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ssmm829  11/28/2011 06:16 PM Report

I strongly encourage you to travel to Iran and have an Interview specifically with Mr. Mousavi and Mr. Karoubi who have been under house arrest for long time without any contact with outside (except of 2times visiting their close relatives) and they don't even have a primitive right to live and work normally. I remember in 2009 they always had official requests for peaceful and quiet demonstration and the government wouldn't accept that and they eventually gave it up and said to people don't come out for demonstration, but people like to get back their stolen votes. I personally was in the demonstrations and it was perfectly peaceful. after the demonstration when some colonies were around the city coming back to their house, the pro government people provoke them by insulting and fighting to make them mad. I remember in my lovely memorable memory anytime we had some young people mostly from universities encouraging people don't be affected by them and be quiet and continue your peaceful demonstration. Mr. mousavi and karoubi already had some mistakes like everybody else but I guarantee you that they are well experienced about some mistakes about their relationship with western countries and they can be succeeded to take this struggling over and eventually have better relations with respect to all things which are issues right know. so at the end I'd like to say that the suggestion will be very worthwhile to have a flavor of Iran society and opposition opinions about.

Arash161  11/24/2011 08:25 PM Report

Mr. Larigani is a professional lier. He lies so comfortably that is beyond imagination. I encourage you to call his bluff and travel to Iran and then try to interview with Mr. Mousavi and Mr. Karroubi. It will be an interesting trip.

ChongSunWah  11/24/2011 01:10 PM Report

I had lived in Iran and the Iranians are very nice people. They are living in an environment where preempt strike can happen anytime so they need to protect their country the best possible way like what the West has been doing all along including Israel.

If the Jewish people want to talk about peace=human right they should first start in Israel so my posting got connection in this page. The Jewish women do not give my friend the right to promote the petition so they punished her by creaming her whole head and sent the mail to all her customers and don't even bring up the Palestinian petition, that is so cunning..(this is to let you know how unreasonable the Jewish people are?)

Dear Jane,

We are sending you an e-mail for Geena Eng, your hairdresser, because she wants you to know how much she loves getting her head shaving creamed in her salon. These great pictures show her truly enjoying getting her mop of hair scrubbed and lathered with cream, and getting her face cream pied!

That Chinese head of hair holds a lot of cream, and Geena looks great, doesn't she? Please feel free to call her, and some of you may want to bring some cans of shaving cream to the salon and give Geena a surprise cream shampoo and face full of cream!....believe us, she will love it. Please give Geena Cream Head a call or send an e-mail to let her know you got this message and saw her pictures.

Geena's favorite Creaming Team of ladies Nyah-Nyah

Gelles  11/24/2011 06:28 AM Report

Sunflower from Singapore ~

Have you an idea relating to Iran? This page is about Iranian human rights and political aims. Perhaps you could tell us more about Singapore and its success in improving the lives of working people. Singapore is much admired -- but we do not hear often from people who have lived there. Would Iran be wise to study their example? Have you lived in Palestine and Israel? Do you see any connection between Iran, Singapore and the two state solution? (Try not to abuse this archive with too many matters unrelated to the TV shows it covers. Be a good guest. You will feel better for it.)

ChongSunWah  11/23/2011 01:28 PM Report

I THOUGHT AMERICA IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY BUT I WAS WRONG

From: Geena

To: Sunflower Chong,Marie, hair dresser

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:08 AM

Subject: Re: How Are You Geena?

Dear Sunflower (and Marie and Steve),

I have taken some time from the happening before writing...like Hair's feelings about it, it's such a strange experience to be publicly humiliated, you don't really know how to react! :| straight face

Marie sent me a message that you had seen the photos they sent to my e-mail contact list, so you already know how thoroughly they creamed me and humiliated me...you are right, Sunflower, I looked terrible, and the Jewish witches definitely won. But not because of you, Sunflower, or what you are doing, it was because of me and what I did....:-S worried You and Marie and Hair warned me not to be so aggressive with the Jewish woman who is the leader, but I didn't listen....I just had to rub her face in the petition....and I really got taught a lesson in humility by her and her nasty gang of witches.

