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Ricardo_Amaral  10/16/2012 08:27 PM Report

Middle East Meltdown and US Foreign Policy

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=28f527e49ec1162f882b93b609a2626d&threadid=72712&perpag e=6&pagenumber=70

October 16, 2012

SouthAmerica: Here is another example of "Operation Clueless" in the Middle East going according to plan for the old USA.....

The name "Operation Clueless" is very important in this case, because it defines what the United States is trying to accomplish in the Middle East.

The name “Operation Clueless” is also important, because when you don't have a clue about what you are doing any result it will be O.K.

In a Nutshell: US foreign policy is so incompetent that amounts to nothing more than a very sad JOKE.

Today the leaders of any country has to be completely “Brain Dead” to follow the “Pathetic” leadership of the United States.

Extremism Export: US admits arms sent to Syria find jihadists – October 16, 2012

http://youtu.be/f0Q9o-ChtrQ

Most of the weapons being smuggled to the Syrian rebels from abroad, are bolstering the strength of Islamic extremists. That's according to US officials, who say radical elements are poised to take over Syria, if Assad falls.

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/16/2012 02:09 AM Report

October 16, 2012 - SouthAmerica: This thread has been moved from the "economics forum" to the "chit chat forum" - this has raised the "red flag" regarding the subject matter of this thread.

That means you guys in Wall Street must be in "PANIC" mode regarding the stock market...

I am posting the following info in many places around the web to bring the attention to this thread:

We have had a nice discussion going on since February of 20008 on the Elite Trader Economics forum about “Over 75 years ago Wall Street Crashed; but today the New Crash is already underway...” - now this thread has been moved to the “chit chat forum” – the place where the Elite Trader web manager move threads when they don't want people to see it.

There is great information on this discussion about the new “Great Depression” that is underway and about the coming stock market crash that is ahead of us...

They must be nervous, because we are in October the traditional month for Wall Street market crashes – Wall Street loves a good stock market crash during the month of October!!!!!

Here is where they moved this information about the coming stock market crash that they don't want people from around the world to see it:

“Over 75 years ago Wall Street Crashed; but today the New Crash is already underway...”

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=3e1dbabaf93dfd486728aa993a754398&threadid=117003&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=38

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/15/2012 08:06 PM Report

US “Operation Clueless” or Gulf War III it has been underway, and you can follow its progress at:

The name "Operation Clueless" is very important in this case, because it defines what the United States is trying to accomplish in the Middle East.

The name “Operation Clueless” is also important, because when you don't have a clue about what you are doing any result it will be O.K.

Middle East Meltdown and US Foreign Policy

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=e6bc3608b2cb9cc516b808973ca55861&threadid=72712&perpag e=6&pagenumber=70

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October 15, 2012 - SouthAmerica:

Here is another example of "Operation Clueless" in the Middle East going bad for the old USA.....

'US aggression bound to ignite world war' – October 15, 2012

http://youtu.be/USGSd_YWKqU

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/14/2012 01:52 PM Report

@caucazhin - By the way, in the last 12 years good government policies in Brazil lifted the boats of 40 million Brazilians to the middle class.

In contrast with US government policies in the United States in the last 12 years sunk the boats of about 40 million people and placed all this people in the poor house in complete destitution.

Here is the example of a country that is on its way up with great prospects for the future, and another that is collapsing and imploding and is sinking faster than the "Titanic."

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/14/2012 01:44 PM Report

@caucazhin - When Bill Clinton left office in January 2001 there were 17 million people receiving food stamps.

When George Bush Jr. left office in January 2009 there were 33 million people receiving food stamps.

At the end of Barack Obama first-term in January 2013 there will be about 46 million people receiving food stamps.

Note: The big increase of food stamps recipients of 7 million people happened in the first year of the Barack Obama administration when he inherited a collapsing economy from the prior administration.

If we take in consideration the actual performance of each administration and the result of its policies, then we need to adjust the figures of the Bush administration for us to have a actual result of its performance, and in that case the policies of the Bush administration left behind 40 million people receiving food stamps.

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caucazhin  10/13/2012 02:05 PM Report

Im an INDEPENDANT and I have to say Katty Kay hit it right on the $$$. Biden was condesending and arrogant. He and Obama both came across in their debates as pompous know it all overlords. And talk about old ideas hes an old stale peice of white bread who ran unsuccessfully for President more than once whos been in Washington all his life.

