Charlie Rose

selfservant  02/07/2012 07:42 AM Report

some time as a third world country is just what we need in the united states

machngunjoe  02/01/2012 01:50 PM Report

at 36:04 is so classic when Charlie asks Donilon, "do you know what happened?" And that pause he gives...wow

Ricardo_Amaral  01/30/2012 11:14 PM Report

Please check the videos on this web site:

The United States is planning to attack Iran with Nuclear Weapons

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3432273#post3432273

...January 30, 2012

SouthAmerica: Here is another episode of the hit TV comedy series “Israel and the USA are going to attack Iran...”

This is actually a very sad episode that shows how pathetic the United States is becoming, and that just help to reinforce and speed up its fast declining prestige and influence around the world.

On this episode the “Jewish Lobby” say that Mossad is going to assassinate the president of the United States if he does not destroy Iran....

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Ellen_Dibble  01/29/2012 08:05 PM Report

I thought a comment I wrote last Friday was kept out because it was too long, but maybe I just don't know how to hit enter. After watching Leon Panetta talking to Scott Pelley on CBS's 60 Minutes just now, my brain still says, This Does Not Compute. Donilon was depicting Iran as the troublemaker in the region, fomenting unrest. Maybe this is bullying; maybe it is a strategy of softening things up. I didn't hear a reason. I heard statistics from Zagby (however that is spelled) that Iran's popularity in the Arab world has gone from about 70 percent in about 2007 to single digits or 10 percent in the last year. It would seem that the Arab Spring, if this is the unstability that was hoped for, is not falling out to the benefit of Iran. For me, the question is, for the people of Iran, those presumably struggling under sanctions, and probably blaming the United States rather than their leaders, to the extent propaganda can effectuate that, is a belligerent stance, a militaristic and tyrannical stance, something that is ego-syntonic? Is this the way Iranians like to see themselves? What would it take to steel that attitude, to anneal it into an armed and cornered nation, administration at bay, to get crazy? The extraordinary carefulness of Donilon suggests otherwise, but there are things out of control in the region, like the murder of the physicist a few weeks ago, which we get blamed for even while denying any role in it. Somehow we are in a situation where we are out of control. The defense industry must be thinking how much more of our income can they tax out of us, first for one war, then for the financial colossus that couldn't control itself, and now for elements of our alliances in the region that we can't control. "My brother made me do it." The dog ate my homework.

DDD  01/29/2012 09:58 AM Report

Charlie

( The revolution will come and your Arabic government will fall )

2009 the revolution came and now his Arabic goverment in falling

Ricardo_Amaral  01/29/2012 06:31 AM Report

Dear Gelles,

The USA/Israel/Iranian crisis is only a "Wag the Dog" strategy to take the attention away from the real crisis: a collapsing global economic and financial system based on the US dollar.

Watch these videos:

My question is: What is going on????????

*Breaking News* Martial Law Training in LA!!! - January 27, 2012

http://youtu.be/0fXNd41rmDI

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The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232396&perpage=6&pagenumber=2

If the American Military Coup of 2012 becomes a reality in the United States as Major General Charles J. Dunlap Jr. suggested on his essay, then I hope this general will be in charge.

Biography: Anthony Charles Zinni

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Zinni

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Gelles  01/29/2012 01:51 AM Report

The overriding issue in "testimony" before this Charlie Rose audience (and CSPAN and other TV audiences) of the National Security Advisor (Tom Donilon -- who has no military experience),the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Four Star General Martin Dempsey) and Defense Secretaries Robert Gates and Leon Panetta, is their silence on the favorable effect of very high defense budgets on the American economy, our standard of living, full employment, economic rights, and our ability to promote peace and global stability through preparedness.

This silence is appropriate to a point. The President has the responsibility to inform the people of these facts first. But, these key members of the national security team should find a modest way of advising the public of the many benefits in the realm of political economy that we may expect from paying for peace through strength.

