Part 2 of Inauguration Special with Presidential Historians

with Bob Woodward, Michael Beschloss, Robert A. Caro, Jon Meacham and Doris Kearns Goodwin
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    1. ShalomFreedman  01/29/2013 08:31 AM Report

      I am surprised at the lack of real analysis of the Obama foreign policy. Jon Meacham quotes the Vice- President Biden line,"Osama Bin Laden is dead, and Detroit is alive" as if it is the simple plain truth. But in the foreign policy realm Al-Quaeda and not simply it but the whole Islamist collection of fanatic organizations is certainly alive in a good part of the Middle East and Africa. President Obama has withdrawn the troops from Iraq and arms are now freely flowing through Iraq from Iran to Syria. The U.S. did not help those protesting against the Iranian regime. It encouraged the fall of Mubarak and it now has the Muslim Brotherhood and an Egypt in chaos. There is not a single major diplomatic accomplishment of the Obama foreign policy. It is right for the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan but it will leave a vacuum. The U.S. has not figured out to deal with double- dealing Pakistan and when it leaves Afghanistan the Taliban will still be there, and then push for control.Sixty thousand have been killed in Syria already and U.S.ally Saudi Arabia is funding not democratically-friendly groups but radical Islamists.

      Iran continues enriching uranium and defying not only the U.S. but all its allies, and the U.N. It has not been stopped or even slowed up by sanctions. China is pushing in its own way for hegemony in East Asia and continuing its economic policies which are problematic for the U.S. future.

      The problems and challenges are many. They cannot be solved simply by withdrawing and by having a smaller defense budget, however important that is for reducing the Deficit.

      President Obama may be more at home with foreign policy than others thought he would be, but being 'at home' is not the same as having real accomplishments.

      PS Below there are postings by a despicable paranoid anti- Semite who posts by the name Ricardo Amaral. I have long believed the comments for this show should be monitored. Amaral's kind of hysterical and illogical poison has no place in any kind of reasonable and relevant discussion.

    2. citymoments  01/24/2013 10:51 PM Report

      When everyone has 5 thousand pairs of shoes, I think shoe ads and marking will be not needed. Or you think more aggressive shoe ads and marketing are needed to educate a man, so he will purchase another 5 thousand pairs of shoes in addition to his current 5 thousand pairs of shoes ????

      Philosophy Periodical

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    3. citymoments  01/24/2013 10:50 PM Report

      When everyone has 5 thousand pairs of shoes, I think shoe ads and marking will be not needed. Or you think more aggressive shoe ads and marketing are needed to educate a man, so he will purchase another 5 thousand pairs of shoes in addition to his current 5 thousand pairs of shoes ????

      Philosophy Periodical

      http://qnpress.blogspot.com.au/

    4. charliesheep  01/24/2013 01:18 PM Report

      BOEING; WAS -VOTED [MR BOEING]OUT; OF HIS COMPANY[1939] BECAUSE WE [AMERICA] WANTED; IN THE 2ND W.W.- I.E. WE HAD TO "CLIMB" OUT OF JOBS PROBLEM; SOUNDS FAMILIAR- QUALIFIED-; PACIFISTS DESIRES TO SELL COMMERICIAL AIRCRAFT ISN'T REALLY 'WHAT THEY DO'[NOW]! HENCE BOEING LOST HIS SEAT ON HIS OWN COMPANY! THE PROBLEMS WITH AIRCRAFT AND THE COMPANY ARE THE PANAPLEA OF ERRORS THAT PARADES AS JOBS FOR AMERICA- UNION BUSTING -LIARS POOL- JUST-IN-TIME HARNESSES THAT THE JAPANESE BATTERIES BURN UP, I.E. CAUSE FIRES! SO, YES C.E.O. SHOULD ASK; OTHERS "DO WE REALLY NEED TIRES ON OUR PLANES, TO LAND"?

    5. Ricardo_Amaral  01/24/2013 01:15 PM Report

      This group of historians that Charlie Rose interviewed on this show can have a better appreciation for this type of reality check as follows:

      July 25, 2012

      SouthAmerica: Quoting from Emmanuel Todd's book: "The only remaining superiority is military. This is classic for a crumbling system. The final glory is militarism. The fall of the Soviet Union took place in an identical context. Their economy was in decline, and their leadership grew fearful. Their military apparatus gained in size and stature and the Russians embarked on adventures to forget their economic shortcomings. The parallels in the US are obvious."