He and our FOOD STAMP President should go live in the globalist political socialist stench hole of an armpit called Europe and quit trying to ruin America.

YeOleMittster  10/13/2012 01:46 PM Report

I think that the candidates should spend 90 minutes smacking each other across the face with a pair of white gloves. the one with more blood on their gloves after time is up, Wins

YeOleMittster  10/13/2012 01:43 PM Report

I don't think Joe Biden intends to assasinate President Obama, because he would have done it by now. He wants to be king of the world, but I don't think he would stoop so low to get it. As long as he stays sober.

YeOleMittster  10/13/2012 01:37 PM Report

After watching that debate, I'm glad I never wasted any time or money WHITENNING my teeth. My God! Joe Biden's teeth is like looking directly into the sun! He's trying to blind us with kindnuss!

Thank you very much Joe; but no thank you, you can keep that dentist's name to youself. Thank goodness you're not shopping for larger breasts, because what a Freaky Bimbo you would be. Hate to think of it

Ricardo_Amaral  10/13/2012 01:00 PM Report

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=74399acadbcb560377bc2eaa52c43182&threadid=240772&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=485

October 13, 2012

SouthAmerica: It seems that at the end of the day, people who are entirely normal like Mitt Romney it does not ensure good leadership; in fact, it often entails the reverse.

Research shows that people like Mitt Romney who are entirely normal – or “homoclitic” to use the psychological jargon – do not make great leaders.

Mitt Romney is too mentally “balanced” to be effective in a crisis!

Financial Times (UK) – October 13 / October 14, 2012

“When political madness works”

By: Gillian Tett

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/13/2012 01:00 PM Report

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=74399acadbcb560377bc2eaa52c43182&threadid=240772&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=485

October 13, 2012

SouthAmerica: It seems that at the end of the day, people who are entirely normal like Mitt Romney it does not ensure good leadership; in fact, it often entails the reverse.

Research shows that people like Mitt Romney who are entirely normal – or “homoclitic” to use the psychological jargon – do not make great leaders.

Mitt Romney is too mentally “balanced” to be effective in a crisis!

Financial Times (UK) – October 13 / October 14, 2012

“When political madness works”

By: Gillian Tett

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rtb  10/13/2012 10:41 AM Report

I have to agree with the comments regarding Lowry; add to that strident list Halperin, although I'm sick and tired of everything requiring balance. "Ok, he did shoot ten innocent people, BUT he came from a broken home".

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 03:10 AM Report

Charlie Rose has a fascination with the narrative: bipartisan and moderate for Romney last week and really swung the needle.

Thanks Charlie. But the narrative is that Obama was trying to celebrate 20 years of marriage and Michele goes to bed at 10 pm.

So he went into the debate fighting a "love hangover" and exhibited classic symptoms after increased dopaminergic activity.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:57 AM Report

Economic plan—nothing more on turning the economy around. No positive agenda just bad things about the other guy.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

A thousand times yes.

Please shed a tear with me.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:54 AM Report

Katty Kay: Paul Ryan clear and concise and held his own. Pretty much a wash based upon polls. Biden constant smiling and shaking his head. Biden’s strongest moment saying his whole life he has been defending the middle class.

Thanks Katty. Yes, Biden has defended my class since he was a fetus (is that too early or still part of his whole life?) and that was his strongest moment.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:49 AM Report

67M watched the debate last week.

WOW!

And we only need 150K to change their minds according to Mike Murphy.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:47 AM Report

Does this debate somehow have an impact?

Yes, you all get a paycheck.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:45 AM Report

Gwen Ifill: much on foreign policy.

Thanks Gwen. Too much time on foreign policy.

Most Americans think we already spend too much on foreign aid and they sure don't want to hear about it. Those undecideds most likely turned the channel quickly. So then the debate was just talking in the wind instead of moving forward on this never ending election.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:37 AM Report

John Heilemann: can’t wait to see what Saturday night does with it. Lots of lampoonable stuff in the debate.

Thanks John. Yes but is it Sarah Palin quality. That is what we really need to know.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:36 AM Report

Mark Halperin: Paul Ryan is ready to be President.

