Charlie Rose

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/18/2012 03:35 AM Report

Torture? Watch "Taxi to the Dark Side".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_to_the_Dark_Side

Here is one (of many?) innocent guys we tortured to death:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dillawar.jpg

Hebb's sensory deprivation research was funded by and coordinated with the CIA (McCoy, 2007).

Hebb claims he can put you (yes you) into psychosis in just 48 hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_O._Hebb#Controversial_research

doodahdollychawly  06/04/2012 08:24 PM Report

Ole Rummy!!! how the hell ate ya?! Ole chum!!! Long Time No See!!!

I hear ya! I hear ya! It takes a Pillage to get a man's rocks off! Not some cottin-pickin "Village", like that dingybat, Hillary Clinton. That stupid broad thinks she's a man (well maybe geneticly she is, just between you and me) (sorry for that visual, now we'll just have to get ole Dick Cheney to bludgeon our eyeballs out for that one; you know how he likes to dish out the pain! heh heh.

Max83  06/03/2012 05:22 PM Report

Very good points you are making Neil and thank you for making Anne aware of this. I understand though were Anne is coming from and I respect here love and light approach, because it can be useful and healing. However it has its downfalls and can lead to ignorance and naivety and thus to disappointment and potential abuse and being manipulated if it is not balanced with discernment and wisdom.

Here some words on this topic that deeply resonate with me:

''Through eons of time, souls are being constantly created, so it would just make sense that there are some souls that would have a greater amount of experience, wisdom, expertise and "soul evolution" than others. Then there are souls who keep having the same experiences over and over again because they haven't gleaned the wisdom that their soul sent them here to experience in the first place.

Each being here on Earth is at a different stage of soul evolution due to the different life experiences it has previously undergone, both here on Earth and in other realms. With this in mind, to say we are "all the same" is ludicrous so when I hear new-agers say, "we are all the same, we are all one" I want to revolt!

Yes, there is a thread that connects all life in the grand web of this illusion/hologram we call 3-D, and that web is a web of LOVE! This LOVE web connects the plant, animal, and mineral kingdoms all together in one grand matrix. BUT, there is a trap here. To say/embrace "we are all one" could covertly align you with the very energies, elements, and beings that are deceptively attempting to control and have power over everyone and everything. There are beings, entities, energies and elements on this planet that are corrupting and altering this web into a distorted web of Anti-Love. One way they are attempting to overthrow it is by infiltration and deception. It takes an eagle eye and top notch truth detectors to identify some of these traps... and this is something that Indigos were trained to do. They were also trained to walk in Love, emanating immense and intense amounts, while scanning for infiltration. When this infiltration / infection is found in the web, Indigos were trained in either converting this distortion or removing it.

This propaganda agenda that promotes "we are all the same" has a self-serving motive. They might as well say that we are all clones from the same mold, no one greater or lesser, all the same. This perception being sold to us reeks of imprisonment of the mind and soul. No room for growth or individualism.....just everyone and everything painted a neutral "beige." If this campaign continues to run, and Indigos and other members of the CCC buy into it, the entire rescue/clean-up operation is in jeopardy.

This does not mean that we do not honor other people, other cultures, and life forms for their similarities and differences. It means that we don't turn a blind eye to blatant but quiet overthrow techniques from the powers that be.

I can agree that it is not only important, but MANDATORY to keep altered egos in check so that a "super ego" doesn't run amok and get out of control. This is a "no brainer" ...egos constantly need to be monitored and balanced. I also agree that to be older doesn't make you better; it should only make you more responsible and wiser.''

NeilMacCallister  06/03/2012 04:13 PM Report

Anne, ..be careful. If we are "all one", then there can be no theft, because one person cannot steal from themself.

The government does want you to believe "We are all one" -- for they can then take everything you have in your possession, and it can not be called theft.

Money does not create poverty, our decisions as individuals and as voters do.

