Charlie Rose

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 04:48 PM Report

...the republicans did it to themselves, by over-selling and over-reaching with the deregulating of the banking 'system'. Now they have to pay the piper for their indisgretions. It may be many many many years before sheeples like you will be able to enjoy a republican president. So just grim and bear it. :(

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 04:29 PM Report

... now a days, if you work, you lose. you're best off not working, not producing, but gambling with somebody elses savings for a living. Which according to republicans, "produces jobs".

It wasn't like that 25 years ago.

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 04:20 PM Report

... or are you still in Reagan conservative la la land? Like many Demented Fools (sheeples of Talk Radio)

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 04:16 PM Report

...which is what he's going to do to the middle class if he is elected president. Mitt Romney is a Socialist, because he supports 'bailing out' of the rich at the expense of the middle class. He doesn't want a middle class, he only wants there to be rich and poor; he is a Socialist. The government insures no losses to the rich, and the poor is there to be used as cheap labor. That is the goal of the Republicans (behind the rhetoric). They are Socialists. Socialists Elete

Is that what you want?, General MacCallister.

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 04:05 PM Report

I know I know, you just don't like being hollered at by anybody resembling your dad wearing a mask of your idol. Too spooky for ya! Well guess what?

Boo! I'm Mitt Romney! and I support this message. Now, how would you like a spanking, from your ole Uncle Mitt?!

Ha!

MittsterMeister  10/20/2012 03:56 PM Report

Take a chill pill, MacCallister. (if that's your real name?.)

(which if it is, you are in some real need of some real help) (what's wrong?, doesn't your country club provide you with enough mental health?.) (been on the golf course lately? does everybody have to watch their mouth around you? wow, what fun you must be?. ... sheeez

NeilMacCallister  10/12/2012 01:08 AM Report

Thanks to the Charlie Rose community for removing the vulgar language postings, with those further insulting identity-theft name misrepresentations used by "OleMitt" in those same (removed) postings.

Charlie Rose is a fine avenue of freedom, yes!! ..But no one is free to steal from shared society while using the names of others, ..Thank you!

NeilMacCallister  10/07/2012 02:59 PM Report

Hah! ..Obama supporters like dis'Miss below are now trying to WATERBOARD the avenues of free speech into silence by non-stop pourings of waste-water down the throats of those avenues!

Hah!! ..Obama supporters bring Guantanamo to New York after all !!!

NeilMacCallister  10/06/2012 01:33 AM Report

You're not crazy, John, ..but your "dream-plan" is.

For 4 years now, you have been pounding the table here with the suggestion that all President Obama has to do

is "Print, baby, Print!" -- and to keep printing money and handing it out until "everyone is satisfied", until everyone has a "freedom from want".

But when money is "free", and no one has to work, ..who will open the stores so we can buy stuff? ..who will be making the stuff for us to buy? ..who will run those printing presses to keep our money supply "satisfied"???

Me? ..I'll be sitting at home on my new sofa, watching my new TV, and saying "Thank you, Mr. President!! ..I will ALWAYS vote for you!!!"

Gelles  10/05/2012 11:03 PM Report

Pleaee Neil and all of YOU -- how else to make modern high tech mass production work if not with money in consumers purses to close the loop and grow economic output UNTIL supply = need and demaand = supply???????

Am I crazy or are ALL OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!

Gelles  10/05/2012 11:00 PM Report

The demand constraint -- that requires income and spending to relieve it -- is the simple point Obama and all the rest of the planet DO NOT GET!!!!!!!!!!!

Gelles  10/05/2012 10:58 PM Report

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

-- Neil Mac Callister reminds us of a quote I never read.

I accept the quote as sensible for an agrarian society. But Franklin created the power for popular money creation ahead of our republic. It worked even then.

Today we are suffering from a surplus of output anf a dearth of money. The people have to matcdh our money to our shelves. If the shelves are full, our purses must be too. How else to sell the output and maintain a production - sale - consumption - production loop?

NeilMacCallister  10/05/2012 01:11 PM Report

John? ..I believe Benjamin Franklin's warning was: "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

It is our addicts of the modern day, like Robert Reich and Paul Krugman, who keep screaming: "Inject more stimulus!! ..Inject more stimulus!!!"

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Btw, ..did you notice how gaunt and pale President Obama looked the other night???

