Charlie Rose

nonwo  01/30/2012 08:02 PM Report

Hedges was exceptional except, for his left handed comment on "gun culture". Obviously he misunderstands the fundamental law and right. It is because all able bodied are automatically in the "militia". The framers (assuming Hedges is a U.S. citizen) set up the Union to be a free state - all the people to remain free of tyranny from foreign or domestic enemies. Therefore, what good can a militia do to repel an invading enemy force without arms? That, Hedges and Ms Goodman is the reason for the 2d Amendment, Fed. Const., 1787/1791. The framework was instituted since the colonists just came off a rebellion against the world's greatest power and clearly saw the need for a citizen army. You can call it "gun culture" all you want, however, the fact is the armed militia severed British rule and is the law. That same militia is a deterrent against the shadow elite from usurping the people's liberty as we plainly see going on. If the people retain rights, why would you denigrate those rights, including "to keep and bear arms"? That is keeping them safe, free, and sovereign. We must be jealously fighting for all our rights and surrendering none. Of course, you may personally relinquish any or all your rights but, not mine or that of any other patriot. Positively, I object to you taking away any of my rights, especially my right to arms.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/28/2011 10:50 PM Report

GOALS OF THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT

C-SPAN November 19th for 41:30 minutes

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Jw

MY NOTES:

Charlie, Amin Husain was born a Muslim but does not practice. He became a finance attorney making $250K a year for about five years and chose poverty and now is an organizer for Occupy Wall Street. (This back story is quite interesting for who you might think would be an organizer.)

End game, goal (though everyone speaks for themselves):

Breaking link between global capital and state,

link between government and money (banks),

getting money out of politics.

Goal is for the 99% to think about a solution.

Non-violent movement but this does not mean no transgression. Taking of the Brooklyn Bridge was to send a message.

The difference between the right to assembly vs the right to occupy? Occupy is to create a space for conversation by occupying or liberating a space.

Two of those calling in on the Republican phone line echoed Newt Gringrich: get a job and clean up after yourself.

MICHAEL MOORE IS ALSO GETTING INVOLVED:

Tuesday, November 22nd, 2011

Last weekend I (Michael Moore) participated in a four-hour meeting of Occupy Wall Street activists whose job it is to come up with the vision and goals of the movement. It was attended by 40+ people and the discussion was both inspiring and invigorating. Here is what we ended up proposing as the movement's "vision statement" to the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street:

We Envision: [1] a truly free, democratic, and just society; [2] where we, the people, come together and solve our problems by consensus; [3] where people are encouraged to take personal and collective responsibility and participate in decision making; [4] where we learn to live in harmony and embrace principles of toleration and respect for diversity and the differing views of others; [5] where we secure the civil and human rights of all from violation by tyrannical forces and unjust governments; [6] where political and economic institutions work to benefit all, not just the privileged few; [7] where we provide full and free education to everyone, not merely to get jobs but to grow and flourish as human beings; [8] where we value human needs over monetary gain, to ensure decent standards of living without which effective democracy is impossible; [9] where we work together to protect the global environment to ensure that future generations will have safe and clean air, water and food supplies, and will be able to enjoy the beauty and bounty of nature that past generations have enjoyed.

(If there were a Tea Party merger, as was discussed on the C-SPAN interview, then look out . . .)

ChongSunWah  11/22/2011 08:55 AM Report

occum 10/27/2011 01:18 PM Report

I am not an anti-semite--but not united nations making palestine a state is courageous--I didn't know where to post this--but the Israelis-have been treating the palestinians like the Nazis had terated them in WWII

Hello occum,

I hope to get your support for this Petition for a Palestinian State.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/call-for-support-for-a-palestinian-state.html#sign

Capitalism is a good system because it motivate one to excel but what is lacking is a heart that CARE. Once we get this balance this world will be kinder and a caring one.

Let me share this thought from this Englishman. He agreed Palestinian people should have a homeland said he would sign in after give him the site he did not signed in and send me this note,

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:56 PM

Subject: RE: Must change strategy

It would be nice to think that it might ……

I think the future of our planet is largely about finding a balance.

Capitalism necessary – our world doesn’t work and wont progress if there is no reward for the motivated.

The notion that all men should be equal is very commendable – but also totally unrealistic. All men are NOT equal. Some are more driven than others, some are smarter than others, some wish to lead, some wish to be led.

Without capitalism, we’d still all be going to work on a horse, our infant mortality rate would be 10 times higher than it is and our life expectancy would be 35 years.

