Rep. Keith Ellison

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Rep. Keith Ellison on Congressman Peter King's hearings on Muslims in America

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    1. AntonGrambihler  03/19/2011 10:50 AM Report

      The root cause of the problems the United States has, is caused by its support of Israeli Crimes.

      Representative Pete King is one of the 344 members of Congress who voted to condemn the Goldstone Report without doing an investigation of their own. Why does he think that Israeli War-Crimes against the Gentiles are OK? Why isn’t he concerned about Radial Judaism?

      Israel must be held accountable for its ILLEGAL (YES, ILLEGAL!) occupation of Gentile Lands. It was bad enough that President Clinton did not know the meaning of “IS”, now we have President Obama who does not know the meaning of “ILLEGAL” and used it as an excuse to once again block the prosecution of Israel for its crimes against the Gentiles.

      According to the United Nations (UN) Resolution which authorized the division of the British Mandate of Palestine, Jerusalem is International property and belongs to all the people of the world. The solution to the current problems is for all parties to abide by this UN Resolution.

      Members of Congress say that "Israel is an important ally of the United States. We share common values and interests with Israel and they set the example for democratic government in the Middle East." How is Israel an important ally? Is it because it takes the excess US taxpayer money and military equipment and uses it to kill Gentiles? How do we share common values? Are War Crimes and Piracy on the High Seas common values? If this Israel is an example for democracy in the Middle East, why would the other people in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter want a democracy?

      Congress needs to hold hearings on how many Loyal Israeli Citizens are using Dual Citizenship to hold United States Government Jobs and control our government for the benefit of Israel instead of We the 100% Citizens of the United States. Only 100% Citizens should be allowed to hold Government Jobs.

      Why does the United States speak out about China Censorship, but does not complain about European imprisonment for violations of its Censorships? What are the truths about World War II that are being covered up?

      Everyone must be treated the same under International Law, National Laws, and Local Laws, NO EXCEPTIONS!

    2. KenCT  03/14/2011 02:53 PM Report

      Extremely timid and excessively deferential interview by Charlie. Some questions that might have been asked by someone less intimidated by political correctness -

      1 - You criticize much of the testimony as "emotional". None was nearly as emotional as yours, and THEY were talking about their own family members. Why is YOUR emotion valid and theirs, frankly much more authentically earned, not valid

      2 - I'm not entirely clear why you were crying. Please explain. It seemed that you were crying because it is your report that some assumed that the heroic victim, because of his Muslim name, was actually one of the perpetrators. It would seem that in the overall scope of things, when a group of Muslims kills 3,000 people (in an attempt to kill many more, PLUS attack the US Capitol), the tears should be for the victims and for the fact that Muslims gave people to draw such reasonable inferences, NOT for the inferences themselves. What do you say to the assertion that you are engaging in some moral confusion?

      3 - The testimony included intimidation by local mosques of the parents of these "lured away" teen-agers. What do you say to that

      4 - You claim that this hearing, even by virtue of its very name, "stigmatized all Muslims". This claim seems to many to be preposterous. An investigation of "radicalization in the Muslim community" does NOT suggest that all Muslims are radicalized, any more than an investigation of "gays in the military" or "vegetarians in Congress" make statements about the groups to which they are referring. Why is this not clear?

      5 - You state that the rationales of jihadists are "political" and not "religious". Isn't this a false distinction? Isn't the essence of jihad the unseparability of religion and politics, with the ultimate goal the imposition of shariah law. It seems that your answer is seeking to distract from an understanding of "political Islam". What does the term mean to you?

      6 - Please explain your past and current relationship with CAIR, and your opinion of its being labelled an unindicted co-conspirator and its being excluded from the FBI's list of Muslim groups with which it will relate.

      7 - I have read that Saudi money flows into a majority of US mosques, and that it influences the teaching and preaching of Salafism - the Saudi brand of Islam, which is contrary to Western values. Please comment.

      These questions, and more, would have been much more appropriate and fair. Shame on Charlie for what is either timidity or lack of preparedness on the subject matter.

