Charlie Rose

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 02:33 AM Report

Bob tells us we are going to the brink of default and anything of monetary value is in jeopardy. Everyone is whistling past it.

WOW BOB!

I hear KFC has a new "Chicken Little Sandwich" and may need a spokesperson.

(On second thought, Bob might be correct.)

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 02:27 AM Report

So the President has no plan B.

Boehner doesn't return phone calls and smokes while the President is trying to quit smoking and is chewing Nicorette.

FLUSH!

(That is the sound we hear on the way to getting good government.)

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 02:19 AM Report

The Nicorette and Merlot meeting—smoking a cigarette and drinking Merlot by Boehner while Obama is drinking ice tea and chewing nicorette.

Perfect!

Now we have the animated cartoon for any number of shows on the Comedy Channel.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 02:14 AM Report

Bob tells us Obama plays poker and golf with his buddies but not Cantor nor Boehner.

Really Bob?

And Clinton didn't play golf or poker with Ken Starr either (yes it is the same level of persecution).

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 02:11 AM Report

Bob tells us that Jack Lew ran through the White House saying the President can’t get the Speaker to return his telephone call.

Gee to bad no one has any staff. You know someone who could call or text or email or tweet or . . . the other guy's staff member to see what is going on so things don't fall apart.

This reminds of the scene in "Too Big To Fail" when all the CEOs are locked up for the weekend and it turns out no one at Treasury bothered to contact the UK to see what was needed to approve the deal. So the efforts of the CEOs were for naught because the British government said no.

Good government folks--not big, not small.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 01:52 AM Report

Yes Bob, the system was built for the President to lead.

We live in the Obama era, not the Cantor nor Boehner era.

I think November 2010 was such a slap in the face that the leading fell off in 2011. Plus those who should follow had their own mutiny.

The beer summit held at the White House needs to expand to a BBQ summit with 435 hamburgers and 100 hot dogs.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  09/15/2012 01:45 AM Report

'Mitch McConnell is such a hard ass.'

Bob, everyone knows Mitch is the turtle.

It is not hard ass but hard shell.

margaretw  09/14/2012 08:32 PM Report

I don't know why Rose keeps having this pseudo journalist on. His books are like reading People Magazine, good PR for the sources but not true journalism. We all like gossip and innuendo but it is not to be taken seriously. Woodward's books have nothing insightful to say unless you are a genius at reading between the lines.

winter  09/14/2012 06:15 PM Report

I don't doubt it Samba. Oh sure we have our first black, if only mulatto, President but America isn't the picture of tolerance and understanding yet by any stretch. After all this time and practise the apparantly well intentioned have found the words for explaining away their tacit intolerance towards giving the reigns to a black man. Those old dogs still huddle together in their righteousnesses like a knitting circle of 60 year old country grandmas. Somewhere in the folds of their brains resides the remnants of slaveholders mentality. Thing is President Obama isn't Snoop Doggy Dog, this guy is a dignified family man and brilliant to boot by any measure worth entertaining. MacCallister, judging from your response, any interpretation of which, cuts both ways, so you really aren't up to even engaging with.

Samba  09/14/2012 05:26 PM Report

One point that was not discussed is the real reason why John Boehner and others failed to return the President's phone call. Was it because he was black? Reminds me of the shameful incident during Obama's first State of the Union address when a Congressman called out, "You lie!" I would like to know if anyone ever before refused to return a President's phone call. I know it is not the done thing to to raise the issue of racism in American politics, but I am a Brit. And the Republican party stinks to high heaven of racism.

NeilMacCallister  09/13/2012 11:57 PM Report

This one's for you, winter...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDwOFThiNnA&feature=related

As the lady shouts, .."I like it !!!"

NeilMacCallister  09/13/2012 11:51 PM Report

What kmsuccer?????? .."If we all follow in his footsteps we may have a chance" ????? !!! ???????? !!! ?????

...You are one SICK twelve year old !!!!!

kmccusker  09/13/2012 07:54 AM Report

Why should Woodward be scathing about Obama spending time catching up at the end of the day instead of back slapping and playing poker with Congressional members? Isn't that what O meant about changing Washington, stop all this old boys' network, shallow thinking, and start being a bit deeper, so that, for example, The Affordable Crae Act could have been edited to be a legible piece of legislation. Excessive words mean that you really don't have ahandle on the subject (sic)...The hope in Obama is based on his ability to think, not party and rub shoulders with Capitol Hill cronies; if he can get American society to follow in his footsteps we may have a chance.