We all bemoan the “state’ of our world today – but, we can never forget that, in many, many respects, it’s actually hugely better than it used to be.

Singapore is a fantastic example of just that. Balanced Capitalism with Social Responsibility. And it flourishes as a result.

Israel has numerous unacceptable flaws – but so does Palestine.

I hope they can find their balance – and I hope that the rest of the world can give them the tools and the support to do so.

JohnGelles, you are a clever man you write very well. I am still waiting for you to sign the petition. I will follow you until you sign your BIG name for peace to be a reality very soon.

Doodah, can you support the petition?

But how come now your name is Doodahdays?

love Sunflower

Arby  11/17/2011 12:48 AM Report

Regarding mainstream - corporate owned - media. On the subject of wall street vs main street, I don't expect soldiers in the class war to point their guns away from the people. On the contrary. By pointing out what is actually obvious and rather irrelevant, namely the fact that many OWS protesters are not eloquent or informed, establishment reps imply that they have nothing to complain about. They are just a bewildered herd and will deserve it when agents of our 'law and order' governments grow impatient with their aimless wandering and braying and herd them. Capitalists - todays brand - of course don't need any sort of herding. They need freedom, which is why the White House's current main occupant, a bigger recipient of money from the financial industry than his contenders, refused to regulate them despite the trampling of the 99% (let's say) they did. If people are dumb, it's by design, partly. Yes, They have some responsibility. The corporatist, technocratic system doesn't want educated, critically thinking citizens, who might get ideas about how to run things and even force a revisit of the current paradigm of 'riches for the strongest', a contradiction in terms in fact 'if' we are not design to eat each other in order to survive. It's a money system. You can't get free accommodations. You can't get free groceries. Etc. Money means life - survival in all respects. Taking the means of survival from others just because you've chose to do that, just because you're macho and want to prove that there is no god but you and in order to have glory by forcing your victims to notice you means that... they will notice you. And they don't have to be Noam Chomsky in order to get that they are being bitten by rabid dogs.

orbit7er  11/13/2011 11:37 PM Report

One thing which has to be recognized is that we are at Peak Oil and Peak Everything. It was truly inspiring that when the cops stole the diesel generators from Occupy Wall Street that they had the creativity and foresight to get bicycle generators!

It is way past time for people like Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges and hopefully soon, Noam Chomsky, to get on Charlie Rose.

Meanwhile my own job has been eliminated as my whole group was cut while the CEO of my company gave himself a 20% raise in the face of a shareholder resolution opposing his raise by investors concerned with Corporate responsibility.

It was even written up in the New York Times.

I went to get more leaf bags to cleanup from the debris from

our latest New Jersey climate disaster with the Halloween snowstorm and it turned out the person who has always given me good advice had just been laid off from his weekday job.

He thought too that New Jersey's Hurricane, floods, and Halloween disaster where proof of Climate Change.

The cashier at the liquor store in Denville which suffered

major damage from the Hurricane Irene Climate Change disaster was totally sympathetic with concerns about Climate Change and the desperate need for Green Transit.

Apparently New Delhi, India is capable of building a subway but in the Auto-Addicted USA we cannot even run our existing trains. 150 Green Transit systems across the USA

have had cuts including Denville's cuts of 30% to Hoboken since 2008.

For proof of the solidarity with the Occupy movement this past Friday at our unbroken Peace Vigil since 9/11/2001 Occupy Morristown showed up and the coffeeshop across the street sent free coffee in sympathy with our cause!

Change is coming and it is beyond the comprehension of the Corporate elite...

orbit7er  11/13/2011 11:37 PM Report

One thing which has to be recognized is that we are at Peak Oil and Peak Everything. It was truly inspiring that when the cops stole the diesel generators from Occupy Wall Street that they had the creativity and foresight to get bicycle generators!

It is way past time for people like Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges and hopefully soon, Noam Chomsky, to get on Charlie Rose.

Meanwhile my own job has been eliminated as my whole group was cut while the CEO of my company gave himself a 20% raise in the face of a shareholder resolution opposing his raise by investors concerned with Corporate responsibility.

It was even written up in the New York Times.

I went to get more leaf bags to cleanup from the debris from

our latest New Jersey climate disaster with the Halloween snowstorm and it turned out the person who has always given me good advice had just been laid off from his weekday job.

He thought too that New Jersey's Hurricane, floods, and Halloween disaster where proof of Climate Change.

The cashier at the liquor store in Denville which suffered

major damage from the Hurricane Irene Climate Change disaster was totally sympathetic with concerns about Climate Change and the desperate need for Green Transit.

