Charlie Rose

vongleichent  02/20/2012 08:54 AM Report

It's said to see that the movement has lost. The media has totally stopped reporting on it.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/21/2011 02:21 AM Report

We watched "Inside Job" on Saturday Night.

I watched ALL the special features too. If you have not seen it you must watch it all including the deleted interviews and the commentary.

The really, really shocking segment in the movie is the role of Professors at the Economics Departments of both Harvard and Columbia in creating the crisis and how they make up the Obama Administration's Economic team and

Bush's team. Goldman Sachs really has too big of a role in the economy and they form a leg of a triangle with Harvard and Columbia and the White House.

If the goal of OWS is change through more support then better branding is necessary. The Leader/Protester Bill Buster, who was on Charlie Rose, said the message is anti-corruption.

This is a message America can get behind--anti-corruption. Reference the movie "Inside Job". When mic checks are done reference America over individual issues. Reference facts in the film. Perhaps "Restore Christian Values to Wall Street, Make America Great Again." Add some music

like in the film. Now my heart is pounding.

The 99% needs more of the 98% to support the movement as Jon Oliver showed on "The Daily Show". Where I sit I am not getting a message like the Tea Party gave us. (What I am getting now is a bombardment of Target ads to shop this week.)

On branding:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-streets-marketing-problem_n_1098422.html

From the Street: You Cannot Evict An Idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wvPk5TD2cw

The woman first seen in the video above . . . well that's her laptop at the top right one in the first picture:

http://www.motherboard.tv/ 2011/11/18/ who-smashed-the-laptops-from-occupy-wall-street-inside-the-ny pd-s-lost-and-found

finalfantasytown  11/16/2011 08:34 AM Report

what kinds of corruptions flux people into Wall Street?

anti-corruption sounds like anti-disease

If people jobs urgently, how about China? That is really positive

SharkswithfrikingLazers  11/03/2011 02:02 PM Report

You can vote on a billboard design but I have yet to see one on ANTI-CORRUPTION.

"We need a minimum of 20K VOTES for EpicStep to fund our billboard. However, if we hit 100K VOTES, EpicStep has agreed to purchase the ad space on a massive billboard right in the heart of Times Square! Times Square!"

http://www.epicstep.com/campaign/337/occupytogether-occupywallst-billboard/

You can also upload your design once you register.

winter  10/24/2011 02:24 PM Report

You know the right was smart enough to anticipate a populist movement like Occupy Wall Street coming so they

leased some time on that computer that spends all day

running tbps algorithms on scenarios of all the ways a

nuclear war might break out and discovered that their aspirations and how they do business couldn't help but have a reaction in the streets. So, what to do about it? The Teaparty preemption. Where's Dick Armie? That can't possibly be his real name, can it??

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/24/2011 01:16 AM Report

This is a very, very powerful five and a half minutes:

http://youtu.be/z6ZronqIzeI

A Marine Sergeant leads the charge and makes America proud.

United States Marine Corps. Sgt. Shamar Thomas from Roosevelt, NY.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/19/2011 04:29 AM Report

I loved this:

Tavis Smiley: Your thoughts about these protests that are growing, it seems, every day in this country and around the world, this whole Occupy Wall Street movement.

Author, Michael Lewis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lewis:

I think it could be a really big deal, and I’ll tell you why. The movement hasn’t really articulated exactly what it wants, but generally you can see what it wants, and it has justice on its side.

Essentially we’ve gone through this period where people who were paid the most, the elites of the society, in the financial world, behaved in ways that were very destructive to the larger society. The result was this financial crisis. They were bailed out by the government; by taxpayer dollars they were saved.

If nature had just taken its course and the government hadn’t stepped in, all these big Wall Street firms would have been out of business. So the taxpayer does that, and then in response, restored to strength and health, the big financial institutions do their best to prevent any kind of reform of themselves. They insert their money into the political process.

It’s outrageous. Essentially, it’s two systems. It’s like a system of government protection for elites, and everybody else has to live with capitalism. That just seems so grotesquely unfair, and I think that outrage about the unfairness is at the root of this movement, and the thing that creates momentum is the movement is the pain that’s been caused, especially among the young.

People my age won’t get off the sofa (see Jon Oliver clip http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-18-2011/the-99-?xrs=share_copy), but people who are 20 years old in college and are looking at unemployment are angry, and they create the energy for change. I wish them luck.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/author-michael-lewis/?show=9997

Well said Michael Lewis. You speak for me.

sensethewonder  10/16/2011 01:03 PM Report

Margaret Atwood had insight into the coming debt crisis. Her book, Payback: Debt and the Shadow Side of Wealth, non-fiction, came out in fall of 2008. This would be a great time to interview Margaret Atwood. Her voice is prophetic!