Thanks Mark but I am not ready to have him in my living room. His faces at Biden had me laughing out loud.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2012 02:34 AM Report

Rich Lowery: Biden was off putting, obnoxious and rude. He had too many smirks.

Thanks Rich. It is good to know what the Grandmas in America are saying.

richard-lipscombe  10/12/2012 07:29 PM Report

The Democrats are suppose to be the progressives... Forward is the Obama slogan... Forward to where... Forward to an antiquated idea - the middle class? Grow the middle class? Bring back the good old days of the urban-industrial economy of the 1950s? In a digital global economy the middle class is not manufacturing workers, steel workers, green energy workers, etc that Obama/Biden like to talk about... The digital economy middle income group are people who are self employed - they are trades people, home-based business mums, professionals who work on contracts not full time jobs, etc... Free State Nation by Dan Pink identified these folks a long time ago...Obama/Biden are not progressives but revisionists...Why? They are that way because middle class jobs have always been the redistribution mechanism...Good paying jobs in economic sectors that are disappearing...Because those jobs are disappearing in America - not in Germany, Australia, Korea, China, India, etc - the role of government has had to grow... The role of government in America is now to redistribute wealth not to do what the founding fathers intended it to do...I went into government service in my youth to help redistribute wealth in my country - I found that governments do it poorly...So there is a dilemma in American politics - the occupy movement is right there has to be a way to create more equity but the tea party movement is also right there has to be a way to reduce the burden of government on current and future generations of Americans...It is all about redistribution of wealth in America today - the problem is there are not enough middle income jobs to do the heavy lifting so America is in decline!

Great to see that American politicians are debating the real issues of the day...America's decline is a worry for the world not just the swing voters in battleground states...

cheers, richard

frankelee  10/12/2012 06:35 PM Report

A pretty weak show with almost no substance. No one even covered the overall debate win by Vice President Joe Biden, is even PBS afraid that it would be too damaging to ratings and too offensive to viewers to report what actually happened to those who did not get to see it? And also, why have such a large cast when they're not contributing anything meaningful? Rich Lowry acts as if Fox News sent him a picture of his paycheck tied to chair with a bomb around its neck. He's obviously not there to add to the conversation, he just wants to add cable-news style spin, so why is he invited? And Katty Kay, I'm sure she's a fine journalist, but all she had to talk about was to question what Joe Biden's smiling might mean to undecided voters. Is that high level debate analysis? Ignoring any issues covered and instead wondering how the body language of the candidates meant to people who aren't smart enough to base their vote on beliefs and who would serve the country best? And to then not even have any answers, just raise a worthless question and leave it at that? Not necessary on an already way overcrowded attempt at a conversation. I like political news, but if the Charlie Rose Show isn't going to bother doing a decent job covering the debate, than why do they bother?

Sugarland  10/12/2012 06:20 PM Report

The campaigns, and in particular the widely watched debates, have been a major disappointment to me. It now appears that Romney/Ryan have moved to the center encroaching on Obama/Biden policies. Their argument is that Obama is a nice guy but can’t lead and they are better at executing the policies. If Romney wins then he will face the same critique in four years. Why? Because a significant of amount power no longer resides with the democratically elected. The USA has a big time Plutocracy problem.

The discussions should be about how to restructure the USA back into a democracy. Deficit and abortion arguments, even the loss of a stellar Diplomat in the fog of revolution and war, do not address the slipping away of the dynamic system set in place just a few centuries back that recognized the contributions of everyman to society. De-regulation won’t work. That simply hands over more power to the plutocrats.

Debates on the following would be most instructive:

1) Financial system- Greenspan was totally disillusioned when he realized the system cannot be self governing. Big banks do themselves and the USA a major disservice in stonewalling Dodd-Frank. Knowledgeable people within the system, including Europe, are calling (yelling!) for the Big Banks to be broken up so the system can be stabilized. The USA can no longer tolerate the instability that swings the economy into recessions every few years. There are too many unelected, morally challenged individuals with control of major amounts of money and the power that goes with it.

2) Education – Emphasis is on STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics). All difficult subjects. Young brains will be trained to produce the Intellectual Property (IP) that will drive the societies of the 21 st century. The IP that they can never own. Plutocrats will own it.

3) Medical – Spectacular advances are being made by scientists using nano, genes, stem cells, DNA, information technology, etc. The delivery of these wonders to all has been deemed to be good policy. Does this increase costs? We don’t know but probably not necessarily so. A big help would be for the plutocrats who are gaming the delivery systems to be eliminated.