Apparently New Delhi, India is capable of building a subway but in the Auto-Addicted USA we cannot even run our existing trains. 150 Green Transit systems across the USA

have had cuts including Denville's cuts of 30% to Hoboken since 2008.

For proof of the solidarity with the Occupy movement this past Friday at our unbroken Peace Vigil since 9/11/2001 Occupy Morristown showed up and the coffeeshop across the street sent free coffee in sympathy with our cause!

Change is coming and it is beyond the comprehension of the Corporate elite...

whatdoIknow  11/12/2011 09:36 AM Report

This was an interesting and informative discussion on Occupy Wall Street, and then they chose to misinform about and show their dislike of the Tea Party movement. For me, discredits them both in one fell swoop.

jepa  11/11/2011 05:36 PM Report

Just want to give a quick thumbs up for the choice of guests. Each time it is like discovering a rare gem to find alternative voices in the media who are given adequate time to respond. Always a pleasure to hear adult conversation. How sad that this isn't mainstream stuff.

ProudPrimate  11/11/2011 11:55 AM Report

Amy has been pulling this Gospel Plow tirelessly for twenty years (fifteen with DN!), and she positively glows with pride over this nest of baby birds all over the world that she has been a mother hen to. No other venue can really compare with her work, collecting a crew of great talent, but single-handedly leading and "breaking the sound barrier".

Chris Hedges with sang froid tells Charlie Rose: "American workers are being told that they somehow have to be competitive in a global market. Well, what it means is, we have to be competitive with prison labor in China. And that reconfiguration into an oligarchic corporate state is al - ready - far - advanced." says Hedges, a tenuto of stress on each of those last words. But the most telling moment for me, take a look at it, is after Hedges continues, "So, I think these people are very clear that we cannot sustain ourselves both — not only as a society but even as a species if we don't confront the corporate state" at which point Charlie Rose's visibly and consciously kept back what is all too often in such contexts a perfunctory nod of assent, not to disagree, but in effect measuring the solemnity of what just passed.

Amy: "These pundits on television who know *so little* about *so much*." What an eloquent statement.

Hedges uses the word "decapitate", which is the missing ingredient in the other expressions I've heard as to why leaderless is better. "It makes it very hard for the authorities to decapitate it." Concise and exact, a term that gets to the mechanics of the ideological struggle.

Amy closes out the clip with a litany of Obama's failures to fulfill his promises. But she finishes with this brilliant vignette that epitomizes what Obama quoted from Belafonte, quoting Eleanor, during the campaign, "Go out and MAKE ME DO IT":

CHARLIE ROSE: What do you expect from Obama?

AMY GOODMAN: What do I expect? How do I expect him to respond to this? For me, looking at this as a journalist, I am much more interested in movements, and how movements respond. I don't think any of this is about one person. You know, I think the world heaved a sigh of relief when he was elected. For so long people felt they were hitting their heads against brick walls. Now the wall was a door, the door was open a crack, and the question was, "would it be kicked open, or slammed shut?"

But that kicking open is the responsibility of movements, not one person. Y'know, if he's sitting in the Oval Office, and those who are used to having the ear of the most powerful person on earth are whispering in his ear, if he can't point out the office window of the Oval Office and say, "if I do that, they will storm the Bastille", if there's no one out there, he's in big trouble. Sometimes he may not want anyone out there, but it sure looks like the — crowds are gathering. They're informed, they're concerned, and they're determined."

CHARLIE ROSE: Thank you.

vanflight  11/09/2011 03:42 AM Report

Absolutly one of the best Q&A's with Amy Goodman.

REDANDEAD2  11/08/2011 07:07 PM Report

That was a fine discussion- very clear and informed.

Ozmal  11/08/2011 02:22 AM Report

How refreshing. For once not the usual pontificators. Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges tell it like it is.

IrishRose1015  11/07/2011 07:41 PM Report

Great interview. It's good to see the OWS story given space for expression rather than just the usual soundbyte disinformation coverage. We are a society at the breaking point. The OWS movement is refusing to be fed anymore Kool_Aid.

winter  11/07/2011 01:25 PM Report

OWS is screaming fire in a burning theater but all the exits are blocked and the theater is sound proofed to the outside. Where are the jobs? They've migrated to paths of least resistence where a bag of rice a day will translate into offshore tax shelters and Freedom provides

the first line of defense for how our gangsters do business. Organized crime has evolved to become institutionalized crime. Blessed is our Speaker of the House since it is he who covers for the check writers.

defekt  11/07/2011 07:41 AM Report

If I may,

The Wall St firms ARE your goverment. If you do not know what I mean by that then PLEASE study the setup and fail of S&L's from 1980's to present-day in the US. There are MANY books covering this. READ NOW and GET informed

At this point, there is no possibility for INTERNAL reform without MUCH pressure (revolution) from the People of the United States and all others who fathom the severity of the issue.