I feel sorry for the man. I believe he is taking a terrible beating "behind closed doors" from his handlers David Axelrod and David Plouffe.

When the First Lady went up and hugged him on the stage, I was happy for the man, and proud of her.

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I know he went to Canada to buy his campaign tour bus -- I'll bet he dreams of reaching there again someday.

I wish him the best.

Gelles  10/05/2012 08:38 AM Report

The global economy ought to be roaring with success based on high tech mass production, distribution and consumption. Poverty ought to be dead. Human rights ought to be championed in every nation.

Instead we have ignorance in the saddle, and a shortfall in demand that is required to fuel the system.

The valves to open demand are now in the central banking systems. They still rely on debt instead of matching production for sale at retail outlets.

Yet this stupidity will pass.

Romney's call for small business tax relief is OK. Subsidies for small business would also make sense. But really big business to repair and buil infrastructure, go green with all energy and fully protect our ennvironment and freedom is really the priority we need. Research and development, including travel to Mars as Elon Musk advises, is what we need to let us know how easy it would be on earth to satisfy need and cure the rediculous injuries to our political economy that taxes and tight money cause.

Money in every bank account and education and training in everybody's bag of skills, is called for.

Romney is a changeable man. Let him change from hiding his money abroad to trying to enrich all the people who want to work and produce the magical results technology has in store for any political system not too dumb to notice.

As for Obama. If he wins he better throw his fear of spending, inflation and great accomplishment in the garbage. Follow Benjamin Franklin and do in the current century the things he dreamed of that got us started.

rtb  10/05/2012 06:57 AM Report

Like others, I always make my choice for president based on a one hour debate. That's why people call me superficial and shallow.

BENEZRAA  10/05/2012 05:57 AM Report

ROMNEY'S SUPERMAN OPPORTUNITY

Faster than a speeding moderator, able to speak longer than a tall sound bite, deliberately staring down a sitting President -- it's the Great Bird of Paradise! No, it's a Private Jet! No, it's Mitt Romney! Is anyone truly surprised that Romney attacked The President? And is anyone truly surprised, that our President did not and would not take the bait, who every day must decide, who is to be the recipient(s) of 'drone sandwiches' [as I shall call drone attacks]? Romney is free to attack President Obama, confident that a presidential drone sandwich won't be Romney's 'Last Supper'.

Ricardo_Amaral  10/05/2012 05:28 AM Report

Regarding the current TV presidential reality show:

Capital Account – October 3, 2012

Gerald Celente on the Presidential Reality Show

http://youtu.be/cPibdKFnB3A

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Ricardo_Amaral  10/05/2012 05:25 AM Report

@SharkswithfrikingLazers – You wrote: “Romney says 50% of recent college graduates can NOT find employment.”

By the way, Mitt Romney has a plan to solve this unemployment problem for the kids age 18 to 30 years old – it is called the “DRAFT”.

Mitt Romney said that if he is elected president he would start a war against Iran ASAP.

Since the US Armed Forces has been decimated by over 10-years of constant wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all kinds of covert operations around the world – today the US Army is a basket case that can't keep up even with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

If you vote for Mitt Romney he will take care of your children, and grandchildren, and he will keep them busy in the Middle East and North Africa where your loved ones will have the opportunity of being blown up into little pieces, or if they can survive the experience they will become mental cases like the other over 100,000 young Americans who returned home from Iraq and Afghanistan in the last 10 years.

The good news for the American people is that they changed the rules since the Vietnam War, and this time around the woman also will be drafted and they will be sent to be slaughtered in some foreign land with the boys.

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RodCA  10/05/2012 04:43 AM Report

I watched the debate and Charlie's Post debate Thursday night show. My problem with Charlie's and other post debate shows was that they tried to score the debate on Romney's "zingers" and his "enthusiasm instead of debate style and substance. Several times one or more of the commentators mentioned that the facts were secondary to the flash. And no one mentioned how bad the moderator, Jim McNeil, was. He could not control Romney, who insisted on having the last word. The President tried to obey the debate rules, and was declared the loser. But what are we telling our young people in school? The pundits have said that it doesn't matter if you lie or change your previous position, but rather it's how you look and project yourself. Can you imagine attending your child's high school debate where they interrupted the moderator and made up facts, all the while talking over their competitor? I can. And what about the facts? The fact-checkers had a field day demolishing Mitt Romney's assertions. Is this how we want our leaders to act?

richard-lipscombe  10/05/2012 04:05 AM Report

The reason Obama failed is HE DID have a strategy going into this debate - turns out he had a bad strategy...His strategy was to "talk directly to the people"...That strategy was foreshadowed by his Campaign before the debate time and time again - guess what that strategy did not work...

