Charlie Rose

Max83  03/18/2012 04:02 AM Report

Sorry there were some wrong words in my last reply, here the corrected version:

Great interview, thank you Charlie!

I would like to see a Romney/Huntsman ticket, just to see something radically new in America. In my opinion having a Mormon in the White House is way more radical than having a black president and even more radical than to have a first female president for America.

My wife is an ex-Mormon and I agree Mormonism is kind of a weird religion hahahaha, but I must say that Mormons are the nicest and most down to earth people I have come across. I have been to Utah. My wife's entire family is still Mormon and they are absolutely a pleasure to be around. True and lasting change for America would mean a Mormon President in my personal opinion. Romney as President would not be about politics, but about true transformation.

I guess we will see how truly open-minded Americans are next November hahaha

Max83  03/18/2012 03:55 AM Report

Great interview, thank you Charlie!

I would like to see a Romney/Huntsman ticket, just to see something radically new in America. In my opinion having a Mormon in the White House is way more radical than having a black president and even more radical than to have a first female president for America.

My wife is an ex-Mormon and I agree Mormonism is kind of a weird religion hahahaha, but I must say that Mormons are the nicest and most down to earth people I have come across. I have been to Utah. My wife's entire family is still Mormon and they are absolutely a pleasure to be around. True and lasting change for America would mean a Mormon President in my personal president. Romney as President would not be about politics, but are true transformation.

I guess we will see how truly open-minded Americans are next November hahaha

Gelles  02/29/2012 04:38 AM Report

Equality is an artificial concept related human luck and human effort. Nature has ordained radical inequality in almost everything we care about. Yet there are measures that we consider useful that seem to feature equality, such as normal body temperature, normal time to grow from conception to birth, probability of having blue eyes if both parents have blue eyes.

Almost no one insists on equality in talent to sing or play an instrument; almost everyone wishes they were equal in wealth and income to the person with the most.

I say to forget equality in health, happiness or financial fortune. Rather than equality, concentrate on achieving protection of people with the least of these wants to raise such minimum scores as high as possible as we try to do for our children and our beloved other family members and our closest friends.

In other words, when there is no poverty, because society has discovered how to prevent it, the existence of radical inequality among no-longer-poor people would be acceptable.

If we could achieve a zero-poverty system of production, my next objectives might be zero pain and zero misery. The expression, "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride," comes to mind whenever we discuss these objectives.

The real truth is that poverty and misery persist wherever the Golden Rule has an insufficient number of adherents, in fact.

If we were struck dumb (unable to speak) for a day every time we disobeyed the Golden Rule, society would improve.

But everyone knows this.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/29/2012 01:45 AM Report

Let's us look at the Gini Coefficient World CIA Report 2009:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Gini_Coefficient_World_CIA_Report_2009.png

Look at America and China--we are partners in income inequality and share the same color!

Look at how green Sweeden is! Wow, who would have thought that the communists are so bad at equal income that they are being pounded by the Vikings?

Huntsman says Angola and China have the same per capita income though so there is that.

finalfantasytown  02/29/2012 01:34 AM Report

For the first location to build paradise, I think taiwan island, the most gorgeous one, has lots of advantages. All treasures are totally free in paradise for the first residents.

finalfantasytown  02/29/2012 01:22 AM Report

The power of will. Each Monday, at 10am, in front of the apartment I am living in China, students of a elemental school will get together to listen to a speech/poem given by a sixth grade student. 'Chinese communist part is like a sun. We are the children shined in the warm sunlight of communism, and strongly grow for realizing the dream of communism. Forward! forward! charge! and forward!' Each time when I hear this, I am so moved by the will, the power of which energizes me to work hard for the paradise. This is an Olympic game. The winner is the one who has strongest will.

Gelles  02/28/2012 09:12 PM Report

The change from debt-based to production (output)-based fiat money was recommended by hundreds scholars for thousands of years. But in 1944 it was codified as follows: nations can financially afford anything they can produce and want to produce. This even applies to defense systems and monuments to the arts, sciences and patriotic memorials to courageous people admired today -- even if they're long dead.

Of course, nature still governs eventual results: Katrina took out many things we wanted. The risk of climate change is real. We would do well to fear risk and conserve ahead of investing like a drunken sailor. Conservatives, in many examples, deserve our full attention.

Hyperinflation is a real threat. Money can lose its appeal -- and if that happens, we cannot eat it. We will have to return to agriculture that works, if we happen to fall in love with movies and run short of food to eat.

As my eldest son advises his old man, "moderation in all things", "do not expect other people to share your enthusiasms -- they have their own."

Gelles  02/28/2012 08:49 PM Report

that make so MANY of us wage slaves instead of A FREE PEOPLE.