4) Military Industrial Complex – Eisenhower warned us to keep an eye on it. Can’t be done. It is a world in itself. The plutocrats running it have a free reign. Do we need to be the World’s supplier of arms? What does that do to the political stability of the World?

Veritrue  10/12/2012 03:53 PM Report

Talk about agenda by Rich Lowry. People like him have made me be turned off by CR show and I've been watching it since 96.

Where as Ifill came across rather unbiased (even if her husband has connection to the administration ) Lowry was spinning these debate. People like Lowry know that opinions are as much formed by the debate as they are by the post analysis and headlines. So they are pushing hard to change the narrative.

To say what Romney put on the first debate had substance and civility is the biggest joke of all. Unless you think bullying an old commentator and spewing lies counts as civility with substance. Romney didn't really win that debate as much as the president lost it. Simple as that.

lpr  10/12/2012 02:55 PM Report

I have to say I am surprised to see , again , Rich Lowry on the Charlie Rose program.... I understand that the aim is to have a broad political overview of the different opinions generated by the debate but I fail to see how someone who thinks torture is acceptable has a place at Charlie's table. In fact I feel a bit insulted as a viewer.

tabs  10/12/2012 12:51 PM Report

One thing is certain from this debate, and that is Mr Ryan can not walk, talk nor chew gum at the same time or as the Up Town Swells would put it, "He can not multitask." The reason for this assessment is that he could not put away the 8Th grade like buffoonery of the Joe Show and still stick to his own agenda. This failure shows a lack of a command presence in knowing how to deal with all kinds of exigencies as they arise. As such the Joe Show was able to take command of center stage.

Never the less Mr Ryan is a policy wonk of the first order,as he knows the facts and figures and has presented a plan for better or worse depending upon your POV. But however you want to characterize his political position he is a very solid guy. Mr Ryan thought substance and not buffoonery would carry the day, however even prudence must realize that one can not let buffoonery at your expense go unchallenged.

Mr Biden's behavior was so exaggerated as to be unbelievable which means it was an act designed to be dismissive of anything that Mr Ryan had to say. In other words Mr Biden would have laughed at God if he had been there instead of Mr Ryan. The Joe Show's agenda was to be dismissive, to bait, to annoy in order to throw Mr Ryan off his agenda and to take command of center stage. While the Joe Show was not able to bait nor throw Mr Ryan off his agenda his 8Th Grade Bufoonery was able to take command of center stage and in a Presidential Election debate where two men go in and one man comes out it was enough. However Mr Biden is going to pay a price for that enough.

Ricardo_Amaral  10/12/2012 12:05 PM Report

I am saturated of presidential debates, since I did watch the 21 Republican Party debates.

Last week I did watch the presidential debate only for a 1/2 hour, because that debate was very boring and did put me to sleep.

On last night's debate Joe Biden won by a larger margin than the political talking heads try to spin regarding what we saw on our TV.

It is laughable the way all these political pundits analyze the performance of the US economy - as if the US economic and financial system works in a vacuum and it's not affected by the events of a collapsing Euro Zone, and international monetary system.

After I mentioned to my friends about 2 weeks ago that I had not seen a single car bumper sticker about the the 2012 presidential election - for both parties Republicans and Democrats - my friends also agree with me and they told me that they also had not seem a single bumper sticker here in the New Jersey/New York area.

I have been paying attention to see if I see at least one bumper sticker about this presidential election, but I still looking for to spot the first one.

If you take the spin BS out there's no doubt that Joe Biden beat a shit out of Paul Ryan last night.

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REMant  10/12/2012 11:46 AM Report

The vice-president avoided answering questions, making stump speeches and rehearsing bogus claims instead, sniggered and continually interrupted his opponent. He constantly complained about equal time, but I suspect like his boss, he used more of it.

