Charlie Rose

wiliki  09/03/2011 02:17 AM Report

I haven't seen the movie but I did stumble onto this interview by accident. The latest link with Rula Jaebreal seems to link to this interview as well. It's broken but this interview is also worthwhile watching.

"Miral" hasn't come to the movies where I live except perhaps to that theatre on the other side of town which shows foreign stuff. I may view it on Amazon later because it's probably the only way to see it and cheaper too....

thefrog  04/03/2011 11:02 AM Report

I was sure the word settlement would never be said on Charlie Rose so Julian did GOOD

Mr Freedman please be fair, the settlements are not, and in the long run will cost you more than you will gain.

Demonizing is out of fashion. We create our world.

ShalomFreedman  03/31/2011 02:06 AM Report

This film has been reviewed negatively everywhere except for one clearly 'bought' review which was reprinted in the NY Times. It is a mendacious piece of political propaganda. Charlie Rose has become a shill for the wrong side , for Ahmadinejad, for Assad and for the Palestinian Arabs who time and again have refused an outstreched Israeli hand for peace.

matanginiganga  03/30/2011 03:36 PM Report

This is the kind of work that deserves Oscars and Nobel Peace Prizes!

BENEZRAA  03/29/2011 09:28 PM Report

ROB: RE - TRADING PLACES:

Each human being is unique and is born into unique identity and circumstances. Trading places is rarely possible, but, not impossible (remember Dickens' TALE OF TWO CITIES? "'Tis a far, far better place to which I go...."). As a thought experiment leading to understanding, sympathy, and empathy, "trading places" ought to be much more frequent than it apparently is. I am sure there are Arabs, far many more than most would think, who do indeed show civility and empathy for Israelis, just as there are Israelis, who show civility and empathy for Arabs, despite the media bias and propaganda bias that paints Israelis as tyrants (and I do not use the word "show" in the show-business sense of the word). That said, the issue is not one of trading places; the issue is one of relative free speech and associated rights, which unfortunately are not renowned in the Arab world. Nor are such restrictions unique to the Arab world. China and Russia come to mind quite easily in that regard.

robdverity  03/29/2011 04:00 PM Report

BEN - To demonstrate Israeli civility and empathy you seem to imply for the Pals, how many would trade places?

Saultxyca  03/29/2011 07:59 AM Report

Two in a row — they are all gunning for Charlie's job. (Mr. Schnabel should canvas Oprah's OWN for a show "like this one" for Jebreal, where she would be a good fit.)

BENEZRAA  03/28/2011 10:30 PM Report

A QUESTION TO JULIAN SCHNABEL AND RULA JEBREAL: IN THIS WORLD OF ALMOST 400-MILLION ARABS, WHEN WILL WE SEE A FILM MADE BY AN ARAB THAT TELLS A STORY OF SIMILAR SCOPE AS YOURS, BUT, FROM A JEWISH ISRAELI POINT OF VIEW?

I look forward to seeing your film. The telling of the personal side of the Arab-Israeli Conflict is the only way to humanize the Conflict and create mutual sympathy and empathy between and among the antagonists. Normal people have the same needs, wants, interests, and desires: life, freedom from poverty, exploration of Creation, and to have love and family in their lives.

This common reality seems much easier to speak to publicly in the West and even in Israel than in the Arab world, where freedom of the press is almost non-existent.

Having listened to your conversation and the previous conversation with Rula Jebreal by herself, I have the impression that your film tells a story of abuse and injustice experienced at the personal level by Palestinian Arabs at the hands of Israelis, something Arabs everywhere may watch and identify with and that compassionate people everywhere will find outrageous. The pre-existing stereotype of Palestinian Arabs as victims of Israeli tyranny may therefore be boosted by your film (unless your own conversations have misrepresented your film and it proves to be something else entirely).

Would a film telling a similar story from a Jewish Israeli point of view ever see the light of day under Arab political hegemony? Would the creators of such a film ever again see the light of day themselves? As it is, can you say it is significant, that your film has been applauded in the Arab world and that you may be seen as "ambassadors"?

As artists you perform a service by telling such a story, and it is an artistic challenge to tell such a story; if and when you have a counterpart in the Arab world, who tells the story from a Jewish Israeli point of view, and if that film is seen and applauded in the Arab world, then both you and your Arab counterpart may then rightfully be applauded as ambassadors of peace. Until then, there is much to be proved, if indeed you yourselves are ambassadors.

By the way, Julian and Rula... today is Day 1763 in the solitary captivity of Gilad Shalit by Hamas. Almost five years he has been captive, isolated, denied a visit by his mother, by his father, by anyone; even the Red Cross is not permitted to see him and give him such limited human contact and sustenance, as the Red Cross may give. Such denial is not merely illegal by international law; it is utterly inhuman, a violation every sensibility of compassionate human beings. In 2006 the capture of Gilad Shalit into Gaza was mirrored in Lebanon by the captures of Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser by Hezbollah. These three kidnappings were the "straws" that caused the 2006 Israel-Lebanon War. Do you think that, just possibly, there might be a story -- or two or three or more -- to tell from the personal level of the Jewish Israeli experience of Arab tyranny?

