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JohnGelles  11/02/2011 07:00 PM Report

Chawlynose~

I have been imagining a forum that could go viral -- but I have been SO WRONG on the merits of a viral forum.

I have been imagining thousands of reader-collaborators, when such a forum would choke from too much input almost instantly.

My idea was to have every collaborator able to broadcast -- but have none of them burdened to read/listen to more than a RESTATEMENT of several consensus versions of all that input.

The idea is CRAZY unless you have restatement editing writers to catch ALL the input and restate it into a few significantly different versions FROM THE BEGINNING.

Specifically: The book "Giving 2.0" by Laura Arrillaga Andreessen, tells us how to give more than we take, the Amazon forum on the Kindle may tell us how to use the Amazon Cloud to record and store for free much of what we need, and my input and yours might make sense of QUANTITATIVE EASING and the Bernanke - Obama team to finance full recovery tomorrow.

But this imagined thought experiment (or mad hatter's vision) starts in the Charlie Rose archive which is focused on CR and not recovery tomorrow.

So I'm beginning to see the light: there isn't any "there" there or "here" here.

Chawlynose: when CR says "important", he pronounces it "imPOUGHtent". I go through the roof. It must be his NOSE. And YOU have discovered it.

If anyone HERE has ideas on how to go viral and not regret it, please help.

chawlynose  11/02/2011 08:49 AM Report

@ JohnGelles 11/02/2011 08:24 AM

I'd rather read your book than chris mathews's

JohnGelles  11/02/2011 08:24 AM Report

Kennedy and I were young officers in the Navy in WWII. When it ended, I was 20 and he was 28.

His boat was sunk by a Japanese Destroyer. My LST had been part of the Invasion Fleet but had never been in combat. He was nearly killed in action. I was not. He became our president. I voted for him.

That was then and this is now. If he were alive, he'd be 94. He might still be President if it were up to me.

Presidents should be elected by the people with no limit to their terms set by long dead other people. Queen Elisabeth still serves, with no limit on how long.

Without FDR and Churchill, the world is a lesser place. When we lose our heroes, what we have left is books. Some say Chris Matthews has brought one back to life.

chawlynose  11/02/2011 07:34 AM Report

... I just love it when he starts talking about "the mood of the country".ewwww He probably get's his inside information from the guy cuts his grass. . What a Shaman

chawlynose  11/02/2011 07:20 AM Report

... and if so?. WHY??!

because it's True :(

chawlynose  11/02/2011 07:18 AM Report

I don't care much for Chris Matthews. If that's a crime, then I'm guilty. Guilty of being repulsed by pompous endless self-promoting 'SENSATIONALISM'. This guy is such a Lush. He's a nerd desperately trying to be liked. He's a white grown-up version of 'Erkel'. Only he's not funny.

He's a flaming far left liberal, but remember back when it was cool to be conservative, he was trying to come across as conservative, with fake, hokey, Norman Rockwell, mom-pop-apple-pie-baseball-red-white&blue bulltalk. He's a joke. Only he's not funny.

Is that so wrong?

JohnGelles  11/02/2011 06:52 AM Report

I plan to get the audio version of this book. I watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC every day. Matthews is on our side in the struggle for fair outcomes that politics invites. The story of JFK's need for company and political dreams is a welcome one. People who do not enjoy good company are not my preference. Sartre said "Hell is other people." He was right. But "Heaven is also other people."

How can both statements be true? Easy. We are talking of DIFFERENT people. I'm a heaven type. Most people are.

But there are some hellish types. Avoid them if possible. And really try hard not to elect them to office or imitate their ways and beliefs.

Glick  11/02/2011 04:38 AM Report

Charlie, we know you're smart. Stop interrupting your guests. You trampled on so many of Chris Matthews' lines so that we heard neither of you.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 01:54 AM Report

He dumped his wife to go to a football game on his HONEYMOON?

Sorry Chris that statement deafened me to the glorification.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 01:51 AM Report

We were told that Jack once said, “I wish I had more good days.” A lot of his life was in pain. Six provocaine shots a day and last rites three times.

We were also told Jack was on steroids, testosterone, amphetamines.

Chris, this really doesn't sound so good. When was it Jack and when was it the pharmacy? You say his love life outside marriage might have been the pharmacy. So what else was the pharmacy for the Supreme Commander and Chief?

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 01:43 AM Report

What is the "stud book" and why is it funny? Sorry I didn't catch this reference.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 01:42 AM Report

Chris said twice that they had a marriage. I think if he would have said it a third time he might start believing it because later on he said he was disappointed in the Jackie relationship.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 01:39 AM Report

Charlie, I am glad you doubled back and asked about the source material. Chris said he went somewhere and saw a book that presumably no one else had seen.

I think this angle is important to the back story of the book.

tabs  11/01/2011 03:47 PM Report

Part II or

WHO DROPPED THE DIME ON HERMAN

Last weekend past allegations that Presidential candidate Herman Cain was guilty of sexual harassment was reported upon by the media. The intent is clear and that is to dislodge a serious contender for the GOP nomination from his front runner status. The question then, is who done it?

