Charlie Rose

SharkswithfrikingLazers  05/08/2012 02:51 AM Report

Well done. Great ending:

http://youtu.be/OxoUUbMii7Q

Shows "The Three Little Pigs" as if done by Shakespeare with an American ending.

However, incorrectly stated--Shakespeare did NOT have not a working vocabulary of 54,000 words--perhaps half of that.

"Anti-Stratfordians also question how Shakespeare, with no record of the education and cultured background displayed in the works bearing his name, could have acquired the extensive vocabulary found in the plays and poems. The author's vocabulary is calculated to be between 17,500 and 29,000 words.[43]"

The low figure of 17,500 is that of Manfred Scheler. The upper figure 29,000, from Marvin Spevack, is true only if all word forms (cat and cats counted as two different words, for example), compound words, emendations, variants, proper names, foreign words, onomatopoeic words, and deliberate malapropisms are included.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Education_and_literacy

Charlie, you probably would have found the Bard too talkative if he was trying to use all those words.

meestycat  11/21/2011 02:16 PM Report

I enjoyed the program, but thought the assembled guests gave too little attention to the much changed Hamlet who returns from England ready for action and to the noble Hamlet who has always been there in his openness to strangeness,in his exchange of forgiveness with Laertes,in his admonition to Polonius to treat the players according to his own honor and dignity rather than their their just deserts. |Perhaps these important elements in Hamlet's character will come up at another time.

Also- how can I correct the misspelling of my first name?

Marian Shaw Lipschutz

winter  11/20/2011 10:18 AM Report

Our revels now are ended. These our actors,

As I have foretold you, were all spirits and

Are melted into air, into thin air;

And like the baseless Fabric of this vision,

The cloud capped towers, the gorgeous palaces,

The solemn temples, The great globe itself

Yea all which it inherit, shall dissolve

And like this insubstantial pageant faded.

Leave not a rack behind, we are such stuff

as dreams are made on, and our little life

is rounded with a sleep.

The Tempest

Act 4, Scene 1

Like listening to Beethoven at 2am, headphones and alone and realizing, "...so thats what all the hubbub is about Beethoven.

govaffco  11/16/2011 09:32 PM Report

"Citing 'evidence'is so snobbish and élitist..." Eric Idle [or Michael Palin] on Shakespeare... http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2011/11/21/111121sh_shouts_idle

ShalomFreedman  11/15/2011 07:30 AM Report

I appreciate what Charlie Rose is trying to do here but I am not sure he chose the right way for doing it. How to best appreciate and know what Shakespeare is cannot of course come from a one- hour investment, not even in the 'Charlie Rose' show. It must come from many hours of reading, studying , learning the writing itself. Experts are fine but often one good one in and by himself is better than a little of this, and a little of that. Also the business of showing small clips from Shakespeare's work is somehow not satisfactory. Too brief, too cut of, too without context. Of the village explainers Harold Bloom in all his wonderful pomposity magnifies and exalts as no one else can. Greenblat knows his stuff and is informative. The bit on the change in the burial service fifty years before Shakespeare's time was instructive. I suppose the best tribute word to Shakespeare was made by Borges who said simply 'After God he created most'. Perhaps he should have added 'in literature'. Nonetheless a word of commendation to Charlie Rose for understanding here that there as things important in life as the ongoing current affairs struggles.

blank  11/14/2011 10:27 PM Report

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blank  11/14/2011 10:24 PM Report

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blank  11/14/2011 10:23 PM Report

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blank  11/14/2011 10:04 PM Report

okay sorry about the message below don't pay attention i got carried away in the middle of the night the wording is all wrong it only works momentarily then i heard some guy just forget ituuuuugh the point is clear but the wording is wrong just forget all this shakespeare thing was cool especially later in the show i like some of the other ones the shakespeare plays about fairies and stuff life that are pretty cool grass and trees also "the tempest" that was a good movie that just came out recently maybe a year ago visually and audio was good would reccomend just don't pay attention to below i got overwhelmed by something i will like i knew not to post it anyway i have to go this is rushed

AQQ  11/14/2011 10:01 PM Report

I appreciate the western canon as much as anyone, but even I was a bit wind-blown by all the hot air in these interviews. Unchecked adulation. Mr Rose, please endeavor to introduce more nuance and insightful ~criticism~ into interviews like this. We wish to understand Shakespeare, not worship him.

