Charlie Rose

robdverity  04/01/2011 06:15 PM Report

From ShalomFreedman below:

"PS This website has become the comment space of vicious and ignorant anti- Semites. Why isn't it monitored?"

Mr Freedman's cowardly plaintive peal against speech he finds offensive epitomizes the means and methods Jews are suspected of manipulating and controlling the US media (CBS a good example for one). CR monitors are subject to such pressure (Bloomberg? et al). First Amendment be damned unless it's pro-Israel/Jew.

It's easy to see how the Pals are oppressed with arrogant and demeaning strictures on daily life if a simple CR blog causes such a cry for high-handed intervention. Did Gaddafi (Hitler) get started that way?

What's even more scary is that he asks, "Why isn't it monitored?" as if it should have been done as a matter of course. Even Shalom thinks the Jewish media manipulation has let him down. Keep trying Shalom you might get you what you want.

blank  03/31/2011 10:00 AM Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVW6jBbD5Q8

-> President Obama's Speech on Libya

i thought this was a really good speech i would have just cut out the end part though

i am losing my mind

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12895157

this is the question as you become other things meaningless trivia you yourself degenerate

into something else life is made of images and memories

for me i know the computer is something i ultimately have to not necessarily eliminate but renegotiate the role it plays in my life

i'm not knocking al hunt and i always like it when he's on this show but just based on this i think that rula jebreal would make a good substitute (teacher)

gotta keep it up high

http://aptcetera.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/keep-it-on-the-down-low-itll-be-our-secret/

when i was a kid i always thought like it costs so much to live in new york (and now it's way more extreme) and then people in the south live on next to nothing but then like a cd still costs $12 which is an extreme amount of money to people in the south though a cd costs the same amount everywhere in the country

reading over this anything subtle is coincidence

i think that democracy will get better and better i think that over time things will span out and the most intelligent people will win elections rather than the most connected (because everybody will be connected - i don't know if that makes sense but disguise will be more complex to create will have to exist in real time 24/7)

because keeping information from people is how you keep people v down

but it's risky though i do think that ultimately the most intelligent people are the nicest people and genuinely mean well for the world and want to see people happy

http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/movies/miral-julian-schnabels-take-on-rula-jebreals-novel-review .html

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/457647/Miral/trailers

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/dining/23meatless.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage

“I have to tell you that my veggie burger has freaked out some vegetarians,” he said. “They’ve been put off by the color of it. They feel like it looks too much like meat.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/us/31tenderloin.html?src=recg

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/spreading-fat-stigma-around-the-globe/?hpw

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-12905944

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12904034

JohnGelles  03/31/2011 03:06 AM Report

To Anton G. ~

You posted:

..... "This shows an utter disrespect for the over 35,000,000 Gentiles that died bringing World War II to an end."

You make no sense at all.

Russia alone lost more than 50 million innocents in their war against Nazi Germany.

Palestinian Muslims fought on the side of Nazi Germany -- at the urging of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Palestinian Jews fought against Nazi Germany -- often in British forces.

Your few posts here are a real nuisance.

JohnGelles  03/31/2011 02:52 AM Report

"But, the real coffee chops and real WEB forums of today are NOT what I had in mind."

The above inserts a NOT to correct my prior error.

Crossing my post, and unknown to me, was Freedman's second post. He asks for a monitor to remove Anton G. perhaps. I did not even click the "report" link. Anton deserves to be reported and removed. But, by internet standards, his stuff is very mild. I have even used harsher language toward his posts than is proper -- so I will continue to refrain from reporting him.

Anton G. -- you have an ugly agenda. I wish you would keep out of here. you are no fan of CR. You are no good at all. I personally do not subscribe to your right to your opinion. I think you have no right to post the stuff you do. Consider this: Jesus was a Jew; and God made all of us, Gentile, Jew and all the rest. Your ideas share more in common with Nazi propaganda than with George Washington's invitation to the Jews in America to be one of us. You may think you are only defending Palestinians. Charlie Rose's show on the new movie on Palestinian rights a few days ago did that in a proper way. Re-watch that show. Learn something.

JohnGelles  03/31/2011 02:30 AM Report

There is anti-Jewish sentiment behind the trash that Anton G. has offered. He is entitled to own it. I normally ignore the ignorance he posts.

But today Freedman challenges REMant to confess his anti-Jewish bias -- that is part of his stock in trade that is posted here more frequently than any other opinion: and REMant, IMO, is one of us (a loyal watcher of the CR show) and not a primitive like Anton G.