Our souls can take care of themselves -- if we let them -- that too is our choice.

Lastly, there is no "unoccupied territory" where we can go sit out the turmoil of life -- and like it or not, ourselves and our possessions are still being eaten alive, each and every day.

May your soul stay happy nonetheless! .. :)

anne4444  06/02/2012 04:02 PM Report

Here are some different perspectives:

The universe in its origin, do not have any separation. All things are united as one.

Our next future is likely to be in the level of sharing through our souls, sharing the thoughts without privacy, sharing the pains with shame, sharing visions without limitation and sharing the joys without reservation.

Looking back, we were all very primitive animals, either ate others or be eaten. The money system made many families homeless. It can not be justified under the law for primitive beings. Anyone shall have the right to have a place in an unoccupied territory.

Please help to move us forwards toward future instead of backwards in the past.

Someone or some entity shall step up to do research on human soul. We may all carry little greys as our souls. Hopefully we will find out the answer…WHO WE TRULY ARE

IRISH  06/02/2012 01:29 PM Report

WRT the military-industrial complex that DR does not see for less military spending (currently 0.9T), it was DR who was the day after 9/11 was scheduled to report to a Congressional committee that there was an audit report whereby the Pentagon could not account for 0.9 trillion in expenditures. And this was shelved due to 9/11. Understood. However the expenditures continue and value for money is zero in many line items.

NeilMacCallister  06/02/2012 01:50 AM Report

America is DEAD! Rumsfeld sells his next book, and Charlie Rose collects his continuing government-subsidized PBS paycheck.

And you and I get an $8,000 dollar "Lien Notice" from the state, ..an entity organized to steal money from the stupid poor, to spend on their over-average paychecks.

America died under a too extended era of Democrat thefts.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/02/2012 01:16 AM Report

Secretary Rumsfeld mentions the cost of Defense (really offense) at a very reasonable 4% range of our GDP.

Let us not forget other defense-related non-DOD spending, such as Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security, and interest paid on debt incurred in past wars, which has increased even as a percentage of the national GDP.

Then since we are in a global economy let us look around.

Our 2012 budget is 6-7 times larger than the $106 billions of the military budget of China (oh and we hear time and time again about big bad China), and is more than the next twenty largest military spenders combined (more than 20 COMBINED--you are killing us like with the cost of health care).

The United States and its close allies are responsible for two-thirds to three-quarters of the world's military spending (of which, in turn, the U.S. is responsible for the majority).[36][37][38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Both the cost of our Department of Offense (isn't Homeland Security really our Defense) and the cost of our Health Care (soon to be a fifth of our GDP) will bring us to our knees.

Ricardo_Amaral  06/01/2012 07:31 PM Report

Over 75 years ago Wall Street Crashed; but today the New Crash is already underway...

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=f04dff843310639503dd245330960ae9&threadid=117003&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=30

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BoseEinstein  06/01/2012 04:29 PM Report

At least President Obama has accomplished something during his 4 years, he got Osama!

Ricardo_Amaral  06/01/2012 08:10 AM Report

'US corporate channels spread wars' – May 31, 2012

http://youtu.be/vNrC3yrWt2c

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Ricardo_Amaral  06/01/2012 05:42 AM Report

Jim Rogers: Global economic shocks coming in 2013-2014 – May 31, 2012

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=bb64c0a8ba99442d2badc4e1740046d6&threadid=81958&perpag e=6&pagenumber=100

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griffinfinity  06/01/2012 05:10 AM Report

Rumsfeld DID make one important point in Barack Obama's favor while he was trying to refrain from giving him any credit for the OBL decision ? he said (at 25:55) "Every President has available to him the capabilities of what's left to him by his predecessor" and this should be argued to this very day regarding the mess left to Obama (much like the CEO of Black Rock spoke on in his interview with Charlie Rose Thurs.)...Charlie, can you be sure to let the WH borrow Don's endorsement of Mr. Obama?!