[see last sentence posted by me below]

Gelles  02/28/2012 08:45 PM Report

NeilMacCallister ~

In your head and by your pen you construct nonsense. Interest on the federal debt is set by law -- it can be set far below the rate of inflation -- say at 3% when inflation is substantially higher.

Moreover, interest on the federal debt can be paid in US dollars created free of NEW/MORE debt!

The money we use is backed by our national promise to produce affordable necessities. NOW. IF WE CANNOT PRODUCE, YOUR FORECAST MAKES SOME SENSE.

Production is everything. Debt is nothing.

Out system has lost focus on CAN-DO PRODUCTION. We have to produce the (a)energy, (b)government smarts (user friendly government, business and professional coordinating systems), (c)education (student-friendly games that teach us all a trade if we are young -- and not gifted in math and science), and (d)games that we love from age 18 to 80 that teach us anything we want to learn, and will improve our income if we like, and give us an advanced degree -- no matter when we want to play them), etc.

Our major problem is TAXATION. We tax people to make government able yo pay its bills. IF WE DO A 180 degree CHANGE, we will not tax people -- we will make sure they can pay their bills and save a bundle. Government will depend on production to back the money in circulation and the money saved to make us independent and unafraid of banks, loan sharks, and other criminal combinations that make so money of us wage slaves instead of A FREE PEOPLE.

NeilMacCallister  02/28/2012 07:03 PM Report

Hah! ..All you people who are dependent upon Government checks for your subsidies, wages, and/or retirements, ..line up behind the "debt has no teeth" banner and vote for Barack Obama.

But when our 'interest-on-our-debt' payment does climb to 60% of our GDP (..and then continues up!) and those government checks start getting 'held-up-in-the-mail' ..Hah! ..you'll all join the rest of us out here in the cold knocking on doors for 6 bucks an hour!

Hah! .."John? ..Meet your grandchild!!!"

Gelles  02/28/2012 06:50 PM Report

Tabs ~

Think of debt and think of physical destruction. Debt can be cast off by law in bankruptcy or reorganization and negotiation. In other words, debt today is like debt for debtors prison. It has no teeth beyond your head and pen.

Destruction of Confederate, German and Japanese assets was real. Recovery was harder than giving debt a haircut.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/28/2012 06:43 PM Report

Huntsman’s Mormon mission took him to Taiwan, where he acquired language skills useful in expansion of his Dad's business into China and useful to becoming the Ambassador to China.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52454_Page3.html#ixzz1nisDqg2E

Yes, I have also heard that the CIA likes returned Mormon Missionaries for their language skills and obedience to authority.

See Charlie, a religious mission leads to skills to become an Ambassador or a "Spook"--religion and politics once again!

Gelles  02/28/2012 06:42 PM Report

"Huntsman needs to find a different party, one that is not so fearful, one that seems to thrive on fear." -- copied from SharksWFL, below.

We may all need to find that party. Reminds me of discussion of Academy Awards: Cirque du Soleil thrives on fear. They put on one of the greatest shows on earth. Their attainment of PERFECTION in wired aerial flight is awe inspiring -- even though imagining yourself doing what they do will wet your pants.

tabs  02/28/2012 06:33 PM Report

Point of Correction for Mac and Rob:

Mr Bush was merely the bearer of the bad news in the fall of 08, as it was his responsibility as President. One can look at every President since Lyndon Johnson as being culpable. For not one of them has ever REINSTITUTED putting the SS tax revenues back into the SS Trust Fund, that was the original intent of the government in 35. In other words the American government since 1968 has been spending your retirement funds in order to keep the government running today. It is called an accounting gimmick of putting a debt into an accounts payable account called a "unfunded liability.".

President Carter got one thing right, and it fell on the deaf ears of the American people when he said, "Americans should put on a sweater." In other words Americans should practice a little prudence and tighten their belts.

"Spiritual Malaise" is a term used by people who are living in denial. For they think that all America needs is a little bit of positive thinking to return to the carefree days of prosperity and plenty. One calls those people who are worried REALISTS and one has 100,000,000,000,000 reasons why to back it up, not to mention all the European reasons as well.

Mr Cheney was only half right when he said, "Deficits and sic Debt does not matter." It is only true when no one is paying attention or keeping track of how much debt there is. For when one realizes the number, one begins to have second thoughts about taking a piece of paper that has little, diminishing or no value either in current terms nor future terms.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/28/2012 06:31 PM Report

Huntsman needs to go back to his teens, 15 to be exact.