In particular, having fought on the cheap and experienced casualties on that account for the two terms of President Bush, and to a lesser degree done the same under the current administration, the idea of spending less today and tomorrow than our situation requires should be a non-starter.

If I were Charlie Rose I would have raised this issue with these men. Keynes' ideas won the war, Hayek watched and fretted -- focused on totalitarian evil and ignorance not on democratic economic imperatives.

America has 2 million men in prison. If we spent the money necessary to prevent war and poverty, we would be able to minimize criminality with ankle bracelets and low fines for misconduct. Our democratic institutions are failing because we have abandoned the economic tools of WW II at times when they have been most needed -- and especially after the Cold War with the USSR was at an end.

ShalomFreedman  01/28/2012 02:50 PM Report

President Obama should make Mr. Donilon his campaign manager. What a smooth presentation in support of the President.

The big questions regarding the decline of American power in the world are not addressed.

There is little said about the whole anti- American Islamist turn the Middle East is taking. The optimistic take on elections in Egypt ignores the fact that the forces coming into power are largely anti- American.

Mr. Donilon is an optimist. I hope he is correct in regard to his claiming that Iran will not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapon.

Ricardo_Amaral  01/28/2012 01:48 PM Report

I just posted this information regarding Greece and Iran in various web sites:

Greece Economic Meltdown

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=4f5a378805c552f1148e0adfef201d7e&threadid=228135&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=2

...January 28, 2012

SouthAmerica: We have been discussing the coming Greece's debt default for more than 2 years, and I have no idea why the Greeks have not defaulted as yet on their Greek government debt?

The Greek economy has been devastated, and it's imploding by the minute into a black hole, and Greece's government still does not have the balls to give the final check mate against the bankers.

Today when I saw the big headline on the front page of the Financial Times “Call for EU to control Greek budget” after reading the article I realized that the banksters want to enslave the Greek people and destroy their country.

Under the latest German plan: Germany is proposing that Greece temporarily cede sovereignty over tax and spending decisions to a powerful Eurozone budget commissioner before it can secure any further bailouts.

The article also said: “Athens would also have to adopt a law permanently committing state revenues to debt service “first and foremost.”

The banksters have reached their maximum level of arrogance and and complete lack of any common sense.

The time for the Greek government to default on its debt is ASAP (yesterday) and since the default is becoming a reality then Greece should default on 100 percent of the Greek government debt – the consequences for the Greek people of a 50 percent or 100 percent debt default it would be the same.

It makes more sense for the Greek government to default on 100 percent of its debt, and try to restart their economic and financial system the best way they can from that point.

And Greece should continue to be a member of the euro system after the 100 percent debt default, since that would be a better strategy than going back to the old Greek currency.

If I was in charge of the Greek government I would go one step further and I would get in contact with the government of Iran and say to them that Greece would not honor the sanctions that old Europe has adopted against Iran. And Greece it would be open for doing business with Iran regarding just about anything.

The complete crash of the Greek economy is already a reality, and this new strategy it would be the first step in trying to move the Greek economy forward to the world of the 21st century.

The time to play games is over, and it is time for the Greek government to give a final check mate against the banksters, and move the Greek economy into the future.

If the Greek government don't take immediate actions as I described above, then the Greek people deserve to become just a slave of the banksters and of the eurozone masters who don't give a shit about anything that is going on in Greece.

The sanctions against Iranian oil shows that the eurozone masters are a bunch of fools and nothing else, and they are disregarding the obvious massive negative consequences to the crumbling economies of various countries in the eurozone.

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The US dollar and the biggest default in history

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2729725&highlight=Greece+default#post2729725

...February 12, 2010

SouthAmerica: As the US dollar moves right on schedule to achieve the biggest default in world history…In the meantime the world financial markets waste time with irrelevant and immaterial events.

Maybe Greece is just the canary in the coalmine, and the United States economy and the US dollar are the main event.