Ricardo_Amaral  06/01/2012 03:45 AM Report

I have been documenting on my articles for many years the fast decline of influence, clout, prestige, and power of the United States in South America.

You can read about it at:

The Crumbling of America

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=6a8eec344461853c417f4b8a56781875&threadid=222491&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=20

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Ricardo_Amaral  06/01/2012 03:20 AM Report

When was the last time that we had a world superpower that depended on financing from other countries to keep itself barely financially afloat?

Without the charity of various countries from around the world including Japan, Brazil and China – the USA economic system would implode into a black hole.

What China has been doing to the United States for many years can't be considered an investment in US securities – it's more like charity since these supposed investments are becoming worthless by the day.

The Chinese have been accumulating trillions of US dollars (confetti) that are losing its real value by the second.

In January 2004 I posted this information on the Elite Trader Economics forum regarding Emmanuel Todd's book: “After the Empire - The Breakdown of the American Order”

July 26, 2003

The Conceited Empire

A historian credited with predicting the downfall of the Soviet Union in the 1970s now says that the US has been on its way out for the last decade

The power and influence of the United States is being overestimated, claims French historian and demographer Emmanuel Todd. "There will be no American Empire." "The world is too large and dynamic to be controlled by one power." According to Todd, whose 1976 book predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, there is no question: the decline of America the Superpower has already begun.

Emmanuel Todd compares the US to 16th century Spain, arguing that US economic power is being undermined by the decline of its industrial base and its increased dependence on other countries to feed its consumption. The power and influence of the United States is being overestimated, claims French historian and demographer Emmanuel Todd. "There will be no American Empire." "The world is too large and dynamic to be controlled by one power." According to Todd, whose 1976 book predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, there is no question: the decline of America the Superpower has already begun.

Mr. Todd, wrote that America is economically, militarily, and ideologically too weak to actually control the world. The US is still the most powerful nation in the world today, but there are many indicators that they are about to relinquish their position as solitary superpower. He said: “In my 1976 book, La chute finale (Before the Fall: The End of Soviet Domination), I based my prediction of the fall of the Soviet Union on the relevant indicators of the time. An analysis of current demographic, cultural, military, economic, and ideological factors leads me to conclude that the remaining pole of the former bipolar world order will not remain alone in its position. The world has become too large and complex to accept the predominance of one power. There will not be an American Empire.

The American hegemony from the end of WW II into the late 1980s in military, economic, and ideological terms definitely had imperial qualities. In 1945 fully half the manufactured goods in the world originated in the US. And although there was a Communist-bloc in Eurasia, East Germany, and North Korea, the strong American military, the navy and air force, exercised strategic control over the rest of the globe, with the support and understanding of many allies, whose common goal was the fight against communism. Although communism had some dispersed support among intellectuals, workers, and peasant groups, the power and influence of the US was by and large with the agreement of a majority throughout the world. It was a benevolent empire. The Marshall Plan was an exemplary political and economic strategy. America was, for decades, a 'good' superpower.

It has, above all, become a weak one. The US no longer has the might to control the large strategic players, primarily Germany and Japan. Their industrial capacity is clearly smaller than that of Europe and approximately equal to that of Japan. With twice the population, this is no great accomplishment.

Their military potential is nevertheless still the largest by far, but is declining and consistently over estimated. The use of military bases is dependent on the good will of their allies, many of which are not as willing as before. The theatrical military activism against inconsequential rogue states that we are currently witnessing plays out against this backdrop. It is a sign of weakness, not of strength. But weakness makes for unpredictability. The US is about to become a problem for the world, where we have previously been accustomed to seeing a solution in them.

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Another interview with Emmanuel Todd regarding his book.

This interview was the subject of some discussion at Metafilter.com.