In all events, the show was outstanding, I believe; it presented the President and his decisions fairly. We are, as Americans at war, looking to our president as commander in chief to protect America and our future.

Should we follow a softer approach to terrorist enemies -- to work with coalitions of many allies?

Or should we be more like President Bush the younger and John McCain (an older person) and try to stop our terrorist enemies as early as possible.

The President and his colleague Hillary Clinton are pursuing the softer option. But, in my view, their will is made of the same steel as others who will remove Qaddafi from power to allow the Arab Spring a fair chance.

This same show had Howard Schultz explain his new book. I really liked this man -- although I have never been his customer. I had visions of coffee shops when I was in my 20's back in the 1940's. My visions were of places to talk the way some of us do in these WW-WEB forums. But, real coffee chops and real WEB forums are what I had in mind. That is not anybody's fault. More's the pity.

Let me leave here the opinion of a customer of Starbucks. It comes off Amazon.com's site:

..... by M. Shah "memta"

..... This review is from: Onward: How Starbucks Fought for Its Life without Losing Its Soul (Hardcover)

..... My fascination with Starbucks began as I savoured the first book 'Pour Your Heart into It' as a business school student and now continues with 'Onward', another highly inspirational read by Howard Schultz; a now humbled CEO with a natural talent for knitting powerful words together to tell an engaging motivational story that takes you through the nail biting journey of a company that went from peak to rock bottom to a slow, painful yet rewarding ride back up the mountain.

..... I wont be surprised if this book finds itself in the business schools curriculum as a learning guide for reinventing oneself during challenging times.

.

On our CR Show page on this interview and book negative reactions to Starbucks and Schultz predominate. I regret that. His description of his 2 hours with the former president of China was not less that charming.

On the whole, Tuesday's show and Al Hunt were perfect. I'm off to watch Wednesday's Show. I hope the anti-Jewish bias of some of these comments diminishes -- and even disappears. It is an unnecessary bias. Israel is our ally. We are Israel's true friend in an ugly sea of trouble that surrounds the oil rich Middle East. To be anti-Jewish in this time and place is to be anti-Christian and anti-American. It is an unworthy thing. It is worth ignoring when we consider its age and history. But sometimes we confront it and move on. Like bad news, it is a persistent curse that may last long after its first occurrence. I don't like bad news either.

ShalomFreedman  03/31/2011 02:13 AM Report

The Libyan question in regard to intervention is extremely problematic. Clearly Libya is a lot easier to take on than Syria, and Iran. But even Libya cannot be solved by an easy 'fix from the air'. The ground is where it mostly happens. Obama may be right in arguing that the intervention prevented the wholesale slaughter of the rebels. But who are the rebels? And what would come should they take over? Gaddafi is a homicidal madman of the kind who frequently come to power in the Arab world. He is especially nuts. And it would be good for the Libyan people as a whole were he no longer there. But to do that would probably take a ground operation neither the U.S. nor any of its allies is ready for.

PS This website has become the comment space of vicious and ignorant anti- Semites. Why isn't it monitored?

ShalomFreedman  03/31/2011 02:13 AM Report

The Libyan question in regard to intervention is extremely problematic. Clearly Libya is a lot easier to take on than Syria, and Iran. But even Libya cannot be solved by an easy 'fix from the air'. The ground is where it mostly happens. Obama may be right in arguing that the intervention prevented the wholesale slaughter of the rebels. But who are the rebels? And what would come should they take over? Gaddafi is a homicidal madman of the kind who frequently come to power in the Arab world. He is especially nuts. And it would be good for the Libyan people as a whole were he no longer there. But to do that would probably take a ground operation neither the U.S. nor any of its allies is ready for.

PS This website has become the comment space of vicious and ignorant anti- Semites. Why isn't it monitored?

AntonGrambihler  03/30/2011 08:23 PM Report

Why is the United States taking action against Libya, when Obama just recently allowed Israel to continue its ILLEGAL Occupation of Gentile Lands? Not to mention Israeli War Crimes against the Gentiles.

Why does the United States support these people which are really terrorists that rose up against the British Mandate of Palestine, Call themselves Israel, and Claim to be Jewish?

Why does the United States label the Palestine Gentiles trying to get their land back Terrorists and calls the Israeli Occupiers of Gentile Lands their Friend.

