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Gelles  12/03/2011 08:21 PM Report

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Following is link to tell PBS what shows you like..

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On Sat Sep 3, 4pm, I sent them:

1. Charlie Rose

2. Need to Know

3. Your attempts to state problems

4. Your potential to gather input on solutions

I'm sending this in installments because sending often crashes.

I'll try to keep a copy of each segment. It would be an improvement if you always echoed back a copy to prove your receipt.

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SEGMENT 2 (FUTURE SEGMENTS WILL STAND ALONE)

1. Todays show on Need to Know tells the stories but asks for nothing but maybe future votes and donations.

2. Obviously trillions in public and private spending are needed to finance recovery from this recession-depression.

3. This is not an ad for my site --

but http://outputbasedmoney.info will tell you where I'm coming from.

4. "Need to Know" fails to hint at any prompt solutions. It tells the problem. The solution requires money to be sent to victims, as we send it to big banks and employers. But the cost to know millions of addresses to the victims is prohibitive.

5. Yet we do know where free workers to help find such addresses (or other aspects of recovery) can be found: THEY ARE RETIRED MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE WHO WILL WORK FOR FREE TO IF ASKED TO VOLUNTEER IN AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY CORPS (remember the Peace Corps).

6. We now rely, liberals and conservatives, on the passage of years and decades to work down debt and rejuvenate animal spirits.

7. Keynes and followers know it takes NOT time but MONEY to repeat the financial plan we used from 7 Dec 1941 to the days that followed when specific production goals self-financed victory in war. The same would work for peace and potential war-prevention.

8. The volunteers you would organize to help Bernanke and his President turn the money fire hose on victims would work at home if it had redundancies to allow a low level of security and extremely simple interfaces that any old codger would master in a minute.

KEEP IN TOUCH. We have the money. We have the industrial infrastructure. We are missing only a substitute for shopping to prime the pump of full employment.

Get to work. Work with Charlie Rose, Need to Know, PBS NewsHour, and all your shows. You already get some money donations. Try to get some free clerical labor donations dedicated to full employment capitalism for all in need -- helped to be realized by the millions now retired with enough money at the moment to be volunteers.

Part of your appeal might be that if this program works it would eventually help themselves or those they love.

Gelles  12/03/2011 08:36 AM Report

The security of nuclear armed advanced industrial democracies is threatened by future acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by autocratic nations who support suicidal terrorists or exhibit suicidal intentions of their own.

These democracies are immune to threats from each other so far, because America and Russia have shown that the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is valid up til now.

So Ric_Amaral's and Noam Chomsky's opinions on deterring Iran from its plan to follow North Korea's example of adopting a nuclear policy that looks like folly may be ignored: but Jim Jones' opinion may not. He will share that opinion with American president's -- no one else yet -- and so ought to become one or a vice-president. The matter is that important, IMO.

The matter of industrial power and leadership in future decades, and the relative strength of America and its potential rivals is different but similar to the above. Our ultimate objective is freedom and democracy here and on the rest of Earth. This means we must be more effective industrially that nations with far more people. And it also means that our democracy must change its performance sine curves to straighter lines trending higher than our rivals.

One way to do this is to tenure our own producers by redefining the employment, consumption, production and debt, to establish win-win competitive enterprise immune to incapacity based on suicidal anachronisms scattered within our legacy systems. The effectiveness of debt to help us win may be preserved as we sever all negative effects that ought to end the instant debt no longer delivers what it promised.

Democracy can protect both the human right think and the human right to eat. In fact it must. When we are hungry enough we can think of nothing but food. Democracy begins with the right to think about itself not solely about immediate drink and nourishment.

Th concentration of wealth currently opposed by the 99% Movement needs our opposition even if we are outside but along side that Movement. Or democracy has demonstrated self-correcting tendencies in the past. But they leave a sine curve behind as time reveals the suffering of being without sufficient wealth for even moments.

What justification is there for winner-take-all when the game is over and tomorrow we play again? We must make room for tenure for critical common sense need.