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Greece Economic Meltdown

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228135&perpage=6&highlight=greece%20default& pagenumber=2

...October 3, 2011

SouthAmerica: I have no idea what the Greeks are waiting for to default on their debt, and finally move forward into the future.

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Gelles  01/28/2012 12:25 PM Report

Dear Ricardo_Amaral ~

You may think there is a substitute for American leadership in this century. There is not. Communism has morphed into state capitalism. Capitalism is morphing into functionally financed economic democracy. Soon output based money (Keynesian) will accommodate supply of all our pressing needs and money-demand for all this world's supply.

It will not be smoke and mirrors. It will be info-nano-bio tech revolutions and solutions. Hold your forecasts in abeyance; don't bet the farm on them.

DDD  01/28/2012 11:31 AM Report

Charlie

( The revolution will come and your Arabic government will fall )

Ricardo_Amaral  01/28/2012 10:10 AM Report

Sorry I forgot to give the link to the article at Brazzil magazine when I said on my prior posting the following:

“Regarding the United States as a military superpower, Mr. Tom Donilon and his friends at the National Security Council, can have a reality check by reading the current comments following the article published at Brazzil magazine.”

Here is the link to that article and very interesting comments following the article regarding the United States as a military superpower, and the death of another world empire.

A Reality Check in a Nutshell:

Brazzil Magazine – January 23, 2012

How Brazil is Getting Ready to Crush an Expected US Invasion of the Amazon

http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/241-january-2012/10550-how-brazil-is-getting-ready-t o-crush-an-expected-us-invasion-of-the-amazon.html#comments

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Ricardo_Amaral  01/28/2012 09:48 AM Report

Now Mr. Tom Donilon, here is a reality check for National Security Council and the US government in general regarding Iran:

As you can read on this thread at the Elite Trader Forum we have been laughing about the USA/Israel/Iran crisis for many years. It has become a laughing matter at ET and we understand the real reason behind this created crisis.

When you read this information, please keep in mind that this thread has been going on for the last 6 years and that we went from a transformation from taking that subject seriously and over the years that subject turned into just a comedy series and a joke.

But I understand that this subject still have some legs and serve as a good “Wag the Dog” strategy.

You and the other members of the National Security Council and also from other areas of the US government should read all this material and you guys might realize how pathetic the United States has become into the eyes of the rest of the world regarding its policies about Iran.

Then you guys wonder why the United States is losing all its prestige around the world and it's becoming irrelevant at the speed of light.

What I am trying to bring to your attention is that basically you have to be an idiot to follow American policy around the world and the United States government has the track record to show to the world how “the lights are on, but there's nobody home” regarding Washington and its economic and foreign policies. US economic and foreign policies have been a disaster not only for Americans, but also to countries around the world: the US leaves behind a waste land in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, a collapsing Middle East, a collapsing Europe, but many South American countries have learned their lessons the hard way about following Washington policies in Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, and so on.

The economic success that Brazil is enjoying today has more to do with China than the United States. Since 2009 Brazil's main trading partner has been China. And the Brazilian miracle of lifting over 30 million people out of complete poverty in Brazil in the last 9 years is all connected with economic connection between Brazil and China.

We are not naïve, and we remind our members on Brazzil magazine, the Elite Trader forum, Facebook, and even here in the comments section of the Charlie Rose Show that the articles and the comments following the articles are being monitored by many governments including the various agencies of the US government, and we can tell by some postings that there are government people participating on these comments trying to spin the discussions or trying them to look silly to discourage serious people from reading and participating on the debates in an intelligent way.

Anyway, the reality is: it does not matter what desperate government actions are taken to try to suppress “Free Speech” and try to intimidate the few voices that still are out there trying to connect the dots and bring the new realities of the new world of the 21st century to the global audience.

The truth is: it does not make any difference because the house of cards is collapsing and there's nothing that can be done about it other than buying a little more time before the entire system comes down crashing – it is the accumulated economic and political actions of 100 years that is reaching the meltdown point, and the end of another major chapter of world history.

