Charlie Rose

NeilMacCallister  07/27/2011 04:01 PM Report

rob bravely pointed out below that there is often .."nothing transferable of value here, so you're on your own."

I suggest that is often the very "value" being sought, ..a pulling up the railroad's train-tracks, ..an interruption of communicative commerce, ..the driving of a herd of goats across a roadway to slow the traffic of messages.

Ahmadinejad does it also.

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So what do we want anyway? ..National Security? ..or Social Security??

If you say "Social Security", ..are you meaning the security of the society itself? ..or the social-securities of the individuals who are within that society at any particular moment??

And if you say the "social-securities of the individuals", ..does that mean I have a right to a public transport which gets me to the workhouse on time?

Is that it?

**

Mussolini boasted that he DID "get the buses to run on time".

What happened in HIS country???

doodah  07/26/2011 07:58 PM Report

Oh. Well you should have a slice Aunt Bee's homemade cherry pie, it's mmm mmm good. 'Buddy Roemer' likes it. :)

[Crusty the Clown LOL]

blank  07/26/2011 12:43 AM Report

i'm sorry for everything please delete all these messages i get like this when i get tired and hungry

blank  07/25/2011 11:09 PM Report

okay woops sorry about these messages you better delete i got spaced out i'm just really hungry i can't think i'll come back to reality later like in a month or something

i'm off in space

blank  07/25/2011 07:34 PM Report

that girl if she had just took (i know) me with her wherever she was going i would have just been spinning out of control

robdverity  07/25/2011 07:24 PM Report

Repetitive bloggers, check your meds post haste. And yeah get help, if not merely playing. There's nothing transferable of value here, so you're on your own.

blank  07/25/2011 07:22 PM Report

i don't know what's going on i'm just trying to help somebody things can get better AND i believe it will happen

i have to be ready everything is real in the moment

blank  07/25/2011 07:16 PM Report

just forget that i wrote all this sorry i apologize

words are nothing i made it a point to stop typing

words are something

blank  07/25/2011 06:58 PM Report

aright don't pay attention to me i think i'm on drugs i'm kinda high and i yerba mate and i saw this girl and she was like the best girl i've seen in like 20 years but maybe i imagined it all it's just crazy

and then there's like another girl

right now i'm all by myself and jacked beyond belief i have to get better

i have to get better cuz i can't try to collect a girl and put her on hold

everything is real in the moment

blank  07/25/2011 06:49 PM Report

i'm not going to shoot myself because i don't want to die i just say that but it's real LOVE is what keeps me going

that's why i'm happy

blank  07/25/2011 06:43 PM Report

i'm really on the verge of shooting myself it makes life terrible i can't do anything like this i have to get better it's so real the sensation what it feels like i gotta see a doctor i gotta get like in zen type mode and get through this

blank  07/25/2011 06:31 PM Report

i feel crazy i feel all warm inside it's like i'm in love but i don't know with what

i wish i talked to that girl i saw last week

i have to always be ready

blank  07/25/2011 06:25 PM Report

it's crazy i'm really getting into this stuff i'm really all about love :)

i wish i could draw my own smiley face that looked a little different

blank  07/25/2011 06:11 PM Report

peace is the way to go your mind will go into something else everything will be fine life is going to be good believe in yourself and it will work out

by being fake all the time it makes you realize you're a fraud and then you stop believing in yourself

love and peace (it's sounds cliche but really think about it)

life is going to be okay stay with love

love life and make the best of it

do all the little things that make you happy make them who you are

blank  07/25/2011 05:49 PM Report

there i feel a lot better now it just doesn't exist

blank  07/25/2011 05:48 PM Report

there's nothing about shooting anybody it's more like i picture just blasting the whole concept to oblivion

blank  07/25/2011 05:16 PM Report

aright i take back about the shooting i have an expensive computer but something has to change this is like this negative stain in my brain that exists in my life

i will not shoot anybody that would be the worst negative stain in my brain

the metaphors need to go away

there's a better way to life i hate this stuff

i want to think about other things

than buddy roehmer and nasty fake slut

blank  07/25/2011 03:48 PM Report

let me hear about eddy bauer one more time and bullets will start flying i'm shooting this computer screen to hell what the f%&k is wrong with you people and obama doesn't owe jack sh*t to anybody i'm so sick of the subject i don't care who it comes from

doodah  07/25/2011 04:47 AM Report

That's what you get for Preaching without a license, Neil.

