Charlie Rose

Gelles  02/19/2012 09:06 AM Report

The YOU Tube clip evidenced political controversy that may argue in favor of the Bloomberg-Kelly team that now polices NYC. Opposition to the B-K team by fair investigators from the press or politics were not found by me 3000 miles west of what's happening. The comment of MS below, that Kelly is not the best commissioner NY ever had is not credible. Does anyone in NYC know of a reliable negative opinion in this matter? Please post.

MatthewSwaye  02/18/2012 08:13 PM Report

Full disclosure: Ray Kelly is a warmonger and a businessman.

He's turned our neighborhoods into open air prison camps.

*Raw Footage* NYPD Arresting Elders in Harlem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S_Q4KumJNE

Richard_DeBiase  02/15/2012 04:47 PM Report

Dear EthicalHumanist @ 02/14/2012 07:10 PM:

It sounds like we can be friends. As long as you don't feel the need to send the police to enforce your opinion of how I should run my life.

I like your idea of me staying home under the influence; you should suggest that to Commissioner Kelly. Unfortunately, if the police find marijuana in my house, they will try to confiscate my house through asset forfeiture; that's why everyone prefers to go out driving with their marijuana.

Best regards,

Gelles  02/15/2012 06:27 AM Report

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Gelles  02/15/2012 06:04 AM Report

In an era when the business and financial systems that surround us have been the source of unemployment, poverty, pollution and violence, it is a profound relief to know that Ray Kelly, New York City Police Commissioner, is an example of the best of public servants doing his best -- and making NYC every day among the best policed cities in America.

I emphasize every day because crime, murder, and terrorism, are daily happenings that change your life forever. And Kelly's whole career is exposed to human hell and evil every minute and every day of his current life. He is good at what he does and we are so lucky to have him as the brain behind the force we, the people, have hired to police us all. He is 70. He must soon retire. His successor will be younger -- and will have a still tougher job, as this current global turmoil proceeds toward new systems of law and order with not enough money and not as many jobs and "working parts" as we must have: every day there are more people and far too many unresolved issues over supply, demand, governance and global prospects.

Tonight, on Charlie Rose, Huntsman, Kissinger and Robert Kagan spoke to Chinese issues and the macro-political problems that Ray Kelly addresses at the micro level of America's greatest metropolis. Kelly's job and problems are far too real for comment here to face with the requisite confidence -- that is Kelly's stock in trade. But, at macro level, it seemed to me that Robert Kagan, Jon Huntsman, and Henry Kissinger, were on a par with and just as well informed, as Commissioner Kelly.

We are the policeman of the world, or -- if not, there is none.

I grew up between the wars of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945. I was born in 1925. At 17 I joined the Navy. After 3 years, 2 months and 2 days I re-joined my family in NYC. NY State and the USA took me back and let me vote in 1946 after I turned 21.

Today, it is as though nothing at all has happened in the macro world of business and finance. They are SNAFU and FUBAR, almost as never before, yet Kelly and Bloomberg, Huntsman, Rose, Kissinger and Kagan leave me confident there is light at the end of this tunnel.

Kagan, especially, reinforced my appreciation of the strategic need presently being served by our Navy and our nation. Th monetary cost of this necessity, however, cannot be met without reforms that will produce the physical assets the Navy needs and the people of NYC and their neighbors everywhere need to live and prevail over scarcities and the relatively few evil ignorant people not yet touched by grace and goodness.

Huntsman brought up the Internet, the very place where we assemble. He saw it in a positive light here and in China where the largest user nets and assembly plants are now or soon will be.

Kelly mentioned the thousands of computers supporting the NYPD. The US Air Force is ordering 18,000 new tablets to hold the information it heretofore kept on paper. Multiply these by a very large number and we see a beginning for marriage of artificial intelligence to our own to form the partnerships that will turn the optimism of these Charlie Rose interviews into the substance of a virtuous (obedient to the Golden Rule), practical, new world -- pursuing the more tranquil and perfect union, general welfare, liberty and fairness America was built to leave to every generation willing to want the same.

EthicalHumanist  02/14/2012 07:10 PM Report

@Richard_DeBiase

The best way to end the drug war and destroy the drug cartels and save innocent lives is to stay away from drugs. If you need a drug to be "happy", then perhaps you should examine your life and see what is missing in your life.

Good luck and if you are under the influence of a drug, please stay home.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/14/2012 06:08 PM Report

You can measure crime rates but can you measure freedom lost?

3,000 cameras watching you New Yorkers, $100,000 police officers stopping you and frisking you and pepper spraying you when you protest.

The financial cost is very high but the lower crime rate cost how much freedom?

I pray New York you are as free as you were on September 10, 2001.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/14/2012 06:01 PM Report

Charlie,

Ray says you have metrics in your business. I cannot find any ratings at all nor can several Reference Librarians.

Is that part of the deal--you sell programming to PBS for a dollar a year and they leave you alone.

So when you agreed with Ray about the metrics that measure you was that donations and fund raising?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/14/2012 05:53 PM Report

Yes, but the cost . . .

"Kelly has built something else that most New Yorkers never see. It is nearly impossible now to walk a block in lower Manhattan without being on television. There are 2,000 cameras, and soon there will be 3,000 - all of which feed into this control center housed in a secret location.

Jessica Tisch: Nobody has a system like this.

Jessica Tisch helps run this $150 million surveillance system that monitors the cameras and all those radiation detectors. A powerful computer, using artificial intelligence actually watches all of the cameras at once and it knows if a package has been left in one place too long."

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-20111059.html?pageNum=2&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Terrorism is about leverage. Spend a thousand and get a hundred million dollar reaction.

So who has won again?

Richard_DeBiase  02/14/2012 11:32 AM Report

Dear Commissioner Kelly,

If you really want to reduce crime, the best thing you can do is end the Drug War. The vast majority of illegal drug users are otherwise law-abiding citizens. And of course, legalization would quickly put illegal drug dealers out of business. Heroin, crack and meth are products of the Drug War; they would not be successful products in a legal market. Drug use was not a significant problem before the Drug War, and it won't be a significant problem after the Drug War is over.

If someone is an otherwise law-abiding citizen, they will definitely become a criminal by the time the criminal justice system is done with them.

Most importantly, you have to advocate legalizing marijuana. Marijuana is great, and too many Americans know it, and they are spreading the word. If marijuana is a gateway drug, then it is only because when anyone tries marijuana their reaction is: "I wonder what else the cops and the teachers in the preachers are lying about".

Sincerely,