Charlie Rose

SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/06/2011 06:10 PM Report

These guys were kinda soft soaping George W. at the expense of Obama.

Perhaps they might remember back in February:

Former U.S. President George W. Bush has canceled a visit to Switzerland over fears he could have been arrested on torture charges.

Mr Bush was due to be the keynote speaker at a Jewish charity gala in Geneva on February 12.

But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354211/George-W-Bush-cancels-Switzerland-visit-fears-arrest- torture-charges.html

Guys, what was this nonsense about ice cream shops and Obama not leaving footprints behind?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/04/2011 05:15 PM Report

Jon, please don't throw back on Charlie.

Did not sound good for Charlie to speak frankly on this issue. (At least he didn't call anyone a d-ick. So thank you for that.)

Charlie should have laughed off the question and fired off his own question as is expected.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/04/2011 05:11 PM Report

"The President does not seem to enjoy his job."

To me that was a shocking statement Jon. I could believe WHY he might not enjoy his job. Anybody up against what he is up against would probably feel frustrated and grumpy.

However, this is not how I think of Obama. He is the one with the hope when others on this show have very little hope (David Brooks--the next ten years are going to be bad; Mary Gabriel--capitalism is a failure, etc.)

Obama keeps on keeping on when so, so many throw the country to the wind for their own ambition or their party's directive.

I love the haters but I also want to stop them.

Gelles  12/04/2011 05:01 AM Report

"Who they are. And, what its like." In and to the run for president.

Shalom heard these journalists "gossip" in their account of a crucial election before it's even started.

I do not see "gossip". I see early political junkie stories told at the time they surface. These guys talked of the "weaknesses" of candidates, not just their "issues", because "opposition research" is what is going on.

"Where is the next bimbo story?"

To put down these bums snarkily is not possible. We are put down in fact by an elective process that is too long and too focused away from solutions toward history. History includes gossipy stories because candidates are looking for trouble all the time when sexual fantasy clouds their mind -- and the problems we have in law and economics prove to be nearly insoluble.

There was real story-telling and nothing offensive today. But historical story telling, by Shakespeare or in out time, will not serve our interest if it is future solutions to intractable conditions is what we need.

In the third decade of the 20th Century this world went to hell. A man about whom there was much to gossip, named John Keynes, put his mind to AGGREGATE MONETIZED DEMAND.

The root of gossip has not changed -- and it never will. The root of supply and demand mismatches, in this age of hyper mass production, has not changed -- and it must.

Bernanke is willing to blanket the fires in Europe (left by anachronistic effects of debt) with tons of watered money -- and thank God he will. But there is water enough for people too SMALL to fail because DEMAND is as elastic as we make it for as long as SUPPLY (and/or inflation-protected savings) can cover it. Too much gossip never hurts a story. Too little common powers of observation allow legacy systems of debt and trade to snuff out lives of little people we chose to ignore.

I hope God sends to hell every one of us who let's another day go by without trying harder to save our neighbors from a legacy they never deserved. http://outputbasedmoney.info http://outputbasedmoney.info/.crs.htm

ShalomFreedman  12/04/2011 02:31 AM Report

Toward the end of this discussion Charlie Rose did something he rarely does, he led down his formal guard and became one of the old journalist backroom boys gossiping away. He joined then in the slightly contemptuous tone in which both Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and President Obama were snarkily put down. It turns out that President Obama is not according to the former Newsweek head Meacham ' a people person'. Gingrich was put down for being a total wacko- weirdo in some of his ideas. Perhaps there is truth in both these allegations. I don't know. But something about the smugness of tone of especially Evan Thomas and to a lesser degree Jon Meacham was offensive. As for the E-book I imagine the gist of it is in this conversation in which Mike Allen was the most informative.

If anyone would like to understand why public dislike of the media is great they might hone on 'the tone' of this discussion.

Gelles  12/03/2011 08:03 PM Report

What we need is more solutions not more evidence of the problem!

PBS has a generic request for input: this is what I sent in.

what do you like about pbs?? LIST OF SEGMENTS SENT

http://www.pbs.org/special/be-more/?utm_source=

AOL365&utm_medium=Editorial&utm_campaign=

BeMore&elq=54545635429f4c2faaed46d8e9a9366f&elqCampaignId=

Sat Sep 3, 4pm: IN REPLY TO "WHAT ABOUT PBS DO YOU LOVE?"

