Thomas de Wesselow

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Art historian Thomas de Wesselow on "The Sign: The Shroud of Turin and the Secret of the Resurrection"

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    1. glaar  04/29/2012 06:30 PM Report

      http://www.skepdic.com/shroud.html

      Were it not for ingrained religious tenets, I can't imagine anyone believing this story for a minute. It's just too silly.

      geo.

    2. walterlouis  04/23/2012 03:07 PM Report

      charlierose

      Thanks for broadcasting this interview.

      In particular, de Wesselow's comment as to the exponential change in the valence of images through history was "illuminating".

      Also, de Wesselow's preemptive that "I don't believe in telling people what to believe." seems to me a good prescription for tolerance. Perhaps some of the other commentators could give it more consideration!!

      Sincerely, Walterlouius

    3. glaar  04/20/2012 12:47 PM Report

      The biggest problem I see that shroud believers have to overcome is that the science has ALREADY been done. Very carefully, utilizing approved protocols and with scrupulous oversight. The conclusions (from two independant labs IIRC) were that the shroud is a fourteenth century artifact.

      Before advancing any more dubious theories (even is one is an authentic ART HISTORIAN) please refute the ACTUAL evidence that has already been gleaned.

      This was a really pathetic performance IMNSHO. I was embarassed for the poor guy...

    4. tornike  04/19/2012 06:09 AM Report

      http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com/

    5. SharkswithfrikingLazers  04/19/2012 02:28 AM Report

      The dead are unclean; that is why it was woman's work.

      Caves are dark so it is very difficult to see faint images.

      Perhaps they had a torch, ignored religious rules and thought an image on a cloth was a resurrection.

      Perhaps someone can create a Religifact and put it on their own version of the Truth-O-Meter or we can ask MythBusters to confirm, bust or judge it plausible?

    6. SharkswithfrikingLazers  04/19/2012 02:20 AM Report

      Let's get a corpse with a beard and a cave and try to duplicate the theory with the decomposition of gases.

      Never mind the Vatican.

    7. topazgirl  04/18/2012 09:33 PM Report

      I am not sure that de Wesselow truly believes his own theory as to the Shroud's authenticity... He seems a bit ambiguous in his explanations. I, too, am sceptical... If this image is a product of the Maillard Reaction, wouldn't it then be necessary that the cloth be draped across Christ's body in such a way as to be directly touching his skin in order for the decomposing gasses of the body to react with the cloth? And if this, indeed, was the case, would not the image of the face be wider? The image seems to show the normal face of a man of fairly thin stature.

      Place a hand-towel across your face, holding the towel at the spots near each side cheekbones, then remove it, still holding those spots. The surface of the towel between those spots becomes wider than a photograph of your face would normally appear. The shroud image shows no such difference between a straight-on shot and the real 3D surface depiction...

      I doubt that the Vatican will allow the Shroud be to be reexamined. The possibility of debunking its authneticity would take away from its value as a Holy relic symbolic of Christ's sacrifice for his People.

      I have faith enough in even 1970's carbon dating processes to come to my own decision as to whether it is authentic... Allow Christians their own faith as to if it is real...

    8. tabs  04/18/2012 05:41 PM Report

      The concept that the Shroud was the actual embodiment of Christs resurrection to the ancients is heretical. Two simple problems arise from this theory. First is what happened to the body? Second how did the Shroud talk to the Disciples?

    9. REMant  04/18/2012 12:09 PM Report

      Most of this is not news, much less good news. But given the shroud's image is natural, it must have been some time in formation. Belief in the resurrection was almost immediate. And there's no proof it has anything to do with the Biblical accounts.