Many of her fans are awaiting her new book printed on Eco-friendly straw-based paper...a project of Canopy. Her recent book The Year Of The

Flood is a frightening read, like The Handmaid's Tale.

rr_riley  10/15/2011 03:17 PM Report

Thank God Mayor Bloomberg made the right decision about "clean-up"

rr_riley  10/15/2011 03:03 PM Report

Mayor Bloomberg is about to make a very big mistake in his misguided attempt to "clean up" the Occupy Wall Street Movement.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/14/2011 09:33 PM Report

A Look At the History Of Wall Street Protests: http://www.npr.org/2011/10/07/141162196/a-look-at-the-history-of-wall-street-protests

This includes a horse drawn cart bomb.

GAGE: "Well, I think it's really remarkable when you look at the span of the 20th century, we're really seeing ourselves at the dawn of the 21st century in a lot of similar conditions to what would have seen 100 years ago. In terms of inequality, we have the same kinds of stratifications of wealth that we would have seen 100 years ago - and that actually shrank in the middle of the century, but have since widened back out.

So, I think in part, the ferocity of the criticism of Wall Street went away because you had some sort of amelioration of reforms in the New Deal. And so that earlier politics that was really centered around those issues became more muted as the century went on."

See we know history and we know how to repeat it.

doodee  10/14/2011 03:28 PM Report

old man winter, Aw feel yer pine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpaPGHFsL4

Your poignant post made me shiver with the Full Force Tide of the North Wind Howl

sandykramer  10/14/2011 02:52 PM Report

First the Iranian clerics endorse the Wall Street nihilists.

Can Paul Krugman be far behond? Paul, go crawl back under your ivy covered rock in New Jersey...

winter  10/14/2011 01:26 PM Report

Occupy Wall St it the movement that the Tea Party was created to preempt. All the anti government is really anti

manipulated government and the source for that has always been the same source as has tricked the hearts and minds of the Teaparty into what the parlor magician does with his observers, "don't look over there, look over here." You can blame politicians all you want but underneath is all they're only placeholders for the next well funded occupant. Carl Rove has managed to subvert the intention of PAC money transparency with anonymous donation origins -- sure its transparent, they go by the name anonymous. Republicans won't stop undermining the peoples America until the Natinal Guard comes for all of them. If it were the sixties they'd be supporting racial segregation with their governors standing on the steps of school making speeches on States rights. Republicans are the embodiment of organized crime evolved to become institutionalized crime protecting their bosses on K Streets interests.

GILLERAN  10/14/2011 01:11 PM Report

What's the point of OWS? What is the one unifying idea that will resolve the multitude of disparate grievances expressed by the protesters? I'll tell you ...

We need to get money out of politics.

It has corrupted our democratic ideals.

Federalize all election campaign funding NOW!

... including Judicial campaigns.

www.callaconvention.org

doodee  10/14/2011 09:41 AM Report

'Break Wind Not Bread' T-shirts going out to All you wonderful folks! Charlie Rose included.

doodee  10/14/2011 07:31 AM Report

@ Harryj

And I would add to your first comment, "Whats the difference between Crony Capitalism and State Capitalism? AND SOCIALISM! Answer: Not mmuch." More accurately, it's called 'ElitistSocialism', a Fact that the 'original' Tea Party pretends to not comprehend, or it's totally Beyond their mental capacity; a party loyalty thing; yeah country-club.

Harryj  10/14/2011 05:49 AM Report

What is similar in Crony capitalism and State Capitalism, both will slowly retard business leaders and politicians.

Harryj  10/14/2011 05:05 AM Report

Crony Capitilism? Yikes, and I always thought we lived in a Meritocracy. Whats the difference between Crony Capitalism and State Capitalism? Answer: Not mmuch.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2011 10:25 PM Report

Tea Party: anger and fear

Anti-corruption Party: anger and hope

Well said . . . with my modifications.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/13/2011 10:22 PM Report

'Started with 16 people. In 3 weeks it has gone so far, with so much media coverage.'

Yes, it has and any American worth his red-white-and-blue should be supporting an "ANTI-CORRUPTION MOVEMENT".

Yes, let's fix the system NOT just switch the players.

DavLev  10/13/2011 08:29 PM Report

Usually I agree with Paul, but his apparent sympathy with the socialists and Communists who make up the bulk of the protestors..dismayed and frankly, shocked me.

As one more student of economics said during the real estate

sub-prime mortgage crisis, capitalism has its ups and downs, (sort of like the bible's 7 years of feast, etc.

