Analysis of the Michigan and Arizona primaries

with Matthew Dowd, Al Hunt and Mike Murphy
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Analysis of the Michigan and Arizona primaries with Al Hunt of Bloomberg News, Mike Murphy of Time and Revolution Agency and Matthew Dowd of Bloomberg News & ABC News

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    1. NeilMacCallister  03/12/2012 11:51 PM Report

      Wow, topaz, ..sorry I missed your humankind msg, ..but I've been out traveling my neighboring cities knocking on doors trying to pull in a few bucks with my handtools so that I may be able to pay enough on my under-water mortgage to forestall this month's foreclosure demand.

      How are things going for you? .. :)

      P.s. It's Monday night 3/12, ..Do you see that star and planet near together in the western sky????????

      Wow! ..Let those politicians and pundits live on muck and money, ..there are still beautiful events in life!!

    2. topazgirl  03/05/2012 12:43 AM Report

      Neil: You may become my secret "conservative crush"! (David Brooks is my other... ;D...)

      Absolutely, I'd prefer jobs to food stamps and unemployment checks, but right now that is easier said than done. And accusing these people of being malingerers is just plain mean and divisive. Waving a wand is not going to create the 21st century jobs our future will demand. Ignorant comments from the likes of Rick Santorum regarding the "snobbery" of higher education only reinforce the notion for many that "that job at the paper mill" will be back... it probably won't. I live in Oregon where, historically, our economy flourished due to the timber industry. A person could graduate high school, get a good-paying job with benefits at Boise Cascade Paper Mill, and 30 years later retire with a comfortable pension. Sadly, those days are gone forever... Our Country's future is dependent on an education system that prepares our kids for a relevent job market, and that system seems to be in a sad state, right now. Our economy won't change until our mind-set does... That Santorum can malign higher education as being for "elitist snobs", and the majority of his base hoot and holler in agreement, is rather frightening to me... Besides, isn't he an attorney with 2 or 3 degrees, and 2 kids in college right now?

      I am just really confused with Republicans... Why are the rational ones leaving in droves for the hills? I loved John McCain before he swung so far right to appease the GOP in the last Presidential election that he was barely recognizable... Then they lost an exceptional man in Arlen Specter, and NOW Olympia Snowe (God love her!)... Most notable Republicans responded to Rush Limbaugh's disgusting tirade with whimpy phrases like "he chose his words poorly", as if they are afraid of the fall-out of calling him out directly, and clearly!... Where are the Republicans of my childhood? Eisenhower? Reagan? My Dad?... For God's sake, Nixon even looks better to me; and I never thought in my wildest dreams (!) I'd ever say that!... Please, I would really like to understand what I witnessing in the Republican Party...

    3. NeilMacCallister  03/04/2012 12:34 AM Report

      It's not easy here either, tg. But your phrase "..in THIS economy" is crucial to one explanation for our troubles: We are pursuing a wrong choice of economies.

      Would you prefer to have food stamps and unemployment checks, ..or a job? The economy pursued by the current administration wants to tax Americans more, and put that money into food stamps and unemployment checks, of course this is after they portion-out the government salary checks to the growing number of "administrators" of those government food stamps and unemployment checks.

      A better economy is to let Americans keep their money themselves, so they can use it to buy the goods and services -- and business licenses! -- that provide our people with jobs of true productive value.

      The problem some people have with Mitt Romney is that he just wants to go ahead and straighten the economy -- but those people prefer to find someone more concerned with punching somebody else in the nose.

      Oh well, .."Men debate, and God laughs".

    4. NeilMacCallister  03/04/2012 12:34 AM Report

      It's not easy here either, tg. But your phrase "..in THIS economy" is crucial to one explanation for our troubles: We are pursuing a wrong choice of economies.

      Would you prefer to have food stamps and unemployment checks, ..or a job? The economy pursued by the current administration wants to tax Americans more, and put that money into food stamps and unemployment checks, of course this is after they portion-out the government salary checks to the growing number of "administrators" of those government food stamps and unemployment checks.

      A better economy is to let Americans keep their money themselves, so they can use it to buy the goods and services -- and business licenses! -- that provide our people with jobs of true productive value.

      The problem some people have with Mitt Romney is that he just wants to go ahead and straighten the economy -- but those people prefer to find someone more concerned with punching somebody else in the nose.

      Oh well, .."Men debate, and God laughs".

    5. topazgirl  03/03/2012 11:32 PM Report

      You Republicans are an enigma... You seem to dislike Romney because he is an affluent businessman ("not of the people"), yet seem to venerate large corporations... you have apoplexy when raising their taxes are suggested. You see Occupy as a bunch of useless malcontents... How are they different from the original Boston Team Party participants (not the your idiots that hi-jacked the name, and called Obama Hitler!...) who practiced civil disobedience, and railed against "corporate control"? Your base claims to live by conservative Christian values, yet some of the vilest, most mean-spirited comments and positions come from your camp!... You oppose health care for every citizen, you're the ones who malign food stamp and unemployment benefit recipients as low-lives not willing to work... Are you joking?... in THIS economy? None of this sounds Christian to me... I am at a loss as to understand what you folks are about; and frankly, I'm not sure I want to understand any longer! God must speak to me differently than He does to ya'll......