This shows an utter disrespect for the over 35,000,000 Gentiles that died bringing World War II to and end.

robdverity  03/30/2011 06:58 PM Report

Obama is a puppet of big money, big MI oligarchs and lack of any personally strong convictions of his own. Too young. He is a total disappointment. Jingos are a dime a dozen. No exceptionalism there. His selective interventions leave many non-oil nations wondering where our exceptionalism is hiding (other than behind those oil barrels). O's bloom has gone. He needs to be ejected; to a third choice (party).

tabs  03/30/2011 05:17 PM Report

Did President Obama snatch defeat from the jaws of victory or did he snatch victory from the jaws of defeat? It seems that both representations are accurate. Obama dithered while the Libyans were at the gates of Tripoli, allowing the K-Daffy forces to regroup(time to import those Mercenaries) and acted just in time to save the Libyans from his previous prevarication.

Now Obama expects us to believe that he is the masterful statesman? In virtually the first line of his speech Obama acknowledges that, "in one more day it would have been too late..." when 10 days earlier it was the Libyan people who were at the gates of Tripoli and it seemed K-Daffy was on his way out. On the other hand if Obama was as he claims hard at work in Rio getting all his coalition ducks lined up to intervene under a UN Resolution and it all just took some time to get er done. Then one can say Obama failed on the domestic front as he allowed the perception among the American people that he is a dallying ditherer to gain hold and persist without clarifying the situation. Either way it amounts to a failure on President Obama's part to move decisively and with purpose.

If one recalls Hillary ran a campaign ad about Obama and what would he do when he got that 3 AM call. She was right about Obama, except that she laid his ineptness at the feet of inexperience instead of the logical conclusion that Obama couldn't make a decision in real time to save his life, and is thus the temperament of his personality. The proof of the matter is that if it were just a matter of inexperience one would think that with several years of experience under his belt he would have had a learning curve and would have gotten better. Yet in one crisis after another it is one indecisive moment after another. To the point where one is thinking that we have Barney Fife as President of the United States.

ShalomFreedman  03/30/2011 03:09 PM Report

The person who hides behind the alias ReMant has just revealed what is apparent from many of his previous posts i.e. his anti- Semitism. He goes on endlessly most often about subjects he knows little about, and always with a know-it- all attitude. But now he has defined himself as an out and out bigot and one in hiding at that.

mutex  03/30/2011 12:29 PM Report

Wink, wink. Smirk, smirk. Is this hyporcrisy or merely 'realism'. Someday, somewhere a group of elitists will sit around a table and discuss the fate of the US just as cavalierly as these gentleman discussed the fate of Libya. Certainly if any of these fine journalists were to watch themselves on this broadcast they would cringe a little at their apparent flippancy regarding the truth and our supposed 'values'. Of course we aren't 'trying' to kill Qaddafi but if he 'happens' to die we would not be unhappy. Certainly Bahrain, Yemen (and especially Saudi Arabia) are 'different'. Just how and why they are different we are having a little difficulty articulating at the moment but trust us they ARE different. And of course when the history books are written we can always fall back on 'mistakes were made'.

They always are.

REMant  03/30/2011 11:13 AM Report

The UN resolution was a total fraud and you know it. I don't know why Russia or China did not have the courage to veto it unless they are interested in seeing us destroy ourselves more completely than we already have. And certainly the president Obamulated as much or more than he ever has. The speech made no sense from one end to the other. Anyone who says the president wavered or is still wavering should look between the lines and at what his admin is doing. Besides attempting to insulate him I the admin is engaged in a full court press campaign now as with Obamacare.

It is easy to start a war, because historically support for them has always been greatest among the young. This was true for WWII, Korea, AND Vietnam, and I'd think Iraq, altho there was no draft. Support for Vietnam did not fall below 50% until well after Tet. However support from those old enough to have known war has never been as high. During Vietnam that was never above 50% except when ppl thought it would be over by Christmas 1965.

AFAIK none of these gentleman ever served in the armed forces despite having been of age during the Vietnam conflict, Ignatius graduating from college in 1973 and McManus in 1974. They may have had high draft numbers, but Hunt, who was born in 1942 and graduated from college in 1964, had no such excuse. Curious business, we have two guys here tonite looking to justify their participation in that war, and three looking to excuse the fact they did not.

No one mentioned, BTW, Zuckerberg's deletion of a Facebook account encouraging Palestinians to protest against Israel, which had accumulated 320,000 friends, but of course, he is a Jew, himself, see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12902273 and http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/495d344a0d10421e9baa8ee77029cfbd/Article_2011-03-29-ML-Israel-Faceboo k/id-31734d432a944727acec437a06041ba9