      KS

    3. JohnGelles  03/14/2011 09:57 AM Report

      Keith Ellison is an individual with his own unique history and brand of politics. Read Wikipedia for a fair and balanced record of his achievements and comments on our times.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_%28politician%29

      He has been called by Islamic extremists Jewish Muslim.

      He has been called by others too close to Louis Farrakhan.

      His comments on the King hearings are consistent with the Wikipedia portrait of him. His parents are Catholic. He is a convert to the Nation of Islam (Farrakhan's religion, not Osama Bin Laden's).

      Is the King hearing really not what King claims. No. It is exactly what King says it is. Is Ellison a patriotic American Member of Congress. In his own eyes he certainly is.

    4. blank  03/13/2011 03:11 PM Report

      aright delete the bottom two lines in the below message`

      (or just delete everything really) - i can't get started cuz i get stuck in things

      it's all pointless and doesn't matter

    5. blank  03/13/2011 02:58 PM Report

      http://www.foodforlife.com/our-products

      this is my favorite religious product it's really good sprouted grains it's my favorite pasta

      organic sprouted whole grain foods i'm glad it exists

      i think that lifestyle is more important than religion

      really everybody is crazy

    6. blank  03/13/2011 01:19 PM Report

      okay i was terrified of ghosts and monsters and dead people that were alive in the dark when i was a kid maybe with religion i would have felt somebody was protecting me from all of that i think i might have over reacted last night plus i wore vision street wear skull and cross bones hat and shoes and then there were things like rabbit's feet which are pretty disturbing concepts in their own way and i don't feel like i'm too psychologically damaged from those things so it's just whatever i don't think it's a big deal i think it's just all the horror movies they bring in the concept of religion in them in washington dc every time i see a gray church with pillars i imagine big black eerie birds flying around them and i get really scared it's like haunting and really scary and then also i think subconsciously with islam and praying synced with a certain time seeing images of massive numbers of people doing the same thing in unison chanting it seems like that in itself is extremism because the other main instances of that are hitler and north korea i was scared of grave yards too maybe being religious would have prevented all of this from happening so i take back everything i said and i see people truly happy and content with their relationship with god whatever that is in their mind i would not want to take that away from anybody i just don't want to address this subject or think about it anymore i apologize for the messages here i would just disregard them

      just disregard it's all just whatever it doesn't mean anything

      i took a class the bible as literature i had to write a bunch of papers on it it's a good thing to read i think it's worth reading especially with how much it affects society

      everything is okay

    7. blank  03/13/2011 05:06 AM Report

      toxic poison gas melting my skin escape from internet none of this exists

    8. blank  03/13/2011 05:06 AM Report

      i don't have a problem with anybody or any religion but i live in my own world and i have my own thoughts and dragging me into the public is stupid i'm not trying to change anybody i just want to be free to live in my own world and in my own place in real life i can see how somebody is reacting to anything instantaneously and i can respond to it but writing things is just everything is stupid i don't want to do any of this there is no freedom of thought in egypt they were saying they wanted freedom of speech and if there is a distinct islamic world i think they should be free to believe in their beliefs without interference and my main problem living in the united states are all these messed up republicans driven by a fundamental feeling of hate on their surroundings and the world and it's funny cuz when they create all this survival of the fittest death to everybody else stuff they're actually the dim witted ones who in the end will need to be saved from their trailer parks and trash cuz when you look at these republicans oh it's all about money and our corporations nothing else matters just look at them they won't survive look at sarah palin she had a baby in her 40s that is retarded they're just screwing themselves up oh it's the movement against the educated elitists don't give them power let's all pretend we're drunk fat slobs so we can relate to the masses and everybody can die of heart attacks while they suck on their salt it's just disgusting what is up the party of hate cuz we hate ourselves and we want to die but we can do whatever we want because we won't really die because god has a plan for us so let's just spray ourselves with poison and force spray everybody around us with poison because god will decide it's not up to us to decide but we will support all of our friends to make as much money as possible and provide illegal favors to whoever we drink with cuz we are retarded and nothing matters and it's all about god and killing black people (except the ones we know) even if we have to kill even more white people in the process to do it

      and i've known religious people and republicans who are cool and truthfully i get along with all people so none of this is true

      but then they go and do these wicked and horrible things and i'm supposed to be okay with it because they didn't do it to me (in their minds though really they are doing it to me and themselves) and then

      there are messed up people that i've run into that have tried to kill me who don't even fall in these categories

      so it all doesn't matter i just don't want to be on the internet it's just unhealthy too anyway just the act of sitting in front of a computer

      this is not what i'm supposed to do i'm supposed to be living free in the world somewhere gone that doesn't even exist in people's minds