In our current slow correction system, consumers are not tenured in that role. When they buy less, winners sell less. If that persists winners are losers, losers are losers, concentration of wealth destroys far more wealth than it can create.

One remedy maybe near equality of income in half of the economy where less competitive people live in tenure at their option. The other half invites the most effective to produce with machines the most we can -- and be confident of sales to themselves and to the other half.

Sleep on that thought. We ought to never suffer unemployment. The time it takes to move from too much disparity to too little ought to be near zero.

Ricardo_Amaral  12/03/2011 05:34 AM Report

They just downloaded this video into YouTube - the video explain what is happening in Syria, Iran, Pakistan and so forth, and a possible coming war between the United States/NATO vs. China/Russia:

Pepe Escobar: The Shadow War in Syria - Infowars Nightly News ½ – December 3, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrhYBnvtm_I

On the Friday, December 2 edition of Infowars Nightly News, Aaron talks with Asia Times journalist Pepe Escobar about war clouds forming over Syria, Iran and Pakistan and the steps nuclear power China may take in reaction.

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Ricardo_Amaral  12/03/2011 03:26 AM Report

I just posted the following on Brazzil magazine about the economic connection between China/Iran to answer a question from one of the members of that magazine:

Regarding Iran:

GDP = US$ 400 billion US dollars (2010 est.)

Iran's total government budget = US$ 90 billion US dollars (2010 est.)

Iran's military expenditure = 2.5 percent of GDP = US$ 10 billion US dollars

Iran export of oil in 2010 was about US$ 70 billion US dollars, and China the largest single customer of Iran accounted for US$ 13 billion US dollars of this business, and Japan, South Korea, and India also account for another US$ 22 billion US dollars of this business. Iran exported about US$ 20 billion dollars to Europe to countries such as Italy, Spain, Greece, and so on....Turkey bought about US$ 5 billion US dollars of Iran's oil, and the balance of about US$ 10 billion US dollars Iran sold its oil to a number of other countries around the world.

The relationship of China and Iran has nothing to do with religion, Iran is an important source of oil for China's economy.

The state of Israel and their religion and old fairy tales means nothing to China or India for that matter.

For all practical purposes the state of Israel is completely irrelevant from China's perspective, and also to the new world order of the 21st century.

Iran has been living under international sanctions since 1979, and Iran also had an eight-year war with Iraq (the cost of the war to the country's economy was around US$500 billion US dollars), because of all these obstacles, the Iranians developed a self-sufficient economy, and they educated their own scientists, and developed their own military industrial complex and state-of-the-art healthcare system.

Saddam, and Gadaffi were not as important to the Chinese economy as the oil resources that China gets from Iran. And their relationship is going to become even more important in the coming years, because the European countries are placing new sanctions against importing oil from Iran, and that it will be very good for China, since that extra oil supply can be sold in the future to China at a special price.

It's a win/win situation for China/Iran, and not so good for the European countries such as Italy, Greece, Spain, and many others that are being forced by the country wreckers for them to adopt this new sanction against Iranian oil.

For Iran that means that they are going to do a lot more business with the Asians, and much less with collapsing old Europe.

And the Asians even have money to actually pay their bills.

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SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/02/2011 11:04 PM Report

Pakistan may be a country hellbent on destruction, as the General says, BUT like with Osama bin Laden we have to look in the mirror. (Blow back is a B-tch.)

Here is the transcript from Frontline's "A Perfect Terrorist" and it explains our involvement with Mumbai three years ago:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/afghanistan-pakistan/david-headley/transcript-13/

So who then is a partner in being hellbent on destruction?

Ricardo_Amaral  12/02/2011 08:31 PM Report

Today when I saw on the front page of the Financial Times (UK) a big picture of US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, all smiles with Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyl – a picture taken yesterday in Burma – a picture is worth a thousand words.

The first thing that came to mind is: I wonder what is going on in the mind of the generals of the Burmese Junta, and also of the Chinese government leaders in China?