In a Nutshell:

The US leadership doesn't know anymore where to turn. They know that they are monetarily dependent on the rest of the world, and they are afraid of becoming inconsequential. There are no more Nazis and Communists. While a demographic, democratic, and politically stabilizing world recognizes that it is increasingly less dependent on the US, America is discovering that it is increasingly dependent on the rest of the world. That is the reason for the rush into military action and adventures. It is classic.

Classic?

The only remaining superiority is military. This is classic for a crumbling system. The final glory is militarism. The fall of the Soviet Union took place in an identical context. Their economy was in decline, and their leadership grew fearful. Their military apparatus gained in size and stature and the Russians embarked on adventures to forget their economic shortcomings. The parallels in the US are obvious. The process has significantly accelerated in the past few months.

...One of the working propositions of my book, After the Empire is that the concept of military control of the globe no longer makes any sense. In relation to the military, there will be a balance of power in the future. There is still a nuclear balance of power between the US and Russia. The notion that sections of the globe can be controlled through military might is passé, because it is unrealistic. You can destroy regimes and bomb their infrastructure, as the Americans have done in Afghanistan, but the populations -- including those in the developing world -- have become educated and literate enough to eliminate any possibility of re-colonization. The only power that ultimately counts today is economic power.

...Most apparent is how clumsy the US has been to date, and how far they have moved away from any notion of universality. They don't see the world as it really is anymore. They are failing in any balanced and fair approach to their allies. All of this reminds me of Germany under Wilhelm II. The US is losing allies steadily. One gets the impression that an office somewhere in Washington has been tasked with the duty to daily prepare a scheme to develop new enemies for the US.

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Emmanuel Todd is a 60 year-old Historian and Political Scientist at the National Institute for Demographics in Paris. His research examines the rise and fall of peoples and cultures over the course of thousands of years.

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SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:51 AM Report

Listen to Robert Gates NOT Donald Rumsfeld:

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates wrote in 2009 that the U.S. should adjust its priorities and spending to address the changing nature of threats in the world: "What all these potential adversaries—from terrorist cells to rogue nations to rising powers—have in common is that they have learned that it is unwise to confront the United States directly on conventional military terms. The United States cannot take its current dominance for granted and needs to invest in the programs, platforms, and personnel that will ensure that dominance's persistence. But it is also important to keep some perspective. As much as the U.S. Navy has shrunk since the end of the Cold War, for example, in terms of tonnage, its battle fleet is still larger than the next 13 navies combined—and 11 of those 13 navies are U.S. allies or partners."[43] Secretary Gates announced some of his budget recommendations in April 2009.[44]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2009/04/gates_follows_through.html

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:49 AM Report

He worries most about weakness in our defense (among other things).

I have to pay $4K a year for our defense and of that $4K a grand of it is interest on the defense-related debt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PerCapitaInflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG

Interest on debt DEFENSE RELATED:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG

So how about a CASH ONLY defense so he won't appear to be disingenuous. NO MORE DEBT FOR DEFENSE!

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:43 AM Report

No matter who votes for the war nor who the allies are if you make up the intelligence or subvert the intelligence to go to war then you are a criminal.

It is a "Crime of Aggression".

The ICC will hear your case in 2017.

The International Criminal Court (commonly referred to as the ICC or ICCt)[1] is a permanent tribunal to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression (although it cannot, until at least 2017,[2] exercise jurisdiction over the crime of aggression).[3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

Lawyer up Donny Boy.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:23 AM Report

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/etc/script.html

BOB WOODWARD: The night of 9/11, at a small group meeting of the principals, Rumsfeld actually puts Iraq on the table and says, "Part of our response maybe should be attacking Iraq. It's an opportunity." So he was the first to mention it.

NARRATOR: So the neocons now had their opportunity to take on Saddam Hussein, and on September 13th, Wolfowitz personally took the case public.