Presidents probably do not side with the bankers of their own free will, rather THEY ARE FORCED to do so. Wall St spends billions of dollars on lobbying the president and federal financial regulators. WALL STREET HAS OCCUPIED THE US GOVERNMENT and helped to draft legislature which have effectively amputated the limbs of financial regulation. YOU MUST, in turn, OCCUPY WALL STREET.

DavidJCCooper  11/06/2011 08:15 PM Report

After reading Ron Suskind's "Confidence Men" I was looking for a simple overview to describe the current state of affairs. The "if it feels good, do it" mentality of the sixties came to mind. At the time there was all kinds of experimentation including illegal child-pornography and pedophilia. Thirty years later the chickens came home to roost for clergy and teachers who were caught in the backlash. Statutes of limitations were suspended and laws made to allow prosecution, and many profited from the campaign to eliminate the perceived evil. It seemed to me that the same procedure could be followed for the market libertines of Wall Street. Tighten up the rules to correct the system, eliminate any statute of limitations, criminalize the fraudulent use of derivatives, CDO's, repos, etc. and systematically pick off those responsible for the current meltdown. The process would be highly profitable for the criminal justice system and vigilantes of anti-Americanism would receive a new infusion of energy as the treasonous behavior of those who sold American manufacturing down the river are brought to justice. It's called a witch hunt, but it would be a very effective deterrent to any future fantasies of greed. The "Occupy" movement is wondering where to go next. Armed revolution is out of the question, but using the attitudes and tools available from the attack on sexual deviance to go after the even more serious problem of economic perversion looks to me like a plan.

mistermaster  11/04/2011 12:25 PM Report

With all the bad conduct by banks, credit unions are a much better option for keeping your money out of the hands of the banksters. Why give your money to someone who doesn’t respect you or your financial health? See what I’m talking about at learnmore.asmarterchoice.org. There’s info about making the switch, too.

blynch  11/04/2011 09:51 AM Report

Thank you for hosting two of the leading journalistic voices for social/economic justice in our current media environment. Your intelligent discussion provides a welcome break from the generally banal coverage that comes from the corporate/mass media of this important 'OCCUPY' movement as it spreads internationally.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/03/2011 02:01 PM Report

You can vote on a billboard design but I have yet to see one on ANTI-CORRUPTION.

"We need a minimum of 20K VOTES for EpicStep to fund our billboard. However, if we hit 100K VOTES, EpicStep has agreed to purchase the ad space on a massive billboard right in the heart of Times Square! Times Square!"

http://www.epicstep.com/campaign/337/occupytogether-occupywallst-billboard/

You can also upload your design once you register.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/02/2011 04:02 AM Report

Both do about the same interviews but the conclusions are very different:

Glenn Beck's take: http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=19882747&topic_id&v=3&tcid=fb_video_19882747

Jon Oliver's take: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-18-2011/the-99-?xrs=share_copy

Then there is John Stossel who is out in right field:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/john-stossel-occupy-wall-street-heckled_n_1019826.html

hkcho  11/01/2011 03:21 AM Report

If mainstream media continues to interview reputable journalists and authors that actually informs instead of the talking heads, I'll tune in more. More on Occupy Movements please!

alex_gaydos  10/31/2011 09:06 PM Report

Before seeing the Charlie Rose interviews (this and the October 13th episode), I had a vague allergy to the Occupy Wallstreet movement. I'm generally opposed to group protests, as I find them reactionary and unnuanced. But I find myself compelled by the integrity and intelligence of the protestors. Their lack of cohesive vision and specific demands represents an admirable admission of ignorance and asserts a desire for more information.

While institutions (government and corporations) are responsible for implementing the corrupt policies protestors are opposing, the public is ultimately responsible for enabling them. For too long many people were satisfied to allow others to design, manage, and manipulate the complex global financial system they were ultimately participating in.

Now that the inequality and instability of this system have come to light, people are dissatisfied. To change it requires an understanding of how this complex system functions and the creative re-envisioning of how it might better exist.

It seems like an exciting opportunity for people to revisit the ownership and responsibility that's an inherent part of participating in a democracy.

