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bremont 10/26/2011 03:01 PM Report
why now and not a decade ago. therefore it is BS. once you got BS things repeat themselves. this lybia CNT is worse than khadafy, why because when Qaddafi was in power western power had a very cozy deals with him. therefore this BS NATO brainwash will never work, the foundations are no different than Pinochet. you got to understand that when you believe we know best "people in power" and act as things will get better in the future, "it does not work. moreover time-frame of event is speeding up. it took 200 years for the French revolution today it takes 1 years for the same event. time is compacting, therefore you cannot hope to lie or fix an issue with deceive, because the time frame is to short. look at Obama, a disaster, why! the time frame has shrunk dramatically. the next president if there is any as I have don't think will ever be any. and get any were. his time-frame will be even shorter than Obama. therefore lies do not work, neither other schemes of deceive and brainwash lies and illusions. somehow people cannot longer lie. they are force to be honest. a kind of return of Christ on a subconscious form and applied to the conscious objective realm. impose by the time-frame of events.
joeybaloney 10/26/2011 02:25 PM Report
Wikipedia? Stephen Colbert had viewers of his show alter Wikipedia to reflect that Oregon is known as Idaho’s Portugal, George Washington never owned slaves and the world’s elephant population had tripled in a six month period. Imagine what the resources of the various alphabet agencies can accomplish with it. Relying on it as a source for anything is lazy and stupid.
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker
JohnGelles 10/25/2011 06:24 AM Report
The Wikipedia entries on Libya satisfy me that American sources of truth about Libya's past 100 years are only modestly complete and reliable -- and that we must wait for accounts of the present and immediate future before we will "know the score" on Libya as well as we know it on, say, Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Lebanon.
It is for sure that Libya has few people and much oil. The revolution and regime change of 2011 is welcome because Libya was ruled by an old madman who reacted badly to the challenges that have ended his life.
Good riddance to Gaddafi and welcome to the opportunity for progress his Mussolini-like ending presents.
Ric Amaral 's posts of his view of the facts is diametrically opposite to the facts offered by Wikipedia. We who are new to this narrative would do well to trust Wikipedia -- yet be open to tomorrow's news from the many new sources of fact and opinion this regime change makes possible.
The Arab awakening in 2011 continues in Syria. It will soon include a resolution of the contest between Iran and its enemies at home and abroad (from their nation's perspective not ours). We may hope Iran abandons its nuclear weapons programs as Gaddafi did. If they do, we may also hope they handle their future better than Gaddafi did. Political science is about as difficult a social science as there is. Yet there is no escape from it.
The struggles short of war, for power and wealth on Earth, are extremely important and never ending. They affect our lives almost as much as our struggles with viruses, bacteria and people closest to home. We leave them behind when we die. And many of us will say at that time the word uttered by my hero John Galbraith: "Enough."
doothedew 10/23/2011 10:03 PM Report
He should have accepted the "Confetti"; He would still be alive and enjoying the fruits of his labor (terrorizing dissidents and as much of the Democracy World as he could; like marching around in those Nutty uniforms). ..I'm gonna miss him the way I miss, 'Harpo Marx'. . Too bad he couldn't Behave .
Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 04:04 PM Report
@doothedew: Yes, Gaddafi wanted to sell the Libyan oil for gold instead of receiving "Confetti" as payment for his oil.
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Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 07:49 AM Report
Here is the real reason the United States has attacked Libya to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi:
Gaddafi gold-for-oil, dollar-doom plans behind Libya 'mission'? - May 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqZfaj34nc&feature=channel_video_title
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GADDAFI WANTED GOLD FOR HIS OIL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NugQlJHVvmI&feature=player_embedded
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The real truth about Libya and Gaddafi:
The Unfair Demonization of Gaddafi by the Western Power - June 25, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaR5lB5BKwQ&NR=1
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doothedew 10/23/2011 07:36 AM Report
A SMART Dictator, would have seeked the counsel of a one, Ricardo_Admaral.
Let's see, did i spell that right? . No. That's a One ColonelAdmiral, the one and only LatinoExtraordinaire WannabeKeeperOfTheWorld, with no further ado,
Ricky Ricardo_Amaral
Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 07:04 AM Report
A reality check for "NATO" and its accomplices:
'Gaddafi murder - international crime' – October 22, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToNCg6YmO9w&feature=youtu.be
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Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 06:53 AM Report
LIBYA & QADDAFI AND THE FACTS THAT CAN'T BE DENIED as FOLLOWS:
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5 ,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
By: Kharian news
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Ricardo: I already knew most of the above information about Libya under the Gaddafi government.
After Gaddafi the Libyan people are going to get what the American system has provided to the American people in a big way: they are going to get screwed every way possible, and end up with nothing.
NATO - the international criminal organization - already destroyed a large part of the infrastructure of Libya that took a long time for the Gaddafi government to build it.
Now NATO and their accomplices are going to pillage everything in sight in Libya, and at the same time the Libyan people are going to find out what the Libyan revolution was all about, and most Libyans are going to go back to live in the desert with just a little tent a camel and nothing else.
And "Goldman Sachs the Pillage People" will enjoy the US$ 2 billion dollars that they already had stolen from Libya and the Libyan people.