There's nothing you people can do to change the past to avoid what is in the pipeline and is spinning completely out of control.

But it's fun to watch the train wreck developing, and the desperate efforts being taken to avoid the massive economic and financial meltdown that is around the corner and the chain reaction can be sparked at any time by any event that will surprise everybody.

The United States is planning to attack Iran with Nuclear Weapons

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67053&perpage=6&pagenumber=60

...January 25, 2012

SouthAmerica: Here is another episode of the hit TV comedy series “Israel and the USA are going to attack Iran...”

As usual the Iranians will laugh one more time all the way to the bank, but this time around with a ton of GOLD!!!!!!

Moral of the story:

US dollar out!!!!! Obsolete, worthless, getting out of fashion faster than the BlackBerry.

Gold is in as the main currency for payment of commodities in the world markets.

I hope that you also will have some good laughs after you watch these videos.

I am not kidding, we actually have bigger fools around the world than the mainstream media gives credit to them, but that is the reality.

All we can do is laugh of old Europe and old USA – what a bunch of fools.

And most of these fools are supposed to have a brain to think.

...Note: Just keep in mind as you play along with these pathetic people - the USA/Israel/Iranian crisis is only a "Wag the Dog" strategy to take attention away from the real crisis: a collapsing global economic and financial system based on the US dollar.

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Ricardo_Amaral  01/28/2012 09:47 AM Report

I understand that Tom Donilon, National Security Advisor, has to come to the Charlie Rose Show and do his part. It is possible that he even believe in some of the stuff that he talked about.

But the reality of the world in the 21st century (in 2012 and beyond) regarding what is happening around the world and what Americans think is happening it is like night and day. Americans seem to be clueless about the new real reality of the world in the 21st century and how fast the US empire is crumbling.

The only reason the United States has not had a final meltdown just like the Soviet Union had about 20 years ago...it is because the US dollar still is the main reserve foreign currency in the current international monetary system.

But the current international monetary system based on the US dollar is in life support and with every passing day is reaching the end of the line – since it does not make sense any more based on economic activity around the world, and the shape of the US economy in 2012 and in the coming years to justify for the US dollar to continue to be the main foreign reserve currency and have that “special status” of being the main reserve currency.

For all practical purposes the US dollar has passed its usefulness as the main reserve currency, and the current international monetary system based on the US dollar is exporting economic havoc around the world.

The world needs to come up ASAP with a new international monetary system that is compatible with the world of the 21st century.

Regarding the United States as a military superpower, Mr. Tom Donilon and his friends at the National Security Council, can have a reality check by reading the current comments following the article published at Brazzil magazine.

About 45 percent of the readers of Brazzil magazine are from China, and we can see a correlation between what has been said in many of my articles and comments following the articles, and the concrete measures and actions taken by the Chinese regarding its investments in Brazil.

You can see the link to some of these articles at: http://brazzilnews.blogspot.com/

Here is one of my blogs about Brazil and China:

Brazil and China

http://brazilandchina.blogspot.com/

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You also would enjoy reading the following:

The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=af02dd4175f4ab44314ee0e058494c16&threadid=232396&perpa ge=6&pagenumber=1

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Central Banks and the US Dollar

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81958&perpage=6&pagenumber=92

...January 8, 2012

SouthAmerica: Since January 1, 2012 the United States has become officially a "police state."

This event will have a massive financial and economic impact in the US economy in 2012 and future years.

That's the end of the United States as the country that people knew for over 200 years.

Similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union and its transition to the new Russia that we have today - The old United States will go through a period of transition to its new form as a new country. but I have no idea how this new country works since it seems to me that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is being voided almost overnight - Under the new system I have no idea what kind of laws apply to the United States and its citizens.

To take such a drastic action against the US Constitution and Bill of Rights - the only way I can understand these actions is because the US government is reacting and is in total Panic about the implosion that is underway of the US financial and economic system.