Obama tried, many times, to look straight down the lens and talk directly to the people but he had an opponent in Gov Romney who looked directly at President Obama and ARGUED his case = 'trickle down government', Obama facts are not facts, Big Bird is part of the problem, ObamaCare has 15 unelected people running it, the real innovation in Government is at State level not in Washington, Obama wasted taxpayers money on clean energy schemes - $US 90 billion, Obama has ignored the needs of the middle class - that is high paying jobs, and on and on it goes...

Cheers, Richard.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/05/2012 02:58 AM Report

So perhaps Romney was speaking nonsense (compared to his previous positions), and being the intellectual that he is, Obama was going to be coy and let Romney hang himself with these etch-a-sketch moments.

However, Obama miscalculated that the pundits could figure this strategy out because Pundits can only function when there is blood in the water.

chomp-chomp-chomp

bite-bite-bite

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/05/2012 02:49 AM Report

We are told that Romney made himself acceptable tonight. That he has hit his stride and has to sustain it. That this is the real Romney.

Why don't we test for performance enhancing drugs?

Seems more important than a bicycle race.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/05/2012 02:45 AM Report

We hear Romney can't even carry his own state and is down by 25 points.

Then we hear Murphy say yes but all it takes is for the right 150,000 people to change their minds.

So why are we painting with a spray gun when we only need a fine tipped brush?

We lie to ourselves that the election is one thing when it is really something else.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/05/2012 02:41 AM Report

Charlie, the camera caught you touching Norah on the forearm at the very end.

I expect the same with Mark Halperin and Al Hunt as soon as possible.

(Hub-a-hub-a)

NeilMacCallister  10/04/2012 11:48 PM Report

The most telling part of the NY Times debate review was this proof that the President is but an empty suit being managed by strings tied to his arms and his legs:

"The president’s advisers concluded that he had lost his first debate by not pressing Mr. Romney enough. After a series of late-night and early-morning consultations, the Obama team decided to try to correct that Thursday."

I guess they have now decided to attach strings to his lips as well, ..so that David Axelrod can help the President get the words out that they have been training him to say.

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Hah!!! ..My favorite line from the debate last night was when Jim Lehrer waved back Barack Obama and laughed:

"Sir, your 15 seconds have long been gone!!!!"

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Let's HOPE, America!!!

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/04/2012 11:06 PM Report

Romney says no more Big Bird.

Charlie, you gotta watch your butt.

Way to be American and get a second job just in case. That is our 21st century job security.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/04/2012 11:02 PM Report

Romney had a flag lapel pin.

Obama had a smaller flag lapel pin.

Romney had some kind of pin on his flag pin.

I smell comedy or as they call it at Fox: news.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/04/2012 10:57 PM Report

Romney says 50% of recent college graduates can NOT find employment.

BAZINGA!

Right over the bow of Obama's college vote.

BENEZRAA  10/04/2012 10:50 PM Report

THE GREAT WHITE HOPE, BAD APPLE PIE, AND POLITICAL STRAW

Having missed the debate, but, having heard the media declare Romney to be "The Winner" of Round 1, it may be appropriate to comment on that media review. In the case of the Charlie Rose Show, which post-debate broadcast I did see, I am struck that not one black media journalist appeared on the Show, nor will there be even one such tonight (if the Show broadcasts as presented in the Schedule). Some commentators have stated, the President pulled his punches; one cannot help but be reminded of the famous film "The Great White Hope" starring James Earl Jones. It is too soon to predict an election win or a loss (except perhaps in Vegas), or which is the greater force present in the American electorate: hungry stomachs or racism. President Obama politely speaks to things being the way they are due to a few "bad apples" (so, for a while, we may have to content ourselves with a diet of "bad apple pie", as I shall call it). Much hay is being made of political straw polls, straw being highly flammable, when 'whet' in sufficiently dense quantity, or when dry in any quantity. Gaffs, Harvard degrees, and elitism aside, both candidates are corporate minded and considered in their thought processes, and neither is likely to scuttle the Ship of State. The contortions both candidates must go through in order to navigate the political processes -- playing to the fears, biases, dogmas, bigotries, and prejudices of the electorate, all the while shamelessly begging for campaign funds -- is enough to disgust all, but, those who thrive on the sport of politics. From where most Americans likely sit, the worst part of the political sausage making is the inevitability of being wound-up and ground-up in the sausage.

