Charlie Rose

TBLA  06/16/2012 10:23 PM Report

I found this interview revelatory. I didn't even know about the stuxnet virus til now. Thank you, Stranger, for "outing" what millions had never known. I don't have my head in my ass but this was new information. When I told my friends (very educated people) they said "what?". All except my brother-in-law who examines internet viruses for a living who said, "Yeah, we've been examining this for some time" like some cancer on a petrie dish.

knowitall  06/08/2012 09:54 PM Report

David Sanger apparently feels it is justified to divulge national security secrets simply because they are interesting. He and his sources have damaged our national interests, and I hope Eric Holder finds them.

Charlie opened the episode with the most asinine statement I have ever heard him utter. Characterizing Obama's foreign policy as a continuation of Bush's disasters is absurd and lowers Charlie's credibility.

Bush wanted to re-shape the middle east by force, and instead he set it on fire. Obama *has* reshaped the middle east, by allowing Bush's allies to be accountable to their citizens. Using soft power successfully is not "a continuation" of needlessly/heedlessly applying brute force to a poorly understood situation.

Ricardo_Amaral  06/07/2012 06:44 PM Report

@ShalomFreedman: I agree with you that David Sanger is a first- rate journalist.

We don't have too many of them around today; they are a dying breed and on the verge of extinction here in the United States mainstream media.

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Ricardo_Amaral  06/07/2012 11:36 AM Report

@ShalomFreedman: The United States might need to attack Iran, but not because of Israel.

The US might need to attack Iran to take away the attention to a collapsing US economic and financial system.

We are closer to a total economic and financial collapse than most people realized.

Over 75 years ago Wall Street Crashed; but today the New Crash is already underway...

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=b27d043bd1e76d2d7c1a65c1f03eb258&threadid=117003&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=32

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June 3, 2012

SouthAmerica: Raoul Pal (a “Goldman Sachs the Pillage People” alum) expects a series of sovereign defaults, the "biggest banking crisis in world history", and asserts that we don't have many options to stop it.

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Business Insider – June 1, 2012

Former Hedge Funder Presents A Terrifying Vision Of THE END GAME

http://www.businessinsider.com/raou...nd-game-2012-6?

Everyday, we hear some pretty grim predictions about the markets and the economy._ But this is one of the more comprehensive and most gloomy outlooks we've ever seen.

Raoul Pal expects a series of sovereign defaults, the "biggest banking crisis in world history", and asserts that we don't have many options to stop it.

Pal previously co-managed the GLG Global Macro Fund. He is also a Goldman Sachs alum. He currently writes for The Global Macro Investor, a research publication for large and institutional investors.

A note on the presentation; the last slide is not meant to suggest that we're going back to the economic activity of 3000 years ago. It refers to the 3000 year old trade links between the nations along the Indian Ocean, which Mr. Pal believes will be the center of world's opportunities. Just like the West 50 years ago, they have "...low debts, high savings and a young population".

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Raoul's Background

Raoul Pal has previously co-managed the GLG Global Macro Fund in London for GLG Partners, one of the largest hedge fund groups in the world.

Raoul came to GLG from Goldman Sachs where he co-managed the hedge fund sales business in Equities and Equity Derivatives in Europe. Other stop-off points on the way were Natwest Markets and HSBC, although he began his career by training traders in technical analysis.

Raoul Pal retired from managing client money in 2004 at the age of 36 and now lives on the Valencian coast of Spain, from where he writes for The Global Macro Investor.

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On this video Glenn Beck is reading the entire article written by Raoul Pal that was published by Business Insider on June 1, 2012.

Glenn Beck Radio (GBR) - Economic End Game [6-04-2012]

http://youtu.be/znaFIOmdosM

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ShalomFreedman  06/07/2012 04:57 AM Report

Sanger is a first- rate journalist and provides much here which is of great interest. But he does not address one major question i.e. Where is the U.S. in regard to Iran now, and what is the likelihood of the U.S. striking Iran militarily to stop its program?

He also does not really answer the question of whether the Cyberwar has any real chance of halting the Iranians.

Perhaps the cyberwarfare and Drone warfare will not provide real answers to the major problems.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/07/2012 03:10 AM Report

Obama as "Drone Man" . . . no matter what laws your nation (Pakistan) may pass they do not effect Drone Man.

He is above nationalism, a world court or just a simple review.

When you have superpowers you don't answer to laws made by some nut job of a country or even some nations that have united.

