Charlie Rose

winter  11/05/2011 09:00 PM Report

A Punch and Judy Show, with the Koch brothers operating all the strings. These secreted ring kissing meetings have had the covers thrown off them and ...what else could they have been covering but-- what are you going to do for us if we finance you? How else is it that we've gotten to where republicans entire slate are extremist fringe water carriers ...save Huntsman? We've come to where its either the oligarchs or the peoples' interests prevailing. It always had to come to that eventually didn't it. We're on the threshold of a domestic dominoe theory and our oligarchs are desperate.

doodee  10/14/2011 03:15 PM Report

@ Sharkster , as long as that "burning bush" is spelled with a lower case B, I see no reason to call it 'Blasphemy' against our former President and god God.

...I've got a Yankee Doodah Sweetheart! She's my Yankee Doodah Joy

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/14/2011 01:32 PM Report

Front page, today's paper:

"Anita Perry said that God had called her husband to run for president and likened the decision to encountering "a burning bush." She said that God was testing Perry with his current difficulties."

My friends, be afraid . . . be VERY afraid.

How many executions again--234? How many of innocent men? At least one.

Ricardo_Amaral  10/13/2011 10:30 PM Report

Here is the best candidate that the Republican Party could find today to represent the Republican Party in the 2012 presidential election:

Zombie Reagan Raised From Grave To Lead GOP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyKYiJkvg98&feature=player_embedded

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doodee  10/13/2011 02:55 PM Report

... and I speak for the majority of the American people too. As time will tell. I have a MysticalIntellect, like that guy, Monk.

doodee  10/13/2011 01:33 PM Report

What a bunch of Nonsense these over-priced KnuckleHeads are; They just Love to OverThink a bunch of HotAir; What a Racket.

Here it is in a nutshell, Mitt Romney/Herman Cain vs. Barrak Obama/Billary Clinton. If unemployment is at 6.3% and going down at time of election.?. President Obama will win. If unemployment is at 7% or higher at time of election, say hello to President Romney.

Now the Republicans will continue to Keep the economy stagnated, employment-wise, as much as they possibly can (they're Very Good at That). And the Democrats will keep grasping at straws and that elusive rabbit in the hat, that they can't find, because they are bought and sold on Wall Street by their Banking Lobby SugarDaddys just like their republican cohorts are.

My bet is on Romney/Cain; but I hope I'm wrong.

Thursday, October 13, 2011.

JohnGelles  10/13/2011 04:52 AM Report

http://ustaxreform.us/.crs.htm

Above link is to convenient list of Charlie Rose Show interviews that outline the current multiple crises in money (and debt), Asian ascendancy, and democracy (political and economic), etc., that have made this decade the most pregnant period since WW II.

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The show at midnight, Wednesday 12 Oct into Thursday 13 Oct, Pacific time, was about the Inequality street scenes in America-- especially Wall Street, NYC; the Iranian plan to assassinate the Saudi diplomat in Washington; and Chinese business developments that may portend a peaceful Chimerica in the decades ahead.

It seemed to me to be a perfect follow up of the discussion of the Republican debate.

The search for greater equality to restore democracy for 99.9 percent of America, as measured by Paul Krugman (which is a good figure IMO), began the talk.

The ideas presented on organizing PEOPLE apart from their money, to get them out of their chairs and into action, especially as presented by the Harvard professor (whose name I forget,) were important -- but the discussion was reaching for an agenda, and a focused agenda or magic bullet were nowhere in sight.

Yet my focus on output-based money is such a magic bullet. By reducing debt to debt, a thing very easily adjusted legally to its real value, and removing money from the grasp of too strong debt, we accomplish the task of freeing the enormous majority of debt-hobbled PEOPLE from the random whims of moneyed people and businesses.

If we want the material needs of all PEOPLE to be met, we must monetize the output that fills the bill. It is just that simple.

On the show, one of the very wise commentators focused on market-failure, and making sure our political system was prepared to correct market failures with solutions -- that start with words and plans and end with satisfaction of the needs of the poorest among us. This is what we must do. And output-based money makes it possible, even likely.

My emphasis on military force in my comment below matches the content in this show that examined the Iranian - Saudi conflict and its implications relative to crime, corruption and nuclear war.

Incidentally, CORRUPTION was stated to be the target of the Wall Street occupation: the protesters were not anti-business, they were anti-corruption and its inevitable companion POVERTY.

Lastly, a Chimerica in which entrepreneurs in China and America were allies against economic failure, provided a fitting end to both discussions (the Debate and the Trio of follow-up topics). If Chinese and American people will bring out the best in each other, optimism will be in order and our energies can be addressed to the power of Mother Nature to humble human endeavor.

JohnGelles  10/13/2011 02:50 AM Report

The debate around a table among persons -- one of whom may succeed Obama as president -- was the best so far. But never focused on our third option:

..... ..... (Our objective which presents the options is obvious. We must regain our engineering and manufacturing position as leader of the advanced industrial world in construction of all great works that house, heat, electrify, connect via communications, educate, and SUPPLY, all people -- to produce the products necessary to win all real and trade wars, and to survive all natural tragedies, coming our way tomorrow and thereafter.)

