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A discussion about Lance Armstrong's doping confession with David Epstein of Sports Illustrated; Juliet Macur of The New York Times; Daniel Coyle, co-author of "The Secret Race" and Sally Jenkins of The Washington Post
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JJuchniewicz 02/20/2013 10:07 PM Report
I think that the International Cycling Union (UCI), has pushed Lance Armstrong's case to far. Armstrong in my eyes, was doing what he had to do in order to win. Many people might disagree, surely Armstrong was not the only cyclist to ever use blood transfusions and enhancing drugs, he was the one who won and got caught. Many people might now have a hatred for Armstrong for "cheating" but we live in a competitive world and many people/athletes take drugs to be the best, they also have higher paid people to help cheat the system and cover their cases up. In the video they talk about how Armstrong made this sport famous, which should be true in everyone's mind, and the UCI could not just let go of the fact that Armstrong was such a great athlete. I can not find the quote at the moment, but I saw where Armstrong says even though they have stripped him of the titles and erased his name from the books, he will always be remembered for winning the races and the other competitors will remember him winning the races. So to remove his name is just absurd and meaningless. The link just is background information about this story:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-armstrong-stripped-tour-de-france-titles-banned/story?id=17535635
citymoments 01/24/2013 10:59 PM Report
When everyone has 5 thousand pairs of shoes, I think shoe ads and marking will be not needed. Or you think more aggressive shoe ads and marketing are needed to educate a man, so he will purchase another 5 thousand pairs of shoes in addition to his current 5 thousand pairs of shoes ????
Philosophy Periodical
http://qnpress.blogspot.com.au/
citymoments 01/21/2013 01:07 AM Report
Philosophically Speaking.
http://qnpress.blogspot.com.au/
jason 01/19/2013 02:59 AM Report
let's not pile on. no doubt, Lance Armstrong is a despicable human being to the highest degree. however, except for an extremely few, like David Walsh of Sunday Times, most so called journalists were cheerleaders for Armstrong during his 10+ doping years. including one Charlie Rose. Mr. Rose provided a forum for Armstrong's self promotion for over 12 yrs, not once, not twice but 10 (TEN) times! not even once Mr. Rose confronted Armstrong for his doping, lying, cheating. all you have was "soft ball" questions. so now, y'all become holy men/women piling on???!!!
NeilMacCallister 01/18/2013 09:59 AM Report
Are you a Socialist, Mr. Armstrong?
"No, ..I have never been a Socialist."
But you have just won 2 races saying you will "Tax the Rich to provide money to the government, so that the government can grow large and maybe someday offer a victory for the people who are NOT in government".
A lot of people say that sounds like a Socialist.
"Yes, many people make such wild claims! ..But you know very well that I have been photographed after every single one of my Press Conferences -- and that I have ALWAYS had an American flag pin in my lapel."
Some people are suggesting that you knew those photo shots were coming, and that you craftily put that flag-pin in your lapel.
"Those people are all dirty liars. They are just sore losers. I will crush them."
sharm 01/18/2013 01:31 AM Report
This Armstrong worship by journalists is a lesson to you, Charlie. I always wonder about journalistic integrity when journalists get too chummy and become buddies with their subjects.
Your interviewees probably wondered the same thing about you, Charlie, on this segment, but probably were either too polite or too grateful to be on your show to say anything.
spanishgringo 01/17/2013 12:19 PM Report
So, not a good year for Sally Jenkins and her trust+defense of bad apples. First Joe Paterno and now Lance Armstrong. Start looking at who else she has written glowing profiles of in the last few years and you may have a head start on the next big scandal.
Lance has no valid defense. The biggest problem is not the doping, but how he handled himself in his indignant denial and intimidation of others for the last 10+ years.
Shame on Lance and shame on Sally for not being able to hold him accountable.
finalfantasytown 01/17/2013 07:37 AM Report
I have some questions here
why did Prometheus create mankind? why did Prometheus create animal sacrifice? why did Pandora have all gifts from Gods? why was mankind made out of clay while Pandora was made out of earth? Is it possible that all lives except human being peacefully live on this planet for ever or for a long time? Does Zeus know how to leave? Is it possible for human being to live on this planet for a long time? why do all Gods play this lethal game?
the question order is messed up because of double blinking from movie 'ghost protocol'
Gelles 01/17/2013 07:35 AM Report
Celebrities are not just winners of lotteries picked at random. They do exceptional things evidencing talent beyond the ordinary. Behind their deeds lies character and a detailed life. We, the admiring public, never know the whole story.
Every so often scandal destroys a myth. Without such scandal, myth persists.