They probably were laughing about the fact that the United States is getting so desperate about their declining power in that area of the world that they went as far as to send US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, to Burma for a Photo Op with Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyl.

They must be thinking who the United States think they are kidding with that Photo Op stunt?

Burma is under China's circle of influence. China represents the future. China is financially solvent. China is in the way up to be the next superpower.

In the other hand, the United States economy is collapsing, and depend on China for financial assistance to be able to keep its economic and financial system alive a little longer and survive another day.

The United States influence and prestige is in decline in most areas of the world, and the United States is stuck in Afghanistan, the place where former superpowers go to die a slow death.

The only reason the US economic and financial system has not collapsed as yet, just like the Soviet Union – it's because the US dollar is the main foreign reserve currency. If that was not the case then the US economic and financial system would have imploded and melted down just like the Soviet Union system did a few years ago.

The entire US economic and financial system is in intensive care, the patient is in a coma, and we don't know how long this patient will be kept alive before the patient finally dies a sudden death. This time around it will be faster than the Soviet Union implosion and total meltdown.

At least US secretary of state Hillary Clinton was properly dressed for the occasion, since on that white outfit she looked just like a nurse. But she didn't have a complete uniform, since she forgot to wear her nurses' cap.

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Ricardo_Amaral  12/02/2011 05:00 AM Report

I am a realist, and these days I don't expect anything intelligent to come out from Washington.

And I also don't underestimate the lack of common sense that we have around Washington – it must be something that they are putting into the water system to turn most of the politicians into idiots.

I hope we still have some people in Washington who still can use their brain to think, even if they have just a few minutes of lucidity.

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China Threatens World War Three If Anyone Attacks Iran 2011 – December 1, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3xeP7NFRE

A professor from the Chinese National Defense University says that China should not hesitate to protect Iran, even if it means launching world war three, as more US warships are dispatched to the region amidst heightening tensions.

According to NDTV, a Chinese news station based outside the country, in regard to recent speculation that Iran would be the target of a US-Israeli military assault, Major General Zhang Zhaozhong commented that, "China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third world war," remarks described as "puzzling to some".

The news report also quotes Professor Xia Ming as paraphrasing Zhaozhong's quote that, "not hesitating to fight a third world war would be entirely for domestic political needs."

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Ricardo_Amaral  12/02/2011 03:24 AM Report

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67053&perpage=6&pagenumber=55

November 8, 2011

SouthAmerica: Here is another episode of our hit comedy series: Israel is going to attack Iran

The boogeyman is coming to get you – and Israel will attack Iran....

Israel is going to attack which country?

Hah, hah, hah....

The United States is also planning to attack Iran.....

Hah, hah, hah....

Sure they are – they have been attacking Iran for the last 7 years – and Iran it is always 6 months away from getting their nukes.

Today when the US mainstream media mentions this old story about Israel or the United States getting ready to attack Iran all we can do is laugh very hard about these delusional people.

Israel is getting ready to attack Iran has become nothing more than a laughable TV comedy series.

Israel and the United States foreign policy it is more discredit than the old saying “the Russians are coming...”

I understand that in the new world of the 21st century Israel is becoming completely irrelevant since in China, and in India nobody gives a shit about Israel and its history and very old fairy tales.

We have been laughing here on ET for a long time about this TV comedy series, and I hope the new audience will have a good laugh and get entertained as much as we have:

Here watch this video and you also can have a few laughs:

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Ricardo_Amaral  12/02/2011 03:23 AM Report

Charlie, I missed the first half of your show yesterday, but I did watch when you and General Jim Jones were talking about Iran.

What surprised me is that you guys still are able to talk about that subject with a straight face.

We had been discussing that subject on the Elite Trader Forum for the last 6 years.

At first we took that subject seriously, then over the years after beating that subject to death we realized

that if any country was going to attack Iran they would have done by now.

Then the thread turned into a American TV sitcom, and every time the media and the talking heads bring this subject up we have another laugh as you can see by the postings.