1. Charlie Rose

2. Need to Know

3. Your attempts to state problems

4. Your potential to gather input on solutions

I'm sending this in installments because sending often crashes.

I'll try to keep a copy of each segment. It would be an improvement if you always echoed back a copy to prove your receipt.

====================

SEGMENT 2 (FUTURE SEGMENTS WILL STAND ALONE)

1. Todays show on Need to Know tells the stories but asks for nothing but maybe future votes and donations.

2. Obviously trillions in public and private spending are needed to finance recovery from this recession-depression.

3. This is not an ad for my site -- but http://outputbasedmoney.info

will tell you where I'm coming from.

4. Need to Know fails to hint at any prompt solutions. It tells the problem. The solution requires money to be sent to victims, as we send it to big banks and employers. But the cost to know millions of addresses to the victims is prohibitive.

5. Yet we do know where free workers to help find such addresses (or other aspects of recovery) can be found: THEY ARE RETIRED MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE WHO WILL WORK FOR FREE TO IF ASKED TO VOLUNTEER IN AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY CORPS (remember the Peace Corps).

6. We now rely, liberals and conservatives, on the passage of years and decades to work down debt and rejuvenate animal spirits.

7. Keynes and followers know it takes NOT time but MONEY to repeat the financial plan we used from 7 Dec 1941 to the days that followed when specific production goals self-financed victory in war. The same would work for peace and potential war-prevention.

8. The volunteers you organized to help Bernanke and his President to turn the money fire hose on victims would work at home if it had with effective redundancies to allow low levels of security and extremely simple interfaces that any old codger would master in a minute.

KEEP IN TOUCH. We have the money. We have the industrial infrastructure. We are missing only a substitute for shopping to prime the pump of full employment.

Get to work. Work with Charlie Rose, Need to Know, PBS NewsHour, and all your shows. You already get some money donations. Try to get some free clerical labor donations dedicated to full employment capitalism for all in need -- helped to be realized by the millions now retired with enough money at the moment to be volunteers.

Part of your appeal might be that if this program works it would eventually help the volunteers and those they love.

winter  12/03/2011 05:51 PM Report

...back at us then we can only hope the trend reverses.

winter  12/03/2011 05:49 PM Report

As long as we're comparing Romney to popular culture characters how about Scooby Doo? If republicans stacked

the slate with candidates to serve as distractions from

serious policy reporting by the MSM then they've succeeded.

Our media dwell for way longer than is tolerable on garbage news then issues like say Ruperts fiasco just sort of disappears from the headlines. If in fact they're reflecting our collective IQ

Harryj  12/03/2011 01:53 PM Report

The Presidency= a never ending multiple choice exam, with an occasion power point sales presentation?

chawlynose  12/03/2011 08:10 AM Report

...Ronald Wilson Reagan - 6 6 6

is Romney the reincarnate of 'The Beast'?

Sent back, to finish the job of nuclear Armageddon.? could it be? .. a religious destiny! To be Fulfilled, by 'The Slick One'.?

or is Romney, a drug store truck driving man?, is he the head of the Ku Klux Klan? when summer comes rolling around, will we be able to get out of town?.???

chawlynose  12/03/2011 08:00 AM Report

It's almost eerie how the 'criticisms' of Romney at this stage of the game are almost exactly the same 'criticisms' (word for word) spewed at Ronald Reagan.

tabs  12/02/2011 05:59 PM Report

The information that was diseminated from this interview was interesting, but it really didn't add anything new to the equation. The following is an E-mail to Hannity on 3/3/11.

Romney Robot

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:26 — tabs

"Mitt Romney has less personality and character than Robbie the Robot on the 1960's television program Lost In Space. What Romney Robot is, is a slick opportunist whose only core value is his ambition to be President of the United States. The only question is would he sell his Mother to be President or would he just stop at the wife and kids."