JohnGelles  10/31/2011 07:16 PM Report

Experiment below is posted for correction and re-write at www.ustaxreform.us/.barter.htm

This C.Rose Show discussion is linked at www.ustaxreform.us/.crs.htm

JohnGelles  10/31/2011 07:04 PM Report

If all our needs could be satisfied by barter, and barter trades were supported by infinite computer furnished clerical power, what you needed would be communicated to producer-consumer matching engines, and there would be no unemployment anywhere.

This is a thought experiment -- do not reject it out of hand.

If the matching engines were able to re-do training and skills achievement, need would be largely satisfied without banks and governments siphoning off heavy costs in producer labor.

The invention of IOU money (the kind mostly in use) has resulted in exorbitant costs in interest, taxes and fees, which also gave us forced unemployment and beaucoups poverty.

The closest thing to barter is extra money in circulation and on deposit in the accounts of people who need more -- so that poverty among consumers is eliminated. Such extra money would not be an IOU; it would be money created to purchase unsold necessities that was funneled to people in need.

The system implied above mimics the way we have kept most banks solvent -- protected from insolvency in the public interest -- for the last four years.

This thought experiment needs to made self-evident to people who want to correct the errors in our system that cause unemployment and poverty that only more money can cure.

Many in the current protest movements in the streets of rich nations with poor people are potential producers who need to demand reform along its lines.

Money missing on the demand side of our financial equations has troubled us for centuries because money has been created with debt. Money created to balance economic products for sale is the change we have not yet made. We have made money that exceeded SUPPLY. But that destroyed the power of money to buy things -- it was not close to barter, it was close to counterfeiting.

mblockhart  10/31/2011 02:49 PM Report

Excellent interview! But I take issue with Amy Goodman's statement that Democrats fear the OWS movement. Perhaps a few elected Democrats do, but not the majority, certainly not the grassroots. Progressive Democrats have been fighting the same issues as OWS for decades and we're thrilled that this movement has brought them to the fore. I don't even think that President Obama fears the movement, I think he welcomes the "push from the left." We will continue that push within the party and as a part of the Occupy movement.

Excellent description of the differences between tea party and OWS, Chris Hedges. They have only one similarity: The holding of "socializing events" to galvanize participation. OWS is a great socializing force and I hope we can sustain it into corrective public policy to overcome the corrupt public policy that plagues us all.

debbe08  10/31/2011 12:10 PM Report

Thanks for having Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges on your show. I watch Democracy Now every day. It's my favorite source of real in-depth, non-corporate news. Please have more voices like theirs on your show.

JohnGelles  10/31/2011 06:18 AM Report

Correction:

With-OUT bipartisan outreach any return to middle class rule seems improbable.

JohnGelles  10/31/2011 06:15 AM Report

It's 2:30 am where I am. My normal time to interrupt a good night's sleep. The keyboard is next to the bed. The only better thing will be Dragon talk to text one day soon.

Buddy Roemer is a sweetheart. He has the inner voice, sound education and best experience out there to lead on reform of this domestic mess.

Huntsman has the foreign policy experience their team could use -- and he has the money and the youth I want if I can have it on our side. If they won, they could unite this nation to regain all its industrial power on which success ultimately depends.

Assuming they never get together, or appreciate the need to change our money's base from more debt to more production, I expect us to re-elect Barack Obama first and Hillary in 2016. If these two made a sufficient effort, we could have a bipartisan cabinet.

With bipartisan outreach any return to middle class rule seems improbable. Without middle class votes behind middle class fortune, all I see is misfortune and misadventure in an era of oligarchy and peonage here and everywhere.

Stuart Chase said we might have the money reform to monetize production by 2048. If that is to be our fate, it's not too long to wait. If Buddy Roemer read Stuart Chase he would know to organize his community bankers and raise he contributions limit from $100 to $1,000,000.

The notion that the middle class alone, without the strength of FDR type politically gifted aristocrats, can remove the feet of the malefactors of great wealth and political ambition off our necks, does not appeal to me.

To Huntsman and Roemer I say, do something to get noticed. Promise taxes so low the middle class will listen to and vote for you. That guy Rick Perry should have offered ten percent not twenty. His minimum wage jobs suit his minimum information thought.

JohnGelles  10/30/2011 02:35 PM Report

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/298975-1

Thanks to Doodah for the link above to Buddy Roemer on video for one hour on CSPAN in April 2011.