I hope General Jones is aware that only fools follow American policies around the world, since US foreign policy it's not a sitcom, but a tragedy.

The US government is completely clueless about what goes on in many countries around the world, and the US government has the track record to prove it. I often tell some of my friends that I wonder if we have only idiots working for the US government. What happened to the people who had the ability to think?

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Chomsky: is Iran a threat? - March 17, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pH8gCEZ4Ds

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Ricardo: We have been discussing the subject of “Iran” on the Elite Trader Forum for over 6 years.

The United States is planning to attack Iran

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67053&perpage=6&pagenumber=56

November 15, 2011

...Today all we can do is laugh about their delusional ideas, and play along with their bogeyman stories.

"Israel is going to attack Iran..."

Sure!!!!!

Hah, hah, hah....

Old joke:

Iran is about 6 months from acquiring nuclear weapons...

LOL.

Reminder:

The Jewish comedians can be very funny, and they just up dated a little the old Jewish Catskills Comedy Lines...

"Israel is going to attack Iran..."

Then all the Jewish comedians come out to do their usual comedy routines all over the US mainstream media.

As long as the old comedy act works, then why not bring it back for another replay....

Hah, hah, hah....

The only problem is that they are probably reaching the saturation point with their audience with this old material - and they need to refresh their comedy routine.

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SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/01/2011 09:39 PM Report

Yes, it is inconceivable that our good buddies in Pakistan did not know Osama bin Laden was there.

Also, on August 7th how many of the bin Laden Seal Team Six group were killed of the 22 Navy Seals who died?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/07/us-helicopter-afghanistan-rescue-mission

It is hard to feel good when we assassinate (instead of bring to trial) a bad guy and then lose the team (part or most) to the bad guys months later (with very little reporting here).

SharkswithfrikingLazers  12/01/2011 09:26 PM Report

We met the goals for withdrawing from Iraq?

The OIL sir? Flowing like water?

The dancing in the streets for the liberators?

The bill picked up (or even shared) by those dancers?

Gelles  12/01/2011 07:40 PM Report

On energy strategy, nuclear proliferation, global trade and poverty, world war, and bringing partners in to plan a stable future:

Energy -- Jones may fear to fast a switch from burning carbon to preserving it as the greatest structural element in the universe. I am of an opposite view: convert sun and some lesser sources to electricity to hydrogen for storage. Then run everything on hydrogen and wet your whistle with the water it returns to.

Nuclear proliferation: kill it now. Jones was less direct. But I trust him.

Global trade and poverty: Bernanke has again saved the world from unnecessary illiquidity. Jones will support him. The millennial goal of the UN to end poverty will be in safe hands if they are his.

World War: like Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower, he knows more about war and peace than all the others we might pick combined. This is a time for peace -- world partnership for PEACE and human rights.

The future -- partnerships or one-and-only-one forever: I vote for partnerships. The British Empire was glad to see one of its children take its place. Our children want liberty more than empire.

http://outputbasedmoney.info/.crs.htm

Gelles  12/01/2011 07:18 PM Report

On Pakistan (as I say Jones sees it): let them know India, America, Europe and Russia are heavier than Pakistan and what little trust China might have had in them in an earlier time.

[continued, as started]

Gelles  12/01/2011 07:12 PM Report

including all whose freedom IS less than fully embedded

Gelles  12/01/2011 07:11 PM Report

Charlie Rose I suspect feels the same as I do. He cannot believe that in the crucial year 2012 America will have a choice between losers on the right and confusion on the left. He wants, against all odds, to see a winner here elected who will lead the free world, including all whose freedom less than fully embedded in their history, to money enough to promote high technology, high art and aesthetics, high morale and morals, products and architecture worthy of his admiration, and people at the top not wedded to the least accomplishment for free nations and serious cooperative-competitive compromises that moved us from the trees to the cities imagined if not yet built.

