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NeilMacCallister  05/17/2012 03:53 PM Report

Hah! Google returns the info that both US and World IQ is falling; and Messrs. Rose and Kandel sit in their oak tabled bower to reminisce about Vienna in 1900.

(cue the music: "..the daaaays, ..of wine and roooosesss")

Meanwhile, the Democrats are overjoyed with this politically expedient decline in "progress"!!!!

So much so, that Warren Buffett just went out and bought 63 newspapers in critical southeastern voting districts in order to cheer this decline yet farther "Forward!!" in November, 2012.

(cue Harold Hill: "76 trombones in the big charaaaade.."

medaglia70  04/12/2012 07:30 AM Report

STREAM OF MNEMOSYNE FOR 'AGE OF INSIGHT' : THE CROWN OF GUSTAV AND THE LEVIATHAN TORN DOWN

<< (...) And when we seek in space of the ART a refuge from a LIFE out there, just so we get closer to life. But on the other hand ... the highest task of art is not to be an enjoyment, but to teach you to enjoy. In this sense, art is wonderful savior of humanity. (...)>>. GUSTAV KLIMT

Gustav Klimt would deserve a crown... similary at the contemporary sculpture Franz West in 2002 in a public square next to the Museum

Kunsthistorisches Museum in Wien, could do for him: the plugs are not here and it seems that worn by a character out of a ENSORian carnival or better... BRUEGELian carnival...

There would have been bad this crown enamel coated white instead of gold like the dome designed by Joseph Maria Olbrich . Palace where Klimt was portrayed on a throne as a Babylonian Assyrian King by photograph Moritz Nahr.

Fellow artists,six,standing,in front to seated Klimt; lying down in five with ironic poses over what looks like a leviathan has been slaughtered or a sculpture by Franz West again? ... Une dejeuner sur le monstre ... WOW! The SHOR HABAR has finally torn down the LEVIATHAN ?

Sincerely,

S.M.

Artifex

P.S. : very important message, is not metaphorical message for consumers : never eating raw fish especially tuna and blue-fish without first making sure that it was torn down to - 60 degrees, so to eliminate the dangerous parasite Anisachis ...!

SharkswithfrikingLazers  04/06/2012 02:51 AM Report

Two docents from the local Holocaust Museum brought art to a presentation and then had us interpret it.

The docents helped us understand the deep meaning the artist was trying to convey.

The "Eye of the Beholder" was opened not only to the art but to the life experience.

"I can feel your pain" through my Ghandi neurons.

This experience can help me create.

ShalomFreedman  04/05/2012 06:32 AM Report

Kandel is a truly admirable and interesting figure, whether one feels that the kind of investigation he is engaged in makes a substantial contribution to the understanding of aesthetic work. Works of Literature and Art are endlessly open to commentary, and can be happily over- interpreted. Any effort to provide a kind of 'scientific explanation' of the work is not to be taken as all- inclusive and comprehensive but rather just one more interpretation.

PS Once again the pathetic Mr. ReMant makes a broad ignoramus - like statement against Jews which is in fact the exact opposite of the reality. Does any really educated person today need to be convinced of the disproportionately beneficial contribution individual Jews have made to human civilization as a whole?

tabs  04/04/2012 05:54 PM Report

One cares about the synthesis of brain function rather than the synthesizing of brain function. Dr Kandel is looking at the technique of this brush stroke and that brush stroke to see how they all amount to a whole. On the other hand one is looking at the totality of the message conveyed and how and why (process) the artist gets there. What existential path does the artist use to arrive at his conclusion. One path is clinically antiseptic as it keeps its distance from the existential and the other wrestles with those Lions in the night. After awhile one gets to know those Lions and their habits really well. One merely uses the artists technique as confirmation of the larger existential conclusions one has drawn which is the how what and why the artist has drawn the picture in the first place. .

Gelles  04/04/2012 01:44 PM Report

As a great fan of C.P. Snow, and a reader who agreed when I read it, that it was perhaps the finest study of politics in my native language, I remain in awe of science and art as means by which we study what we should.

Politics and luck determine matters of authority. Military resources, courage, blood, strategy, tactics and luck determine matters of power.

Jews in America,including those who escaped the Holocaust in Europe -- Jews like Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller, also included -- we are informed in comment 1, below, "have managed to cause an inordinate amount of trouble in their adopted homelands", such as America and other English speaking nations.

The author of that comment is proof positive of the idiocy of the semi-educated mind.

We cannot do better than attempt excellence in science and/or art. Along the way, the necessities of life may also suggest pursuits like those of Abba Lerner, the most brilliant of the economists in the period of history under current consideration.

We here are not the heirs of kings, emperors or dictators. We are heirs of Franklin, Jefferson and Hamilton. We must be thankful for it.

Ellen_Dibble  04/04/2012 12:56 PM Report

For intellectuals considering the divide between science and art in the 1950s (when this topic was rather imposed on my grade school mind, and apparently more fruitfully on Kandel's), consider CP Snow (British): "He is best known for his series of novels known collectively as Strangers and Brothers, and for 'The Two Cultures', a 1959 lecture in which he laments the gulf between scientists and "literary intellectuals" (from Wikipedia), and consider Jacques Barzun, "Science: The Glorious Entertainment," 1964. Googling science and culture, there is an interesting title of a 1983 book, "Science Deified and Science Defied," by Richard Olson. If you google Barzun you'll find that the Darwin v. God debate has never stopped, and you could call it Darwin v. Art/Culture/Values if you chose. To me, Vienna from the early 19th century is fascinating, so I'm going to check out Kandel's book. I found Snow and Barzun very, very boring. And the ideological battles about science versus faith give me a headache, so -- I do have a large Gauguin reproduction right where I contemplate it every night, nonphilosophically, nonscientifically. Not the poster with Who am I, Where am I going -- but I'm interested to see more about how art and science are in dialogue from his perspective. I would wish for some reference to Johann Strauss as well as Klimt, but no, that would require a CD insert or web link, I guess.

As to sending your boys, including the young Eric Kandel, to America by ship, what did EB White write in Charlotte's Web? "Some pig"? In this case, Some Mama.

REMant  04/04/2012 11:56 AM Report

Pre-war Vienna contained a lot more than Freud, most just then coming to terms with Anglo-American thought in their kaffeeklatsches, a process still in its infancy when many of them, who were Jewish, sought to escape the Nazis. They have managed to cause an inordinate amount of trouble in their adopted homelands. Despite majoring in history and literature, Kandel seems to have no sense of the uses of the past at all, which is perhaps why he went into physiology, but it would seem to be typically Germanic, if not European. As I've suggested many times before, it is more useful to understand what ppl believe about things, than the things themselves. In embracing "the unconscious," most psychologists either turned it into a basis for primitivism, or went on their merry cultural and behavioral ways, in both cases shunting Freud off onto a siding. But I will grant you that there are patterns of meaning in both drawing, and music, the latter studied for quite a long time now, and undoubtedly there's a genetic component to cultural differences.