NeilMacCallister  09/13/2012 12:44 AM Report

You have it totally backwards, winter. Taking money from people's pockets does not actually "create revenue".

Letting people keep their earnings to use in building and selling yet more work products -- to the nation and to the world -- that is the way we "create revenue".

winter  09/12/2012 11:21 PM Report

Woodward doesn't know what he's talking about. That President Obama didn't make any deals with this crop of zealots doesn't define him as weak; just the opposite. Fortunately the middle class has a President who refuses to give everything this gang of demimondes who would chip away at Medicare and feed Social Security to Wall St predators, wants.

It really boggles that they're balancing literally everything on the backs of people who are already struggling while refusing to budge on revenues to the point of shamelessly holding unemployment compensation extensions hostage for extending the Bush tax cuts. The charts brought out on the Ed Show and others reveals how labor has been kept out of any hope of sharing in American prosperity for decades even in years where productivity increased -- and if you care to entertain the extent to which thats true you'd have to experience vertigo at the truth of it.

As to the idea that our representitives have been "Captured", I've often heard the response "they all do it", the difference is republicans do it as their main course, democrats do it because theres no other game in town; think Kucinich or Nader ever had a snowballs chance of getting their policies into play?

Even more bizarre is that Supply Side, Trickle Down Voodoo Economics ever was considered not a scam, but stock the shelves, even if nobody is coming thru the doors, if we light enough candles at the altar of tax breaks the "Job Creationists" they might miracle down jobs on the faithful -- the faithful suckers --thank Jerry Falwell for diverting Christian Charities' herds. Fact is capitalisms, its agreed, falters every few decades so Kenysianism is how the middle class demand primes the pump.

People that don't believe that probably never owned a car that you had to pump the accelerator of to get it started.

Honestly Bob, I don't know why President Obama ever let you in the front door.

The GOP has finally accumulated a critical mass of management types and misguided fringe sitters to where their inane seedings of gambling and pollution mogul campaign contributors can actually have their way with middle class taxpayers and consumers -- like their own personal ant farm.

After all the "INSULTS" that have been leveled at President Obama ( ...LIAR during the SOTU??? ), I wouldn't be surprised if at the debates he refused to shake Romneys hand. Your convictions have to run deep to hold that senitiment.

And, in conclusion, its inescapable that if you really wanted to get the debt under control you wouldn't be denying revenues as even part of your means towards doing so.

Torrencethebull  09/12/2012 11:11 PM Report

What came out to me in this interview is the old issue of race. I hate to say it but it shows that people can't respect the position of the office because they don't respect the Blackman holding this position. I know it seems easy to say but it is the truth. Our country can not get beyond this issue. Maybe in time we will. Right now it is just silly and these are serious times.

richard-lipscombe  09/12/2012 07:37 PM Report

Thanks for this interview Charlie Rose...finally some perspective on why America is in such sharp decline...

I repeat myself now unfortunately.... "Its the debt stupid"

America elected Obama to be "THE GREAT REFORMER" to reform Washington, to make it work, to unlock the Congress and Senate...that is why he hired Emanuel as his Chief of Staff...

PROBLEM.... America got Obama "THE GREAT PERFORMER"... he likes to Campaign, to make speeches, to hang out with his friends and always to look good... Meanwhile, Pelosi and Reid ran Washington and the rest is history...

Re-elect Obama and America will take generations to recover her mojo....

cheers, richard.

tabs  09/12/2012 06:27 PM Report

Now Come Part Five:

Now it is time to stand up, sit down, shake a leg or go your own way because TABS is here.

Mr Isaacs who was the former head of the FDIC said this morning on CNBC that, "If Obama is reelected America would be in for a LONG DARK PERIOD." Even the now famous FAUX Pollster MR Luntz told Charlie the other day that, "Americans have gone from being anxious to Depressed to despair and are now concerned about their survival."

Nothing materially has changed over what one has posted over the past several years. It has only become more obvious as events have transpired. So one isn't going to comment much on the causality and or of the situation itself anymore.