[continued, as started]

Gelles  12/01/2011 07:00 PM Report

General Jim Jones is a natural successor to President Dwight Eisenhower. He is as smart, more articulate, and represents the same respect by Generals like Washington and Eisenhower for democracy, our Declaration and our PREAMBLE'S purpose for America to set the example for promoting both the general welfare and the blessings of liberty for ourselves, our descendants and every other decent human being.

[continued in segments -- to make a point and move on before this thing crashes]

tabs  12/01/2011 06:11 PM Report

General Jones was candidly down to earth, which made every word of his credible. One could call that being authentic. One thing though and this is more of an observation than a criticism and that is that the two areas that "perplex" the logic of General Jones and more largely Western policy makers is Pakistani and Iranian behavior and rhetoric.

One wonders why this is so? The answer is simple because Western logic and rationality do not apply to Iranian nor Pakistani thinking. It is whole different universe of through the looking glass out there. Osama Bin Laden was protected by the ISI because he came out and fought the Russians in Afghanistan, where he made a lot of friends who out of loyalty to a brother in arms protected him. Now that Osama is gone those foreign fighters are not going to be so welcome anymore The Pakistanis simply don't trust the white man and his condescending ways so they tell Sahib one thing to get his money and then do what they need to do.

As an aside it is interesting to note how the Afghan officals play the game of statics and numbers to assuge American sensibilities. They have learned the game well.

With the Iranians one should be looking at what they are not talking about rather than what they are drawing attention to. That was the one comment of General Jones that was not astute, that one has to take the threats of President Ahmadinejad towards Israel seriously. There are several other rationalities possible as to why that statement was made. As far as being a state sponsor of terrorism the Iranian President clearly told Mr Rose in late 2001 that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. That one fell on deaf ears for a number of years.

Further both President Ahmadinejad and Advisor Larijani have told Mr Rose that Iran's ultimate goal is NOT a nuclear weapon, as "it is not cost effective." Here one suspects that Iran is now playing a game of who is dominate in the hood the Saudis, Turkey or Iran? For that one does not actully need the bomb just the spector of having one will do.

As an aside does one remember Saddam's continuing to not let the WMD inspectors in, when the US was demanding it or else?, As if he had something to hide. Which ultimately led to his downfall, does that not defy logic? Not so much if one thinks that it is the one power point that he has over his neighbors.

Then comes the Iranian relationship with the American Super Power. There is a paranoia which is certainly justifiable based upon the history (1954 and the ascension of the Shaw of Iran) of US meddling in Iranian self determination. Here the Iranians are playing a game of destabilization as an offense is the best defense (If one can just keep the Americans off balance). The Iranians fear of the US has certainly diminished as they have noticed the plodding ineffectiveness of American power in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Perhaps the best course of action for the US is to forget the sanctions and smother the Iranians with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, McDonald's, I Pads and I Phones to satiate them into indolence, and if the leadership should try and turn off the spigot..OH well. There is the old saying of keeping ones friends close and your enemies even closer.

Well that is it..just a few rambling musings about the show.

ShalomFreedman  12/01/2011 01:47 PM Report

This was an informative and interesting interview. I especially appreciated General Jones' analysis of the Iranian situation. The dangers of proliferation, and of transferring weapons to terrorists are high on the reasons why Iran must be stopped. Jones may be optimistic in suggesting that there are tools short of a military strike that might halt Iran. I appreciated his not hemming and hawing and making it clear that Iran intends to destroy Israel.

I also learned much from Jones' analysis of the Afghanistan- Pakistan situation. Clearly much has been invested in Pakistan and Pakistan has proven to be wholly unreliable.He did not however express much faith that the whole Afghanistan- Pakistan will work out. He seemed to me very realistic in analyzing each situation. He was also far more articulate than I somehow expected he would be.