Charlie, I would have supported you if you made a citizen's arrest.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:20 AM Report

Leave it to our Republican friends to create intelligence, by expanding the Defense Department, in order to go to war.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Frontline transcript for Donald Rumsfeld to read:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/etc/script.html#ixzz1Pxp0HrBW

JAMES BAMFORD, Author, A Pretext for War: Every morning, the presidential Daily Brief, the PDB, will be given. It'll be given both to the president and the vice president. And Cheney complained numerous times that the information coming from the CIA was not very good.

NARRATOR: Cheney was looking for information that linked Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

JAMES BAMFORD: But they weren't getting that information from the CIA. And so he put pressure, I think, on Rumsfeld and on the Pentagon to come up with their own estimates.

NARRATOR: Rumsfeld saw an opportunity for the civilians in the Department of Defense to finally get in the intelligence business. Inside the Pentagon bureaucracy, he could easily and quietly grow a nearly invisible operation.

What a wonderful guy this Rumsfeld.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  06/01/2012 02:16 AM Report

Charlie, he can’t take your questions head on so he asks you a question to throw you back on your heels but you didn’t fall backwards. Great job!

"Can I just say with great respect . . ."

Charlie, you don't really need to say "with great respect" but I understand with his personality and record you felt compelled.

Max83  06/01/2012 01:55 AM Report

I just checked the official website of the Bilderberg Meeting:

www.bilderbergmeetings.org/

and I saw that Charlie Rose is a participant of this year's meeting, which is great in my opinion. Here the official list: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html

There are many misconceptions about this meeting and many theories surrounding it, therefore I think it would be great if the Charlie Rose Show could do a piece on this meeting and explain to the public what the meeting is all about. In my opinion this transparency would help everybody, the participants of the meeting and the public. It would be a win-win situation so to speak, and quite revolutionary in an evolutionary context in my opinion.

Thank you very much for the consideration of my suggestion and I hope the meeting will be a success and I wish all the participants a good and productive weekend.

Max83  05/31/2012 08:55 PM Report

Alex talks with Daniel Estulin, long-time Bilderberg researcher and author of the indispensable book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Group. Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com provide coverage throughout the day as an expected record number of demonstrators are expected to voice their opposition to the secretive elitist group.

Here the link to the youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urt_chvoerw

The idea is to de-value the US-Dollar to the Chinese currency, because that will boost productivity in the USA and make China less attractive for investment.

A weaker Euro and US-Dollar is great for the USA and Europe as economic entities, but not great for its people. The Bilderberg group and the people backing it are most concerned about China and in order get a grip and their grip on China the Chinese currency has to become the third global reserve currency as quickly as possible.

Charlie did a great interview in December of 2010, that basically explains what is planned and is most like to happen in the World for the next 8 to 10 years.

All about gold with John Hathaway, Peter Munk, & James Grant

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11330

I don't know if the Bilderbergers and the Olympians how they also call themselves will succeed with their plans, but I can tell you that they own most of the gold mined and most of the gold mines and they will hugely benefit from a weak US-Dollar and semi-strong Euro. In two to three years they will use their gold to buy up all the real-estate and hard assets they can put their hands on.

NeilMacCallister  05/31/2012 08:45 PM Report

Charlie starts with claims that "Bush started out with budget surpluses, and ended up with budget deficits."

But for some reason, he chooses NOT to inform the viewers that Bush started out with Republicans writing and approving the budgets, and ended up with Democrats writing and approving the budgets.

Is Charlie Rose an honest man?

Max83  05/31/2012 07:22 PM Report

Agreed, fantastic and tough interviewing from Charlie Rose. Thank you for that Charlie.

I feel in order to truly understand the last 12 years one has to read and understand the ''Project for the New American Century'' and who it was backed by, which included Mr. Rumsfeld. Here the link to the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Much Truth on how the world has been run is coming to the surface and the Powers That Be are getting majorly questioned and exposed. The wide spread coverage of the 2012 Bilderberg Meeting that is taking place right now in Chantilly, VA is just one example of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

beenthere2460  05/31/2012 07:18 PM Report

Thank you Charlie, you did a good job. You would have made Mike Wallace, RIP, proud.