But folks this is what is new....The "financial cliff" can be remedied, probably by a last second vote. But what is going to kill ya, is when the implementation of a QE3, QE4 or OE5 causes the markets to go into a free fall. That can not be fixed. That spells a complete loss of confidence in the value of the USD, and as things stand now that means the end of the Global economy. If you want to know the extent of that damage, open the hood of your automobile and count the number of countries where the parts for your auto were made. Then think what if those parts are not available anymore? So Mr Isaacs is right when he says it would be a "long dark period." An age of darkness.

tabs  09/12/2012 05:42 PM Report

Now Come Part Four:

The following was posted to the Charlie Rose Board on or about the date indicated which was election time 2008. Here one can clearly see that one understood that the 2008 crisis was a game changing, water shed moment. The end of an era of American history. The END of the Great Post WW2 Prosperity Boom.

Today I do not feel happiness, I feel sorrow.

tabs 11/05/2008

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Today on CNBC while talking about the Chinese economy, they mentioned that there are 100,000,000 Chinese who will work for on average $170.00 a month. That Union health, welfare benefits and wages have penalized American automakers competitiveness, and have stopped other companies from reinvesting monies into modernizing their industrial plant (this is not to say that the Big Three have been managed that well either). What makes American labour worth more money? Are we better educated, are we smarter, are we inherently better workers? The answer is that Americans are none of the above.

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In contemplating the United States, America has 45 Trillion or is it 65 Trillion USD in UNFUNDED obligations or Debt. This does not make America a rich nation, America is a shell of its former self. America has been living beyond its means for 40 years. Starting with LBJ and his "Guns and Butter" Great Society and Vietnam war. On to Reagan and his "New Morning in America" feel good politics. It was all about selling the soap (20 Mule Team Borax) of a prosperous America. Only Jimmy Carter told the truth about America, "Ya all better be putin on a sweater now." Only thing was back then nobody else saw it or wanted to see it, as it was all to easy to put ones head in the sand. So ya all saw what happened to poor Jimmy, he got beat by a soap salesman.

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Now with this new financial brouhaha the end of the string is closer then the beginning. This is the first real crack in the system, of America greazin on the American Express. Poor Obama comes along at a time when one has to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. To pick up and carry on. What a paradox to have to keep tellin people things are all gona be Hunky Dory again while the credit card tab that America has is running hot and is about maxed out. For Liberal economists to be telling us that union representation is better for America financially, when 100 M Chinese will work for on average $170 a month is the height of delusional thinking. One supposes that they can keep on claiming anything they like as the house falls down around them. But Darwinism tells one, that that species is not likely to survive the first real winter that comes along.

tabs  09/12/2012 05:18 PM Report

Now Come part Three:

Mr Woodward has finally come to the recognition that the crisis of 2008 ain't over because it was a game changing event, that it is on going and that the situation is getting critical if not desperate.

The following was Posted to this Board on the date indicated. What it shows is that one understood that the US government was a FAILED government AT THE TIME THAT THESE EVENTS TRANSPIRED and not later as it has become truly obvious. This failure to understand that the 2008 was something more than just a garden variety financial crisis is exactly why Mr Woodward isn't a great thinker.

The Dysfunctional US Government Caused The Financial Meltdown

TABS 10/09/2008

Mr Paulson's comments today helped put a floor under the panic. It gives the markets reassurance that there is a firm hand guiding the ship. This is the first reassurance since the House failed to pass the "Bailout Bill" on September 29TH. The effect of the the House not passing the B Bill was that the financial markets realized that the two parties would continue to argue with each other even if the house were on fire and burning down. That in effect telegraphed that the US government was dysfunctional and thus a failed government.That loss of confidence is what has put the world markets into a free fall. Mr Paulson is the first reassuring voice by an adult since the failure of the House. If the House had passed the B Bill the first time around the world financial markets would have felt the US government was on the job and confidence would have been maintained.

tabs  09/12/2012 04:53 PM Report

Now Comes Part Two:

When President Truman assumed the Presidency, he stated that, "The buck stops here." This meant two things, one that he had the responsibility to make the hard and final decisions for better or worse and secondly that as a result of those decisions he was responsible for the state of the nation.

With President Obama there is a distinct unwillingness to shoulder either responsibility with his continued disclaimer that it is all GW Bushes fault and that he inherited a bad situation. So the question becomes exactly what good is a Barrack Obama if he continues to shirk his responsibility for the tough decisions and the state of the nation which comes from his inability to shoulder that responsibility?

