Charlie Rose

finalfantasytown  03/31/2012 03:00 AM Report

I am always curious and still don't understand why God build providence and put panda live in Sichuan province. Panda eat, eat, and eat bamboo one set after another. In some religions, people admire certain animals.

I am not sure if Ezra Vogel feels sorry about Deng's experiences caused by the fake one(like the fake Chinese money) and understands what he has done. I wish his soul in the dark remove his will from Chinese. But how?

One option is keeping eating vegetables, fruits, and insects until extinction. Another option is to make a ritual. I smell the blood.

anne4444  11/30/2011 06:17 PM Report

Deng was someone who knew what he wanted, and he knew he could achieve it without doubt.

The question is whether it is justified to lose many lives for lifting the massive poor. In order to calculate, you have to know the value of life and lifting value of poverty. My head just can’t calculate such things.

jason  11/30/2011 06:01 AM Report

Deng was a great leader no doubt, however, how did Deng survive the power struggles and purges? to say Deng was "protected by Mao" was over simplification of Deng's ability to survive as Mao protected nobody. analysts from Taiwan, HongKong produced more insightful analysis than prof. Vogel.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/30/2011 02:42 AM Report

Ezra was a bit light on Deng's son:

"During the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and his family were targeted by Red Guards. Red Guards imprisoned Deng's son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and forced out of the window in a four-story building, becoming a paraplegic."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

So this happens to his son and then we look at Tiananmen Square with the death of 300 to 400, others say up to 2,500.

Not the most civilized of cultures huh?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/30/2011 02:34 AM Report

Deng was a man of the world:

The night before his departure, Deng's father took his son aside and asked him what he hoped to learn in France. He repeated the words he had learned from his teachers: "To learn knowledge and truth from the West in order to save China." Deng Xiaoping knew that China was suffering greatly, and that the Chinese people must have a modern, Western education to save their country.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

ShalomFreedman  11/30/2011 01:22 AM Report

In about half - a - sentence Ezra Vogel and Charlie Rose decided to make nothing of the Chinese destruction of Tibetan political and cultural life. The ongoing repression and occupation there is not on the world's agenda. And apparently for the Tibetans as for the Kurds as for the Christians of the Middle East there is no real place on either the U.N.'s or Charlie Rose's schedule.

czrska  11/29/2011 02:31 PM Report

Every morning I chack my email and then what is going to be on your show. Today I've thought is nothing what I would be interested in. But, I had the time to see it and I LOVED IT. Your interview with Mr. Ezra Vogle was oustending and the Mr. Payne I can't wait to see the movie.

Thank you so much for being my source of update to what is going on in the world. I have difficulty to read; my brain is limited to listening and God I love to lesten to your programs. May God gives you many years to come; I do not connect easly to people but you are in my heart.

REMant  11/29/2011 11:44 AM Report

I am, of course, not an advocate of the great man theory of history, because I think it always lacks perspective. Perhaps that's the reason why I didn't get much from this discussion - too much Deng and too little transformation. The book has been criticized for being too easy on its subject, with which I don't necessarily agree, however. The issue re Tiananmen Square is whether the actions there proved right or wrong. I somehow think, tho, that those who object to them do not care about the issue, only exhibiting some primitivist sentiment regarding the participants. History has little point except glorification if it doesn't provide the means for prediction and that's true whether you are for or against the event.

Deng had undoubtedly lived long enough to mistrust the democratic impulses of his countrymen, as well as, their socialist ones, and was no doubt right in realizing that the means for this revolution would have to come from abroad and that would mean a period of both hardship and discipline as in Singapore. Sensibly also, he avoided going out on any limbs, lest they be cut off, and was willing to let reform happen, a trait in which Americans seem singularly lacking. But you could have reached the same conclusions without considering Deng at all.

BTW, 1920-21, the period when Deng arrived in France, saw a very sharp deflation worldwide occasioned by post-WWI imbalances, which was, considering the circumstances, very well handled - a lot better than it has since, with the exception of the post-WWII period. Though of course that probably made little difference to a 15-year-old who earned his keep while studying making Le Creuset pots and pans and Renault cars. Ho Chi Minh was also among the number in France who turned to Marxism at this time.