      No wonder the US government is trigger happy: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, drone strikes in many countries, Syria is the next prey, followed by Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the other countries in the Middles East - and then it will be South America's turn.....

      Emmanuel Todd “The Breakdown of the American Order – After the Empire”

      After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (French: Après L'Empire: essai sur la décomposition du système américain) is a 2001 book by Emmanuel Todd. Todd predicts the fall of the United States as the sole superpower. Todd examines the fundamental weaknesses of the US to conclude that, contrary to American conventional wisdom, America is fast losing its grip on the world stage in economic, military and ideological terms.

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      In January 2004 I posted this information on the Elite Trader Economics forum regarding Emmanuel Todd's book: “After the Empire - The Breakdown of the American Order”

      July 26, 2003

      The Conceited Empire

      A historian credited with predicting the downfall of the Soviet Union in the 1970s now says that the US has been on its way out for the last decade

      The power and influence of the United States is being overestimated, claims French historian and demographer Emmanuel Todd. "There will be no American Empire." "The world is too large and dynamic to be controlled by one power." According to Todd, whose 1976 book predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, there is no question: the decline of America the Superpower has already begun.

      Emmanuel Todd compares the US to 16th century Spain, arguing that US economic power is being undermined by the decline of its industrial base and its increased dependence on other countries to feed its consumption. The power and influence of the United States is being overestimated, claims French historian and demographer Emmanuel Todd. "There will be no American Empire." "The world is too large and dynamic to be controlled by one power." According to Todd, whose 1976 book predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, there is no question: the decline of America the Superpower has already begun.

      Mr. Todd, wrote that America is economically, militarily, and ideologically too weak to actually control the world. The US is still the most powerful nation in the world today, but there are many indicators that they are about to relinquish their position as solitary superpower. He said: “In my 1976 book, La chute finale (Before the Fall: The End of Soviet Domination), I based my prediction of the fall of the Soviet Union on the relevant indicators of the time. An analysis of current demographic, cultural, military, economic, and ideological factors leads me to conclude that the remaining pole of the former bipolar world order will not remain alone in its position. The world has become too large and complex to accept the predominance of one power. There will not be an American Empire.

      The American hegemony from the end of WW II into the late 1980s in military, economic, and ideological terms definitely had imperial qualities. In 1945 fully half the manufactured goods in the world originated in the US. And although there was a Communist-bloc in Eurasia, East Germany, and North Korea, the strong American military, the navy and air force, exercised strategic control over the rest of the globe, with the support and understanding of many allies, whose common goal was the fight against communism. Although communism had some dispersed support among intellectuals, workers, and peasant groups, the power and influence of the US was by and large with the agreement of a majority throughout the world. It was a benevolent empire. The Marshall Plan was an exemplary political and economic strategy. America was, for decades, a 'good' superpower.

      It has, above all, become a weak one. The US no longer has the might to control the large strategic players, primarily Germany and Japan. Their industrial capacity is clearly smaller than that of Europe and approximately equal to that of Japan. With twice the population, this is no great accomplishment.

      Their military potential is nevertheless still the largest by far, but is declining and consistently over estimated. The use of military bases is dependent on the good will of their allies, many of which are not as willing as before. The theatrical military activism against inconsequential rogue states that we are currently witnessing plays out against this backdrop. It is a sign of weakness, not of strength. But weakness makes for unpredictability. The US is about to become a problem for the world, where we have previously been accustomed to seeing a solution in them.

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      Quoting from another interview with Emmanuel Todd regarding his book - This interview was the subject of some discussion at Metafilter.com.

      In a Nutshell:

      The US leadership doesn't know anymore where to turn. They know that they are monetarily dependent on the rest of the world, and they are afraid of becoming inconsequential. There are no more Nazis and Communists. While a demographic, democratic, and politically stabilizing world recognizes that it is increasingly less dependent on the US, America is discovering that it is increasingly dependent on the rest of the world. That is the reason for the rush into military action and adventures. It is classic.

      Classic?