Gelles  10/04/2012 10:06 PM Report

The comments here are useless if they do not state the problems we face and recommended solutions to them. You all seem to be talking to yourself and not to each other or the nation at large.

The problems include unmet need, inadequate supply and inadequate monetized demand.

Both candidates are ignorant of how we must use credit, debt and money to facilitate production and sale at a profit of supply to meet demand which meets real need.

You are not alone. Europeans and almost all other people are ignorant in these matters.

Moreover, human rights are elementary -- and they are ignored more than they have to be.

Most of us are sick of war between national armed forces. The heros who die are not the evil people who ough to be killed.

Special forces police actions to kill the very worst of the worst are called for. Warn the worst forst. Then kill them if they do not stop killing innocent people whom they rule or whom they abuse.

Ricardo_Amaral  10/04/2012 09:40 PM Report

Gelles, I just posted this info on the Elite Trader economics forum, Brazzil magazine, Facebook, and so on...

The Crumbling of America

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=253fd81f2b98482dbac4809d261ed90a&threadid=222491&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=25

October 4, 2012

SouthAmerica: For many years now, I have been writing on a regular basis on my articles on Brazzil magazine and other publications, and also on my postings on the Elite Trader Economics forum, on Brazzil magazine comment section, on Facebook, and so on...about how Wall Street has been looting, pillaging, destroying the foundations of the US economic and financial system, and milking the entire system to the bone until just the carcass of the US economic and financial system is left to rot and decompose.

And at the same time completely pulverizing and destroying what is left of the US dollar and its illusory idea that it is backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States." By that time Wall Street would also have milked to the bone all the US government resources.

The Wall Street “too big to fail” financial institutions are setting up the entire US economic and financial system for a total collapse and quick demise just like the Soviet Union.

On this video Dr. Michael Hudson describes how corrupt, and rotten the US financial system has become in the United States from the Wall Street “too big to fail” gangsters, to the Treasury, to a moronic Federal Reserve, and so on...– it is like a cancer that is quickly killing the patient.

There's a very good reason to vote for Mitt Romney in the current presidential race – if he wins he will speedy up the final collapse of the US economic and financial system into a black hole – and take the US economic and financial system out of its misery with a quick death in a massive meltdown just like the Soviet Union.

These gangsters of Wall Street are looting everything in sight, and they are going to leave nothing behind in the United States, just a collapsed economic and financial system for the next generation of Americans.

Keiser Report: Cadavers Collateralized Debt – October 4, 2012

http://youtu.be/OqN5GGYXNF0

In this episode, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert bring a bankster rat onto set to discuss the civil suit against JP Morgan's mortgage fraud. We revisit episode 97 of the Keiser Report on which journalist Teri Buhl had first warned you about the residential mortgage back security fraud issue on JP Morgan's balance sheet - thanks to their purchase of Bear Stearns.

In the second half of the show, Max Keiser talks to Dr. Michael Hudson, author of The Bubble and Beyond: Fictitious Capital, Debt Deflation and Global Crisis, about Timothy Geithner's role in facilitating the takeover of the banking system by the Wall Street mafia and about the oligarchic counter revolution against democracy in Europe.

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anne4444  10/04/2012 09:28 PM Report

New understanding of eight senses or eight consciousnesses:

5 senses: sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell by eye, ear, tongue, skin and nose.

6 sense (12 Dimension): the invisible soul inside our body.

7 sense (12 Dimension and 46 Dimension): invisible and immortal “data cable” transferring information between 6 sense and 8 sense during sleeping.

8 sense (46 Dimension and 48 Dimension): soul kept inside mother earth. Invisible and immortal.