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Has anyone ever looked at Mitt Romneys eyes when he is talking, he blinks but there is a static stare quality in his eyes as well as there being a lack of facial expression and emotion in his voice. Beyond the Robotic demeanor one can also compaew him to a Stepford person where everything seems perfect in a Ralph Lauren Polo world of not a hair out of place and a smile always on the face.

trlnal  12/02/2011 05:45 PM Report

One of the speakers mentioned President Obama's light foot print when on vacation and not really being out and about like Clinton. I wonder how much of that is a safety issue. I think it takes a great deal of care for others not to inconvenience them for your needs. Perhaps this is the issue that keeps him somewhat cut-off from the people. Perhaps being cut-off from the people is the unhappiness that they sense. I think this needs to be further investigated.

winter  12/02/2011 03:26 PM Report

Newt will be a formidable debate opponent for Obama. That debate or those debates will be epic. The rest of the slate are now inconsequential, if they shouldn't always have been, and are now using up their last best desperate offerings ...by their fingernails. Whether you agree with his positions or not is beside the point, you have to grant him his command of his beliefs and they won't easily be upended by any counterings. Obama will pretty much have to defend Kenysianism on the belief that the only way to stimulate demand again is to introduce it via public works ...that by the way are needed anyway. The economic cycle won't be stimulated by adding more inventory to shelves or adding more bonuses to administration salaries. You can have a certain species of Freedom or a Civilization guided by a holistic approach.

Its become apparant lately that Newts handlers have suggested to him that he has to soften it up. The child janitor and immigration offerings enter that point into the evidence. He's demonstrating a possibility for altering his hard line personality and flip flopping has come to politicians the way it does to a fish out of water. With it he may be able to attract a critical mass of independent voters since the anti Obama rhetoric has infected a large enough bit of the impatient.

Again, the debates will be epic. Ali / Frazier. These two personalities in this environment ...the two most articulate representitives of their respective parties beliefs outlining progressivism vs conservativist approaches to governing a people. Quite the watershed event.

And I almost forgot to mention the level of bile Newts attacked Obama with during his tenure. How can that be forgotten so easily with a handshake?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/02/2011 02:59 PM Report

Charlie your guests missed a very, very important comment point.

The Mormon Church has a President. This president is a living prophet. The living prophet talks to God and gets important messages (no more plural marriage, blacks are NOT cursed after all). So the Prophet/President calls Mitt and says I got word from God and you should . . .

Not going to fly guys. The South (really the Baptists) will have NONE of it. "Mormons are cult members and not Christians"--this is not just Perry's Pastor, it is Sunday morning Baptist preachers. (Hey even I have heard a sermon from a "reformed" Mormon about his wayward life.)

Funny thing, the one who makes sense--Jon Huntsman--is also a Mormon. (Ron Paul is too radical in his reforms.)

We will see who Americans Elect can deliver.

REMant  12/02/2011 12:01 PM Report

Romney appears false from his hair to the crease in his pants, along with a lot of Mormons. And I think the latter is really the rub. No one who has any knowledge of them really likes Mormons, not even the choir. In the Maryland suburbs where they built their own version of a national cathedral it caused an uproar in the early '70s and I'm sure that attitude hasn't materially changed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_D.C._Temple).

Romney may think he is the Cinderella, but he's fallen behind Ron Paul, for whom the same argument can be made, and who is the most well-prepared, perceptive, sensible and articulate of the GOP stable. I would like to think, too, that Romney's program hurts him as much or more than anything else.

Perry seems to have decided that he would rather tell jokes than run for president. I can't say I blame him, but it won't get him nominated or elected.

Personally, I think it might be a good thing if we banished not only lobbyists, but also Congressional staffers, party pollsters and campaign advisors. Like the bureaucrats, they don't revolve, the door revolves around them. But you have to say one thing for it, the debate circuit has diverted attention from Obama to the Republicans.

Newt tends to be didactic, which I suppose is why he doesn't know when to stop. Nevertheless he is often right, as he was about poor children day before yesterday. But it only serves up fodder for the liberal media. IMHO pricking them this way is not bad, but I'm beginning to think that in elections, like confirmation hearings, less is more and on the whole it's best not to stir up the hornets, particularly not when things aren't presently an issue. In this case I think most everyone agrees that work is preferable to welfare.