I watched the full hour and advise everyone in this audience to do the same. Roemer's points are to (1) reduce corruption at the top of government by simplifying taxes -- stop lobbyists from occupying Congress and the White House; (2) really reach energy independence for North America ASAP -- reducing the influence of Middle East oil in U.S. global strategic planning; (3) increase jobs, middle class incomes and the economic power of small business -- by attention to business type planning and avoidance of bureaucratic waste and abuse of time and opportunity ordinary people cannot afford to lose.

Roemer is a graduate of Harvard and Harvard Business School. He is somewhat in the mold John Huntsman without the latter's enormous wealth.

Roemer is 67 and has no chance at all to make any impression on this election UNLESS he can join Huntsman NOW as his Vice-Presidential running mate.

Roemer's weak point IS his lack of focus on the global money system's need for the U.S. to lead the world, not just North America. His concern for balancing a non-full-employment budget is also a great weakness. Our spending on jobs and energy independence will have to break any budget other than

a full-employment budget.

Roemer's idea to refuse higher than $100 contributions to Presidential campaigns is impossible: although he may be willing to accept huge support from decent people by legal means he does not discuss.

Buddy Roemer on CSPAN in April is really small potatoes in the real world -- although the man's ideas are very good and I'd like him to run with Huntsman, as I said.

The real issues today were presented on Fareed Zakaria's TV show on CNN by Jeffrey Sachs and Niall Ferguson. Sachs backed the Occupy WS protest and Ferguson pointed out that Europe and even Asia have not solved the jobs and economic security requirements either.

Buddy Roemer, Jeffrey Sachs, Niall Ferguson, Fareed Zakaria and Charlie Rose have all missed the boat:

Until the global economy is weaned away from debt and on to production as the foundation for our money, we will all be losers -- even those on top whom war will destroy with all the others.

Buddy Roemer is a banker and worries about debt and indebtedness enough that IF he were running for Vice President NOW might give him the megaphone we need to explain the real threats to America, its dream, and to the world looking to the USA for a lot more than we're offering.

silverlake  10/30/2011 05:44 AM Report

Charlie...you never looked so disinterested.You hardly even interrupted them with your own ideas like you do with most other guests.Maybe you just can't understand the oppressive suffering that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans are going through. I am disappointed you didn't bring someone from the government or Goldman Sachs to the table as well to discuss the actions and motives fueling this movement. I suppose that they are good friends of yours'. You have had them all on the show enough.It's no surprise though.Talking about the truth and it's consequences usually makes for bad entertainment,which is your business and pays you very well,I'm sure.

I would have finally,actually like to have heard YOUR thoughts on the matters discussed. You being part of that 1% and all. All,it seems,you could muster was to ask if this is "another American revolution". Why is it a "revolutionary" idea to simply ask EVERYONE (including corporations) in a democracy to play by the rules.The SAME rules.I think this is simply what is the basis of the Occupy movement,as I understand it.

Fair is fair. Fair is NOT buying off,deceiving,manipulating,using,and denying people...the means to survive and live the best they can.

Shame is not nearly a strong enough word to be directed at our government,our corporations,our media,our banks and many times the common citizen.

Perhaps...the Occupy movement is just what it sounds like.

We are in this life alone and we need to take care of ourselves. This is what democracy is about! We have rights as individual human beings. And because we are that,because we desperately need each other to survive and love and procreate and make a future...we all..every person ever...

occupies.Me,is really all we ever get.We have to share though and democracy is the genius of the idea of fairness and sharing. That's how I see it.

Charlie...you can still try harder.

elitist  10/30/2011 05:13 AM Report

Am I the really only progressive who is asking:

why is PLO spokesperson Rashid Khalidi, who calls for the destruction of Israel, invited to give a speech at Occupy Chicago?

Why not invite human rights and anti-jihad (the two terms are synonymous) activist Pamela Geller to speak instead?

Islamization is part of the agenda of the corporate oligarchy.

With this embrace of Islamic radicals, attacks on Israel, and increasing focus on Jewish bankers, the Occupy movement is beginning to look like a pogrom.

Message to Amy Goodman, Chris Hedges, and the other Occupy leaders (or spokespeople or whatever you call yourselves):

clean up your act.

People who attack Israel and Jewish bankers are not progressives, they are fascists.

doodahdays  10/29/2011 07:44 PM Report

Charlie Rose, Why don't you speak with 'Buddy Roemer'? Is your boss, Mayor Bloomberg, really that threatened by him?

doodahdays  10/29/2011 07:42 PM Report

If Mr. Zizek can make a living being a 'philosopher', then hey, more power to him. But if you want to turn 'objective common sense' into Reality, and not just words floating through the air then give presidential candidate, 'Buddy Roemer' a fair shot. He is the 'Theodore Roosevelt' that this country Needs Right Now. Get over your ego-fear driven irrational Left/Right ideologies and Really HEAR what the man with The PLAN ie. Buddy Roemer is Trying to tell you all; ESPECIALLY OWS.