    9. blank  03/13/2011 03:34 AM Report

      this is like a plague of the mind and i don't want to be involved (the message below doesn't even matter i'm going to escape from the internet completely it's destructive)

      i wish i didn't go through any of this

      the bible is just as sick and corrupt there's some thing that's beyond death that loves you what the hell is that

      it's just twisted psychosis (get a grip and get yourself together is my suggestion)

      don't worry about it just make yourself the best person you can be

      it's all fine to put people who can't handle life into delusional fantasy land but create something pleasant that would be a good first step all this sick psycho stuff that all these religions are obsessed with

      i'm so tired of it

      oh but i'm gonna change the definition of god this really means that it's all in code word by that time you're talking about something completely different

      why go through it all the stories SUCK

      it plagues and destroys societies all over the world by creating fictional differences among people

      and you can't even talk about it with somebody cuz they are psychopaths

      so everybody's just like yeah yeah just go away i don't want to discuss it i'll just pretend

      it's destroying the definition of the word love and the experience in itself

      that's how i view it it's just people's fear of death and then taken advantage of for mind control

      go to mental institutions and jail and learn about what religion really does

      give yourself to jesus god is within you these are sick and disgusting concepts that you criminals instill into the minds of kids and

      freedom of thought is fine

      but this is imprisonment

      that's like saying i'm free to eat maggots and dog shit

      anyway forget it i told myself a long time ago just don't think about it and live in my own world when you meet somebody who is religious just blow the subject off

      i prefer the cult of yoga and astrology to any of this religious stuff

      i get along with people i don't mean bad

      it's just at some point my belief will come out it's just what i think i can't help it

      i shouldn't write these messages i'll try to stop i'm not trying to be a public person it doesn't fit my personality

      i don't like getting dragged into this

      and churches they do wonderful things for the community and stuff they volunteer they mean good and they do good in that sense so i'm not trying to hate

      but to instill these sick and twisted and disturbing messages into the minds of kids i still think is terrible and in no way worth the cost

      i think you should learn to respect the mind of your kid

      there are a whole lot of better books to read to kids

      to each their own i'm out i had things to do i ruined this whole night

      it's not a question about is there something greater that i can't comprehend it's that i created a horror movie psychopath screwed up disturbing scenario and pass it off as some lying truth

      what is the point

      it's just this sick thing that kids have to overcome to be who they really are

      i just think that there's gotta be a way to accomplish the good things without having the horror movie aspect to it all

      why would you want people going through life all screwed up in their head and confused

    10. blank  03/13/2011 01:01 AM Report

      i would rather just live in my own world cloud separate from the rest of the world with money i could do it all i have everything i need i don't need to pay attention to what's going on in other places because it's just poison to my mind i have my own idea of my world i'm not trying to be negative but i really don't like republicans who they are and everything they stand for i don't like the middle east christianity islam i just want to be separate from all of that the truth is most people are not actually religious or political and aren't paying attention to that kind of stuff even when they claim they are it's just a vague concept and i think people use it as an excuse for a sense of community and fitting in with other people and you can create that in many intellectually stimulating and healthy ways such as school would be an example of that or maybe just anything social community service classes there are all kinds of activities and things to do that bring people together and work towards positive things i think different places can be like this is who we are this is what we represent and so if you're like this come here and live with us that way people feel like they can relate to the people around them and also it would better lessen the feeling of isolation that's why i don't have a problem with defining yourself as an environmentalist when maybe you aren't really that so much in action cuz at least that's what you think in your mind and so you are working towards that if everybody around you takes their health seriously also you will easily have access to healthy food and ways of living because that's what exists and is what is created if science is the dominating view in your world you won't ever feel overly frustrated i think that if islam wants to exist somewhere that's perfectly fine i think people just want to be free to have their own thoughts about whatever i think sometimes individuality and learning to develop your own thoughts and then balancing that with whatever culture you choose to live within works well i think you can just be yourself and it will just naturally attract people who are like you there is no need to try to push people away for some hypothetical reason possible terrorism or whatever because if they can't relate to the world you live in and don't feel comfortable they will just leave and go some place where they do feel comfortable and can relate to if they choose to live in your world it's usually because they have more in common with you than any differences also you can create a world within your mind and live in your house and your neighborhood there is no reason why everybody in the world can't have this with regulations put in place by organizations like the epa it allows people to be free to be themselves without having to worry too much consciously about whether they are destroying other people's lives by what they are doing it creates a sense of freedom within your mind by freeing yourself to think about better things and it creates true happiness