I was getting ready to close, but the salon door was still unlocked, and all seven (same number as Hair got creamed by) Jewish women walked in....as soon as I saw them, I knew why they were in my salon. The leader said, "So you think you are going to shave my head? Well, here are your choices...we hold you down and I shave your head bald...or, you sit quietly and offer us your head for a creaming just like we gave to Steve!". In that moment, I lost all my aggressiveness and confidence and arrogance...I knew they were going to win and totally humiliate me, more for my arrogance, but also for my support of the petition and spreading the word on it.

So :( sad, I sat down in the salon chair, and leaned my head forward to submit to the creaming....every one of them had a can of shaving cream and they all started laughing as they loaded my hair and face with cream! I was immediately humiliated because I had meekly surrendered to their punishment, and like with Hair Dresser, they were taunting me about my big talk, while they shampooed my hair full of cream and rubbed it in my face and mouth! They laughed every time I moaned getting a mouth full of cream and from the rough scrubbing of the incredible load of cream in my hair!

The leader asked me, "Are you going to circulate any more petitions, Geena?"...."Or make any more threats to shave my head?"....I was so totally humiliated because they had me...I said, "No"....and she said, "Are you prepared to admit that you deserve to be punished for your arrogance?"....and I moaned, and then I said, "Yes, I deserve this"....they laughed so hard as I completely surrendered in my humiliation, Sunflower.

They threatened to take me out the door of the salon with my head coated with cream and lock the door behind me if I didn't print out my e-mail customer contact list, so I cleared cream out of my eyes and wiped my hands, and printed it out for them...they were still taunting me and laughing at me while I was doing it...and one woman said, "Maybe you like having your head creamed, Geena? I am sure everyone will believe that when they get the e-mail of your pictures!".

They took me back to the salon chair and cream scrubbed my head again and they made me pose for photos...they stayed out of them so there would be no evidence that they were the ones that creamed and humiliated me. Well, Sunflower, you have seen the pictures that they e-mailed to all of my customers...do you see why I surrendered?....many of my lady customers are calling and laughing, and calling me "Cream Head Geena". ~X( at wits' end Anyway, I will forward to you the e-mail they sent to everyone....

Love,

Geena :"> blushing

ChongSunWah  11/23/2011 01:13 PM Report

JohnGelles I know you are a very CLEVER man but not a BRAVE one because if you are you will GO SIGN THE PETITION at

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/call-for-support-for-a-palestinian-state.html

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEACE GO GET NETANYAHU TO CONCLUDE THE PEACE DEAL WITH THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE BECAUSE FOR WORLD HARMONY TO BE A REALITY THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE MUST HAVE A STATE DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME! DO I SOUND ANGRY YES, VERY ANGRY IN FACT BECAUSE THE SAME 7 JEWISH WOMEN WHO ATTACKED MY FRIEND STEVE IN AMERICA HAD ATTACKED GEENA WHO HAD SIGNED THE PETITION!

How can those Jewish women do that? Why not because they got example to follow what monkey see monkey do! Netanyahu so CLEVER LIKE YOU, he managed to get EU to bow down to Israel! IF AMERICA GOT TO BOW DOWN TO ISRAEL SO DO EVERY COUNTRIES ESPECIALLY EU, RIGHT! http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/27/netanyahu-diplomacy-france-spain/

From: Marie

To: Sunflower Chong

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:28 AM

Subject: Re: Please Take Care

Dear Sunflower,

Thank you for your message....from what I know, Geena is fine. I have not been able to catch her because many ladies are calling her and her phone was always busy. I only know that these women came to her salon when she was preparing to close and gave her head a massive creaming...I warned her not to be so aggressive with these Jewish women, but Geena kept rubbing their face in the petition. You know how mean the Jews can be when you talk as aggressive to them as they like to do to everyone else. ~X( at wits' end

One of her customers (who is also a friend of mine) sent me the pictures that all Geena's customers received in an e-mail from the Jewish women. I am not sure, but I think once they had her creamed, they made her give them her salon customer e-mail contact list so they could more fully humiliate her. Take a look at the pics and maybe you will agree with me that they creamed Geena even more than Hair, and she was so humiliated, she agreed to give them her e-mail customer list! :-O surprise

Please let me know what you think, Sunflower, and maybe let Geena know we have seen the pictures they sent? Remember to scroll down the messages to see the photo's I attached.