Here's the Solutions! Wake Up!! -

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/298975-1

Marshalldoc  10/29/2011 06:31 PM Report

There is no question the so-called "mainstream" media is asking about OWS that is not fully addressed by these two stellar spokespeople for progressive humanistic policy. What a tour-de-force!!

rumbustious  10/29/2011 03:58 PM Report

Thanks for including two of the best from the intelligensia. More, please. And don't boycott Noam Chomsky.

doodahdays  10/29/2011 02:13 PM Report

Anybody (entrepreneurs)? down on Occupy Wall Street selling Jim Cramer and Maria Bartaroma voodoo dolls? .. ??? How much, they selling for?

Denham  10/29/2011 12:40 AM Report

Thanks for the Goodman/Hedges interview. More like these are welcome,given the pablum we're served by the mainstream media.

michaely  10/28/2011 11:38 PM Report

Great show. More of both of these two!!

greenandwine  10/28/2011 11:18 PM Report

Thanks for the nice interview with two distinguished observers of social justice movements in the United States. Please continue to invite other guests on a variety of issues concerning social justice (e.g., prison industrial complex, US wars, American military bases worldwide and military-industrial complex selling weapons to unaccountable regimes worldwide, history and politics of Islamaphobia, money and politics, domestic violence) that other mainstream media do not invite. There are a good chunk of US and world populations that are interested in these issues from other-than-mainstream points of view! As you know, anyone with Internet access and an understanding of English worldwide can view your show (unless it's censored by the state!)!!

For example, I'd love to see an extended discussion with Catherine Lutz of Brown University about the US military bases in 60 countries and costs of on-going war (http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=492 & http://costsofwar.org/) - and with Jeremy Scahill of the Nation Institute about the US war in the Middle East (http://www.thenation.com/authors/jeremy-scahill ) .

I also love to watch Lila Abu-Lughod of Columbia University on Muslim Women, "human rights," and a wide ranging "Muslims" that cannot be reduced to Islamaphobic characteristic of "violent" Muslims (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/anthropology/fac-bios/abu-lughod/faculty.html & http://books.google.co.jp/books?hl=ja&lr=&id=xacciP3zsf8C&oi=fnd&pg=PA101&dq=lila+abu-lughod&ots=HXYV HFQW0-&sig=J0BGV9nmdB79eVE32qdBGBMA8ec#v=onepage&q=lila%20abu-lughod&f=false ).

There are many others I'd like to hear, but these observers are my wishes for a Christmas present! :)

justsayin  10/28/2011 11:04 PM Report

Thank you for a wonderful interview with Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges re Occupy Wall St....

It is so unusual for you to cover something from their points of view...and that of the majority of AMERICANS.

Timm  10/28/2011 08:30 PM Report

Wonderful interview with Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges. So glad to see Charlie do an interview with one of my favorites. Now all you need is an evening with Tom Hartmann and Amy Goodman.

dancesynergy  10/28/2011 07:10 PM Report

Very pleased to see two of the most courageous and well-informed members of the media on Mr. Rose's panel. They, with Slavoj Zizek a few days later, made this a more thought-provoking week than usual. Thank you.

I second the request for transcripts.

doodahdays  10/28/2011 07:05 PM Report

How can people be so heartless?

How can people be so easy to be cruel?

Especially when people care about people -

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/298975-1

and social injustices, we all just need a Buddy;

and here he is -

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/301045-1

He's the Only Real Thing Out There, Folks.

Please Don't Hate

loujudson  10/28/2011 03:45 PM Report

While I like very much some of what both guests and the host have to say at times, I cannot take the time wo watch TV or online videos. I would love to read a transctipt though!

jsg  10/28/2011 02:55 PM Report

I am very pleased that Mr. Rose has allowed Amy Goodman and Chris Hedges on for discussion. This is the first time I've seen people from the progressive side of American culture on his show. I applaud the decision. America is a nation in great trouble, which is only going to get worse in the immediate future. We have leaders who are at best liars and hypocrites and, at worse, sociopaths. A liberal democracy and a corporate national security state are incompatible, and Occupy Wall Street recognizes that it is a liberal democracy that must win out. Please continue to allow voices from the Progressive movement, i.e. Noam Chomsky, Rabbi Michael Lerner and others to bring their values and ideas to the table.