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12723554

      now i don't know what should be done but it seems that if you have the ability to easily help people in other parts of the world who want and need help to live the lives they dream of then it would only be a good thing because as they thrive they will be friends and the more nice places that exist throughout the world the better it will create unique environments that cater to people's individual desires and needs

      in the end it's just one world i think thinking about what's best in the long term for various places and for everybody is actually what is best for the long term

      i think over time the world will become more diverse racially and more segregated intellectually and that that will be a good thing so as eliminating the feeling of isolation and putting people in more close contact with people who they can relate to and to live the lifestyle that they want to live

      but really who knows but if you could mentally figure out where you want to live and then go there that might be the best bet because places and the over riding general thought process that exists there does exist though maybe with the internet the world will become generally more homogenous intellectually and so that will become subtle i still think it will exist but then there are a lot of different factors

      but the little things i see everyday i really believe truly effect me and shape me i feel like i'm definitely influenced by my surroundings and it creates a mind state that i feel comfortable in and want to stay in rather than move into and get completely immersed in some other world that i see on the internet though i enjoy traveling very much to just be able to find and create a comfortable world to live in and part of that is just developing your mind to understand what truly makes you happy

      i think my internet addiction is more of a getting lost in my head addiction and so i apologize for leaving these messages here i can't help it it's out of my control

      it's just all completely ridiculous i just read what i wrote but i have to send it cuz otherwise i feel like i left it out and there will be some catastrophe otherwise

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12722996

      okay really i don't know what i'm talking about i just think different people have different priorities and it affects the community you live in like places really are different and over time they affect how you think and the community and the people around you have an influence on you and me personally i don't enjoy being overly influenced by islam but there are a lot of other things i would complain about prior to that and this country is defined by the idea of freedom of thought i think when you are younger and growing up you're more intrigued by diversity of thought but then when you get older you want to just settle down into your own ways that you have confirmed and then just expand from there but really it's just thought

      or for example i know people i could talk to all day but eat terrible so it's just i don't know how to explain it but places are definitely different and it's hard to say what causes those differences and the differences are subtle but it's like the subtleties add up and it becomes extreme and then you just lose your mind and you go crazy and blow up buildings and stuff

      you have to have a dream and a hope and a desire that things will get better you can't ever lose that

      if you find yourself all alone just work on a project you never know where it might lead you imagine your dream life and just take little steps to move towards it and think of the big picture every little thing is a piece in the puzzle that will get you there it really does exists it just takes effort and belief in yourself that it is possible think of it like a problem that's unsolvable but one day you will figure it out and it will be solvable and until that day you can just work on it and it's like a goal that you have that's like your meaning and your purpose that will keep you going

      like you could create a product that you like that's healthy and good for the environment with a cartoon character that represents you market it and sell it or just promote it and just keep trying to make it better use it as an experiment see how people respond and adjust just believe in yourself and develop yourself into what you want to be

      or there are lots of other things that you could do the options are unlimited there's no reason to give up