Krugman has repeatedly suggested many more hundreds of billions be poured into the economy to reverse the recession.

Of course he isnt telling us who will pay for all of this

government paper? Sooner or later, we, or our children, or grandchildren will be on the hook, plus interest.

But then again, those that like the idea of class warfare,

will answer the who pays for this, by increasing taxes on the rich, the successful, the inovative, the hard-working

Americans.

We hear from these protestors, AND at least one of the participants last night, that corruption is the problem.

As a former law enforcer..I ask them, where is the corruption? What laws have been broken? Why are not more people in jail for economic crimes, fraud, etc?

As a youth, I earned a few shekels an hour and thought I was fortunate to have a job. As I grew older, I sought highter paying employment..but it had a price. No longer could I simply wear a white shirt and tie..and sell trinkets now I had to work and work hard. After getting As in high school, I received a BA from a major university.

Notwithstanding the credential, I started at the lowest

possible level, and over the years worked my way up.

I saved and avoided frills. I DID not buy a home, understanding its advantages and disadvantages.

Millions of people thought differently, and (with the aid of bankers and loan officers who should have known better,

loaned to people who should have rented, or lived with their parents.

Wall Street has little to do with main street. It is in the business of buying and selling stock, bonds and other paper. There are procedures (SBA) among others for borrowing

money.

When their homes were going up, there were no cries of

being fooled by banks. Many did in fact sell, at huge gains. Then the bubble burst as we all know.

Both Chrysler and GM still are not secure. The banks have

repaid back most of the loans..

The real problem with unemployment is simple, too many people, competing for fewer jobs, and jobs being outsourced to other countries ( to remain competitive).

You cannot have it both ways...folks, the American dream

now, with funds to pay for it coming in the future.

Those unemployed for extended periods of time...are looking

for an easy solution. Perhaps if they agreed to work for the minium wage, changed professions, sought more education, and did with less...and stop blaming those people

who thought beforehand about the futures..well, you get the point.

Id like to know how much money these protestors spend on

drugs each year?

angelakellysf  10/13/2011 04:25 PM Report

Wow, it's not every day that you get to hear the perspective of four white, middle-aged, affluent men (five, if you include Charlie).

Don't get me wrong; the guests were more than adequate (long-time fan of Krugman). It's just that... well, I wonder if someone of a different gender, race, age, and/or socioeconomic status has something -- you know, different to say.

doodee  10/13/2011 04:21 PM Report

robd & Richard,

All you fellas need are a, 'Break Wind Not Bread' T-Shirt. Here, I'll send you one. That should cheer you up.

robdverity  10/13/2011 03:59 PM Report

@Richard_DeBiase 10/13/2011 12:15 PM

Well said. I too am disabused re Obama. Hope the "American Spring" has legs. None of the financial scammers are in jail. The Justice Dept. and the Adm. are all whores to the status quo. Legislation for sale.

doodee  10/13/2011 03:07 PM Report

... Only the 'paid for' political corrupt **TYPES** 'try' to pit one way over the other with beligerant yacketty yack.

doodee  10/13/2011 03:03 PM Report

I hope this new movement does not bend too far left, I have no problem with Unions as long as they have no problem with 'the right to work' laws. Both options support freedom of the individual to oppose corruption.

doodee  10/13/2011 02:43 PM Report

Excellent Show and Guests (I watched it Twice).

AQQ = Low IQQ. Get out of from here, this is the Charlie Rose Show!

doodee  10/13/2011 02:40 PM Report

"Anger coupled with Hope", started on the ground at a place called "Occupy Wall Street".

In other words, "Get a load of me, 'Bloomberg' and your Sacred Cronies!"

AQQ  10/13/2011 02:25 PM Report

VERY one-sided conversation on the Occupy Wall Street movement. Not one of Charlie Rose's shining moments in terms of journalistic objectivity and neutrality.

doodee  10/13/2011 02:18 PM Report

... just Extract the 'Big-Corporate-Wall-$treet-Financier' ELEMENT systemicly interfused body-politic from the conservative politically sabotoged reality. The republican party is No Longer the party of 'Small Business', No Longer can they group Small Business SUPPORT in with the likes Big Corporate INTERESTS. The big corporations are breaking the backs of American small businesses through the big money corrupted system and through brainwashery (the original Tea Party), by lumping big corporate vs. American small business realities (most specifically obvious, the employed vs. unemployed) together as a comprehensive faux-conservative philosophy.

'Buddy Roemer' is the Only Presidential candidate who has Seriously addressed these issues.