Fox News is spinning the story, that it was the Obama/Liberal camp that was the culprit in the matter? This is being done by Fox to make it seem that President Obama and friends have no shame nor scruples. The other likely choice as to who dropped the dime on Herman would be one of the other GOP candidates for the nomination. One would think that the President would have little to gain by divulging this information at this moment in time as it would be better to save it until the main event. So the question becomes which of the other GOP candidates would have the most to gain by divulging information of this nature. The obvious suspect becomes a matter of who is number two and can't quite get the traction to become number one no matter how hard he tries. That person has further motive as he was previously thwarted from achieving his burning ambition to become President. So rather than see the nomination slip through his fingers once again, he went to the black book that every candidate has of every dirty deed, deal and shameful act that their political rivals have committed in the past. That folks is ones number one suspect on who done dropped the dime on Herman.

basile13  11/01/2011 03:45 PM Report

Tabs, please name the regulations that Obama has really imposed. The only meaningful regulations are in Dodd/Frank, which regulates the financial industry which primarily caused the financial crisis, and do not go far enough. The cost of regulations under Obama average about $6-$7 billion a year, while they averaged over $11 billion a year for Reagan and Bush senior. Please name a tax that Obama has raised.

In fact, one of the problems that California had was not that they just spent too much money (while still cutting education, which is meaningful spending), but they also do not tax enough to warrant their spending. It takes a super-majority to pass increased taxation, with only a simply majority to pass spending bills. Also, direct propositions are voted on by the people, who vote for most spending projects while never voting to increase their taxes (the failure of direct democracy). Lastly, do you really think California has an innovation problem, have you used your iPod at all, or how about your iPad. Ever heard of the Tesla Roadster, solar panels, etc. or Silicon Valley in general.

What appeasement are you talking about? Obama has not appeased anyone, he has barely gone into diplomatic talks. Where have we lost our sovereignty because of Obama, or anywhere at all. You can't just spit out bullshit like this and then not have anything to back it up.

We tax the wealthy at their lowest levels since WWII, but you think that we are now just beginning to hurt the 'job-creators'. Taxes under this president are lower than they were under Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, and Richard Nixon. Are these guys socialists too? Obama has even addressed tax reform and lowering the corporate tax rate (which I would agree inhibits SMALL businesses, not large MNCs). Taxation is the price for civilization, and if you do not want taxes, you are perfectly obliged to go to Somalia (its a hyperbole, but an apt one). Obama has been one of the most centrists presidents we have ever had in the modern era (more so than Bill Clinton, whom conservatives hated for being socialists in the 1990s and now idolize as a 'good' democrat).

tabs  11/01/2011 01:25 PM Report

Most men do not think of themsleves as being Heros, they were just there when there was a need for something to be done. Further it is not becoming the man you want to be, but letting yourself be the person who you are.

So Mr Mathews you no longer feel that "Tingle running up your leg" when you think of Obama. The question is Mr Mathews how did someone of your professional political experience be so taken in? You can not say no one warned you, you can not say the signs were not all over the place. This Mr Mathews goes to your veracity and credibility, for who is going to listen to your endorsements in the future when you got is so wrong about Obama.

The following was posted to the Charlie Rose Board on or about 6/9/08

Welcome to Obamaination.

Mon, 06/09/2008 - 22:45 — tabs

Bama comes off as a pretty even steven type of guy..one that can put aside his own ideology for the sake of getting things done. I have seen that in him...

HOWEVER all those Liberal Dems along with his backers, once they get in power will push for things that no one in their right mind would try and get. In other words like Grey Davis (recalled ex CA govenator) the CA Legislature had a mind of its own and pushed things through that that Davis told them to leave alone. BAMA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THEM>>>>

That is what is coming with Bama and the Dems... Just consider the USA as being Californication plus some...More Business Regs, More Taxes, More Environmental, More Bureaucracy, More Handouts, More Spending, More Appeasement and loss of sovereignty, and less choice... In other words a Socialist paradise on the order of the UK in the 60's....Business, innovation , and creativity simply went away... to an eventual implosion of the system as with the Soviet Union.

America will sink into a 4th world malaise....The 4th world is a post industrial nation that is suffering from over regulation, taxes to the point where business has become moribund... a state of being burned out...a state where there is chronic under employment with the dole supporting the whole rotten mess.

It is called tax the productive to pay the unproductive. Social redistribution of wealth downward...

So the Socialist experiment continues....and finally guess who is going to pay for all this social redistribution...The Wealthy...not a chance, they will simply go off shore...the moderately wealthy and Middle Class is going to get stuck for the bill. There will be an over class of elitists and the rest of us...the under classssss. Welcome to the world of Obamaination

REMant  11/01/2011 10:58 AM Report

Sounds like a decent account of the man for a change. But I'd question how unique he was or any of them is. The elusiveness Matthews finds I think reflects the earliest perception of party difference in the country, which he touched on in talking about Obama. Republicans, or rather Federalists, expected their virtue to be honored and asked to serve. Democrats felt no one disinterested and campaigned for votes. It still is largely the difference. The conclusion would be, of course, that Kennedy was not a Democrat.

No matter what their feelings, I have to feel both Jack and Jackie saw their marriage in political terms, but that's not so different from what used to happen in "society" generally. All of it tho was thought pretty strange at the time, and somewhere I still have my Kennedy parody LP, The First Family http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Family_(album)

The significant thing about Romney's statistical fortunes is that it makes clear 75% of Republicans dislike him.