..... Option 1. Promote debt-based money like we use all over the world at the moment essentially backed by highest military force and lowest worker wages.

..... Option 2. Promote police state institutions that avoid money and understanding as much as possible and amount to slavery with all its inefficiencies as well as all its suffering.

..... Option 3. Promote output-based money that will allow highest worker wages. It requires effective ownership of the highest military power around the same as option 1.

Option 3 will also require reform of law and language to maximize understanding of high technology that will feature mass production by thinking machines -- not by wage-enslaved neglected people like most of us today.

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At a far lower level of thought was the concrete proposal of 999 to scrap the IRS and IR Code (good) and to abandon output-based promises of retirement, recreation and justice (bad).

Offered for serious consideration was trade war and drift to potential real nuclear war. This was the worst part of the debate -- except that it was also the best part IF we keep in mind that nuclear war is the objective to be avoided at all cost.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/12/2011 11:25 PM Report

Yes indeedy, sitting at the table changed the dynamic.

Perhaps next time serve Thanksgiving dinner so we might see what they have been thankful for over the last three years. That would be TV worth watching.

Nope, not gonna happen . . . it's off to Clooney's for some skinny dipping. Now we are talking about who really looks Presidential. (Boxers or briefs President Clinton?)

SharkswithfrikingLazers  10/12/2011 11:16 PM Report

Yes, 999 should be a pizza price!

Hold it! What if we turn 999 upside down?

So Cain is the upside down anti-Christ, Romney is in a cult, Perry is THE Christian.

The final three are definitely shaping up nicely.

robdverity  10/12/2011 05:48 PM Report

As an atheist, Romney is more anathema as a Mormon than a Christian. Christians at least have some history and folklore behind their tale; while Mormons have an American bigamist to counter with? Indeed a cult! Old Joe Smith merely wanted multiple wives. So start a cult and call it a religion. I don't want anyone that buys that silliness as head of state - or anything. Zilch for reasoning power IMO.

Richard_DeBiase  10/12/2011 11:38 AM Report

Just to follow up on my Governor Gary Johnson (R-NM) comment below, how about if a new criteria for being included in the debates is diversity of ideas? How many other Pro-Choice, Pro-Gay and Pro-Marijuana Republicans are there?

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

REMant  10/12/2011 11:13 AM Report

I have not watched any of the debates since they have not been carried on antenna TV (altho I see this one is being offered online today), but I think Perry must be wondering if he will have to compromise his position on the Fed and Wall St, or not. He is also perhaps leery of appearing too "negative," or, it appears, too liberal, which must have come as something of a shock to him. Of course with Gingrich, Bachmann and Paul doing a lot of the heavy lifting, he may have felt he doesn't need to do either.

But what Perry's critics ignore is that his record speaks for him - both compassionate and conservative - and it's not simply lip service. Romney's religion will score against him with many liberals, as well as, Christian fundamentalists. And while I feel certain NH will easily go Romney's way, it will signify little.

Nevertheless, it really doesn't matter how glib Romney is or isn't as long as he promises to be a Bush clone who will stick with Bernanke and the CIA. I was certainly not surprised by Christie's announcement, and feel Rove, et al, must have had something to do with his decision not to run.

Personally I would not vote for Romney because he avoided military service during Vietnam. And it appears Cain fails on this score as well as well as on monetary policy. He clearly exhibits the preacherly traits apparent in too many of our recent presidents - of both parties - but in his case like Huckabee's he actually is/was one. We are not going to turn this country around by urging ppl to smile more.

I agree with Dowd not just that it will take a third party candidate for Obama to win, but also if Tea Party stays home - which they might - resulting in a replay of 2008. It would be interesting to discover what Romney would do with a Congress which would no more agree with his agenda than with Obama's.

IMHO far too much has been made by the liberal media regarding Republican fickleness, which I'd say has been largely of their own creation. And they should be ashamed of their polling in this regard. As they say: "Garbage in, garbage out." The same can be said for such wife-beating debate questions as how to "jump-start" the economy.

Sunday's Post had the "loner" piece. I commented that all academics are loners in the same way, but that he shares with all Democrats and most lawyers the tendency to take everything personally, and of course the idea that they are the targets of oppression, which is why, after saying in his inaugural just as FDR had, we needed to end the cycle of speculation and spending, like him, he turned around and fell for the line that more spending was necessary to combat such evil. But he undoubtedly isn't much of a flesh presser, and seems to be happier with youth who don't vote, than older ppl who do, and I think he must be heartily sick of office by now. It was tho an unusual piece for the Post to have run, since they normally confine themselves to the denigrating the opposition, and I think it must have been intended to signal some disappointment that he hasn't invaded more countries and spent more money.

Eugene McCarthy, BTW, undoubtedly scored biggest against the front-runner in NH.

That said the maples in Hanover should be near their peak right now.

Richard_DeBiase  10/12/2011 11:05 AM Report

I would have liked to see Gov. Gary Johnson (R-NM) included in the debate.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/