Pillaging in Libya might turn out to be a good source of income to "Goldman Sachs the Pillage People" and their network of thieves.
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Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 06:50 AM Report
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/20/eveningnews/main20123436.shtml
...As the gruesome video below shows, Qaddafi was taken alive and handled roughly. Whether he would have survived his wounds with better treatment is not known. One of his sons was also killed Thursday and another reported captured. With most of Qaddafi's inner circle either dead, captured or in exile, NATO -- after flying more than 26,000 missions -- can now end its bombing campaign. That could happen as soon as tomorrow although reconnaissance flights are likely to continue a while longer.
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Ricardo: The above article said: "NATO -- after flying more than 26,000 missions -- can now end its bombing campaign."
I wonder how much money did cost NATO's 26,000 missions to destroy the entire infrastructure of Libya?
And according to interview given today by Senator Rubio of Florida, he said that the United States will send the bill to charge the Libyan people for the bombs that destroyed the entire infrastructure of their country.
Now “NATO” can move forward and get ready to attack their next prey - “NATO” the international criminal organization.
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Ricardo_Amaral 10/23/2011 06:48 AM Report
I posted the following on various web sites on October 20, 2011 as follows:
Today Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has become a Martyr and a new symbol for the Arab world – that's what happens to you if you go against the Western powers recolonization of African countries.
It's clear that what happened to Colonel Qaddafi is another example of what would happen to Kim Jong Il if he gives up his stockpile of Nukes.
Iran also must be paying attention regarding what happened to Saddam Hussein, and now to Colonel Qaddafi – the moral of the story is: If your country is not armed with nuclear weapons then your country is vulnerable to military attack, destruction and pillage of all your assets.
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ShalomFreedman 10/23/2011 02:45 AM Report
Hisham Matar kneejerk accuses the United States for the sins of the Libyan regime in the past forty years. Charlie Rose then asks if the criticism is only of the United States but for other 'Western countries' only.What about the responsibility of the Libyan people themselves? What about the responsibility of the Arab and Islamic worlds and Gaddafi 's long-time allies in it? What about Chavez in Venezuela?
In any case this was a poor and superficial discussion. There was no real analysis of the various factions involved in the Libyan struggle. Nothing was mentioned about the fact that Gaddaffi was not apprehended and brought to trial but rather brutally murdered. What does this say about the new Libyan democracy to come?
Isn't it time that Charlie Rose stopped the fawning idiocry about 'the Arab Spring' and brought in some realistic analysis including analyses of the kinds of troubles and likely developments taking place in Tunisia, Egypt, and other 'spring' beneficiaries?
narendersangwan 10/21/2011 05:01 PM Report
most imminent question is what scenario it will create in Arab world.would Libya remain in good hands or we are going to see new dictators threatening the region once again.Though India has no immediate interests in the region but oil is a commodity running economies in the World .
narendersangwan 10/21/2011 05:01 PM Report
most imminent question is what scenario it will create in Arab world.would Libya remain in good hands or we are going to see new dictators threatening the region once again.Though India has no immediate interests in the region but oil is a commodity running economies in the World .
doothedew 10/21/2011 02:16 PM Report
I was watching, Al Jazeera (English) live online (for the first time), earlier; and it was reported from a live interview of a live witness in Libya that Ghaddaffi was captured alive and was humiliated and tortured (like a mouse caught by a cat) before being killed. He was either placed on top of a car or was dragged behind it while driving around like a rodeo. .. I suspect he knew he wouldn't be making anymore speeches.
REMant 10/21/2011 01:35 PM Report
Qaddafi no doubt evacuated Sirte when the French started bombing the hell out of it, and his convoy was hit by them, and/or a drone, killing some 50 of his remaining fighters, but only wounding him. How he came to receive the fatal bullet to his head is so far unanswered. One report has it that it was done by his own, but it seems equally likely he was executed.
I believe I wrote last February or March that Qaddafi would likely be toppled, but it would look a lot more like Iraq than the Prague spring. I also said that intervention was motivated primarily by hatred of the man and the promise of Libyan oil, as well as to halt the influx of Arab refugees to Europe; that those involved would have to violate the UN resolution to accomplish it; and that the revolutionaries offered little that could be said to be more promising. I think all of these things have proved accurate, the allies supplying weapons, uniforms, training, intelligence, planning, strategic bombing and close air support, and I see no reason to apologize for them. Indeed, I think the restraint and skepticism now shown stems from the kind of criticism I and others made months ago. Many thought of Qaddafi, both in the Africa and the Arab world, as an anti-colonial revolutionary. And it has been the former colonial powers and their allies in Mideast, such as Qatar, which have been instrumental in prosecuting this police action, perhaps even instigating it. I don't see that cloud easily lifted, nor the economic problems, the certain result of American and European monetary policy. There's no doubt that Qaddafi fell into the category of strongman, and this annoyed a great many - as it did me - but unfortunately physical punishment is unavoidable for many people, and it happens a lot more in the US than ppl realize. That said, I would hope no less than the president and prime minister for a better Libyan future and that Italy continues to get its oil. But I hope also this episode proves salutary when considering Syria and other such.