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finalfantasytown  11/12/2011 11:13 PM Report

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aussiebach  11/12/2011 09:58 AM Report

Mentioning Steve Jobs and William Shakespeare as being linked in any way is amazing to me. ]:]:]: {that's so you will understand - no wrong spelling to confuse - good grief!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, Shakespeare never authored anything, he wrote plays. Steve Jobs would have bent his knee to Shakespeare if he had any respect for language, which he probably didn't, come to think of it.

finalfantasytown  11/12/2011 01:53 AM Report

I completely agree that Steve Jobs has maken great contribution to the language perfectly, same as Shakespeare had done. When imaging when Steve Jobs tried to translate ideas with modern technology time and time again, it is clear to understand his mission from GOD. Superman

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/11/2011 02:29 PM Report

Charlie, where was the question about Shakespeare in relation to Steve Jobs? Will this be the only night this week without a Steve Jobs question?

Now let me try the same two questions in middle English to glam it up a bit:

Oh Charles good man, doth thou not mind the immortal man of i in sight of a simple wordsmith? Has not one moon been lost to the dear breast of "The One"?

(Oh how I pleasure myself.)

REMant  11/11/2011 11:40 AM Report

As I wrote when we first heard from Prof Greenblatt Oct 27, as good theater as Shakespeare is, it should in no way be taken as seriously as its admirers, particularly the academic ones, would have it. Messiah, to take a similar example, is undoubtedly a masterwork, but hardly sprung up sui generis nor was it written in a vacuum, and no one would suggest Handel did not have pecuniary motives. Nor certainly was Will a proto-Whig, as Ms Gaines intimated, or if so, one distinctly of the Court variety.

England was a nation earlier than most of its neighbors, but at this time just beginning to find its commercial footing. And Shakespeare was a pansy like many of his compatriots, and particularly those of his friends, who could get away with it more easily. All that eroticism would not appear to have been addressed to a wife or mistress. These two factors go a long way to explaining how and why the plays were written.

This was a time of great controversy over usury as well as religious reform. In Hamlet we find: "Neither a borrower or a lender be...borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry." Monarchical profligacy and its involvement with moneylenders had been an issue throughout the previous century (see R H Tawney http://www.cesc.net/adobeweb/scholars/tawney/tawney.pdf for a history of this, and S T Bindoff's is still a good introduction to Tudor England stressing economic issues). It was the quest for more and more income, which precipitated successive parliamentary crises. Thus the admonition is made by Polonius, likely a stand-in for William Cecil, Elizabeth's conscientious minister.

James I, Shakespeare's patron, fellow Catholic, and friend it appears, was, of course, at the center of the question of divine right, and came up with a quite modern answer, one Newton would appreciate - the king was, like God, an unmoved mover - which unfortunately his still more "modern" subjects would have none of, issuing eventually in revolution. Many of the monarchy's opponents ironically were its former supporters: London's tradesmen. But an unmoved mover is also a superfluous one. This may account for Will's attention to his contemporary Holinshed's histories. It certainly IMHO has a lot to do with Hamlet. And it surely ought to resonate today.

So again: "[Hamlet] may be, rather obviously, a commentary on events surrounding the life of James I, subject of many intrigues, which, if true, should interest historians. The bookish James, who acceded to the English throne in 1603, with the assistance of his friend Robert Cecil, was apparently on friendly terms with Shakespeare's "beloved" Southampton, and the king's wife, Anne of Denmark (Protestant, but opposed by Elizabeth), whose father enlarged the castle at Elsinore, was a theater buff. Shakespeare, who was chided for his pretensions, and his company were not only absolved, like Southampton, of involvement in the Essex affair, but also were elevated to "Grooms of the Chamber," and henceforth known as "The King's Men." Hamlet wore the royal imprimatur when it was published a year later.

Altho the Bard avoided direct political references after Essex's attempted coup against Elizabeth, (he wrote Othello, Macbeth and King Lear at this time), this play may well have been aimed at her and her ministers. When he was very young, James's father, Lord Darnley, had been murdered, apparently at his mother Mary, Queen of Scot's behest, allegedly because of his Protestant ties, and Mary either took up with, or was coerced by, the man many believed to have done the job, so, perhaps, the motive for revenge, and Hamlet's indecisiveness. (As it happened, that man, the Earl of Bothwell, was later taken captive by Frederick II of Denmark, Anne's father, who chained him to a pillar where he remained for a decade until he died.) But James was never much of a Protestant, despite his interest in the English crown, nor, it seems, very heterosexual. It has been suggested, as well, that Essex's rivals, William Cecil (Elizabeth's minister, who had Mary executed) and son, Robert (who became James's spymaster) were the models for Polonious and, his son, Laertes, tho in the context of trying to prove that daughter Anne Cecil's husband, the Earl of Oxford, authored the plays, which no longer seems creditable."

Altho I've now posted the above three times, it was done initially entirely for fun and nothing more. I have an acquaintance with the plays and the times, but I am not trying to set myself up as an expert.