BENEZRAA  12/01/2011 12:04 PM Report

HEARTFELT AND IDEALISTIC VIEWS OF THE MUSLIM "AWAKENING" NOT WITHSTANDING, "MAMMON" IS AS BELOVED IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, AS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

The prospect of the West -- for all it's own faults -- quitting worlds of Muslim upheavals (good and bad) to leave feudal governments, petty dictators, and competitive terrorists to engage in tribal warfare using nuclear suitcases and to trot the globe with the same luggage would not be a benign way for the West to treat Asia, India, nor Africa, nor China. And then there are the missiles, the cutting off of noses and ears, the trafficking in drugs and sex and weapons, the religious persecutions according to the Jihadi flavor of the day ....

BENEZRAA  12/01/2011 11:47 AM Report

CHINA HAS BOILED IT'S RICE FAR TOO LONG.

Tibet and Siankiang especially have suffered too much already. I pray for increased spiritual strength to the Dalai Lama, who every day seeks to prevent full-scale violence from erupting in Tibet. Tibetan monks are immolating themselves, an alarm projected similarly decades ago by Buddhist monks in Vietnam as Vietnam was being torn apart. Caught between a relentless China and the prospect of full-scale war, Tibet deserves the spiritual and political attention of the world to prevent worst-case scenarios from occurring to Tibet -- and to China.

At the close of World War Two, the USA, Britain, and France should have protected Vietnam from China and Russia by supporting a transition of power from French colonialism to pro-USA nationalist leader Ho Chi Mingh. Instead these Allies forced Vietnam into civil war and fully into the arms of Russia and China, simultaneously leaving China free to invade Tibet. Today the great "Wall" of China is the Himalayas, which are aflame in a circle of wars from Korea to Siankiang to Afghanistan to Pakistan to Kashmir to Nepal to Southeast Asia. These are largely proxy wars between China and the West. These wars may come to a swift conclusion -- even the AF-PAK crisis, if China realizes that it has already overcooked it's own rice.

China has much to learn and much to gain -- spiritually and materially -- from Tibet. If China takes it's cue from the Dalai Lama and lays down it's war mongering, then full-scale war may yet avoid both Tibet and China.

REMant  12/01/2011 11:47 AM Report

The WSJ reported yesterday that the US was on track to become a net petroleum products exporter (see http://www.texassharon.com/2011/11/30/us-net-fuel-exporter-at-our-fracking-expense/ for the full article minus subscription fee). Domestic prices are kept high, however, because of worldwide demand and because of depreciation of the dollar. It probably doesn't hurt that countries like Libya, Iraq and Iran are offline at the moment. But the potential to export coal and natural gas is certainly there, as well as, oil from oil sands if anyone is stupid enough to do that. I doubt this is a sane course of action, but probably saner than promoting ethanol from corn, and undoubtedly saner than invading places in the Middle East. The US also has a great agricultural export potential, but which will have the same effect on food prices here. Note also that for all of China's government support, the United States still exported $1.9 billion of solar products last year and actually runs a trade surplus in solar products with China.

I really can't buy all the stuff said about Pakistan. I think we are blundering badly there. Even if it were not for the fact that Islam is the overwhelmingly predominant faith in all these countries, not the worship of Mammon, the signs are clearly that they will go in an Islamist direction. Morocco just elected an Islamist government, and Egypt will likely also while Tunisia and Libya may follow suit. These "revolutions" are inspired by, as has been said, since it is I understand a literal translation of the word, dignity. Which means simply a desire for respect of one's independence and person. In a word: honor. It is very old-fashioned and has little to do with what most Americans care about and suppose others to. We have the same problem in understanding the American Revolution, which many consider simply the desire for independence FROM Britain, but it was a desire TO be autonomous. And while two-year-olds also want independence, the revolution was a sign of growing up. Expectations frustrated no doubt have had something to do with setting these things off, but I seriously doubt will have much to do with their resolution, because this is also about preservation in the face of failures and excesses of modernity, not a desire to embrace it. Failure in repeated economic and environmental crises; excesses in overpopulation. Under such circumstances ppl look to themselves and their own, and who can blame them? It could be called simply decentralization, a situation every organization faces. If we can't do anything to support this transition, a better bet would be for the West to get out of the way and let social forces bring things into balance by themselves.