JohnGelles  03/27/2011 11:41 PM Report

Wealth disparity may be bad. Poverty is far worse. Getting rid of poverty seems possible. I'm willing to give it a try.

robdverity  03/27/2011 05:13 PM Report

John - your check-off by religions hardly removes reality, indeed it prob. emphasises it. The dood has it right - it's the ec. If more young Egyptians had jobs Mubarach could have kept his - tyrant or no.

Our democracy is fast emulating the wealth disparity of the autocracies of the world; so it's hardly a panacea.

doodah  03/27/2011 04:45 AM Report

hmm, interesting points, JG. Maybe they (the money changers) can do a better job of fine tuning the money supply and equitably dispersing it to enable and actualize FULL EMPLOYMENT; like they do with the time. They can change the time to get full maximum employment of energy. Even though it's not a true and scientifically accurate measure of time; it makes the time more useful, and as such, legitimate. Maybe the same principles can be applied to the 'medium of exchange'. Religion or no religion, it ALL comes down to the Economy.

JohnGelles  03/27/2011 02:47 AM Report

This interview and discussion point to the Arab Spring and hoped for Arab Summer. The conflict over the existence of a Jewish state on the Mediterranean -- with Jerusalem its capital -- (as it was when Jesus lived there as a Jew and became the Son of God to some Jews and all Christians) may be ending as we comment on the CR Show.

Most of the discussion in the news from the streets of Arabia is of political freedom and making a living. Little of it, so far, repeats Arab/Jewish political and geographical rivalry that often hits people in their gut and leaves them in a stew over right and wrong.

Abba Eban, the "voice of Israel" in the late 1940's and for more than a decade of modern Israel's history tells the story of the Jews I believe is fair and factual. Were he alive today, I think he might hope the Arab Spring will be welcome change to Arabia and Islamic/Zionist issues. In all events I have that hope.

If, instead, the issues remain unresolved for decades and centuries ahead, such an outcome will, IMO, be very similar to issues between Islamic majority nations and their neighbors everywhere in the world.

If not, if Islamic peoples find brotherhood between themselves and Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Confucians, Humanists and other believers in religious or moral faiths, but not with Jews, the reason will be land and identity issues.

Such issues may resemble issues raised by Latinos and the Spanish language in America.

Inter-ethnic and inter-racial marriage may be the best resolution we can expect.

I do not see the antagonism between Arab and Jew, epitomized by Arab-Nazi collaboration in WW II, as vastly different from other hatreds alive in that war at that time.

America has had to suffer through the Civil War, Jim Crow laws and institutions, genocides practiced against native American Indian tribes, prejudice against minorities, anti-Semitism, and ideological hatred, as well.

So, it seems to me we are to be commended for our present faith that Arab Spring can usher in Arabian love of the best values America has to offer and Arabian shunning of terrorism and hate as we know it, and even of intolerance -- until the Golden Rule rules over humanity in every place Arabs are found.

And what about Jews and Christians? What will it take for them to believe and behave as though poverty in advanced industrial nations is a sin so shameful that not one of their rich co-religionists will ever enter heaven until there is zero-poverty where they dwell.

robdverity  03/26/2011 06:43 PM Report

Hoped you meant mature. If not KISS certainly applies.

doodah  03/26/2011 06:02 PM Report

I didn't mean JUST literally "grown-up people", of course children will go too, to learn and be raised in the new law of the land.

And as far as, simplicity vs. complicated.?. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID! What's wrong? Afraid you'll run out of things to complain about.?.

robdverity  03/26/2011 05:55 PM Report

Too easy. Simple and simplistic. Alas unworkable. Assumes grownup people to be sorted. Their dearth is why we're where we are - worldwide, not just ME. But a momentary amusement nonetheless.

doodah  03/26/2011 05:29 PM Report

ShalomSaddam, it's my impression this movie is not intended to be a 'history lesson'.

Now if I was President, I would draw a line right thru the the middle of Israel/Palestine, and make two sovereign states, ALL the Jew and Arab ASSHOLES on one side (to fight to the Death), and ALL the grown-up normal people (Arabs and Jews) willing to live by the rule of law on the other side. You won't have to love each other, but you will have to respect, or be thrown to the Assholes. Eventually, after the fight, when there's only Asshole Jews or Asshole Arabs left (all of one kind). I will order an air strike to obliterate them all; to protect the innocent ones on the other side. After, at which time, the innocent Arabs and Jews, living by the rule of law and equal respect of property, will be free to settle the territory previously occupied by the Hostiles. Problem Solved.

robdverity  03/26/2011 05:25 PM Report

Settlements are indeed the piece de resistence. They should be inreased apace.