Go Drone Man, Go!

Use your light footprint against all evil.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/07/2012 03:00 AM Report

"As fears of Israel launching an airstrike against Iranian facilities increased, the administration opted to make Israel part of the Olympic Games program. The Israelis worked with the National Security Agency to design Stuxnet, which was introduced into the Natanz facility via USB drives by spies and unwitting employees."

http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/management/240001297?cid=nl_IW_daily_2012-06-01_html&elq =f933dbb87e464e248952b1a523ab9672

So if you cause fear of aggression you get to play in our espionage?

No wonder Iran wants a nuke.

Whatever you do, DO NOT tell "our friends" the Pakistanis.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/07/2012 02:43 AM Report

“And then what?” three words Robert Gates never heard enough.

Yes, this interview was scary. Too scary.

"We will hang the capitalists with the rope that they sell us." NOT said by Marx nor Lenin nor Stalin. However, in the 21st century Ahmadinejad might say, 'We will defeat the Americans with the same worm that attacks us.'

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/07/2012 02:28 AM Report

This sounds like Microsoft and their "Blue Screen of Death" (which also makes a great Halloween costume):

"And they had not tested it fully, just the way some software companies sometimes release a program, and you discover the bug when you turn on your computer.

What happened here was that the worm was living in the Natanz nuclear enrichment plant, and then one day an Iranian engineer, I think an unwitting engineer, came along and plugged his laptop computer directly into these controllers just to do the ordinary maintenance work he would do as part of his job.

And the bug, the worm, leapt aboard his laptop. He didn't know it. He left the plant, he plugged into the Internet, and the worm did not detect that its environment had changed.

And so all of a sudden it thought the whole Internet, the whole world, was that same environment, and it began propagating itself. And..."

THE WHOLE INTERNET! Yes, and the question is, what if it had done damage?

What if the Iranians changed the code and then brought the world to its knees?

So we are the first to use nuclear weapons and now the first to use a cyber attack and the cyber attack was like a Microsoft Windows release?

Again Charlie, what are we getting for our $80.1 BILLION because that was a really, really stupid mistake?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/07/2012 02:10 AM Report

Charlie, you missed a point he was trying to emphatically make at 9:55.

His point was that the President asked during the Tunisia uprising what the chances were that this uprising was going to spread to Egypt. Obama was told a very tiny chance.

This is a HUGE failure of the intelligence community--and just by Sanger's body language--should have sparked a follow-up question.

Here is the question you missed: So what are we getting for our $80.1 BILLION?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102807237.html

tabs  06/06/2012 10:57 PM Report

Hail Caesar Obama, Sanger couldn't have painted a more attractive portrait of Obama if he had been a paid chronicler of the current Administration. This borders on sycophant propaganda all conveniently released just in time for the reelection campaign of the President. Didja ever think that Sangers real angle is to get this made into a Hollywood movie staring Denzel Washington as Obama?

REMant  06/06/2012 11:48 AM Report

Ricks found this account tendentious, revealing both poor Pentagon relations, and a tendency to micro-manage. But I suppose the point is not so much the president's re-election as an attempt to trace the evolution of his foreign policy, which, tho, I think we could have deduced from the appointments of Petraeus and Panetta. Ike was/is blamed by some for retreating from confronting the "Communist menace," that is, by those who don't, on the other hand, see him as stoking the arms race. Neither interpretation is true, of course. He tried to improve relations with the Soviets, while balancing the budget and defending the US and Europe. Medium-range nuclear missiles filled that bill. I suspect this president is attempting the same. But it appears the same sort of disingenuousness we've seen all too often issuing from the White House, where things are said only to be covertly belied. And Sanger reports the president bridled at the paucity of options to support his Middle East pronouncements, evident, I think, in the dithering over Libya. They might spend more time considering the century following the fall of the Ottoman Empire, since none of what's happening there now is particularly new.

None of these revelations shake my opinion that cybersecurity is presently the biggest boondoggle in Washington, neither particularly effective, nor offering real security. It is equally deceitful to be talking about democracy, saving the middle class, etc, and at the same time seeking increased dictatorial powers, including wiretapping and the use of military drones domestically. Virtually nothing of this sort makes the national media, and if it does, it's boosted, as in the Wash Post's new "investigative" series, as necessary defense. Arguably the only genuine security is to be found in freedom, not only here, but also abroad. And if this president has a coherent vision of democracy, I'd certainly like to know what it is.