Jerry Gerber

www.jerrygerber.com

elitist  10/28/2011 10:56 AM Report

While I admire Goodman and Hedges, they are both constitutionally blind to the simple fact that mass 3rd World immigration into the United States and Western Europe is part and parcel - even an essential component of - the antidemocratic globalization strategy of the corporate oligarchy.

By denouncing as “Fascist” those who resist the Islamization of Europe and the flooding of the United States with unskilled Mexicans and Latin Americans, both Goodman and Hedges have in fact already capitulated to the corporate oligarchy.

They have also made it impossible for tens of millions of ordinary citizens to join them. A genuinely populist movement will welcome those who disagree with the population replacement policies of the corporate oligarchy, and moreover disagree with many aspects of the leftist agenda, from affirmative action to gay marriage.

The fact that the occupy movement through its inspiration from the so-called "Arab Spring" is symptomatic:

all of these countries are or soon will be ruled by Islamic extremists who are the true fascists, the true Nazis of the political landscape today.

beenwaiting30years  10/27/2011 08:19 PM Report

I agree with Hedges that the downfall of a movement at this stage could destroy the movement. I have been waiting a lifetime for people to stop believing that parties will make changes, and now it seems a LARGE group of people have seemingly come to that understanding almost overnight, which of course is not the case. Charlie, you are to be applauded for inviting Hedges and Goodman. They should be the primary spokespeople on all shows dealing with socio-political issues. Democracy Now is THE only non-party affiliated and international news program that must be watched. Of course, there are many other valid, non-maintream radio and TV programs too, but Democracynow.org is the best hour-long daily audio and video broadcast if you want to get real journalism.

alanl  10/27/2011 07:46 PM Report

Thank you Charlie. It has been quite sometime since I have tuned into your show. You've been so corporate friendly that your current affairs topics have become irrelevant. It is good to see content that addresses the 99%.

wvprogressive  10/27/2011 04:22 PM Report

Articulate and illuminating. I disagree with Mr. Hedges on one point, however. I believe that the "occupy" movement must make at least some simple,limited demands before it is co-opted by other interests. Banning paid lobbyists would be a good place to start.

JohnGelles  10/27/2011 02:14 PM Report

We have not learned message from history concerning money -- does it grow on producing "trees" that bear the fruit that is the THINGS we eat and NEED.

..... Or must it contract when the fruit it grows is not "matched" by the monopoly suppliers of today's money -- the central banking systems that are responsible to democratic and semi-democratic nations in the advanced industrial circle of nations on Earth?

The protesting victims of systems in place are our friends -- but they are not a sufficient political force for the radical change from debt to "economic output" -- a change that can put all of us to work and out of the pain of poverty and needing a job on which identity is so dependent.

As Krugman points out, a great war against invading aliens would create all the money we're missing to meet today's great challenge. Yet we are in a great war with universal ignorance that will ruin American, European and Asian civilizations if we allow a repeat of the 1930's.

Amy Goodman is not on board with money reform as a central agenda item. Neither is the President or any other great molder of opinion.

Slavoj Zizek is also not on board. Charlie Rose is not on board.

Without trillions of dollars in immediate investment, how on earth do these people propose our rescue from history's madness? What makes them think we cannot put people to work until the "market" as we know it self-corrects under the rule of constructive destruction of old debt and systems as a result of new entrepreneurial genius, as enunciated by Joseph Schumpeter.

Schumpeter's model does not apply to modern total war, where Keynesian demand is effectively established to supply the goods and services on which war depends.

War against poverty and the potential for WW III is now underway. If we do not engage, American leadership may well be permanently lost.

Many here on the LEFT, like Stalin's ideas of accommodating Hitler, are content to scuttle our leadership. They see it as worse than no-leadership.

Many here on the RIGHT want us to lead a regression to Chris Hedges' neo-feudalism.

Only some in the center offer hope for ending wage slavery and idiotic worship of debt, and replacing them with guaranteed demand, technological competence, and the promise of running the world as though other people were as deserving of wealth as we are.

This does not mean we must have measured equality of luxury consumption. Equality in essential consumption is sufficient for now.

If we solve the problems of essential supply and sufficient demand, with, say, some debt-free money, we may find that still more equality may be useful or may NOT.

For now, who cares? Avoidance of ruinous poverty, pollution, war and failure to prepare for rare foreseeable disasters must be our current goal.

To achieve this goal, peace between advocates of austerity versus advocates of necessary demand (created with or without new debt) must be declared by our leaders in and out of office.