I think 'the media' likes the Plutocracy the way it is, they are part of it, and will continue to 'change the subject' as much as they can get away with it.

doodee  10/13/2011 01:48 PM Report

This sounds like 'The Real Tea Party'

laupan  10/13/2011 01:22 PM Report

Hmmmm... What can we say? Must be worth the investment to some group.

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REMant  10/13/2011 12:31 PM Report

I have been waiting for the admin to make some political hay here, but so far the president has been circumspect, from which I'd hoped his erstwhile supporters would take their cue, but apparently that has eluded both NYT and Mr Rose.

IMHO what this shows is the same as Herman Cain shows, that the avg person neither understands, nor never tries to understand important things in life, and instead gravitates towards ppl just as stupid. Thus the Post gets 3000+ comments on many such issues 90% of which just blame the other guy.

We are hearing some old-fashioned socialist tripe here, once found in the Rolling Stone and regrettably Bill Moyers, and nowadays in the Huffington Post, talking about "banksters," like RTV's Thom Hartman. To these people, and apparently Krugman and Bernstein, the issue is black and white, or rather black and red, Bolshevism vs fascism. But they have short memories, because ppl have written plenty about Wall St in the past three yrs, and they seem ignorant as well of the abject failure of the New Deal, New Frontier and Great Society. Krugman wanted to nationalize the banks and still wants massive Depression-era make-work programs. They would like to think there's some real difference, but I doubt anyone sees that anymore than between Stalin and Hitler. The 1930's featured plenty of demagogues such as these.

FDR and family, incidentally, got rich off the govt, too - through plain old ordinary influence peddling, which Krugman professes to know all about. But the ppl who've gotten most wealthy off the govt by far are the middle class as a result of tax expenditures.

Nevertheless there has been growing income inequality. Here are some facts taken from an op-ed by the Post's Robert Samuelson just this week:

"From 1945 to the late 1970s, the richest 10 percent of Americans accounted for about 33 percent to 35 percent of total income, including capital gains (mostly stock profits), estimate economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty. By 2007, their share was 50 percent - equivalent to the late 1920s. Most of the gain went to the richest 1 percent, whose share rose from about 10 percent in 1980 to 24 percent in 2007."

"In a 2008 study, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) found that inequality had increased for 17 out of 22 countries over two decades, though conditions vary dramatically by country. In Sweden and Denmark, the richest 10 percent have incomes about five times greater than those of the poorest 10 percent. In the United States, the ratio is 14-1. The OECD average is 9-1. Mexico has the highest, 27-1."

But he added: "In 2007, the richest 10 percent paid 55 percent of all federal taxes, estimates the Congressional Budget Office. The richest 1 percent paid the lion's share of that: 28.1 percent of federal taxes. The average tax rate on the top 1 percent was 29.5 percent. Similarly, the richest 3 percent account for 36 percent of charitable contributions."

Yet our problems do not reflect the free market ideal, but rather its decline over the past century or two. If you look at the large sweep of history, despite periodic back-sliding, you will see an overall increase in self-control and self-reliance - what we term virtue - and a diminution of sharp trading, duplicity and the kind of Machiavelian shenanigans generally which mark more primitive ppls and used to be a staple comic element on the old Hee-Haw program, (alleged BTW by Michael Lewis to obtain in Greek society today). In colonial times Yankees used to castigate Yorkers for it. As the virtues of the Reformation and the Republican revolutions have declined infantile emotions persist increasingly into adulthood. Competition today seems to mean to Americans everything but the lower barriers to entry espoused by Adam Smith.

Greenspan his fellows expected too much of people, not of markets. And what really undermined virtue was their own easy money policy. This skewed wealth by inflating assets, causing present economic conditions, because the only way to make an economy work fairly, or even at all, is if the money lent is first earned. This has been seen in every economy as soon as banking has been introduced. It's also the reason why all the money the Fed has recently printed can't possibly do anyone any good, yet if stopped will result in skyrocketing prices.

You can govern by fear, by bribery, or through virtue, Montesquieu wrote more than two centuries ago. Bribery clearly has failed, but that's no reason to return to authoritarianism, tho to satisfy Polybius we may have to, in order to recover virtue.

Richard_DeBiase  10/13/2011 12:15 PM Report

In regard to the Occupy Wall Street segment, President Obama has so far been ruled by forces beyond his control, but he was elected President exactly to control those very forces.

Obama was controlled by the military-industrial-intelligence complex on the issue of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Obama was controlled by the Department of Justice on the Marijuana War. (The reason I will not vote for him again.)

And Obama has been controlled by Wall Street on financial regulation, which appears to be what the Occupy Wall Street protests are about.

President Obama has so far demonstrated that he is not up to the job of being President.