Charlie Rose

SharkswithfrikingLazers  07/17/2011 11:00 PM Report

Charlie, please click on this link:http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Teamo

See how C-SPAN treats Doris and her audience?

Look at how that Transcript works--you can search for key words and it takes you to the point on the video where it is said.

This is what you need. I will donate for it.

By the way, the story of three men Lincoln selected for his cabinet--all of whom had been his OPPONENTS for the Republican nomination in 1860, is great political theater.

robdverity  05/10/2011 04:34 PM Report

Osama continuing to win even in death as long as Barry continues the Bush ideologies and war mentality (three and counting). Barry's wars and financial bailout of the criminal bankers alone make him unfit for office.

SharkswithfrikingLazers  05/09/2011 05:01 PM Report

President Obama has had an amazing couple of weeks--birth certificate, Osama, visiting the tornado damaged areas and now Ground Zero. Well played Obama team.

Still the polls show the Republicans are not swayed.

Meanwhile Paul Ryan is on C-SPAN saying the 2012 election will be all about healthcare.

The President knows what he needs to do--beef up his Affordable Health Care Act--and make it affordable--while the Republicans scream that repeal is the only answer. Too bad there isn't a Seal Team Six for that.

robdverity  05/08/2011 04:02 PM Report

More cause (solely) one and won ironically are pronounced the same. Capitalizing:

Osama 1, USA 0

Osama won, USA lost

Osama (still) winning, USA still losing

Our persistent chest thumping (even tho we're the losers when measured objectively) will continue the chaos ad nauseam until our ME policy - the cause - and the effect - 9/11 - is recognized and altered accordingly.

robdverity  05/07/2011 03:40 PM Report

The triumphalism of America is part puerile and largely just wrong on a debit and credit book keeping analysis. Osama was successful! His STATED goal: to bankrupt America chasing Al-Qaeda, and rumors of them - and him. Well in an analysis on "Need to Know" the obvious total exceeded $3,000,000,000,000 (that's trillion). The unobvious prob. another huge amt.

So Osama: 1, USA 0.

Think of the ec. advantage had we "turned the other cheek" a la the supposed Christian doctrine suggests. [And that's from an atheist, a CS one of course.]

So irony-of-ironies, our nobody-pushes-us-around cowboy mentality provided the impetus for us to be pushed-around; and by one single man. Thump your chest, but that tendency led us into the quagmire to begin with.

JohnGelles  05/07/2011 03:33 AM Report

The CR show owes us transcripts and post-send editing. If they provide it, we will owe them a $10 educational donation every year, payable in two installments.

JohnGelles  05/07/2011 03:22 AM Report

..... -- A look at the long awaited just killing of Osama bin Laden, with writers Bobby Ghosh, Doris Kearns Goodwin and Adam Gopnik, talking to Brian Williams, in the Charlie Rose Show Current Affairs archive, on Thursday, May 5, 2011 --

The above is what it was -- professional writers talking --to help an American audience better appreciate what our special forces did in the long war on terrorism that this new century has made our special fate.

If it turns out to be decades of war like they described -- and not the end of mankind's time -- we will be lucky.

You say I exaggerate: you say a nuclear explosion (or worse -- a nuclear exchange) is not in the realm of possibility. One hopes you are righjt. One knows you are wrong. Bin Laden and his smarter and dumber types have the potential means to explode a suitcase bomb -- and they will have even more destructive power as time passes.

That is what I believe. And I was glad to listen to all I heard from the cast above over the air yesterday p-- and again on my PC just a moment ago.

I was glad to hear no gloating and much respect for our special forces and our cool and confident president in office. Cool and confident as the elected leader of a mighty military nation -- yet, in my opinion, he is a president with few smarts and no guts, when it comes to leading this nation to enact the Second Bill of Rights demanded of us by President Roosevelt on January 11th, 1944.

That great president warned of a future without economic rights -- but with weapons to destroy the habitat of our race.

If I am wrong and others right, in the potential of another Timothy McVeigh or Osama bin Laden to kill us all, that potential will soon be there unless we prevent it.

Prevention of terrorism is not impossible IMO. It will take a system to track potential terrorists and arrest them when the system signals the beginning of a conspiracy we cannot allow to proceed.

We will not have to thrash or even tame the conspirators. All we will have to do is arrest them and contain them away from any weapons. They will be worthy of study -- and the cost to prevent terrorism will be cheap compared to not containing them.

We will not have the option to create a sloppy ineffective system that inflicts tyranny instead of finely tuned prevention. I say we can do it right.t won't be cheap or easy -- but it is as essential as providing drinking water for all our living neighbors.

None of the cast of writers above talked of such prevention. It sounds too much like President Bush and our preventive war in Iraq. Not too many of them seemed to love Bush for giving us it. I loved him for it at the time. And I still believe we had no other choice. But the Bush team did not mobilize the economy for war -- they went to war on the cheap. That was morally and militarily wrong.

Activebz  05/06/2011 08:21 PM Report

When Brian Williams started puffing up (himself) with talk of the 'golden bullet' that killed bin Laden (who we are relieved is gone from the scene and, at least as a live person, can do no more harm against life with a pro-violence, hatred-filled poisonous ideology against women, with paranoia & distorting glee in killing, etc) -- it once again became clear.

As much as I value the CR show for some of its guests and occasional moments - when it comes to political things, discussions here are too often just full of the assumptions and myths that the power elite (and the military-industrial complex) wants to sell to the American public. These people just who fancy themselves thinkers and doers (which they are, but we are human beings and a planet hurdling towards destruction and the repeating of tragic 20th century magnified loss of human life ). Think of that 9/11 aftermath global moment when Bush could have taken us into this new century, but instead took us to the 19th century - and maybe the 12th century 'Clash of Civilizations.'