Since the old United States does not exist anymore, I wonder what is ahead of us and how this new economic and social system is supposed to work?

Now that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights no longer protect the American citizens, common sense tells me that their assets also is no longer protect by the law.

The big question for most Americans is: what kind of window most Americans have to move their assets out of the United States, before they confiscate your assets?

But again, with such a turmoil around the world, where your assets are secure?

I had no idea that 2011 was the last year of the old United States, and that on January 1, 2012 we would have a new America under a new set of rules.

I wonder who is in charge and who makes the decisions for now on....?

I am sorry to see the sudden death of the "US Constitution and Bill of Rights" - I thought Americans would do anything to preserve and keep alive such a great document that represents the soul of the United States.

By the way, this drastic change in the rules of the United States has an astronomical implication regarding the US dollar.

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Note: On the Elite Trader Forum my screen name is: SouthAmerica.

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Gelles  01/28/2012 02:31 AM Report

Our military experts ought to remind us all that is was military spending that broke the back of the GREAT DEPRESSION. Nothing else was capable of that. It is true that war prevention can cost enough to do the same. Especially when it is joined by poverty prevention as the purpose of our monetary system of production.

Gelles  01/28/2012 02:22 AM Report

Corrections:

... "money deficits and surpluses have NO real value:..."

... "to raise civilian standards and goals to A tipping point ..."

... "(which is THE non-slavery motivational force that powers all nations and makes real democracy possible."

http://www.outputbasedmoney.info/.crs.htm

Gelles  01/28/2012 02:05 AM Report

This interview with the National Security Advisor to the Commander in Chief, responsible for our safety and even our democracy and political and economic rights (but not for their present woeful inadequacy -- for which we blame our history not ourselves), was a classic to be preserved. It detailed the Obama Process not the Obama Doctrine.

The Obama Doctrine is, in my view, not yet known. But the process is modern, reasoned, disciplined and accomplished. It meets events with wise and brave decision and more luck than anyone has a right to enjoy.

The doctrine is schizophrenic: it accepts a budget system that has no real measurable purpose. Real measures account for houses, food, health care, living standards, security, safety, morality and good conduct, etc. Nominal money deficits and surpluses have not real value: a surplus removes debt needed for debt-based money. A deficit scares nations away from debt-free money. People need more money whose value measures what it can buy. For as long as they fear over-production, their primary need is for more money.

What the Commander in Chief and his National Security team have not admitted to themselves is that our "right-size" forces will raise industrial output, employment, and capacity to raise civilian standards and goals to tipping point where the supply and demand for THINGS (to prevent war and industrial decline) is in reasonable balance with the the supply and demand for money (which is non-slavery motivational force that powers all nations and makes real democracy possible.

OBSERVER  01/28/2012 12:45 AM Report

Very Dear Mr. Tom Donilon,

You keep mentioning Iranians Iranians and express Pride

in hurting them via Sanctions after sanctions after

sanctions!!! IRANIANS ADORE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

AT LEAST UNTIL NOW!!

VERY DEAR MR. TOM DONILON,

YOU NEED TO REGISTER IN A COURSE AT J.H. UNIVERSITY?

OFFERED BY Dr. Brzezinski.

ALL THE VERY BEST, GOOD LUCK!

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12103

tabs  01/27/2012 08:44 PM Report

Mr Tom "Sawyer" Donillon has missed his true calling and or has a great future in PR as evidenced by his WHITEWASH in this interview of the Obama admins foreign policy "efforts." From this interview Mr Donillon makes it seem that President Obama is not channeling Lincoln anymore but Alexander, Caesar and Napoleon.

Now lets get this straight, President Obama's "FP and NS "TEAM" present an "organized" presentation where all the options and ramifications have been sifted and thought through. President Obama then asks a number of pertinent questions to satisfy his intellectual psyche. Then what? He signs off on the plan or makes minor adjustments as he sees fit?