    6. SharkswithfrikingLazers  03/03/2012 04:19 AM Report

      Mitt may have won Michigan even with a wife who drives two Cadillacs but the rest of the country heard "not of the people".

      Remember when John McCain couldn't remember how many homes he owned and it turned out to be 10?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/mccain-doesnt-know-how-ma_n_120322.html

      Romney beats McCain as the elitest of the elite.

      This might be a bad thing don't you think?

    7. Gelles  03/02/2012 09:43 AM Report

      Neither socialist Bernie Sanders nor our Democratic president suggest asking Congress to tell its creature, The Federal Reserve (as central bank) to ease the money supply until taxes can be lowered and we reach potential full employment.

      Why is that?

      Do they not know we are enmeshed in a web of private debt that lots of money could resolve? Are they all stupid beyond words.

      They have two choices? Write down all debt to its fir market value. Or, ease the money supply to reflate back to where we were. Do one or a little of each. Get off your read ends and put us back to work. Are you all crazy?

    8. SharkswithfrikingLazers  03/02/2012 01:44 AM Report

      Charlie, apparently nothing gained from the show the night before:

      “Pundits are no better at it than readers of the New York Times.”

      Oh, oh Charlie and so, so many shows.

    9. Ricardo_Amaral  03/01/2012 11:00 PM Report

      Support RON PAUL to become President

      http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235506&perpage=6&pagenumber=13

      ...March 1, 2012

      SouthAmerica: The perfect ticket to win the 2012 US presidential election is:

      Ron Paul for President and Bernie Sanders for Vice President

      .

    10. NeilMacCallister  03/01/2012 01:49 PM Report

      The United States is becalmed on a dead ocean. This is because our current President has put an arrow through "the pursuit of happiness". His unemployed shipmates now hang upon his neck.

      "Look! ..There is a breeze on the horizen! ..a towering cloud which may bring wind and rain to keep us alive!"

      The stock brokers start to shuffle up from below deck, ..all the talk radios are noting that people are putting antes down, so as to have 'money in the game' should a 'current of commerce' be found once again!

      But here's the problem! ..If too much money is ante'd up in hopes of a new administration bringing life back to this dead sea, the stock market will report that bet-placed money with a small rise.

      So the question is, how much do we put in to have a seat at a possible future market revival, and yet not have that small rise attributed to a phantom "performance" of Barack Obama, so that the fears of the population retire once again, and they then go back to voting for the man who promises them nothing but fine images?

      Did the market go up today with Romney's wins in Mich and AZ?

      We will learn in November if the market will grow from a breeze on the horizen, to a replenishing billow of wind and life-supportive water!

      Romney wins? ..America grows. Obama wins? ..we come tumbling back down once again, in a pile of babble.

    11. REMant  03/01/2012 12:48 PM Report

      In Michigan Ron Paul took the youth, Santorum, the middle-aged, and Romney, the elderly, according to the Post's exit polls (which I can no longer find and were not identical to Edison's).

      Romney also took the cities and the wealthy, while Santorum gained the rural areas and the middle and lower-income, as well as those calling themselves more conservative. The former meant that while Romney narrowly won the popular vote, they split the delegates 50-50. Only 75-80% of voters indicated they would support Romney if he were the nominee, which again raises questions of his viability.

      The evangelical vote was fairly evenly split altho the "more religious" also went overwhelmingly for Santorum.

      However, the auto bailout issue seems to have been a wash, for all perhaps the manufacturing districts, as was the economy, sex, race, education, and debate performance. So I'd have to say the stats do not support either these pundits' suggestions that Romney focus on appearing more managerial, or their idea that Santorum did poorly in debates. The polls suggest minds were made up some time ago, too.

      Democrats did vote overwhelmingly for Santorum, but surprising to some (altho not me), more Catholics for Romney. The one thing you can count on Catholics to be, is catholic. Most may venerate the Pope, but I doubt they listen to anything he says. They are very "ancien regime." But it may be that Santorum could attract Democrats in the general election, even if they weren't Catholic.

      Also somewhat surprising, Paul was unable to get the votes of those who identify with Tea Party, but that may only indicate that either he was not considered a sensible choice in this contest, or that many, especially those who listen to Rush Limbaugh, et al, have no real idea what the Tea Party is about other than the usual "get govt off our backs" banality. But just one in four Paul supporters in Michigan said that they will definitely vote Republican no matter who the GOP nominates this fall, which, assuming the pollsters weren't talking to Dems, means that should Paul decide to run as a third party candidate, he would take lots of Republicans with him.

      Again the winner of both contests had only a plurality.

      I suspect these divisions will be pretty much the same nationwide.

      The word is the Romney campaign is also running out of money, so some Wall St types had better put some more money where their mouths are.