Secondly President Obama talks the talk about being able to recognize the need to support business. But like the Leopard he is unable to change his spots, as he is emotionally bound to his ideological principles. He is much like a waif like child that identifies and empathizes with people who he sees as sharing the same kind of circumstances that he suffered through as a child. This emotional attachment is the reason why he can not Thread The Eye Of The Needle and realize that the solution to rectify the problem is that one must support the very thing that one sees as being a negative. The realization that President Obama doesn't get is that without that support to the business sector the people that President Obama empathizes with wind up with nothing in the end.

edwardrios  09/12/2012 02:46 PM Report

Woodward lost his credibility when he claimed McConnell was negotiating in good faith despite McConnell's own statement to the contrary. Really, Bob?

johnb-cape  09/12/2012 02:28 PM Report

i had to look at the charlie rose website after hearing him talk to woodward for a reality check. i felt the same frustration as in interviews with mitt. "it's all obama's fault." charlie tried to bring woodward back to facts several times, with no success. we all know the pathology of always blaming the other guy and taking no responsibility for one's own contribution for maintaining a problem. good for charlie for having the courage to bring a guy so locked into his thinking and blind to other points of view, but please don't make a habit of it. it's too painful

rtb  09/12/2012 01:28 PM Report

1. Obama will will the election because he is the better man.

2 The stock market will continue to rise and unemployment will continue to creep down.

3. I made more money with Obama than I lost with Bush.

4. I do not vote for a party.

5. I vote for a candidate.

Slim  09/12/2012 01:19 PM Report

Just another glaring testimony of why some informed black analysis and comment is sorely needed in our media. Woodward laments the good ol days of F.D.R. and more broadly, the ability of past presidents to mold the congress to their will for the good of the country. No credit was given the fact that despite the issues involved, these were rich white men interacting with mutual respect and regard within the same racial and cultural mileiu. In the case of our current president, he is trying to accommodate a completely alien and hostile congress and media, to do what is best for the nation. Woodward's assertion that "President Obama doesn't even like them", meaning congressional Republicans and border state red dog dixiecrats, meant as some kind of an inditement of his willingness to compromise and mix it up with the good ol boys, is justified when viewed from a black perspective, by the overt racial animus of the opposition and media. Not even a passing reference to race was made in this discussion, no mention of the "liar" interuption at the State of the Union address, of Mark Halpern's public, private disrespect, of singleing out this president, from the beginning, with across the board opposition to every proposal and entreaty, and other insults, personal, private,and public, in this so called post racial America. This kind of opposition, overtly but subtlely grounded in this nation's 400 year old history of racism and racial discrimination, has apparently been given a pass by the white media, never hinted at or discussed on lily white political panels or written about by supposedly astute and fair journalists.

tabs  09/12/2012 01:04 PM Report

Mr Woodward to be an affective Leader one has to not only have an intellectual quality but an EMOTIONAL one as well in intergration with each other. In the end to be an effective leader it doesn't matter what the other guy does it is what you do and what you bring to the table.

Mr Woodward is a GOOD and solid chronicler of events and history, but he is not a great thinker.

The following has been e-mailed and posted to this Board ad nauseum, and whose conclusions about President Obama seem to be born out by Mr Woodwards chronicle.

This was posted to the Charlie Rose Comment Board for the Mathew Dowd interview of 12/7/11.

Mr Rose during the Dowd interview you asked, "Is it inexperience" in Obama that makes him a sic poor leader? The answer to your question is that if it were an issue of "EXPERIENCE" one would think that the on the job training of nearly 3 full years years would make Obama a more efficaious leader. THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE, President Obama is as inept at leading the nation as the day he stepped into office. Therfore there MUST be another cause for the Obama leadership style and that comes down to PERSONALITY TRAITS.

One will reiterate to you once again, in very clear terms why President Obama is a POOR LEADER:

1. Barrack Obama's personality set is more suited for academia than the Oval Office. As stated so many times before BO likes to stay in his head (INTELLECTUALIZE) and does not like to be emotional. BO pushes emotion away as being something confusing and messy to deal with. This is a sure prescription of someone who does not do well in real time..(Make Decisions)as decision making involves risk and therefore emotion. He will seem detached as Gen MCHrystal noticed in his conversations with BO on Afghan policy. Further his intellectualization seperates him from using emotion as an intutive device, this seperation leads him to make false assumptions based upon intellectualization about the mood of the nation. This is what makes BO out of touch with the American people.