Then more of America can relate to this high school dropout who got his GED because he loved music.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52454.html

Gelles  02/28/2012 06:31 PM Report

Forgot to mention: If you come down to the opinion that the Civil War and ABOLITION OF SLAVERY as its result were untimely and less than necessary, ( as REMant claims), you are more conservative than Lincoln "fans". True, Lincoln went to war to save the union and was not an abolitionist. But his "fans", like me, see ending slavery and saving the union as bound together too tightly to be separated.

It's a little like the idea today of separating "freedom of thought" from "the separation of church and state". It is obvious that we do not have ABSOLUTE separation of GOD from American law, belief and values: our money has that message printed on it. But, we do keep our Popes out of power for the most part.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/28/2012 06:20 PM Report

Huntsman's mother is Karen Haight Huntsman, daughter of LDS Church apostle David B. Haight.[4] His father is billionaire businessman and philanthropist Jon Huntsman, Sr. of the Huntsman Corporation.[5] Through his father, Huntsman, Jr. is the great-great-great-grandson of early LDS Church leader Parley P. Pratt.[6]

Charlie, perhaps a question on religion and politics to our man Huntsman?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/28/2012 06:18 PM Report

Obama made an excellent choice in Ambassador of China.

Huntsman made an excellent choice putting his country above his party.

Huntsman needs to find a different party, one that is not so fearful, one that seems to thrive on fear.

Gelles  02/28/2012 06:14 PM Report

"Now here's a potential candidate for a brokered convention, or secretary of state [for both parties -- Hillary is exhausted.]" -- quote of REMant's opening below.

"However, the greater problem turned out not to have been the slaves, but the abolitionists." -- quote of REMant's closing thought.

Gelles (me) thinks Huntsman ought to be Obama's Secretary of State. As to whom we need as president, in a perfect world, Colin Powell makes a lot of sense. He is a George Washington kind of person. Obama is too folksy -- and his economics is too pedestrian.

As to (1) the re-industrialization of America and (2)the potential for the "Singularity" (maximum automation of the thought -- when computer "brains" catch up to human brains in looking for solutions likely to further our chance for peace and prosperity: both of these objectives ought to carry some weight in the decision 2012 November election. But this not likely to happen because universal suffrage has arrived ahead of time. We all have to take a driving test. And, in my opinion, American car-driving is a great success. American elections are less successful than they need to be.

I will not be surprised if Charlie Rose holds a series of "helps" for his audience that will be the gold standard for global TV. CSPAN and our Sunday network shows (Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS) are OK. Rose is best today, IMO.

robertmit2  02/28/2012 05:43 PM Report

Just to clairfy my previous statement, the SPIRITUAL MALAISE that President Carter spoke of has nothing to do with Religion, per se, but more to do with Whitman's concept of a "Spiritual Democracy." Reagan's famously prosaic statement on the eve of his election, "I find no national malaise. I find nothing wrong with the American people." was a direct denial of Carters prophetic observation that has, particularly in the past dozen years, come to haunt the American people in just the the ways that Jon Huntsman so briefly illuminated in last evening's interview. When will the American people stop looking at spirituality strictly in terms of religion and recognize that individual spirituality--better explained in terms of psychological and psycho-cultural processes--lies at the foundation of the concept of a culture of democracy, of which the United States has, for two centuries, been a prime example to the world? Huntsman's comments about our degenerating position as a world leader on this issue--to stand as a beacon to the world in the development of the concept of Spiritual Democracy--may also be prophetic. Is it too late for America to revitalize this transcendental ideal?

robertmit2  02/28/2012 05:03 PM Report

Your interview last evening with Jon Huntsman was very revealing about the state of America at this time in our history. Mr. Huntsman's observations about the "fear" in America and about a government that lacks "vision" and a "purpose" that transcends the mundane and its ineffectualness in dealing with even the most fundamental problems was, for me, very reminiscent of President Jimmy Carter's 1979 "SPIRITUAL MALAISE" speech. Mr. Huntsman also implied that these problems have been going on for a long time.

I think that it might be useful to ask former President Carter onto the show to present his take on the current state of America in light of those remarks he made nearly 33 years ago. Everything Huntsman said seemed to point right in that direction, and I think that the "spiritual malaise" issue is one that should be pursued.

NeilMacCallister  02/28/2012 04:04 PM Report

Hah! ..REM lays his head down to "brokered convention", and then drifts off to 'wolves-by-the-ears'. Richard wants a joint, like Annie Hall. tabs blames GW, instead of the oncoming WB ("tax us rich more!") and BO ("C'mon, share that wealth!") Jeff thinks he is focusing on the "assets of our country" and "a clear vision for the future" by voting for Barack Obama again. How does he get THAT connection????

Mr. Huntsman? ..You took way too many "sips" from your water bottle on camera, you have withheld the common-folk "h" from your name, and you insulted Mr. Cain on camera by saying, "9-9-9??? ..I thought you were ordering a pizza!!"

