioner-in-chief.
Asked about President Obama‘s drone program, Cheney expressed support.
“I think it’s a good program,” Cheney said of drones. Asked about whether there should be “checks and balances,” Cheney said no.
“No, I think when we hire the president of the United States — he gets to live in the big house, makes all that money. He is getting paid to make difficult, difficult decisions,” he said.
In his last scholarly work in 1908, Constitutional Government of the United States, Wilson said that the presidency "will be as big as and as influential as the man who occupies it". By the time of his presidency, Wilson hoped that Presidents could be party leaders in the same way British prime ministers were.
(Woodrow Wilson wanted presidents to be prime ministers and that is why he brought back the tradition, after over 100 years, of delivering State-of-the-Union speeches in person. So Prime Minister President or Executioner-in-Chief President? Just remember which one Cheney favors--with no checks and balances.)
greg7629 02/14/2013 09:28 PM Report
I usually love Charlie Rose as an interviewer, but he continually interrupted Cheney without letting him finish his points. I realize he wanted to fit as many questions as possible into the 60 minutes, but the quality suffered. Especially odd was Charlie's attempt to goad Cheney into saying that his dislike of the current President is 'personal' and not letting Cheney respond for long on the reasons for the dislike. Yes, Cheney had enough time to point out: terrorism is certainly NOT defeated simply because the POTUS gave the ok to take out OBL, the US is currently NOT relied upon for leadership in the world, and US threats are now NOT taken seriously. However, countless other points remained un-discussed: Iran and N. Korea move closer to a nuclear weapon and our standing among middle east countries has not improved. Why are liberals silent about the very things that would cause them to scream if done by the previous administration: our military was used in Libya without approval of congress, we are also involved in Mali, Yemen... and US citizens are being targeted for killing without trial. Overall, I was impressed with Cheney's intelligence and his patience with the interruptions. Hey, we might not be able to determine yet if the cost of homeland security was worth it, but he did indeed keep us safe from further terrorist attacks after 9/11.
Ellen_Dibble 02/14/2013 08:51 PM Report
I took note of certain fairly newly minted members of Congress, Republican ones, speaking out today, and astonishingly not at all interested, it seemed to me, to fit into Cheney's worldview. I don't much care what the White House thinks, but I care what those coming along think of this. NormaLee below mentions that we did know Al Qaida was planning an attack. I know I had read it twice in the newspapers during the summer, including in mid to late August, and my recollection is that planes were going to be involved. So if the administration was not aware, that's news to me. Did they keep us safe for 8 years? One of the guests on this show, maybe last week, was speaking of American defense, and was saying that obviously we as a nation hugely overreact, so we'd better not get in a position to do so again. I can't imagine what that guest was thinking of, ahem. My recollection is that the Carter presidency had some meaning to Cheney that astonished me, maybe for growing government. Was Reagan a reaction to Carter socializing this and that? Or being an imperialist abroad? I don't recall that. I recall a more reactive presidency, actually.
Ernstm1 02/14/2013 08:22 PM Report
This is the very first Charlie Rose guest interview that disgusted me. I'm appalled Chaney is getting any media attention whatsoever. He belongs behind bars, he is a crazy man, he caused great harm and debt to all Americans. The administration he was a part of is an American tragedy.
mutex 02/14/2013 08:05 PM Report
Here's all you need to know about Mr. Cheney...Mubarak was a dictator who stayed in power by oppression, intimidation, torture and doing the bidding of the US government. Cheney was friends with this tyrant and believes the US "pulled the rug out from under him" during the Arab Spring uprisings. If Cheney had his way the entire world would be ruled by puppet dictators who took bribes from the US to sell out their country's citizens and their resources. It is the totalitarian wet dream of an evil, vicious man who, if there is a God, will finally be held accountable in the afterlife. I nominate him as the most vile man to ever sit in a position of authority in this country. That anyone still wishes to hear the bile he spews is sadly reflective of how far so many US citizens have veered from our founding principles. It seems fear and hatred remain extremely effective tools with which governments can lead their citizens down the path of evil.
efeinbe2 02/14/2013 07:58 PM Report
Cheney's analogy of today to 1976 is deeply flawed. Jimmy Carter won because Nixon had humiliated and discredited the Republican brand, but that was not a permanent shift in the way today's demographic changes are. The majority of Americans didn't vote democratic because Mitt Romney was a troubled candidate (though he was), but because increasingly they fundamentally disagree with the radical conservative policies of the Republican party in general. The GOP will need to do more than repackage their current beliefs if they want to win in the future; they'll have to revise their whole ideology the way Democrats did in '92.
Max83 02/14/2013 04:55 PM Report
I am glad Bush / Cheney legacy is being discussed again.
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09/11/2001 needs to be properly investigated again. That day and that event is the starting point of everything that is being discussed here on the Charlie Rose Show for the last 11 1/2 years.