      The only remaining superiority is military. This is classic for a crumbling system. The final glory is militarism. The fall of the Soviet Union took place in an identical context. Their economy was in decline, and their leadership grew fearful. Their military apparatus gained in size and stature and the Russians embarked on adventures to forget their economic shortcomings. The parallels in the US are obvious. The process has significantly accelerated in the past few months.

      ...One of the working propositions of my book, After the Empire is that the concept of military control of the globe no longer makes any sense. In relation to the military, there will be a balance of power in the future. There is still a nuclear balance of power between the US and Russia. The notion that sections of the globe can be controlled through military might is passé, because it is unrealistic. You can destroy regimes and bomb their infrastructure, as the Americans have done in Afghanistan, but the populations -- including those in the developing world -- have become educated and literate enough to eliminate any possibility of re-colonization. The only power that ultimately counts today is economic power.

      ...Most apparent is how clumsy the US has been to date, and how far they have moved away from any notion of universality. They don't see the world as it really is anymore. They are failing in any balanced and fair approach to their allies. All of this reminds me of Germany under Wilhelm II. The US is losing allies steadily. One gets the impression that an office somewhere in Washington has been tasked with the duty to daily prepare a scheme to develop new enemies for the US.

      * * *

      Emmanuel Todd is a 60 year-old Historian and Political Scientist at the National Institute for Demographics in Paris. His research examines the rise and fall of peoples and cultures over the course of thousands of years.

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      Important point regarding Emmanuel Todd's analysis:

      "The only remaining superiority is military. This is classic for a crumbling system. The final glory is militarism. The fall of the Soviet Union took place in an identical context. Their economy was in decline, and their leadership grew fearful. Their military apparatus gained in size and stature and the Russians embarked on adventures to forget their economic shortcomings. The parallels in the US are obvious. The process has significantly accelerated in the past few months."

      Emmanuel Todd wrote about the collapse of the Soviet Union 15 years before the final collapse occurred. In 2003 he predicted the coming collapse of the United States empire, and so far everything it seems to me is going just as he predicted.

      By the way, when the final collapse materialize the first thing to go is the military power. When the rest of the world stop accepting worthless US dollars, then the US military will crumble almost overnight.

      Remember how powerful the Soviet Union military power used to be during the cold war?

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    6. citymoments  01/24/2013 09:26 AM Report

      McNerney graduated from New Trier High School in 1967. He attended Yale University, receiving a B.A. degree in 1971. At Yale he excelled in baseball and hockey. After graduating from Yale he worked for a year at both British United Provident and G. D. Searle & Company, then attended Harvard Business School, receiving a Master of Business Administration in 1975.

      Boeing is a company which makes planes, does it make sense to you the CEO of such an entity ( with a $12m compensation) should have some technical qualifications in relation to engineering? Of course, McNerney can hire a chief engineer to advise him on technical matters. Then, how does a CEO who has no engineering qualification know which engineer is best qualified for the job? To hire another adviser to help him out on how to hire the best engineer?

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    7. citymoments  01/24/2013 09:09 AM Report

      Do you know A few Apples financed by wall st are going to take over the humanity soon? or they have taken us already?

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    8. Ricardo_Amaral  01/24/2013 02:37 AM Report

      January 24, 2013

      SouthAmerica: The Best thing China can do for the long term is to stay away from the Zionists from Israel and the United States.

      USA and Israel

      http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18814

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    9. tabs  01/23/2013 07:11 PM Report

      Listening to Mr Woodward talk about Obama's divisive rather than inclusive style of governing. Plus Mr Mecchams Post War rise and eventual decline of the American middle class and his take that The President does not match his point of view with the sentiment of the people sounds almost exactly like what one has been writing to Mr Rose about for the last 4.5 years. This is truly amazing!

      The truth of the matter is that Mr Romney lost the election rather than President Obama won the election. For Mr Romney has all the self awareness and ability to abstract language as that of a corpse and by contrast President Obama has a rudimentary sense of awareness and is able to abstract ideas and use language. However President Obama is not "all that" his accolytes think he is, maybe as compared to their mindset he is, but to others he is predictiable and ordinary. The great proof is that he did not see nor comprehend that the 2008 financial debacle was the end of an American epoch of hegemony and its attendant wealth and power. For if he did comprehend, he would never have passed a politically pork laden Stimulus Bill nor would he have embarked on an expansion of the Federal role into Health Care at a time of great peril. To this day President Obama refuses to adapt to reality as he continues to say that America does not have a "spending problem" as we are a rich nation that can afford it all and all America has to do is tax those who have the means.