Some people become anachronisms in their own right. Mr. Rumsfeld proved it.

jxcos  05/31/2012 04:23 PM Report

Chalie, Way to go!! One of the best interviews ever...Extremely imformative & entertaining!

NoPardonforMichaelMilken  05/31/2012 04:12 PM Report

So, according to Rummy, Leader Cheney and Rummy are blood'n guts patriots who maintained that "deficits don't matter" and guided a woe begotten U.S. military to victory in Iraq and over al Qaida and Osama bin Laden.

And, as per Rummy, President Obama's a communist-socialist-fascist-Kenyan-anti-colonialist whose tax and spend policies will destroy America, capitalism, and the entire free world.

Good to know.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  05/31/2012 03:22 PM Report

Oh boy, oh boy!

What a difference between Rumsfeld and Gates--A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Thank you Charlie for these two interviews and making me see why Colin Powell is waiting to give his endorsement.

If Romney picks another Rumsfeld he should be defeated on this alone.

cosmic_utensil  05/31/2012 02:42 PM Report

Way to go Charlie, you were on point in this one.

tabs  05/31/2012 02:04 PM Report

Mr Rumsfield reminds one of the man who whittles a square truth peg into a round truth peg to fit a round truth hole. When asked about the US plans for Iraqi reconstruction after the fall of Saddam, Mr Rumsfield answered that it was Army Commands job not his and as such didn't know anything about it. Then with regards to Afghanistan, he was fully knowledgeable about the tribal differences and a decentralized Afghan political structure. How can it be that he was well versed on one and not the other? One thinks the title of Mr Rumsfeld's book should have instead been entitled, "THE KNOWING AND UNKNOWING RUMSFIELD"

"Misleading" about the Defense budget being funded by borrowed money? With 40 cents of every USD that the US government spends being borrowed, the portion of the 700B USD Defense Budget being borrowed is 280B USD a year. Which is rougly what all of Europe spends per year on defense. If one recalls General and later President Eisenhower warned about the "Military Industrial Complex." as he left the Presidency. Since that time (JFK/LBJ) the US has had a GUNS AND BUTTER policy in which both segements have not been fully funded, and that deficit was masked over by the SS Payroll taxes being put into the GA to be treated later as an accounts payable. Mr Rumsfield was party to this policy at least in the Republican adminsitrations over the decades. So how is it that Mr Rumsfield thinks that it is "misleading" to think that at least a portion of the Defense budget wasn't put on the AMex Card? Perhaps it is Mr Rumsfield himself that is doing the "misleading."

Reverence95  05/31/2012 01:48 PM Report

I always find Donald Rumsfeld noteworthy, however, I feel there is one follow up question that is consistently never asked - if the OMB/CBO projected that by 2012 the national debt would be under control with the Clinton Tax rates, why is our current problem positioned at too much spending as compared with cash flow shortages from 12 years of substantially reduced revenue resulting from the Bush tax cuts while dramatically increasing costs with two wars?

Ellen_Dibble  05/31/2012 12:53 PM Report

I'm waiting for a chance to say how much I enjoyed the interview the same evening with Fawaz Gerges, start to finish, and I'm so glad he has a book out too. But as to this interview with Rumsfeld, anyone looking for interviewing technique and skills, when to use which set of facts, when to stir things this way or that, and from what sort of perspective, this to me was a classic interview. Slam dunk. Oh, it seemed so tame and gray to you? There is such a thing as under the radar, even in the media.

fccm  05/31/2012 12:15 PM Report

As you know, you go to war with the Rumsfailed you have. He’s not the Rumsfeld you might want or wish to have at a later time.

REMant  05/31/2012 12:13 PM Report

Like Churchill, Mr Rumsfeld certainly grows on one, but I'd be inclined to be wary, nevertheless.