NeilMacCallister  07/25/2011 01:58 AM Report

.."National Security"???

I beg you to consider that age-old adage that notes "Nations fail when the population no longer sees a reason to defend it."

The best "national security" is a productive economy!!! ..and we haven't had that in years!!!

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Yesterday my work car broke down on our un-maintained California freeway, ..the pot-holes shook my vehicle so violently, that my fuel pump thought I was in an accident, and shut-off to prevent a fire!

I worked in the hot sun for 2 hours trying to restart my engine, when 2 CHP officers encircled me, ..demanding my personal information.

I told these highly-paid youngsters that I was having a quite rotten day.

They quickly told me they could make it much worse, ..that they could "send me to prison."

I asked them if the food was good, ..and held out my wrists for the handcuffs.

They shouted at me, ..and simultaneously pulled their TASER guns and pointed them at my chest.

***

I'm telling you, ..I HATE today's "America", ..and I will never again defend it.

There's your "national security"!!

doodah  07/24/2011 08:31 AM Report

... a bald, helpless Donald Trump, probably looks like a fish gasping for air/water (those beady eyes wide open, puckered fish lips quivering)

doodah  07/24/2011 08:24 AM Report

... that image would also look good on the new American currency, .. and not to mention a statue too.

A symbol of rebirth to rejuvenate All the unemployed youth for the benefit their evil neighbors parents and grand parents.

doodah  07/24/2011 08:12 AM Report

... I won't be satisfied until I have my Calvary booted foot stepping upon Donald Trump's naked head with my saber held high with his tuepay pinned to the saber's pointed tip top. At which point I will yell, 'UPRISING'!!!

My Dream Realized

doodah  07/24/2011 07:36 AM Report

... that they're going to invest overseas, and let working Americans die; but they'll pay 'security' well.

doodah  07/24/2011 07:28 AM Report

... wonder why?

When the Tea Party Fools start focusing their attention to the EVIL LOBBYISTS, that's when I'll join the crowd. Crying about government deficits during a time of high unemployment and low demand is a redundant Waste of effort that is being perpetuated by the Evil powers that be behind the scenes to keep the focus off them, so they can try and stir up the next big bubble. They've already done it with stocks (thanks to cooked books) and real estate (thanks to no more Glass-Steagall). what next? They don't have anything, except STOLEN WEALTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doodah  07/24/2011 07:15 AM Report

Justified or not (scapegoated possibly; observing the mentality of the average human (hypocrite)) President Obama is by all intent purposes rendered a lame duck president, at this point in time. The solution for alternative leadership is NOT his polar opposite(s) i.e. Tea Party Fanatics. The solution is, 'Buddy Roemer' for President. I'm telling you, he has his finger on the Big Problem, impediment to 'Demand', no other politician is addressing or has the credentials to attack the problem of systemic corruption within the American Democracy; until that problem is addressed, we will be mired in redundant smoke screens as the ignorant villagers run around with their torches and pitchforks, unemployed and crying about deficits.

Meanwhile, Glass-Steagall HAS NOT BEEN REINSTATED.

robdverity  07/23/2011 05:21 PM Report

As an exercise in thought, it's interesting how diametrically opposed viewpoints can be formed from the same elephant being examined. This for example from PaulMann, and endorsed by Gelles, "Countries, as people, respect strength, militarily and economically. We are losing both."

Where's ANY empirical evidence that our jingoistic war mongering ourselves into three wars (count em) has gained us any respect anywhere. Latent boiling disdain and contempt more likely. Storing up for a real or imagined payback. Our techno-arrogance (a la drones, aircraft) will not always prevail - esp as we decline ec.

Love and kisses harder to fight against than drones and rockets. Chuckle.

JohnGelles  07/23/2011 04:14 PM Report

By way of tangent thought: Last night I heard on PBS an MD who authored "Growing Younger Every Year" explain how important it is at any age (including old age) to do your duty to yourself and to others. Do not forget the others as Barack Obama has done in spades.

He thinks it is his duty to mouth support for ordinary people out of work and out of money -- and to mouth support for Goolsbee's ideas at the same time. He does not see his duty to observe the results of his decisions and become an ardent supporter jobs now, output now (to pay for what the jobs will cause to be purchased), govt responsibility (not size) now, a brains trust now, honest debate on how govt spending CAN accomplish NOW what it did in WW II, etc.