Have the courage to face the trauma and bring Truth to the surface.
tabs 02/14/2013 03:46 PM Report
During the Civil War General Grant regreted making one decision and that was the frontal assualt on the Confederate Breastworks at Cold Harbor. That frontal assault cost the lives of 10,000 to 12,000 Union soldiers in as many minutes. From admitting that MISTAKE Grant was able to adapted his tactics and instead of another frontal assault in front of Richmond which RE Lee was anticipating, Grant side slipped Lee and crossed the James River at Petersburg. Mr Rose asked Mr Cheney, "Do you feel that you have made any mistakes." To which Mr Cheney replied, " No I don't." Thus we can see at the core of his personality that Mr Cheney has a rigidity which will not allow him to admit to mistakes which would then allow him to adapted to a changing landscape. As such, like a tree that will not bend in the face of the wind, Mr Cheney broke (his heart has blown up on him).
Mr Cheney has made mistakes which will recorded in history. The largest of which was, what to do with Iraq once Sadam was deposed and the US occupies the place? It was perfectly reasonable to invade Iraq, as everybody knew that Sadam was a bad actor. However what should have given the Bush administration pause was the long term political instability previous to the Bathist Party take over in the 1960's. This would have been a tip off that big trouble lay ahead with reconstituting the political and civil structure of the nation if one could call it that. The Bush administration made virtually no plans nor did they have a clue as to what they were getting themselves into. This has cost America untold lives, treasure and prestige which no amount of patriotic breast beating by Mr Cheney can ameliorate. Mr Cheneys brand of hard headed Conservativism makes it easy for the adept to make them look like brain dead jingositic fools.
remarquee 02/14/2013 03:13 PM Report
Is it any wonder that with such vicious person as Dick Cheney
supporting the far right that people are moving in droves to the left. Even his own party of the privileged want to disown him. His interview with Charlie Rose was an example of pure meanness.
NormaLee 02/14/2013 02:27 PM Report
Thank you Charlie, for your as always gracious handling of the exposure of a fool.
Never once acknowledging the failure of his" presidency" to prevent 9/11, though we all know Bin Laden made very clear he would attack us precisely because of out presence in Arab lands (old news said Rice-cake).So what did Cheney do...and here we are.
marvelousmack 02/14/2013 02:18 PM Report
i watched the interview with Dick Cheney. he sickens me. what a sleaze ball. he is a master at passive aggressive behavior, that is the kindest thing i can say about him.
gcoat 02/14/2013 02:15 PM Report
@22:50 -- Cheney can't even acknowledge that the Bin Laden raid was a risky move. The man lives in Dickville.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/14/2013 12:57 PM Report
Five minutes on "The Daily Show" and there you are Charlie:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-12-2013/still-cheney-after-all-these-years
Cheney's record is shown via clips.
(By the way, CBS, Comedy Central and then on PBS?)
SharkswithfrikingLazers 02/14/2013 12:47 PM Report
Charlie, you looked bad here.
You are 71 and Cheney is 72.
Cheney has a new heart (well new to him) and you have lots and lots of heart work.
You were gray and Cheney's skin looked very healthy.
Take care of yourself buddy.
Dasein 02/14/2013 12:10 PM Report
Hey REMant! If, by your definition, Cheney is a chickenhawk, then what is our host?
REMant 02/14/2013 11:37 AM Report
Mr Cheney may be accustomed to telling the president what to do, but it is doubtful Sen Hagel is, or that the president will pay as much attention to him. IMHO Cheney forfeited any right to comment on "security" issues when he failed to either serve in Vietnam, or oppose that effort, citing other priorities. He should never have been made Defense Secretary himself. He is what has become known as a "chickenhawk." And a man with no principles.
Pearl Harbor has long been suspected to have been no accident, and from what we've learned about intelligence prior to Sept 11, 2001, it may have not been either. In any case they were both certainly bent by those in power to their own ends.
And it certainly doesn't in any case justify the draconian measures adopted to invade private rights in this country, and Iraq militarily or make war on individuals world-wide without declaration duly ratified by the Senate. Arguing that we must divest ourselves of this check on abuse of office, because this is a dangerous world, serves to make it more dangerous by signaling to others that this nation is prepared to attack them without giving it a second thought.
And this doesn't take into account the insanity of support for an insignificant, alien and similarly belligerent nation created on top of occupants long in peaceful possession of their homeland, as if they were savages, or certainly the crusade being waged by fundamentalists there and in this country on the adherents of another form of worship.
Nor the currency wars waged by this country against much of the rest of the world. The past half-century has seen an escalation from Eisenhower's military-industrial complex commensurate with the increased dependence on its banking sector, the result of which has been both to largely liquidate our industry and balloon the size of the military, and "security" budgets, reaching the point that it now has to be paid for by fiat of the central bank. We have exported this inflation overseas resulting in so much turmoil a demand for our "protection" has been created, in a vicious circle. Its profitability to some doesn't however detract from the fact that it is a Ponzi scheme, on the one hand, and a protection racket, on the other, and it can only issue in further catastrophe.
Even so, incessant fighting has demoralized the force such that it supported the candidacy in the recent election of men loathed by Mr Cheney's compatriots, forced it to become more and more mercenary, and rely on more peripheral citizens and mechanical means that kill innocent ppl and enrage local populations.
Internally, these same policies have led to the psychological and social conditions leading to the call for more police, and divided the country, such that I imagine he finds more support in Fairfax County than in Wyoming.
We have, quite frankly, nearly reached the point of the English Civil Wars, or French Revolution and we're going to need assault weapons to defend ourselves from the likes of Richard Cheney and Barack Obama, and the havoc they've wreaked... but it's not personal.