3 Dimension: Nothingness, only higher dimensional information and energy.

12 Dimension: Deception

46 Dimension (little grey): Emotion, sexuality and etc.

48 Dimension (Human form): Emotion, Compassion, information, Creativity, wisdom and intuition.

12 Dimensional Soul enters into body at 4th month of pregnancy. 46 Dimensional Soul enters into human body at age of between 2 to 6 years old. 46 Dimensional souls have no childhood. The 48 dimensional sense (connected, but located at outside our bodies) is much subtler than other senses because 12 dimensional senses and 46 dimensional senses of information are all in our bodies.

Chakras are information and energy exchange centers with other Galaxies in different time lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/04/2012 08:02 PM Report

Well it appears both are above the law--Jim Lehrer's moderator law.

Jim should have given them both a grade: F for not following the rules.

The Executive is not above the law. Both these guys didn't appear to think the law really applies to them.

Who lost? The American People. A waste.

winter  10/04/2012 08:01 PM Report

Face it Americans want John Wayne or Ronald Reagan and will accept, ignore or rationalize being lied to to get it. Another republican dolt.

EPatrickMosman  10/04/2012 04:59 PM Report

Mr. Rose,

At last the real Barack H Obama, the man you knew nothing about in October 2008 after he campaigned for two years, the man with no past,showed up last night

Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

In October 2008 Tom Brokaw sat down with you and both of you wise old pundits admitted that after Obama had been campaigning for two years you still know nothing about him as illustrated by the following exchange about candidate Obama.

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.

BROKAW: No, I don't, either.

ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.

BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his

thinking about foreign policy.

ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people

who are advising him?

BROKAW: Yeah, it's an interesting question.

ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through

very aspirational (sic) speeches.

BROKAW: Two of them! I don't know what books he's read.

ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?

BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.

Mr. Obama's past was and still is written in invisible ink, no high school records, no college records, no SAT scores, no university records, no GPAs from any school, no written dissertations,no questioning of his drug his use,smoking pot and cocaine,of his Pakistan trip, what passport was used , who was visited, who paid, the proverbial "pig in a poke". Mr. Obama's written record are two 'memoirs' one rather poorly written and the second more scholarly that some question the authorship.

Had the media spent as much time investigating Barack H Obama's background as a mini-me Al Sharpton community organizer, his relationships with Reverend Wright, Rezko, his communist grandparents,"Frank" the communist role model, and Ayers,the unrepentant terrorist,as they did on Governor Palin, they would have been found him to be only a glib, smooth talking operator on a par with Ponzi scheme promoters, boiler room stock salesman and the run-of-the mill grifters who pry on the both the greedy and the innocent.

Rolling over for a favored political person is par for the course for the political media. America bought the 'pig in a poke' and found not a rock but a marxist/socialist wanna-be diktator. The American voters were deliberately kept in the dark then and even now.

His goals are clear and as Norman Thomas, the long time Socialist party Presidential candidate predicted:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

In 1939, ten years after the crash on Wall Street, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., wrote in his diary and told the House Ways and Means Committee:

“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong…somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises…I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started…And an enormous debt to boot!”

Does history repeat itself? Yes, it does. And there is every appearance that after the White House tried it for the last four years,a failure, Obama proposes if reelected to repeat the errors of the Great Depression that came to be known as Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal.

Miguel_Ruz  10/04/2012 03:49 PM Report

The problem in the debate was that Obama was unable to confront with energy Rommey's dishonesty, lies and rethorical/ideological statements.

tabs  10/04/2012 03:31 PM Report

NCP3

The following was written and sent to Mr Rose in FEBRUARY of 2009 which was shortly after President Obama took office in January. The pertinent line is as follows:

"With Lincoln we expected little and got a lot, with Obama we expect a lot but will we get little?" TABS

It does seem the following was prescient after all.

A Tragic American Hero?

Thu, 02/05/2009 - 16:08 — tabs

I don't demonize Obama as being the worst person nor most foolish in the world. He is human and has his likes and dislikes attributes and flaws like all of us. He tends to look at things from a different perspective that millions seem to share with him. A glass half full or half empty is a simple analogy if you will. After writing to you I thought there is some greatness in him and that is to be able to pull from his depths an ability to write and deliver eloquent speeches that express the feeling of the times. He as I said is not orchestrating the wave of change but he is certainly riding the crest of the wave.