Love,

Marie

Dear JohnGelles, you go sign the petition for my 57 birthday:) I got to stop this cause because maybe someone will get hurt along the way if we push too hard. I was afraid the Jewish women will destroy Geena's salon but luckily they only cream her whole head. But if Geena does not stop promoting the petition those women will not stop. You look at the Jewish lobbyist if they can buy all the governments they will do it right away if possible.

The Palestinians got recognition from UNESCO America stop funding and Israeli government will stop the funds going back to the Palestinians. How can they do this to those poor suffering people. ISRAEL IS A GREAT BULLY!!

THE NEXT WAR WILL BE AN ECONOMIC WAR. Now Israel must pray hard that America will always be at the top if not when CHINA rises up we will see a totally different picture of the world. If you do not set the rules and regulations right now and when CHINA is at its might they will follow the example of the west bullying others because of their economic power(the sprately islands is a good example). The West keep warning to China they got to play by the rule but what about Israel and America are you playing by the rules OR HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD?

From: Edwin

To: Sunflower Chong

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:16 AM

Subject: Re: Call for Support for a Palestinian State - Online Petition

Your email is disgusting. How many states have been threatened with extinction by every surrounding country for over 60 years and been force to fight 5 or 6 wars just for survival.

There should be no discussion with the PLO until and unless they openly recognize Israel's right to exist.

I don't accept double standards. Shame on you. Take me off your mailing list. E.

We cannot give CHINA the excuse that they do not need to play by the rules. I cannot write as well as you JohnGelles but I hope you know what I am trying to say. We cannot look now or plan for now instead we got to plan for the future and most importantly we got to envisage how is the future going to be especially WHEN CHINA RISES UP?

BECAUSE THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF CHINA WILL BE GREEDY AND ARROGANT ONE JUST LIKE THE WEST? YOU WILL ASK HOW IS IT SO? I ANSWER YOU, VERY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE A NATION OF ONE CHILD POLICY THIS MEANS MOST OF THE CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT UP TO ONLY KNOW ABOUT ME FIRST. On top of it China is a Capitalist country but name only communist, so my friend let us all TAKE CARE or another stronger word BEWARE because they are everywhere especially in the middle-east. The Koran said that middle-east will not be own by the Arabs or Jews but slit eyes. It seems the Bible said at the end of the world we will see a dragon in the middle-east. (I would love to share with you what we had discussed in class but very sensitive not wise.)

DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE INNOVATIVE MIND, LOOK AT CHINA GREAT HISTORY AND THEY ARE VERY PROUD PEOPLE.

When they do have great economic wealth with talents like the west who can come up with new ideas and great innovations to influence the world either we rise with them or the world has to listen to them like we have to listen to America for almost 5 decades. I remembered vividly in the 60's when the West was so arrogant we constantly heard from the old folks said that the wheel will turn to the other said and they mean China. This is a Chinese expression or a saying something like that.....

America cannot just keep on protecting Israel and lost it moral compass. If Israel is a true friend of America, Israel must prove it by opening their heart of compassion and conclude the peace agreement with the Palestinians.

WHAT I SAID SO FAR IS RIGHT GOT PROVE HERE.

From: Joanne

To: Sunflower Chong <sunflower_chong@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:22 PM

Subject: RE: TO BUILD A BETTER WORLD EVERYONE MUST CARE

Sunflower

Although my feelings are not as strong, I do believe what you argue here.

Joanne

Gelles  11/23/2011 09:55 AM Report

Been where? ~

"As long as the desire to eliminate nuclear capabilities is not asserted with more meaningful peaceful rhetoric, the game is not going to stop."

Your words?

Meaning?

Peaceful rhetoric must mean peace. Peace=human rights or did your imply men of honor would accept peace without them?

Beer, please, and vodka on occasion.

beenthere2460  11/23/2011 07:15 AM Report

@Gelles:

You deserve your own planet, let Charlie Rose give it to you. I will take care of your stock of bourbon and Internet connection.

I never mentioned anything about human rights, it is a whole different issue.

ArnoldEvans  11/22/2011 10:27 PM Report

About the Charlie Rose interview: Larijani says that while Iran does not want or need weapons, it is natural for a country with technology to have the capabilities to make a weapon. And Iran would share those capabilities with Saudi Arabia with no problem.