    11. blank  03/12/2011 03:56 PM Report

      like i'm just a believer in focus on positive things that make you feel good out of mind out of sight

      you know like it would be nice if the air was clean the environment was nice so let's work on that

      so we can all feel the best we can

      republicans time after time at least Anwar al Awlaki admits he's suicidal and in agony republicans just want to take it out as

      hate crimes on everybody else fundamental negativity and hate

      denial

      it's hard to love somebody who takes out their self hate on the world around them

    12. blank  03/12/2011 03:38 PM Report

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI3LdXm-Hho&feature=related

    13. blank  03/12/2011 03:06 PM Report

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/opinion/11krugman.html

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/science/earth/11climate.html

    14. blank  03/12/2011 03:06 PM Report

      truthfully listening to this stuff will make you want to commit suicide that's what church does to me i just want to commit suicide the whole time i'm in there

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGJTV94b7g8

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ71qjnGMYs

    15. robdverity  03/12/2011 12:28 AM Report

      If the US were ever at loggerheads with Israel, the defection of US jewery to Israel would spin your spine.

    16. AntonGrambihler  03/11/2011 07:19 PM Report

      The root cause of the problems the United States has, is caused by its support of Israeli Crimes.

      Representative Pete King is one of the 344 members of Congress who voted to condemn the Goldstone Report without doing an investigation of their own. Why does he think that Israeli War-Crimes against the Gentiles are OK? Why isn’t he concerned about Radial Judaism?

      Israel must be held accountable for its ILLEGAL (YES, ILLEGAL!) occupation of Gentile Lands. It was bad enough that President Clinton did not know the meaning of “IS”, now we have President Obama who does not know the meaning of “ILLEGAL” and used it as an excuse to once again block the prosecution of Israel for its crimes against the Gentiles.

      According to the United Nations (UN) Resolution which authorized the division of the British Mandate of Palestine, Jerusalem is International property and belongs to all the people of the world. The solution to the current problems is for all parties to abide by this UN Resolution.

      Members of Congress say that "Israel is an important ally of the United States. We share common values and interests with Israel and they set the example for democratic government in the Middle East." How is Israel an important ally? Is it because it takes the excess US taxpayer money and military equipment and uses it to kill Gentiles? How do we share common values? Are War Crimes and Piracy on the High Seas common values? If this Israel is an example for democracy in the Middle East, why would the other people in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter want a democracy?

      Congress needs to hold hearings on how many Loyal Israeli Citizens are using Dual Citizenship to hold United States Government Jobs and control our government for the benefit of Israel instead of We the 100% Citizens of the United States. Only 100% Citizens should be allowed to hold Government Jobs.

      Why does the United States speak out about China Censorship, but does not complain about European imprisonment for violations of its Censorships? What are the truths about World War II that are being covered up?

      Everyone must be treated the same under International Law, National Laws, and Local Laws, NO EXCEPTIONS!

    17. REMant  03/11/2011 11:27 AM Report

      I'm afraid this episode says more about Rep King of New York than anything else. As your guest hinted, the Israel lobby may be behind it, especially at this particular time. Few have complained about Americans who have propagandized for and patronized the IRA, the Afghan mujahedin and Nicaraguan Contras, Israel, much less the current so-called pro-democracy movements in the Middle East and Africa. And I question the motive. If the committee were really interested in what it professes to be - Muslim terrorism - they would have focused on it, not their supposedly innocent victims in this country, altho I realize this is regrettably the way congressional hearings are normally conducted. They are far less fact-finding than grandstanding arranged in response to interest groups in return for votes and campaign contributions. Eliminating this charade ought be high on the agenda of the new leadership. No one is fooled by it and it just serves to bring the body into disrepute. I would think they have many more important things to do these days. It also plays directly into the hands of their opposition, which may have been one reason why it was brought up on this show, tho I certainly think Rep Ellison deserved to be heard. But I think this was a witch-hunt pure and simple. I don't care what is taught in a mosque or anywhere else - it is protected speech - which I doubt can be considered "hate" speech anyway. IMHO, it's only the would-be lovers who are the haters, as in the common expression "a love-hate relationship." If such ppl are not loved, they believe they must be hated; they don't have any other view of it. And besides that, the US has plenty of its own religious fundamentalists, even in NY.