The other notable thing is how much information was redacted by "no comment" by Mr Donillon. This interview was so much official boiler plate only to be outdone by the Russian Ambassadors capacity for boiler plate. One could get as much information or more from the NY Times or Washington Post as from Mr Donillon.

One comment about President Ahmadinejad comments about wanting to talk about it. President Ahmad. is only an ADMINISTRATOR and has no decision making authority. This is a further effort at distraction by the Iranians. Thus one is only spinning their wheels once again by talking to Ahmad.or Iranian government officials. One needs to go to those who wields REAL POWER in Iran and that is the Supreme Leader or his Advisers. Then one would be getting somewhere. It seems that American Bureaucrats aways fall into the same trap of thinking that power lies in the hierarchial structure.

REMant  01/27/2012 11:47 AM Report

But just how many millions did this particular conceit, escapade, or grandstand, cost the American taxpayers? For that matter, how much for showing the jumbo jet in places like Iowa, Nevada, and Arizona?

The "appropriate leadership position in Asia"; the "dominant power in the Pacific?" Or rather war-mongering on a Bush scale? "Demand for US leadership," or fear of their own ppl? Sure everyone would like to keep on the right side of Uncle Sam while helping to intimidate their oppositions.

Our "alliance system" effective? Gimme a break. It's been virtually non-existent. SEATO and CENTO are long gone. In Asia replaced by an indigenous one in protest over Vietnam. No one in NATO has wanted to serve anywhere except their backyards, and then only when their arms' have been twisted. It won't likely survive much longer, either.

The US, itself, is struggling to keep its head above water, and in so doing it's only weakening itself domestically and in the eyes of the rest of the world. It's big hope is to cling to this Chimerica thing. No other countries in the world, however, have seen greater income inequality in the past 50 yrs, than China and America. (The UK comes in 3rd). While it is true that much of the "compression" of inequality during the middle decades of the last century took place as a result of transfer payments and unionization, it is also true that it was a period when immigration was reduced to a trickle, and America faced few rivals. The plain fact is that this country is run like Tammany Hall and it has hardly known any other way. But is this "fairness?"

Libya illustrated the new American foreign policy well: replace the old set of unpopular autarchs with a newly-minted "democratic socialism" we can control, and of necessity profit from financially, while avoiding all imputations of responsibility. The newly installed govt there is still fighting rebels as we speak. We've done it before, in the decades after WWII when nationalist movements were subverted to prevent the collapse of European colonial powers. There's a real danger of the US losing control of govts in S Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia and elsewhere in Asia. Thus the saber-rattling there. The United States is in the same position as post-war Britain, whose opposition to fascism and Communism can't be said to have been as much principled as self-interested. But our problems are right here at home, not in the Middle East, in Iran, in Asia or anywhere else. A real balance of power is the only way to peace, and sound money the only way to a real balance of power.

A good manager may make decisions, but a good executive makes strategy. It's the strategy that's been missing. Besides that "The Presidency" has clearly gone to this president's head. The Arizona governor was quite right. She may have put her finger in his face, but he had his hand on her elbow. Shame Meryl Streep isn't black. Contra some of Mr Rose's CBS colleagues the office of the presidency has historically received every bit as little consideration as the persons occupying it, and rightly so, however much it might irritate Hamilton's heirs.

Why doesn't Charlie just ask the Democratic National Committee to fund his show and solve all his budget woes? I can't imagine anyone there who hates more ppl than Charlie does. Tho maybe that's why so few ppl watch this show.

And I wonder if Mr Donilon will join Ms Clinton in retirement?

Richard_DeBiase  01/27/2012 11:41 AM Report

Dear Mr. Donilon,

Is it really necessary to completely destroy Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador just to stop me from using marijuana? I'm really not that important.

Granted, the Drug War has provided many useful bogeymen, for many decades, for you in government to flimflam your taxpayer-funded salaries. But the real threat to the average American is not an Iranian nuclear weapon; it is you in government perpetuating the Drug War here at home.

Sincerely,