iPhone 5

with John Gruber and David Pogue
in Business, Art & Design, Technology, Current Affairs, Lifestyle
on Thursday, September 20, 2012 * * * * *

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A look at Apple's iPhone 5 with David Pogue of the New York Times & John Gruber of daringfireball.net

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    1. MikeD  10/06/2012 10:57 PM Report

      Enjoyed the interview.

      Have to get an i-phone.

      Mike

    2. blank  09/25/2012 08:51 PM Report

      i'm in really extremely bad health at the moment

    3. kamikazeechawly  09/25/2012 07:42 PM Report

      Charlie Rose is the best, one day you get Milton Friedman, the father of our economy. And the next day you get, Dog the bounty hunter (the father of white trash).

      Multi-faceted Rennaissance man like me loves it all. Especially Dog's lovely wife, Hildga, the bleached blond guerrilla Monsoon.

    4. JimBullis  09/23/2012 01:56 PM Report

      I believe it was John Gruber who pointed out that the leading desire of the new folks is to change the world, and David Pogue points out the risk that there will be a loss of engagement with others.

      There is no doubt that cell phones are handy, and even computerized cell phones. But most laptops I observe in operation are engaged in watching movies or playing games. Some write memos. My wife helps navigate our car on her Android as I drive. I answer calls on my cell phone maybe.

      Somehow I do not think the cell phone will help change the world in ways that might, let's say, re-invigorate the economy. No, the Iphone market will not much add to productivity of our agro-industrial system, by which our trade balance mostly depends.

      We developed the Miastrada Dragon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5eIVVvdgA (see on youtube - yes there is real substance to being able to reach such a world market) - - without use of Iphones or Androids. We made much use of CAD on a substantial personal computer.

      Electronic technology seems to evolve as a mix of mostly toys with a streak of utility that emerges here and there.

      But the test is whether those focused on their Iphones can look beyond and think about something like a National Water Project that could be a substantive way to invigorate the economy. The project would be to build infrasture and operate it to enable universal irrigation.

      Here is the kind of change the country needs. Sign a petition at www.wh.gov/DzBD

    5. vongleichent  09/22/2012 02:00 PM Report

      I think it"s more about an issue of affordibility. Unless you get a contract you won"t be able to afford to own an iPhone. So many of us really want one.

    6. D_CPH  09/22/2012 07:47 AM Report

      The smartphone is the nexus: the most personal personal computer.

    7. EducatorNP  09/21/2012 06:57 PM Report

      Mr. Rose, thank you for such informative, non-biased programming. I was particularly impressed with the 9/20 program with John Gruber and David Pogue. I have done much to avoid buying the Mac or Apple phone but I am very disappointed with the Samsung. I have a Samsung Epic 4G. When I need it the most, videos recorded have no sound and when I call my carrier I am often told that this a problem with Samsung phones. I am going with Apple because I have been assured that this will not happen. If anyone out there can tell me how I can at least have corrected the soundless videos, I would be most appreciative.

    8. SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/21/2012 06:51 PM Report

      Charlie, instead of the Cinco let's instead line-up for a new custom.

      less than a minute:

      http://youtu.be/bvkN3ODGn-I

      Please use this with trick-or-treaters, family at Thanksgiving and when you see the TSA at the airport.

    9. Anglomerican  09/21/2012 06:32 PM Report

      @ Fake_Tim_Cook

      I've actually done a bit of research since posting and I'd argue the statement that Apple is a leading innovator this time around is incorrect. Let's look at one marker of innovation, that is the amount spent on R&D. Apple's R&D budget is actually lower than all of its major competitors (Samsung, Google, Nokia, Microsoft) by a significant margin.

      There doesn't appear to be much that's particularly innovative in this release, more iterative, and in the case of the maps app (completely ignored here) Apple has actually swapped out a superior experience for an inferior one so it can assert greater control over the competition. Info on the speed of the new A6 processor has been as easy to come by as a Romney tax return and I suspect that's likely because it's significantly slower than the Samsung chip. Additionally it doesn't have NFC which is fast becoming standard in other phones for use as a mobile wallet.

      Credit to them for catching up in many ways, but they're hardly a leader this time around.

      @Sharks that ad is brilliant.

      As an aside, I agree the smart phone has replaced the waspy father's newspaper at the table.

    10. SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/21/2012 05:13 PM Report

      Charlie, Samsung ran ad after ad last night during "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report".

      Really great, great work on their part:

      http://www.youtube.com/user/samsungmobileusa?v=nf5-Prx19ZM

    11. SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/21/2012 05:08 PM Report

      Yes, put your smart phones in the middle of the restaurant table and pretend you can function with other humans when there is money on the line (who buys the meal).

      White Anglo Saxon Protestants do better with animals than they do with other humans. The Cinco is their savior.

    12. SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/21/2012 05:05 PM Report

      Charlie, guess what was in my inbox today?

      An email from Apple to buy the Cinco.

      For $199 I get Black and Slate or White and Silver.

      Will 16 GB be enough or should I add $200 for 64GB?

      Who should provide my service at around $80 to $230 a month AT&T, Verizon or Sprint?

      Sorry, not going to buy.

      Ol' one eye is the super computer in my pants thank-you-very-much.

      I work fine from my lap or my desk with those two MONSTROUS machines.

    13. Fake_Tim_Cook  09/21/2012 04:40 PM Report

      @ Anglomerican

      The Charlie Rose show has a bias toward talking about important things. Is the iPhone more important than the hundreds of other mobile phones that are released every year? Yes. Every phone that is released is compared with the iPhone. Why? Because it is clearly the leading innovator in mobile computing. Everyone else is playing catch up, some by blatant copying.

      You have drawn an accurate conclusion about the iPhone's superiority. If you want to understand the future of mobile computing, you should be discussing Apple and its products because they are the ones defining it.

    14. ebg  09/21/2012 01:56 PM Report

      Pogue mentions 400 million dock connector based products. Actually, there are 400 Million iOS based products. The classic iPod probably add at least another 200 Million if not more (I remember when the iPod passed the 250 million threshold - that may have included original FireWire based iPods, and later iPod Touch based products, but at least 600 million dock connector products).

      Even with all that, at some point you need to change stuff. I hope it does not change for a bunch more years.

    15. Anglomerican  09/21/2012 01:10 PM Report

      By virtue of having an episode dedicated to the iPhone 5, the show is already demonstrating its bias. To consider this worthy of its own show because of its "cultural significance" is to fall victim to the marketing behind the product. The show is effectively treating the iPhone5 as though its superiority is a foregone conclusion, with references to other operating systems but no attention paid to the competing phones. As an average consumer, rather than a techie, I find myself leaning towards the iPhone simply because I know nothing about the alternatives!

    16. Cprblak  09/21/2012 12:40 PM Report

      When they mentioned the new connector, why didn't someone bring up how many accessories that use the old connector will now probably be thrown away when someone gets the iPhone/iPod 5 instead of paying $30 per accessory?

      No, let's talk about how a thumb is like a windshield wiper.

    17. griffd  09/21/2012 12:14 PM Report

      Loved the interview - but David's statement about the price of the adapter doesn't take into consideration that its not an ordinary adapter, it actually contains complex electronics inside to convert digital to analog audio, for example. Sure maybe it could a little less, but some of that price tag is justifiable.

    18. REMant  09/21/2012 12:09 PM Report

      The reason why the "fanboys" (and girls. I suppose) get so het up IMHO is that Apple is perceived by many (such as Mr Rose) to be the equivalent of Barrack Obama: victimized, overcoming, and progressive. It would be nice if this translated into an equal interest in development and production, but I doubt it will.