Your so pressed shirts and smarthy demeanor threw you right in with the Orrin Hatch crowd as far as I was concerned. What good has he ever done us???

Is Pat Paulson still available???

JeffRobinson  02/28/2012 01:49 PM Report

Thank you Mr Huntsman for your measured and optimistic tone. You are absolutely right to focus on the assets of our country and underlining the importance of a clear vision for the future. There has been way too much vitriol for me to ever consider voting Republican. I commend you for not signing those stupid pacts and throwing out the red meat. The Republican party is a terrible reflection of the fear and pessimism of the last 10 years. The Karl Rove politics of divisiveness, and psychological warfare will continue to deteriorate the party, and completely alienate young intelligent voters. I hope whoever is elected, they will put you in an important role for our country.

tabs  02/28/2012 12:55 PM Report

Did you hear him say it Mr Rose? Did you hear him utter those words? "A COUPLA BUCKS." Two dollars in Mr Huntsman mind is an inconsequential amount of money, meaningless. Yet for those 100's of millions of Chinese who work for 2 dollars a day it is every thing. Does one now understand why Mr Huntsman could never gain traction? Mr Huntsman is a Patrician, who never had an original thought in his life, for everything that he said about China was a reiteration of something that had previously been stated about China at one time or another on your show.

Now Mr Huntsman does gain credibility when he says that he saw "fear" on the faces of Americans. He does get that much at least, yet the conversation went to, America in "decline," that Americans are in a "funk" or "have lost their mojo" and that America is a grand place that is full of innovation and opportunity with the greatest colleges and universities in the world. Yet does Mr Huntsman know the moment and understand the underlying reasons why Americans "feel fear?" That moment came on September 24,2008. Which was the moment that President GW Bush came on TV and said that the American Financial system was in "crisis" and was going to meltdown if the TARP was not passed. That moment ended the illusion of American invincibility and exceptional-ism, for how could it have come to this? It was at that momentt that Americans realized that the political and economic leardership that they thought was competently taking care of business had in fact been cooking the books for decades. That the reality of the situation is that America was not a rich nation that could afford it all without consequence. That their future was now in doubt, they they had in fact LOST PARADISE and now had to worry about what to do next.

Richard_DeBiase  02/28/2012 12:07 PM Report

Dear Gov. Huntsman,

In this interview you said we have "the rule of law"; I could not disagree more. I hope you will spend a good portion of your newfound free time taking a long and hard look at our incredibly corrupt criminal justice system. The Chinese should be lecturing us on human rights.

We imprison a greater percentage of our population than any country in the world. We seem to revel in how dangerous our prisons are; as though being tortured or raped is a legitimate form of punishment. Whether you go to prison or not, is primarily a function of how rich you are. We have degenerated into a mindset of "when in doubt, throw them in prison" (we should have kept the presumption of innocence). We have "hanging judges", mandatory minimum sentences, and judges withholding important evidence from juries. At every level, our criminal justice system is operated on a for-profit basis.

And of course, we have the completely fabricated Drug War. Drug use was not a problem before the Drug War, and drug use will stop being a problem if we ever end the Drug War. Heroin, crack and meth are products of the Drug War. And of course the police are completely lying about marijuana; if you ever try marijuana yourself, you will be shocked that it is illegal. This unnecessary Drug War is not only destroying American civil society, we are also destroying whole countries like Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. And this is all being done so that the police and Drug War bureaucracies can fear monger the public into justifying their budgets.

I don't think I'm alone in my opinion of "the rule of law" in this country.

Sincerely,

REMant  02/28/2012 11:14 AM Report

Now here's a potential candidate for a brokered convention, or secretary of state. I suppose no one wants to back an unlikely winner, but it doesn't say much for their convictions. A good part of the discussion about China aired previously. I thought tho he was going to say coming from a country where there's no such thing as a free lunch, to one where everyone believes there is. Alas, not, and I can't agree with the exceptionalist bent. I'll give you we've been an entrepot in the 20th c, and an object of speculation in the 19th. But I don't think we've got the talent, the education, or the science and technology, and I don't think we've ever have had. I think we ARE very good at making things up. But few candidates are going to tell Americans the truth. The fact that so many others still want to come here doesn't say anything about their character, either. But it does say a lot about the assumptions of those making this claim. Yet, what difference does it all make? You can't lead other ppl's lives for them. They can't all live here. And you can't kill or imprison them. It is reminiscent of Jefferson's borrowing of Suetonius' phrase to characterize the slave problem as having the wolf by the ears: "But, as it is, we have the wolf by the ears, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other." However, the greater problem turned out not to have been the slaves, but the abolitionists.