For instances, the auto industry was saved in the Bush admin and Romney suggested only that bankruptcy would have prevented the unions from unduly benefiting. There was in fact plenty of cronyism in the alternative energy portion of the stimulus, plenty of unnecessary infrastructure work, plenty of make work, and, and if little sign of fraud, little sign it has had any substantial effect on a real recovery. But you can't drive anywhere in the DC 'burbs without running into someone putting in wheelchair ramps or fancy median strips, replacing bridges or adding more HOV lanes, or repaving, tho as soon as they do, they invariably dig it all up again. No wonder the pols think the economy is great. (Glenn Kessler deals with the factual quibbles well: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-vice-presidential-debate/2012 /10/12/e900404a-13d0-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html?hpid=z2)

And indeed the Fed's actions to support it all have made things worse. And raised the cost of health care as well.

Taxes have increased with bracket creep and this money used to provide benefits for various constituencies, (like the AARP whose only interest I'm convinced is in itself.) It was and remains necessary to lower taxes and reduce govt spending, if instead of continually redistributing, we ever intend to balance the budget, as well as, increase the savings rate if we expect household budgets to balance and new investments to be made. It may, as a result of the inflation in asset values, be fair to tax this windfall, but it won't, as Ryan said, have any impact on raising the revenue needed at current levels of spending. But Biden is right, it isn't possible either to preserve tax expenditures and balance the budget.

Yet the 47% business is bogus, approx this percent of people are for the president, about the same percent don't pay incomes taxes and ditto receive govt monies, and Romney never indicated there's a connection among them.

And so is the 15% capital gains canard, which was lowered to that level under both Dem and Rep admins so that investment income would not be overtaxed in comparison with earned income due to the corporate tax.

The vice-president scored points pointing out that the Congress cut the budget for embassy security, tho Kessler says it isn't exactly true, tho it is unlikely to have made any difference in Libya, and he had the best of the Afghanistan issue, which we know he wasn't in favor of to begin with. The policy, however, will still fail, and it won't be helped by more US troops unless we intend to make Afghanistan and Pakistan the 51st and 52nd states. Americans have no more desire to see our troops in Afghanistan than in Iraq. IMHO tho Biden didn't help things by sounding like we were using the Afghans to do our dirty work. But I wouldn't have either of their Iran or Syria policies.

Nor I suspect did the vice-president help himself by reminding us that the two single women the admin appointed to the Supreme Court were selected only for their open-mindedness.

Nevertheless, I suspect Biden would have been considerably more conservative in both foreign and domestic policy than Obama has been, and more adroit concerning health care. I could live with him as president, tho I can't at the moment see Ryan in the Oval Office.

I can't see how this debate tho absolves the president of his own performance, and like Lowry, Halperin, and Kay, and many others online, I thought Biden sounded like an ass. (As usual I didn't watch him, which I understand made him look worse.) And since it was brought up, IMHO Clinton has, too. But I did think Raddatz controlled the agenda and not the vice president (and Lehrer did, too).

The "needle swung," or rather the dial twisted, in the first debate when Romney showed empathy, not more moderation, "and that's a fact." I can find no info on bipartisanship and female attitudes. And I don't find any change in the Republican positions. But Hunt is no doubt right that the town hall format should limit the attempt to campaign before a national audience. (I mean what is campaigning these days but using visits to your supporters to get free air time?)

We also didn't have better economic numbers this past Friday. We had contradictory numbers and contradictory interpretations of them from the BLS itself, and the only conclusion one can draw is that the BLS cannot tell you why part-time employment surges every September, because it doesn't have the data on student, or undocumented alien employment, which might. The claim of 873,000 jobs would make it the largest one-month increase since 1983. It is entirely possible, too, that employment has increased as more ppl go on disability and thus are no longer counted - about 2.2 million have been added to the roles in the past two years, many about when their unemployment ran out. It's been reported Darden Restaurants just limited its 150,000 or so employees to 28 hours a week to get under the Obamacare mandate, meaning it will be hiring some new ones to take up the slack, but that's not increased employment. Manufacturing employment tho dropped, as have durable goods orders, and consumer spending was flat. The employment-to-population ratio has remained stuck for the last several years.

I think the Dems have accused Republicans of extremism, lying about it, and not caring for the "little ppl" all along, mostly because they've never tried to understand their premises. These guys simply talk past each other like Keynesians and classicals.

I am puzzled, BTW, about what the GOP has been saying about Susan Rice's statement on the Sunday talk shows. She said there was a protest which they now feel was hijacked by terrorists. That was the best understanding at the time and better than what most ppl were then saying and I was surprised the admin went that far. But better it was a terrorist operation than a mass anti-American movement for all concerned.