Obama must offer LOWER taxes in return for LOWER interest. Lower interest and managed reorganization of debt (as necessary) can bring capitalism up to date. He must promise a long term effort to maximize BOTH freedom of enterprise and freedom of thought -- to invent (as Bill Gates says) a better toilet -- and as Keynes said, invent better ways to always have the jobs we need and the economic output to pay the highest wages possible.

JohnGelles  07/23/2011 03:55 PM Report

Correction -- add an IS and an A.

Too bad the Singularity is not here yet. It would have had an AI program correct all my stupid errors.

Soon the Singularity (a theory that machine intelligence will equal our own) will correct all non-Keynesian thought with the fact that a monetary system of production needs money to work. NOT TOO MUCH MONEY. NOT TOO LITTLE MONEY. It must have a Goldilocks portion of gov't legal tender deposited on time to the right account for the right purpose.

===== applying the not yet arrived Singularity:===

If he IS defeated for timidity in the face of economic defects that anyone can plainly see, he may undo the good my vote for him in 2007 tried to accomplish. I thought I was voting for A brain -- not a brain-washed member of the Univ. of Chicago's school of small vision for a world in peril.

JohnGelles  07/23/2011 03:41 PM Report

Paul Mann writes well and to the point. I agree with his radical thought:

..... "...it's as if Obama selected him to do his bidding to further USA's decline both economically and politically around the globe."

Of course, this radical indictment begins with IT'S AS IF.

We could indict a certain idiot, RON PAUL, whose doveish-ness passes for aged eccentricity, for even more indecent-ness in his desire to be president (God Forbid).

But our current bi-racial President ought to have mobilized our economy to rescue the whole economy NOT just Wall Street operations (and even these he rescued with too little thought to how he expected to save middle class economic security and American National Security with so little money as they were sent reeling by US and global economic contraction that Keynes explained can be ended with government spending and liquidity created on purpose.

Why mention bi-racial? Because he has failed both races which we voters sought to unite -- behind America's recent moves to respect the human rights of the whole human race.

If he defeated for timidity in the face of economic defects that anyone can plainly see, he may undo the good my vote for him in 2007 tried to accomplish. I thought I was voting for brain -- not a brain-washed member of the Univ. of Chicago's school of small vision for a world in peril.

Using the private sector to speed our next ventures into space -- backed by billion dollar government contracts -- may be a good idea. It implies we should be writing gov't contracts to seed clean home sourced energy, education, health clinics everywhere in our nation, housing for every American veteran or poor person (with none put out in the street or compelled to sleep under bridges), food for every stomach, mental care for all the sick, etc.

Obama is far to the right of Nixon -- even to the right of Reagan. What is his problem. Is it Austan Dean Goolsbee (born August 18, 1969), an American economist, who was his buddy at Chicago where they each taught the opposite of functional finance and functional law.

doodah  07/23/2011 03:10 PM Report

The rich are practicing trickle down Stupidity upon the masses.

How much do the masses need to lose before practicing Violence upon the rich?.

when the cheebuh-chombah hits the fan, I'm up for it.

PaulMann  07/23/2011 12:11 PM Report

Donilon is certainly part of the huge problem facing the credibility of the USA. He believes in nonsense - as if the more we humble ourselves to the world, the more we will be respected. He's learned nothing from history, and it's as if Obama selected him to do his bidding to further USA's decline both economically and politically around the globe.

Countries, as people, respect strength, militarily and economically. We are losing both.

I also did not catch the name of the book Christopher gave him --- "that changed his life".

He said nothing new last night and wasted an hour of my time hoping to hear a tidbit of some sort of intelligence. I heard nothing!

JohnGelles  07/23/2011 07:40 AM Report

While I was slightly off the subject of National Security -- although what I wrote on Krugman vs Brooks IS National Security WRIT LARGE -- as a fundamental problem in the economics of PRODUCTION and MONEY, my computer screen flashed a Bill Gates move I have long thought necessary:

The Gates foundation is offering millions to universities to RE-INVENT THE TOILET to reduce the cost to prevent the contagious diseases spread by poor sanitation in undeveloped nations. They are looking for the "cell phone" version of the toilet: no hole in the ground, no flush, no sewer. Just turn personal waste into electricity or safe and proper fertilizer. And do it so cheaply those diseases will be gone before in record time.

JohnGelles  07/23/2011 07:16 AM Report

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11710#comment_81614

Above is link to comment on tonight's show (22-23 July). Tonight the debt limit, jobs, and future economic power of the USA is being discussed by Paul Krugman and David Brooks. Unfortunately its page will take days to be posted.