Most guests feel ALWAYS JUSTIFIED and the 'good guys,' never speaking honestly about a checkered history and present action on behalf of bloated corporate elites, oil and arms dealers who want to keep 'the addictions' and ignorance and divisiveness/distractions going. They like talk macho shop and humor the climate change deniers, etc.

The shifts in perspective needed are bigger and on some level more simple (fundamental, not easy, mature) than often gets well-examined at this famed (and I admit) beloved CR 'table.' It is important to know history, to exchange ideas and stories (like Charlie likes to emphasize), but too often 'the golden bullet' presentation captures the talk. It's just unhelpful, immature unproductive nonsense. Pablum, and ironically, it's only our and our children's future at stake!

tabs  05/06/2011 06:30 PM Report

MS Goodwin thinks, based upon the former Presidents reactions to making bold decisions. Yet she does not look to the Obama character and past record when confronted with real time decision making. This bold move by Obama is so uncharacteristic of him that the only way to justify the move has been to think he was given time to work out the solution logically over a period of time. However since that bold move by Obama, we seem to have gone back to the usual bungling and dithering as reflected by the changing story of the events that transpired on that night. This gives pause and makes one wonder if there was some spine stiffening applied to cause President Obama to vote other than "present" One guesses that time will tell.

It is with some satisfaction that Mr Gopnik had a nice comment about GW Bush and his unflappable reaction upon hearing of the 911 WTC attack.. This perception seemingly was tendered by MR Gopnik with some trepidation as the usual reaction has been to pillary President Bush for his reaction.

machngunjoe  05/06/2011 01:54 PM Report

At 8:45 that guys comment was so blindly patriotic and completely wrong. I can almost hear him Kissing Americas you know what. I'm not Anti-American I just don't blindly believe certain things

mutex  05/06/2011 12:11 PM Report

What an eye-opening interview! It turns out that the intelligentsia DOES know the truth about bin Laden and the 'war on terror' but they are just too cowardly to speak it. The veiled references as to why bin Laden was SO 'evil' were extremely enlightening. In a world dominated by immoral people the truth is an extremely dangerous thing. Still, a little truth did manage to seep out as Gopnik and Ghosh at least had enoungh intellectual integrity to try to rationalize their complicity while Williams and Goodwin seemingly acquiessed with their silence.

Our 'principles' were exposed for the conveniences they are. It reminds me of the saying, 'The Constitution isn't a suicide pact'. Honorable men might ask how the principles articulated in this document could possibly lead to the death of moral people but then we aren't a nation of honorable men. In reality we live under mob rule. If someone stands in front of you and threatens to take everything you have, RIGHT OR WRONG, you take him down. If Jesus were reborn we would nail him to the cross all over again if, as he would surely do, he stood between us and our addictions.

Now Ghosh and Gopnik (wanting to believe themselves honoraable men) might concede that Osama bin Laden, or at least the idea of Osama bin Laden, represents the truth their fallback position would be that his methods were evil. That might give us some refuge except for two points...his methods were no more evil than our own and what was his alternative? The Arab Spring? I too would like to believe that the lambs could lie down with the wolves but we all know that evil doesn't surrender that easily. In addition, it could be argued that the idea that is bin Laden helped awaken the Arab masses to the fact that they don't need to continue to accept their plight. I am confident that in bin Laden's last moments he drew solace from the thought that what he started would be continued through these uprisings. However, as he said many times, his goals would only be realized by his great great grandsons.

Osama bin laden's memory will grow with time...just not in the way these guests would like to believe. Shakespeare wrote that "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones" but he realized this was not always the case. What bin Laden started is far from over. As Gopnik said, fear is an autoimmune disorder. The United States finally killed bin Laden but, though it's been severely injured, they can't kill the truth. The idea that was bin Laden lives on and that is our greatest fear. The elite will struggle mightily to hold onto their wealth and power. They will continue to try to rationalize and spin events in their favor but the genie is out of the bottle and the truth has started to set men free...even if not quite yet on the Charlie Rose Show.

For Obama is an honourable man;

So are they all, all honourable men.

REMant  05/06/2011 11:54 AM Report

Yes, we fell for al-Qaeda's provocation hook, line and sinker, and it was more self-destructive than anything they did or could have done, as was the good fortune of finding such poorly-built office towers that they collapsed entirely. Nothing could have delighted them more than to see Bush invade two countries in the Near East.

With Doris, I certainly hope that this episode is close to an end. The issue over the picture of the corpse is its use as propaganda vs that of the continuation of conspiracy theories about his possible imprisonment. I think there's much more that remains to be said about the apparent order to kill him on sight, if he is in fact dead. (The word is now that he was retreating into his room when shot.) It was undoubtedly to prevent having him in Guantanamo or wherever, which would have been an order of magnitude worse than airing a picture of him with a bullet in his head, and while it is clearly not "just" according to Western ideals, like the invasion of Afghanistan, it will likely be accepted as such by that part of the world, at least by those who understand that he did take responsibility for the Sept 11, 2001 attacks. That will not likely prevent us from being resented for it, nevertheless.

To the Time Magazine globalizer in this group I commend the poll in the Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/poll-egyptians-have-unfavorable-view-of-us-are-divided-on-fundam entalists/2011/04/25/AFxCzFjE_story.html) which found Egyptian youth have no particular interest in globalization, the more liberal candidates for Egyptian presidential office, Obama or Israel.