Rose was surprised by that answer. He asked the question almost rhetorically.

That exchange combined two issues on which most Westerners are delusional regarding Iran. 1) The entirely unjustifiable position most Westerners have that Iran should be prevented from having the capabilities that they admit are legal in Germany, Japan and some other NPT countries. 2) This idea they’ve developed that Saudi Arabia’s rivalry with Iran is organic and not instructions Saudi Arabia is following as a colonial subordinate, ultimately on Israel’s behalf. (Just like Saudi Arabia’s previous “rivalry” with secular, Sunni Gamal Abdel Nasser.)

I transcribed part of the interview regarding the nuclear issue at http://mideastreality.blogspot.com/2011/11/mohammad-larijani-on-legal-nuclear.html

barghelame  11/22/2011 09:42 PM Report

Mr Rose:

It must not be easy to to have some one like Mr. Larijani at your table where you know that he will look at your eyes and the camera and tell "lie" that world knows he is telling not the truth.

It is nature of the Islamic Republic to lie to the world and it's own people. I think you take advantage of Mr Larijani's invitation and should travel to Iran, as soon as you can to see if you can have an interview with supreme

leader and Mr Karrubi and Mr Musavi.

It certainly would be very interesting trip and great show. Please keep on doing great job.

Best regards

Ali

Gelles  11/22/2011 04:56 PM Report

Thomas Donnelly of the American Enterprise Institute presents the common sense view that opposes most of the notions of the detail-old-men who preceded him. If you look at 17 minutes 25+ seconds (Out of 25 minutes) of the video, you will hear purpose and affordability presented bu Donnelly.

Donnelly does not mention Keynes or Lerner or functional finance or functional law. But he does explain how human rights must be protected by military might. He presents the American role from the preambles to our Declaration and Constitution that invited Keynesian production to defeat the evils of the mid-20th Century from ending Civilization by force of arms.

PBS Need to Know has risen to the media challenge. Charlie Rose is far behind.

Where is President Obama? In the Video, Romney and Reagan are given credit for wanting peace through strength. That is good, but PEACE FOR WHAT? Peace for human rights? Or Peace for oligarchy (gov't for the rich more than for our Preambles)?

It is Charlie Rose' opportunity to ask for peace for human virtue, life and liberty, for the general welfare and the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity. Success demands that we admit we have money to match our fully employed capital and labor potential to double and triple output of homes, food, care, education, water, hydrogen, etc. But if we budget for misery -- misery will be our reward.

Gelles  11/22/2011 04:24 PM Report

Beenthere looks at this planet and finds America and Iran are nations -- each is as good a custodian of human rights as the other. He cannot believe this notion -- but neither can he understand the opposite.

On PBS this week there was a good examination of much that bears on the issues. You all might enjoy watching it. Please watch:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/video/need-to-know-november-18-2011-the-pentagon-hard-times-hard -choices/12374/

I will return after you see serious thought in the matter.

beenthere2460  11/22/2011 01:39 PM Report

The US government is just getting out of a war in Iraq that was based on DECEIT in order to exert their power and have economic profit. And the question is asked why should Iran have a nuclear weapon? It is very simple, for the same reason the US, Israel, India and Pakistan have one. So no one can go into your backyard and do what they please. Where are the bad guys? Apparently, they are everywhere, just ask your neighbor. As long as the desire to eliminate nuclear capabilities is not asserted with more meaningful peaceful rhetoric, the game is not going to stop.

Why is this so hard to understand Charlie? You know better, it is obvious.

We are not idiots.

.

Gelles  11/22/2011 08:24 AM Report

http://www.outputbasedmoney.info/.crs.htm <<==== guide to recent interviews

Gelles  11/22/2011 08:09 AM Report

Allow me a moment to comment on the appearance of David Brooks and Dov Seidman tonight on the Los Angeles show -- their pictures are posted as most recent guests; but their pages are not ready for comment.

These two generalist writers promote values and behaviors, here in America (and by implication everywhere,) that would reduce excessive narcissism on Earth. Their hope is for growth in the generosity of leaders and followers that is necessary if we are to enjoy the rewards of full employment and economic prosperity in the decades immediately ahead.

Brooks finds that Mitt Romney may be elected. Seidman finds that LRN is a provider of ethics education & compliance training, compliance management applications & legal research, all aimed at corporate audiences. I found them way off track.