As to Tom Donlon he spoke well for a security expert who puts great faith in diplomacy and less faith in force as the right tool to assure security. Henry Kissinger was the star who had that job under Nixon. It ought to be held by hawk. Donlon appears to be half-dove. He may work out. I wonder if he favored the chance Obama took in sending in the Navy Seals to meet our security needs.

doodah  07/23/2011 06:36 AM Report

I never heard of this guy before. He seems quite intelligent. I'm glad President Obama has an adviser smarter and less flaky than Joe Biden; reassuring, indeed.

Politicians are all puppets; you can be sure there's somebody (intelligent or Evil) behind them pulling their strings. Most of those puppet-pushers are trying to protect and advance their UNFAIR advantage(s) at the expense of the majority (the shrinking middle-class, Soon to be poor) with not a care to the real welfare of the country as a whole; as is recently evident in the 'debt ceiling' 'Drama'.

If the worst happens, you can be sure, the rich people living up on the hill are responsible.

tabs  07/22/2011 09:24 PM Report

Mr Rose can not be faulted for interviewing a NS advisor. However what we got is a 2012 Campaign Advertisement for the Obama campaign. One was struck by the continued use of certain buzz words such as "relationship" which are designed to make us feel how lucky we are to have such a stellar luminary as Obama is, for our President. One thinks that when Mr Donilon smiles at one, one had better watch ones back. A disarmingly charming snake.

cwp  07/22/2011 07:50 PM Report

He mentioned a book recommended by Warren Christopher but I didn't catch the title.... what was it? Thx.

lylo  07/22/2011 05:34 PM Report

On the show, Mr Donilon said Europe is US's biggest economic relationship. Wrong. It's actually Canada. The US and Canada are each other's biggest trading partners, there are extensive business overlaps, the manufacturing sectors are closely integrated and Canada is US's chief energy supplier to boot. It is a common error for Americans to make but it is somewhat surprising and frankly alarming to hear from Obama's main foreign policy advisor.

robdverity  07/22/2011 03:48 PM Report

This guy is such a hack. Totally feckless. A whole hour and said nothing.

REMant  07/22/2011 12:02 PM Report

There's a lot of countries ppl like living in better than the US. All the Scandinavian ones, I'd say, probably the rest of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, many of which also have an higher standard of living and better social benefits, and for some ppl, no doubt even some less developed ones. I doubt the Chinese would trade places with us either. The issue is the effect "Keynesianism" has had on the republican ideals with which the country was founded. The only ppl clamoring to get in here are those motivated by their cupidity or forced to by ours. Regardless of history, in the end foreign policy, just as defense policy, is of far less importance than economic policy.

Donilon has, in addition, not led a life of national service, but long been a cog in Washington's political revolving door, as a lobbyist, campaign staffer and PR man. He has little foreign policy experience, and military, none. If Dean Acheson's example changed his life, it didn't very much and WhoRunsGov mentions a quite different influence: "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail" by Hunter S. Thompson, which led him to go to college in DC, taking a path similar to many others. He became a Carter White house intern. "According to The Washington Post's Jason Horowitz, Hamilton Jordan, Carter's then-chief of staff, called the White House when Donilon was a 23-year-old intern looking for dirt on which Cabinet officials had refused to campaign with the president in his troubled 1980 reelection effort. Donilon not only dug up the research, but personally delivered it to Camp David. Carter fired all of his cabinet secretaries a week later." Donilon also worked on Mondale's, Dukakis's, and both of Biden's presidential campaigns, and he is close to the last also through family. His only prior govt position was as an aide to Warren Christopher. Obviously a law degree was not necessary for this, but an aid for the other. In the Obama admin he had previously held a similar position under James Jones. His narrative struck me about the same way as those of the Wall St banksters'.

Syria is in exactly the same position as Iraq was and the only transition would be from Shiite to Sunni dominance. The civil war now getting under way would undoubtedly continue and might well draw in other countries. Assuming any other outcome is fanciful. As is his justification of the Libyan escapade, for which any UN sanction has been flouted, and his idea of the whole Middle East business. The opposite situation obtains in Bahrain, where Sunnis rule a majority of Shiites. There is no solution to these short of war, or divine intervention, and Obama is not God, nor Mr Donilon, I'd say, St Peter.

There is only one thing the US need do to promote peace in Palestine: stop giving Israel billions of dollars of arms every year. We can't afford it anyway, and it surely is not cost-effective.