2. BO's was brought up by a very "Socially Conscience" Mother. As such he has a perception of the world as seen through the eyes of Social Democrat/Marxist. His chosen profession is that of a Community Organizer,as such he does not understand what makes the US economy tick. Rather his Economic Perceptions are based upon ideological notions of social and economic equality which are anthama to the business class. He does not see nor understand the other side of the coin, nor does he listen and learn even though he may give lip service to the contrary.

Further Mr Dowd stated that Preident Obama "has never confronted his own Party." Mr Rose this issue was addressed to you, in an email in 8/09 and is reprinted as follows for the edification of the matter .

Why Obama Will Never Be A Lincoln

08/21/2009 - 02:20 — tabs

This observation goes beyond trite partisan politics, but instead goes to the heart and soul of a man. It takes a look at the inside of a mans character and the "true grit" that he brings to the table.

To begin with one must take a look at the mans personal history. As everyone knows BO was a kid who was moved from family situation to family situation. The hallmark of this as previously stated was that he was always the outsider looking in, even within his own personality. This has given him the objectivity of the outsider, or one who has the ability to be a detached observer of events and feelings.

It was only when BO met his Michelle that he was accepted for who he was and given the comfort and stability of a home. That he found love. It has been reported that while on the campaign trail he would always travel with someone from back home to give him the familiarity of that grounding stability.

BO has always been known as a cautious individual, always evaluating the risk involved in any political move. Further he has always relied on discourse as his method of achieving his goals. These two behavioral traits leads us to the third piece and that is BO legislative history, he has always voted Yes or Present with his own Party and never ever voted NO against his party.

This leads one to conclude that within him himself he can not risk being ostracized by his own political family. He will always go along, he will never be his own man but be subservient to the dictates of his own party. He will not face the fear and disappointment within himself of losing the only home he has ever known. He is not willing to go it alone in the world if necessary and suffer the slings and arrows of being your own man with his own principles and thoughts. This becomes obvious in letting his own party dictate the terms of the Stimulus, Budget, Cap and Trade and Health Care bills. This is why BO will never be a Lincoln.

Lincoln by contrast was willing to face adversity and was willing to go it alone if necessary, to be his own man. . The most telling fact of this in Lincolns life is the fact that he rose above his own fathers ostracization of him for wanting to rise above his station in life, that of being a poor illiterate dirt farmer from Illinois's. This was Lincolns transcendent moment. He became his own man guided by his own principles and own thoughts.

Because one wears the cloak of Caesar and or affects the mannerism of Caesar it does not mean he is a Lincoln, TR, FDR, Truman, Reagan or Caesar.

TABS

REMant  09/12/2012 11:31 AM Report

I think most ppl believe Congress will just abrogate the sequestration legislation in January, prompting the Fed to jump in and take the money to run the govt out of everyone's pocket - not, incidentally, the most progressive sort of taxation. But Moody's announced yesterday that it will downgrade US credit again if no budget agreement is reached. I've seen nothing which has asked what Pres Romney might do about this specifically and I don't think they'd get a straight answer if they do.

Obama, it seems, is prepared to defend the middle-class loopholes to the death, and Romney probably achieved everlasting ignominy by chipping in that he would too. I think Sunday's interview may have cost him the election, the economic statistics notwithstanding. However, based on the June figures, a model with a good track record developed by a couple of Colorado professors, says the president would get only 218 electoral votes and lose most of the "swing states." But if the market continues to inflate, and doesn't crash before Nov 6, it will favor Obama's re-election, because ppl have been led to believe the market is the economy. That is I suppose why Bernanke has been reticent.

While a fall in the stock market would probably be accompanied by a fall in house prices they will remain the same relatively, tho of course not with respect to other currencies, nor some commodities, which is little comfort to people in retirement. It is unclear in any case just how much a budget agreement can stop this from happening if it is not a good deal more significant than what has been offered, and esp if the Fed doesn't change course. The "pay-go" schemes embraced by countries the world over in the past century pose problems not just for pensions, but for economies as a whole.

No one seems to have understood what Woodward meant by an Obama failure of will. It would appear he meant a failure to control his own party, and make deals with his opposition. Makes sense to me. The buck stops there, or at least it used to. If the "grand bargain" had been broached in good faith two years earlier things might have been different, altho I imagine neither party believed such a thing would even be necessary. And, of course, the way health care was handled made the failure almost inevitable. It's certainly questionable whether this president is in any way repentant. I've thought for quite a while we'd have been better off with a President Biden.