They seem to think science will discover how to fine tune cultural influences that result in good versus bad decades, even centuries.

I think it's more a matter of science finding a cure for debt based systems that don't support progressive outcomes.

Output based money, not debt based money, is a practical answer to a practical dilemma:

..... ..... you will not have adequate aggregate supply and demand unless you start with need and work as your guides. In other words, narcissism is a near constant. Monetary systems are in violent flux.

Gelles  11/22/2011 07:45 AM Report

Petition:

"We, the citizens of the world call on the Palestinian and Jewish governments concerned to negotiate in good faith to bring about a two state solution to the anguish of occupation.

"Both peoples have the same human rights, including the right to peace between themselves.

"The future existence of both states must be promised by each to the other.

"The State of Israel has need of its defense forces. The State of Palestine will have need of internal forces to enjoy domestic tranquility over time.

"The details of their treaty will therefore be vital -- and we trust the governments will each acquit themselves with honor. Peace is our objective, not war."

Signed: By people of this world as composed above or better if necessary.

==================

Dear ChongSunWah: thanks for asking me to sign. I certainly want to do as you ask. Please read it and sign -- or make any necessary change. I have varied your words but not your intentions -- I trust.

Signed: John

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/22/2011 02:06 AM Report

He can say what he wants about the power of the Supreme Leader but when you call one guy "Supreme Leader" then I think we already know what the truth is.

Good job Charlie--asking for a date with the Supreme Leader and you didn't even have to use FaceBook.

ChongSunWah  11/22/2011 01:21 AM Report

WHO IS THE LIAR DID YOU NOT READ IN THE INTERNATIONAL PAPER RECENTLY THAT SAID NETANYAHU IS A LIAR AND NOBODY LIKES HIM!

WHEN THE OCCUPATION STOPS, THE TERROR WILL STOP TOO!

YOU WANT THE IRANIANS TO STOP THEIR NUCLEAR DEVELOPMENT VERY SIMPLE ASK BIBI TO STOP PLAYING GAME! THERE MUST A FULL STOP IN THE PEACE AGREEMENT AND THE FULL STOP WAS THE 1993 PEACE AGREEMENT SIGNED BY YITSHAK RABIN IN OSLO!! DID HE DIE FOR NOTHING? WHY HAD HE SIGNED THE PEACE AGREEMENT? BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT ANYMORE PEOPLE TO DIE ON BOTH SIDES CAN'T YOU ALL SEE IT!!

HOW I GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE I TOLD BENAZRAA AND WORLD WATCHER DON'T ARGUE ANYMORE LET BE PRODUCTIVE BY FINDING A SOLUTION TO GET NETANYAHU TO CONCLUDE THE DEAL. SADAT HAD DIE FOR PEACE AND SO HAD RABIN, SO WHO GOING TO DIE NEXT?

Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu has no intention to give the Palestinian people a homeland; can the citizens of the world STOP his plan? http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/27/netanyahu-diplomacy-france-spain/

This petition is not "pro Palestinians"; it is "pro Humanity".

TO BUILD A BETTER WORLD EVERYONE MUST CARE.

I hope to get your support for this Petition for a Palestinian State.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/call-for-support-for-a-palestinian-state.html#sign

The success of the “Arab Spring” tells us that a “Global Spring” is possible to achieve, too. And it can begin with nothing more than a click of your mouse supporting our petition. The Palestinian people need our support, now more than ever, for a “World Spring” to finally achieve a homeland for their people.

On behalf of the Palestinian people, I thank you all very much for your support. Please spread the word.

Love, light, peace, harmony and unity,

Sunflower Chong

Founder of www.worldharmonyday.com

NOW ShalomFreedman you go sign the petition and get JohnGelles to sign too and STOP ATTACKING CHARLIE ROSE!

Look just because my friend in America supportted the petition he got attack by 7 fierce Jewish women. Are you also this kind of Jews do not listen to others view?

7 Jewish women cream my friend head who supported the petition.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.117326048379994.21437.100003077977727&type=1&cmntid=11789418 1656514

From: hair dresser

To: Sunflower Chong

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: Is it over? - Thank you, Sunflower!

Dear Sunflower.

