A discussion about the shootings in Connecticut

with Jeffrey Lieberman, John Miller and Richard Aborn
in Current Affairs
on Monday, December 17, 2012 * * * * *

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We look at the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut with Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, Chairman of Psychiatry at Columbia University and Director of the New York State Psychiatric Institute, John Miller, former FBI official and Richard Aborn, President of the Citizens Crime Commission of New York City

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crime
politics
regulations
gun control
Guns
Connecticut
Newtown
mental health
Sandy Hook

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    1. SharkswithfrikingLazers  01/08/2013 04:58 PM Report

      Charlie's old boss:

      On Democracy

      NRA’s Vision: A Nation Packing Heat

      January 4, 2013

      by Bill Moyers and Michael Winship

      http://billmoyers.com/2013/01/04/nra%E2%80%99s-vision-a-nation-packing-heat/

      According to Slate.com and the Twitter feed @GunDeaths, at this writing, in just those few weeks since the Newtown slaughter of the innocent, more than 400 have died from guns in America.

      Have you seen the reports in both the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) and The Washington Post of how, 16 years ago, the NRA managed to get Congress to pull funding on gun violence studies at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention?

      Since then, JAMA reports, “… at least 427,000 people have died of gunshot wounds in the United States, including more than 165,000 who were victims of homicide. To put these numbers in context, during the same time period, 4586 Americans lost their lives in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

      There’s even a section that was snuck into President Obama’s Affordable Care Act that prevents doctors from collecting information on their patients’ gun use.

    2. Razor  12/19/2012 11:28 AM Report

      For all the black helicopter crowd - if you are really worried about the government taking away your freedom, then I would be worried about a group like ALEC. The days of taking over a country by force are long gone. There are less conspicuous ways of usurping power. If the people are really naive, they might even help you.

    3. Razor  12/19/2012 11:06 AM Report

      @REMant It's obvious you are desperately groping about for some defense of something that is very difficult to justify. A society without the threat of automatic weapons is just better.

    4. tabs  12/18/2012 09:35 PM Report

      Here is something that people should consider as being a partial causality of the recent tragedy's. With the current economic malaise and the dysfunctional of the political leadership in the nation there is UNCERTAINTY in the air which causes stress, fear, and anxiety which trickles on down to the more fragile members of society who are less able to have effective coping mechanisms and as such become more reactive to such uncertainty.

    5. MisterMittster  12/18/2012 06:58 PM Report

      To think about this, is to get sick and throw up.

      Unless your the media, the psychopathic media 'personalities' types. They can't shut-up, they're so in love with their ignorant opinions that they can't give it break and just pray

      Will God Forgive Us?!

    6. REMant  12/18/2012 02:05 PM Report

      This para somehow got cut and not pasted anywhere:

      AP reported David Gregory, the host of "Meet the Press," said NBC invited all 31 "pro-gun" senators to appear on Sunday's show, and all 31 declined. And that all eight Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee were unavailable or unwilling to appear on CBS' "Face the Nation," according to Bob Schieffer. The legislator who did have the courage to appear recited the facts: "every time guns have been allowed - conceal-carry have been allowed - the crime rate has gone down." Gun-control advocates say conversely that gun deaths are lower in 70% of states with strong gun laws. That may be true, but the murder rate is the same. And the murder rate in the US is not as Mayor Bloomberg alleges the highest in the industrialized world, when age and race is taken into account. If one compares Europeans to Americans by age, the rate is identical. Europeans are a great deal older on average than Americans. Asian-Americans murder fewer ppl than white Americans, but still more than Japan where the avg age is older. The African-American rate is far higher, but below South Africa's.

    7. REMant  12/18/2012 11:33 AM Report

      My guess is that Dr. Lieberman has never read a single volume of American history, law or political philosophy. Nor any reviewed any crime statistics, because there's no evidence for the assertion that mental illness is a significant factor in crime of any type. Individualism reflects concern for society a great deal more than collectivism does, or so we've always believed, and I have no idea how one practices psychiatry without attempting to inculcate personal responsibility. Perhaps by prescribing drugs, and shoving patients into institutions. But what could be more selfish than that? And even if such rampages do reflect a lack of self-control, does that make them an alien force? What the present has in common with 1994 is the economic situation, and whose fault, I ask you, is that? I heard one of Lieberman's Columbia colleagues making the same sort of outrageous remarks as these a day or so ago, and if I had a youngster in school there, I'd fear for his mental well-being. For the rest see my comments on Bloomberg's idiocy.