Obama may certainly become a tragic character. When Lincoln stepped into office there was little to no expectations for him to succeed. Nobody had any real confidence in Lincolns ability. Contrast that to Obama and everybody expects him to be a great leader of men. To be able to bend them to his will to accomplish great things. To right the wrongs of 40 years of American excess. To be an American hero, iconic in nature.

Starting this January 20Th Obama is now in command of the levers of power. Will he be able to master the intricate subtleties of command and get people to do his bidding. Will he be able to coerce the unwilling to go along with his plan, to bend them to his will. Will he be able to effectively do the business of governing? Does he have the skill, fortitude and will to do that. With Lincoln we expected little and got a lot, with Obama we expect a lot and will we get little? That is the question that is about to be answered. The tragedy of Obama may very well be that he can not deliver the goods that everyone expects of him because they confuse his role in this era of change. His followers think he is orchestrating this era of change instead of merely riding the crest of the wave. If this is so the tragedy will not only be Obamas but Americas as well

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tabs  10/04/2012 03:05 PM Report

NCP2

President Obama fully knew and understood by the end of the debate that he had been "rubbed out" in about the time it takes a hungry man to eat a meal. At which time he made several almost said to himself non sequitur comments which were, "That as President I have to say no." Followed by, "I even have to say no to my own Party." This was soon after invoking the name of Lincoln as setting the goal of the Transcontinental Railroad and founding the National Academy of Science.

To which the following was written and posted on the date indicated.

Why Obama Will Never Be A Lincoln

08/21/2009 - 02:20 — tabs

This observation goes beyond trite partisan politics, but instead goes to the heart and soul of a man. It takes a look at the inside of a mans character and the "true grit" that he brings to the table.

To begin with one must take a look at the mans personal history. As everyone knows BO was a kid who was moved from family situation to family situation. The hallmark of this as previously stated was that he was always the outsider looking in, even within his own personality. This has given him the objectivity of the outsider, or one who has the ability to be a detached observer of events and feelings.

It was only when BO met his Michelle that he was accepted for who he was and given the comfort and stability of a home. That he found love. It has been reported that while on the campaign trail he would always travel with someone from back home to give him the familiarity of that grounding stability.

BO has always been known as a cautious individual, always evaluating the risk involved in any political move. Further he has always relied on discourse as his method of achieving his goals. These two behavioral traits leads us to the third piece and that is BO legislative history,................... he has always voted Yes or Present with his own Party and never ever voted NO against his party...........

This leads one to conclude that within him himself he can not risk being ostracized by his own political family. He will always go along, he will never be his own man but be subservient to the dictates of his own party. He will not face the fear and disappointment within himself of losing the only home he has ever known. He is not willing to go it alone in the world if necessary and suffer the slings and arrows of being your own man with his own principles and thoughts. This becomes obvious in letting his own party dictate the terms of the Stimulus, Budget, Cap and Trade and Health Care bills. This is why BO will never be a Lincoln.

Lincoln by contrast was willing to face adversity and was willing to go it alone if necessary, to be his own man. . The most telling fact of this in Lincolns life is the fact that he rose above his own fathers ostracization of him for wanting to rise above his station in life, that of being a poor illiterate dirt farmer from Illinois's. This was Lincolns transcendent moment. He became his own man guided by his own principles and own thoughts.

Because one wears the cloak of Caesar and or affects the mannerism of Caesar it does not mean he is a Lincoln, TR, FDR, Truman, Reagan or Caesar.

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Mr Obama might be under the illusion that Lincoln dropped out of the sky being a fully formed political leader of stature. In reality one does not think that President Obama would want to or be willing to pay the price Lincoln paid to become the man that he became. Lincolns life was full of death, defeat, despair,and disappointment. It was from those lessons that Lincoln learned the hard way over DECADES the conclusions about himself and what moves men at the deepest levels. Mr Obama should accept himself for who he truly is instead of trying to puff himself up into being something that he isn't. Like the Bullfrog in a pond, who croaks a sirens song of empty rhetoric and substance.