Thank you so much! It is so great to hear from you that my public humiliation was worth it. These women continue to taunt me and threaten to post their own pics (I didn't realize they took any, my head was too creamed to see , and their laughter and the shampooing must have drowned out the sound of a camera!).

Please, dear Sunflower, make me one promise....that every couple of days, you will look at the photo album of my head creaming on your Facebook page just to keep what I went through fresh in your mind....and then, to re-read what you wrote to us:

1) Was I publicly humiliated with the head creaming for nothing? NO IT IS FOR A HIGHER CAUSE

2) Did those Jewish women win by putting me in my place with the shaving cream? They cannot win because we are together.

3) Should I surrender my head to them and admit that I deserved that humiliating creaming? Definitely Not because no one should go through what you had went through

Your public humiliation is worth it and we must continue to fight the cause. We must show to these Jewish women that we are not afraid of them and no one can stop us!

Whenever you get discouraged in your brave fight, please look at the humiliating photos of me and read what you wrote to all of us....please promise that to me and all of us Sunflower....then I am sure my public humiliation at the hands of the Jewish women was worth it....thank you.

Love,

Steve

ShalomFreedman  11/21/2011 11:04 PM Report

Why does Charlie Rose waste our time talking to this serial liar? Iran has been lying to the world and getting away with it for many years. Larijani says nothing new is happening when Iran is building new nuclear sites, accelerating its enrichment of uranium, testing designs for nuclear warheads, building new underground sites to protect its nuclear weapons.

A shame to waste time on a criminal of this kind.

davedewirks  11/21/2011 05:28 PM Report

Why the softball questions, Charlie? What is it about this lying scum that you won't really take the gloves off and press him to explain himself?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/21/2011 05:04 PM Report

'Pro-American means America influences. Pro-Iran means we will be friends.'

Yes let's be friends. No more killing your nuclear scientist. No more crashing your computers used for enrichment.

Now pull down your pants, turn your head and cough my friend.

REMant  11/21/2011 01:02 PM Report

I really don't think the US stance re Iran has much to do with nuclear weapons, and everything to do with the resurgence of a kind of Teddy Roosevelt-style gunboat diplomacy after the break-up of the Soviet Union our historians term American exceptionalism. Like all such enthusiasms evidence that it has no basis seems only to increase it. Worse than that, there is something distinctly self-destructive about it as we clearly see in the Zionist version. It goes far beyond a desire to foster self-determination, belied in any case by our failure to back protests in Bahrain, Palestine, and elsewhere. We have created military commands for all regions of the world, installed a counter-insurgency guru in the CIA, and are busy training Africans and fighting guerrillas in the Philippines, Yemen and Columbia. We are apparently stockpiling weapons in Australia and just this week the president laughably announced sending a company of Marines there.

As a practical matter, just what does the admin think it going to get through the Security Council after Libya? What do they think they are going to get out of turmoil in the Middle East; from these precious "civilians"? These revolts have been joined for a multitude of reasons, but mainly ethnic and religious, and it is unlikely they will benefit this country, even in Syria, where a Shiite govt would be replaced by a Sunni one with strong fundamentalist leanings. Perhaps not even if they get underway in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

No matter the persuasion, the people over there must know that Western-dominated globalization is not for them. That their problems have been made worse by a half-century or more of inflationary Western monetary policy just as in this country, itself. Endless money, Cicero said, forms the sinews of war. There is only one US presidential candidate who has promised to end this adventurism and he is the same one who has promised to cut the banks off at the knees: Ron Paul. That should tell you something. On this question, incidentally, there is a large gap between Republicans nationally and their representatives in Congress, most of whom are neocons.

I notice that Charlie avoided following up the remark that Mousavi was to be characterized as being less friendly to the West and to free trade than Mr Larijani, who has a PhD in Western philosophy. Perhaps because of the aspersions it would cast on the liberalism of our own president and his administration. Mousavi, who has allied himself with the youth movements, thinks he will find a friend here. Since he is known to have revered Che Guevara, maybe they are birds of a feather. Nevertheless, as is often the case with extremists, he flip-flopped, and is now often hailed as the "architect" of the Islamic Republic, its prime minister during the '80s. But he still backs Iran's nuclear program. Certainly he will find little independence in an American alliance, because there can only be one emperor.