      The question is, why does president Obama continue to the deny reality of the situation when endless numbers of knowledgable and experienced people have continued to express to him the dire nature and consequences of continuing to do business as usual. The answer to that question lies at the bottom of President Obama's ideological perspective of the world.

      President Obama at the end of 2007 told Mr Rose that. "His Mother was the greatest influence on his life and that she was ahhhh... a very socialy conscience person." President Obama was steeped in the 1930's Midwestern Socialist ideology that was so prevalent among working people of that era. In that era they were known as being pro Soviet Union, "Reds" or "Communists." Now the question arises as to why President Obama can not adapt to the realities of the day and see things as they are and not as he wishes to view them? As one has previously stated President Obama tends to stay in a cerebral state of being cool, calm and collected to avoid "messy" and confusing emotions which he can not control. As an aside that one can not control everything, is his inability to stop smoking cigarettes. Thus President Obama does not intergrate his intellect with his emotions. To be able to turn and face reality rather than to cling to his idealized ideological notions of reality The President would have to turn and face the reasons why he chooses to remain in his intellect and not deal with those messy emotions. In other words the President would have to give up control and grab onto those messy emotions and let them carry him where they may. That would require a a trip to the bottom of the soul, one in which one has to rethink all ones preconcieved notions and stories about what reality is. It is much easier and less messy to continue to live in an idealized state of being and that is why President Obama is so ordinary.

      Who was it that said, "An unexamined life is not worth living."

    10. Ricardo_Amaral  01/23/2013 02:31 PM Report

      The neurotic, and paranoid Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tried to interfere in a big way with the last US presidential election.

      And now he continues to interfere with the internal affairs of the US government by trying to block and sabotage

      the nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense.

      Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) in the last few weeks has has traveled to Israel twice to get his instructions from the Zionists in Israel.

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    11. Ricardo_Amaral  01/23/2013 02:18 PM Report

      How the United States let this happen?

      China, the Russians are just watching the relation between Israel with the United States work completely against the self-interest of the United States as a country.

      And few Americans have the courage to bring this subject up.

      What is even more amazing is that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu despise the American politicians, and think that they are a bunch of idiots.

      For the first time in world history, a supposed superpower let a little country that did not even existed 60 years ago manipulate its political system in a mind-boggling way.

      The neurotic, and paranoid Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu comes to Washington and is giving the chance to addresses the US congress – a group of people that he has little regard for.

      When “AIPAC” has its annual event, a large number of Congressmen, Senators, and members of the current administration shows up to that event to pay homage to their masters.

      The irony of this annual fiasco is:

      When neurotic, and paranoid Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is around his people in Israel then he shows his contempt for American politicians and the US political system. Here is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu showing his true colors – At a point in the middle of the video Netanayhu asks the camera man to stop taping, but he continues...

      Netanyahu says what he really thinks for the first time:

      He brags about how easy is to manipulate the USA and he proudly explains how he sabotaged the Oslo process.

      Netanyahu Brags About How Easy It Is To Manipulate The United States.

      *****

      Netanyahu Brags About How Easy It Is To Manipulate The United States

      http://youtu.be/GQTUNHwFA80

      <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GQTUNHwFA80" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

      Please read English Transcript HERE:?

      Bibi:...The Arabs are currently focusing on a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing...

      Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say "how come you're conquering again?"

      Netanyahu: the world won't say a thing. The world will say we're defending.

      Woman: Aren't you afraid of the world, Bibi?

      Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.

      Child: They say they're for us, but, it's like...

      Netanyahu: They won't get in our way. They won't get in our way.

      Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they...

      Netanyahu: So let's say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It's absurd. We have that kind of support and we say "what will we do with the..." Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn't afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price.

      In the following segment, Bibi boasts about how he emptied the Oslo Accords of meaning by an interpretation that made a mockery of them:

      Woman: The Oslo Accords are a disaster.

      Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that...The people [nation] has to know...

      What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: "Will you act according to them?" and I answered: "yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats." "But how do you intend to limit the retreats?" "I'll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the '67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?

      Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.

      Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I'm concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.

      Woman: Right [laughs]...The Beit She'an Valley.

      Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter -- to me and to Arafat, at the same time -- which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: "I'm not signing." Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to me and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.

      Woman: And despite that, one of our own people, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them -- for example -- Hebron...

      Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It's the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: "What would your father say?" I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father's position?

      He's not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: "Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that's the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent." The trick is not to be there and be broken. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price."

      At a point in the middle of the video Netanayhu asks the camera man to stop taping, but he continues...

      Netanyahu says what he really thinks for the first time:

      He brags about how easy is to manipulate the USA and he proudly explains how he sabotaged the Oslo process.

      *****

      The Israeli Lobby - A Danger To The World – August 7, 2012

      http://youtu.be/GKzlVg0d09A

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      Netanyahu addresses US congress – May 24, 2011

      http://youtu.be/yrd2vqr8ONY

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    12. charliesheep  01/23/2013 12:37 PM Report

      THIS YEAR; FINDS PBS-DAIVD FANNING -"FRONTLINE"-TELLING THE ONLY TRUTH; THAT "ZERO" CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS OF BANKERS WHO DREW COMISSIONS AFTER THE FACT WERE BROUGHT FOR FRAUD-I.E. BANK LOANS-ALL;- JAMIE DIMON LOOTED&COLLUDED, J.P.MORGAN-CITBANK-COUNTYWIDE-GOLDMAN-SACHS-LLOYD BLANKFINE; I.E. ALL THOSE FIVE BANKS; WHO TOOK; GOVT. MONEY T.A.R.P.- HAD "TOXIC" ASSETS -LIED TO CONGRESS, IN TESTIMONY BEFORE-SEN.KAUFMAN- AND LANDY BRAUER-DIDN'T DO LEGAL SQUAT -WAFFLED ON PROSECUTORIAL ROLE AND "CHOKED" ON GOVT'S FRAUD CASE PERFORMANCE! I.E. FRONTLINE FOUND;-- THAT SNIDERMANS [NY]ATTNY. ROLE, IS TO[NOW] PULL THE NET "IN" FOR THESE "PIRATES'" OF WALL STREET--THE WHISTLEBLOWERS[THOSE INSIDE THE BEAST] WERE DOUPPED INTO THE ROLE OF; "SIGN EM UP"--ALL COMERS, ROLLED IN TO LOANS THAT--YO MAMMA WOULDN'T TAKE ! BUT REALLY; MEACHAM -HAS NERVE TALKING ABOUT[OBAMAS]LACK OF JOBS- WHEN REALLY, THE 'LIARS POOL" WAS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN! AND FOR 20 YEARS[ALL FRAUDS]

      "PLAYED ON" WALL STREET AND GOVT WAS ITS WILLING-PARTNER TO "LIARS LOANS" MADE --VIS-A-VIS ROBERT REICH,ALAN GREENSPAN AND THE ENTOURAGE OF MASKED "FIVE" BANKS, THAT WERE NEVER FOUND WANTING FOR; COMMISION-OMISSION-WHO US-REALLY?

    13. REMant  01/23/2013 11:31 AM Report

      Kevin Phillips remarked in an interview the other day that he'd known many politicians in his life, and: "Believe me they don't read history." Those who have, have read such bad popularizations and come away with ridiculous notions, it would have been better if they hadn't. Hugo Black is a great example, but the current court seems to do no better, and from what has been published about recent presidential reading they appear to be in good company. Bush may have thought he was President McKinley; this president, clearly, that he's Lincoln incarnate. It is peculiar tho that those who most rely on it, are the same ones who also declare that each generation makes its own.

      Presidents, justices and Congresspersons are not alone in this bubble: the entire Washington establishment views things in as distorted a fashion as any Manhattan denizen, and is awash in asylum seekers and other immigrants on top of that. Small wonder its collective head is so full of foreign wars, terrorists and world government.

      FDR said he hated war, too. But he started spending on it years before. People still think he connived with Churchill to sacrifice Pearl Harbor, an idea hatched even before the bombs started falling.

      Not only have our presidents continually lied about the reasons for going to war, they have for some time now tried to wage them in ways to reduce their political fallout, and it seems the present president is no different. Before you conclude he's winding wars down, ask yourself how much is being spent on drones, CIA operatives, satellites, supercomputers and other nation's militaries.