ShalomFreedman  03/26/2011 04:32 PM Report

The root cause of the conflict in the Middle East has nothing to do with settlements. There were no 'settlements' in 1947- 48 when the U.N. called for partition and the Arabs instead went to war. The basic source of the conflict remains the Arabs refusal to live in peace with a Jewish state in the Middle East.

Making an anti- Israel presentation before the U.N. is not exactly a revolutionary step since the U.N. continually condemns Israel. In fact what Schnabel is doing is contributing to the delegitimization campaign against Israel.

I believe it is pretentious of him to try and 'educate' Israelis. It is not our lack of empathy for the Palestinians ( He should go to Israeli medical facilities and see the way Palestinians are treated there as equals to Jews) which is at the heart of the conflict. In fact most Israelis would make real sacrifices for peace, and have already done so were there an 'other side' which was truly ready for peace.

ShalomFreedman  03/26/2011 03:55 PM Report

This conversation and the film are one- sided and unfair. Is there any depiction in this film of the countless terrorist attacks which have been directed at the lives of Israeli civilians and caused thousands of victims? Is there any depiction of the whole political background to the conflict in which the Arabs have continually demonized and terrorized, refused to make peace with Israel?

As for the comments I have seen so far, a couple of them are made by ignorant and hate- filled anti- Semites.

chip1000  03/26/2011 01:40 PM Report

Julian Schnabel is a near genius at the Science of Living.

AntonGrambihler  03/26/2011 01:56 AM Report

Maybe there is still hope that the Terrorists that rose up against the British Mandate of Palestine, call themselves Israel and claim to be Jewish will be held accountable for their crimes against the Gentiles or will the over 35,000,000 Gentiles (Including Middle East Gentiles) that died to end World War II continue to have been in vain?

Julian Schnabel needs to do a movie on the activities of the Zionist movement founded by Theodor Herzl in the late 1800s especially in the United States of America. What was their involvement in changing the Senators from being Representatives of the States to being representatives of the people (17th Amendment)? What was their involvement in adding the Income Tax Amendment (16th Amendment)? What was their involvement in Creating the Federal Reserve? These were created in 1913 along with the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Why was the ADL created at this time? What was their involvement in talking President Wilson into turning a European War into World War I?

robdverity  03/25/2011 02:56 PM Report

Kudos to Charlie (and Bloomberg) for enabling this interview. Anything that can be remotely deemed anti-Zionists is problematical for Jews and Israel. Case in point the AJC wanted to block the showing of their movie at the UN. Israel continues to squelch, manipulate and slant American media (CBS esp et al) to their own parochial ends.

JohnGelles  03/25/2011 12:26 PM Report

The State of Israel is the product of ancient and very modern history. The Holocaust is more important than the land -- and a future nuclear holocaust is more important than the Holocaust.

The movie comes at the right moment for it to help bring peace. I trust it will.

doodah  03/25/2011 12:22 PM Report

I for one will take time and spend Top dollar to 'witness' this movie of this Incredibly Beautiful Woman's Struggle (how could any man look into those soulful eyes and not want to support and protect a Woman of this Magnitude?).

Speaking of which, the camera Loves Rula, she should seriously consider some modeling and/or acting. She reminds me of 'Sophia Loren' (only, dare I say it, even much more Beautiful (combination of physical AND personal Attractiveness).

However, I will settle for seeing her as a journalist on TV (if that's all she wants to do). :)

REMant  03/25/2011 11:13 AM Report

I recall meeting a similar young Palestinian woman in graduate school about the time Ms Jebreal was born. She said much the same things then, but also that her ppl would never give up their quest to recover their land. It has always been about who owns the land and I'm sure I've seen many similar films or documentaries which still do not get down to the basic question. They have all been judged according to whether they were thought pro-Israel or not, and I doubt humanitarian considerations will have any weight with those who see those who see themselves as perpetually put upon, on either side. If Americans are sentimentalists, both parties to this conflict have amply demonstrated they have no such feelings. Why the former, however, doesn't translate into votes is a question I think must largely be the result of the hold the Jews have on the media, and also because of the crusader mentality that seems to remain in the public at large. I don't think al-Qaeda just made that up. But there is clearly a deep philosophical/religious division between average Christian and both of the participants not so easily surmounted, tho I would not discount the simple fact that US presidents don't give a fig for what the ppl think, especially about foreign affairs. Kings never have. The tack more generally taken has been to show the Zionists are every bit as bad as the Arabs, which might lead to their being left to their own devices, especially if there seems to no longer be any need for a landlocked aircraft carrier in the region. I would think therefore continued conflict to be in the interest of the present Israeli govt as much as the autocrats.

I notice the movie has garnered a few favorable reviews on IMDb, but far more favorable and fewer in number than those who voted it only 5.9 out of 10. IMDb, BTW now also includes links to professional reviews, of which there are 41, almost all European.