Is there any lesson in these facts? I believe the myths I love and trust have been a plus. Total cynicism is not appealing. One solution is "moderation" in all things: do not let hero worship unbalance your grip on reality and human foibles. But, take your heroes as we take candy and desert. They are real pleasures. But they are not the rock of Gibraltar, on which to build who you are and what you do. Try not to be a fan or member of the mob, the herd, the crowd, who become the objects manipulated by criminal minds and criminal appetites. But be open to the genius and generosity of others. They are our parents, by adoption: not of us by them but of them by us. And they do not all have to be famous. People whom we know for real can also set examples we take to heart that enrich everyone and everything of which we are aware.
terken 01/16/2013 11:52 PM Report
It appears Sally doesn't want to burn any bridges when it comes time to decide a co-writer for the confessional book.
docmidnyte 01/16/2013 11:00 PM Report
Neither Armstrong, nor Oprah possess an ounce of shame.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:35 PM Report
Here are the correct questions Charlie:
http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2013/01/15/lance-armstrong-oprah-e-m-swift
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:32 PM Report
Charlie, here you are again.
Colbert on Lady O and he mentions you Charlie.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/422891/january-15-2013/lance-armstrong-s-inter view-with-oprah
(Interesting choice of sex language by the O. Too bad she is now part of the problem by profiting off of it.)
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:26 PM Report
At least Jon Stewart comes clean and admits his interview skills missed it:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-15-2013/mr--fibb
(Charlie, we can hear your voice at the beginning.)
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:19 PM Report
Charlie, your other team:
CBS newsmagazine 60 Minutes is standing by its story centered on the Lance Armstrong doping case, which aired a few weeks ago (May 2011), after Armstrong's lawyers demanded an apology early Wednesday.
In a statement issued by Jeff Fager, chairman of CBS News and an executive producer of 60 Minutes, he said, "60 Minutes stands by its story as truthful, accurate and fair."
Lawyers for Armstrong demanded an apology by 60 Minutes accusing the newsmagazine of bad journalism for the May 22 segment. The letter said the report was built on a series of falsehoods.
Lance Armstrong sucks but those who put him on a pedestal-- and made money off of him (Oprah, this is you too)--are pathetic. America is all the worse because we have lost another level of trust.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:12 PM Report
Here is your 15 second moment of Zen:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-15-2013/moment-of-zen---lance-armstrong-s-drug-of-choic e
I see a future for Lance involving Collateralized Debt Obligations, Credit Default Swaps and Total Return Swaps. He fits the profile.
SharkswithfrikingLazers 01/16/2013 07:02 PM Report
Lance Armstrong is a liar and a cheat and we can thank the press for helping him to deceive us for over a decade.
Aside from womanizing, throwing the occasional hissy fit and merely acting like he’s better than any other average human, he’s also threatened a few people -- allegedly -- like former Tour De France winner Greg LeMond.
HE LEFT HIS WIFE FOR SHERYL CROW.
Lance Armstrong just wanted to soak up the sun, so in 2003 he divorced his wife Kristin and soon after dated singer Sheryl Crow. The first cut proved to be the deepest for Kristin, the wife who stood beside Lance throughout his rigorous battle with cancer and raised his kids while he was off biking around France.
The move had the “I’m famous now, I can do better” feel to it, which requires a certain type of class.
Simply put: Lance abandoned the person who never abandoned him.
Crow got her own taste as Lance again felt some change would do him good when he broke it off with Crow just three months into their engagement. He claimed that she pressured him to have kids and then later had a kid with his next woman, Anna Hansen.
RocKSoliDMN 01/16/2013 02:51 PM Report
I want to put this out there, so no more stupid people make comments without doing some research first. Did u know steriods first started showing up back in the 1950's on the USA weightlifting team. So u got to think then people have been taking them in sports for at least 60 years now. Plus now they got doping stuff out there that they cant even test for. So you will never get doping out of sports.
REMant 01/16/2013 12:45 PM Report
One gets the impression athletes have used various drugs and other methods to "enhance performance" as much and as often as women use silicone to enhance their chests. While I am not a fan of either, I am not sure it is any more or less bad than metal clubs and bats, fiberglass poles and rackets, etc, but if we are going to be holding races and giving prizes, we ought to level the playing field, as they say, and those likely to be influenced by these heroes be allowed to see how their achievements are achieved. It's the dishonesty and lack of transparency that's wrong. I think there probably are a vast number of other prominent and equally dishonest athletes yet to be uncovered or come forward. In addition, as was mentioned, Armstrong has apparently unlawfully and/or wrongfully harmed others, and deserves to be prosecuted or sued for it. And with that comes the possibility of prosecution and suits for aiding and covering-up. And I'd prosecute Oprah, too, while I was at it.
Sally's views are not I think uncommon in the sports world.