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SharkswithfrikingLazers  07/17/2011 03:17 AM Report

Here is the tax pledge and those who have signed it:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/Federal%20Pledge%20Signers%20112th%20Congress.pdf

You can read the dogma and see how one man can gridlock America and perhaps bring us to our knees.

236 in the House signed it

41 Senators signed it

13 Governors signed it

1200 State Legislators signed it

Two witnesses see you sign it and then it is put in the safe.

However, Grover does not have "under God" in his pledge and the pledge has not changed in 25 years.

You will see Senator Coburn's name on the pledge.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  07/15/2011 11:37 PM Report

Senator Coburn "I agree with Grover on 99% of what he is talking about." (at 9:04 time mark)

Grover Norquist is a Jack Abramoff crook. Please watch "Casino Jack and the United States of Money" or just check out Wikipedia.

Yes Senator it is ludicrous. It is even more ludicrous that this crook has power over the Republican party, and to the extent the Republicans fear breaking the pledge he got them to sign, our country is held hostage by a crook and we are being run by a crook.

Senator, lead the Republicans away from this false dogma--get in the game, end your sabbatical.

doodah  07/13/2011 08:12 AM Report

@ aj617 07/12/2011 11:59 PM

There you go again, spewing the cold hard facts. You obviously don't want anybody to vote for you.

One positive on the 'over capacity' problem of housing, is that, Most houses are built like Crap, and will have to be knocked down and rebuilt at some point in the not too distant future.

JohnGelles  07/13/2011 12:53 AM Report

Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma is a medical doctor wholly uneducated in the matters he votes on that influence the future of democracy -- i.e., government of, by and for the people.

On his website, for example, he writes in his usual two-faced approach to the rights of the American people and their defenders in the armed forces:

..... "Veterans have made a commitment to our nation and our nation must keep its commitment to those who sacrificed to keep us free. However, spending more money is far from a cure-all solution."

..... In short, we owe our freedom to our armed forces and the veterans whose sacrifice we respect BUT spending more money to provide what we owe these veterans is NOT what I will vote for.

Coburn is a died in the wool conservative who would take all he can steal from the middle class and poor and give it to himself and the rich. Visit his website. Kick him out of the senate.

As to the ceiling on borrowing now in dispute, I heard a perfect solution tonight from the top Republican in the Senate. He discussed:

..... Amending the ceiling as now prescribed (which people like me think is wrong, unworkable and unconstitutional): He would change the law to allow the President alone to exceed the ceiling to protect America. Congress would not have to share responsibility for such decisions.

I only hope this is the solution we adopt ASAP. The President wants to spend money enough to protect the national interest. Congress has already voted for all the spending now at issue. So the President can borrow the money which is consistent with the Constitutional separation of powers, American history, and the 14th Amendment. If the President refuses to take full responsibility for borrowing, he can pay our bills in the order he deems best. What he does not pay, he can justify on his own. If the people disapprove, they can fail to re-elect him.

THERE IS NO BETTER SOLUTION THAN THIS ONE. I trust the President will borrow the money if he can, and, as a last resort will borrow it from the FED at 0 interest, as FDR did to fight WW II.

If you have a better solution to the matter at hand, please post it here.

aj617  07/12/2011 11:59 PM Report

There exists a simple and fundamental principle of economics that seems to be nowhere in evidence in the dialogues occurring about the present lack of abundant job creation. This principal may be plainly stated:

A condition of widespread overcapacity in the means of production in an economy will inhibit the addition of more capacity until such time as demand for increased

demand for goods and services leads to nearly full utilization of that original production capacity. In

other words, if consumers cannot buy enough, there is no

incentive to build new plants or hire anyone.

The housing boom and bust affected both sides of the production/consumption relationship. Businesses had just finished ramping up capacity to meet voracious demand

when the financial crash vaporized fourteen trillion dollars worth of consumer buying power. The imbalance was so great that the stimulus money was simply nowhere near enough to lead to many new jobs - existing capacity easily handled the relatively puny new demand.

Lowering taxes cannot affect this imbalance much either. Consumers who still have recources might increase demand just a tad, but surely not enough to change the situation, and businesses, even with their taxes cut as well, will still have no incentive to expand.

Thus the present blather about how cutting taxes will lead to robust job creation and prosperity is patently false, and anyone pushing that line is being blatantly

irresponsible. Our economic malaise is serious and it may well be that no significant expansion of capacity

can occur for a decade or longer.

robdverity  07/12/2011 09:08 PM Report

Neil - we will bleed even higher interest if they don't. But it may expunge Republicans, so may be worth it.

NeilMacCallister  07/12/2011 08:55 PM Report

Don't raise the debt ceiling!!

PLEEAAASEE stop America's bleeding!!!!!

Let's stay ALIVE!!!!

robdverity  07/12/2011 04:50 PM Report

Soak the rich. Mark Twain said it best, "No man has made a million dollars honestly." Adjust for inflation on your own. None of the bankers with obscene bonuses went to jail, so put a surcharge tax on income over $10 million. (How much is enough anyway?) Double it if made in banking.

Then shoot the miserable bastards!

tabs  07/12/2011 04:06 PM Report

The Republic In Peril

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This great and grand republic is now in peril as Abraham Lincoln so eloquently stated "a house divided against itself can not stand." Our government is now proving itself to be dysfunctional as neither political faction is listening to the other nor coming together to avert the coming peril of a deficit and debt crisis.

Neither side is willing to put aside its own partisan interests for the good of the nation. While some say that a default on the Debt Ceiling will bring economic ruin the other side states that that is untrue, that the essential bills will be paid out of incoming revenues. While it is true that the faction that is most adamant that the budget must be balanced and that we must live within our means represents a voice of sanity to the world of creditors. It is also true that both sides fail to realize that if the US should let the Debt Ceiling lapse the world will view the government of the United States as being dysfunctional and a loss of confidence in this government shall ensue. This will bring discredit on both political factions especially the one that is holding the position that is viewed as being the one of leadership. This perception shall not be repairable as a trust will have been broken. If reason and rationality should continue to defy the leadership of this great and grand republic and this state of affairs should continue this nation will cease to contribute to not only to its own good but to that of the world.

charlizecourriers  07/12/2011 03:42 PM Report

Bubba Clinton said "the era of big government is over!" What does Bubba Obama say? HE says "the era of big government is over when we raise the debt limit, suckers!"

fccm  07/12/2011 02:55 PM Report

Who elected Grover Norquist to run the Grand Old Party?

doodah  07/12/2011 11:14 AM Report

if my memory serves me correct, there was a tax increase AND economic BOOM in the 1990s. I seriously believe these republicans are being bribed for their 'selective memories'. And WHO has all the money to bribe politicians?

Lloyd Blankfiend?. His Wikipedia advertisement promotes him as a Democrat. Is he playing both sides of the fence? Gee, do 'the filthy rich' actually do things like that. What about ideology and principles?. Doesn't that count for anything any more?

what's the world coming to? :(