Further President Obama should realize that his "collectivist principles" and "living better through bigger and better government" are not FORWARD LOOKING but represent the outmoded and thus reactionary ideas of the 1930's. America has tried the government can do it better routine in earnest since 1965 and all it has done is put America on the precipice of Bankruptcy and economic collapse. President Obama if he had been all that would have recognized, that the 2008 economic crisis was more than a garden variety we will get over it with a 800B Stimulus Bill. Instead if he had been savvy he would have recognized 2008 was watershed moment in American history and it should have been treated as such.

tabs  10/04/2012 01:41 PM Report

Obama was KOed in 15 minutes of the First Round of the Debate. Mitt the underdog Challenger came right out of the corner putting relentless pressure on the Champion. From which the Champ folded like a house of cards, never recovering his balance. Many of the Champs supporters have claimed that he was tired, unprepared,didn't want to be there, or underestimated the Challenger, however those are the shallow or visceral points of view.

Now you folks have seen exactly what one has been talking about for nearly 4 years and that is Obama DOES NOT DEAL WELL IN REAL TIME. Obama likes to stay cool, calm and collected in his intellectual reverie where he pushes emotion away as being messy to deal with. However decision making involves risk and risk involves the emotion of fear, which Obama avoids and thus becomes indecisive and or frozen. That has been his MO for the past 4 years, remember the BP oil spill, the Iranian election revolt, the Arab Spring in Egypt and Libya all points where Obama dithered and they call that "leading from behind."

But there is more....You can never undo the impression that this first debate has made on the American people. It is indelibly imprinted on the psych of the American and peoples of the World.

REMant  10/04/2012 12:08 PM Report

No one ever answers the questions in these things, or dares speak the truth even if they know it. I don't know if they really want to be involved anymore than I want to listen. The president seems to think one can somehow create jobs by celebrating anniversaries. Mostly they trade accusations and look for openings like a pair of boxers.

Not that the press is markedly better. The Huffington Post decided to fact-check Romney supporters Dominos and Papa Johns. I'm somewhat sympathetic since I don't think anyone can fact-check either of the candidate's tax plans. Karen Tumulty suggested watching an old movie on cable.

Poor Lehrer tried to keep them on track, and almost succeeded. But if you live in a swing state like Va you've already heard this stuff ad nauseam.

Personally, I think policy-wise the election comes down to the question of whether printing money to hand to the middle class as the incumbent wants is better than letting them actually do something to earn and save for themselves. It IS precisely the question all those 47% ads harp on.

But if the challenger plans to "grow the economy," by printing money, too, what real difference will it make which one of them is elected?

The admin correctly believes the way to improve things is by dealing with physical demand and supply, such as reducing health expenditures by changing medical practice, and making other regulations and investments with the aim of increasing productivity. But it cannot happen as long as the Fed makes money by fiat.

The president's point that insurance is either insurance or it is not, is also valid. Unfortunately, Obamacare likewise falls short of being sound, because the Fed, in the end, undermines it by providing its own insurance. Competition won't matter.

There's no way either to avoid the moral hazard involved in welfare or unequal taxation. And since we can't afford complete welfare anyway, we wish to limit it to certain objectives, like health care. However, I'm not sure what good that will do. Standard of living affects health more than anything else. So what this idea seems to come down to is either wishful thinking or an attempt at machine politics.

Similarly, the president believes the economic collapse was the fault of individual fraudsters. Not the Fed, not trade or budget deficits, not tax loopholes, not Fannie and Freddie. Just some bad apples. Romney managed to sidestep the issue, tho he quickly pointed out that the president's alternative energy investments were not only exceedingly large, but also involved cronyism.

Romney was obviously well prepared and highly motivated, while the president didn't seem willing to discuss the big picture, leading one to wonder whether he actually understands it. I was nevertheless surprised to hear the pundits agree.

Yet, I think, all incumbents develop an ego. We saw that with both Gore and GWB. The irony is that the president has done as much for Wall St as anyone could. And when they get into foreign affairs I think he ought to have just as much trouble.

But I have to credit the president with keeping out of the tar pail. It may be that Romney's fast start simply upset his race strategy, and the former governor didn't fade as expected. Maybe he believed Brooks' gravitas baloney. Or has become so accustomed to his narrative he thinks everyone else really believes it.

I expect there will be some recrimination on the president's side, and perhaps a reconsideration of the use of pink gels in the White House floodlights as a strategy. Maybe they'll have a look at Romney's medical records. I'm not sure but this may signal a move to contest more broadly.