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REMant  02/14/2011 11:15 AM Report

It is not events that matter so much as what ppl believe about them. It is so typically hypocritical of "progressive" Americans, who undeniably started all of this thru their asinine political and economic policies going back decades, to blame it all on someone whose power they assiduously supported until the moment he renounced it. The history has to be revised too, the authors made to appear always in the right. Some have attacked the Bush admin as well as Mubarak, forgetting that the current admin has followed in its footsteps, and that Bill Clinton started the rendition program, while they, themselves, vociferously urged the Iraq war. No amount of revisionism is, however, going to change the fact that General Mubarak was America's man in the Middle East, his son and cronies Egypt's leading globalizers. Mubarak is just another casualty of the "Great Recession," like Greece, Iceland and Ireland, Lehman, and the rest. Like the Wall St bankers, they played Washington's game and lost. But, of course, the "progressive" history of that event has it that it was caused by the Bushs, and the bankers, not by their own policies of easy money and unlimited credit.

According to Prof Paul Aram on the increasingly influential new Jadaliyya website, and very familiar, it appears, with the situation, this revolution was made by nationalist, as opposed to globalizing, businessmen, both within and without the Egyptian army, being fueled by investments from China, Russia, Brazil and elsewhere, and the poor, including a large number of women workers and entrepreneurs fighting police racketeering, which had been feeding off IMF strictures ending welfare. The American role has either been negative or irrelevant, and gushing such as Friedman's last Thursday merely self-aggrandizement, window dressing, or perhaps, cow manure. Our aid has been only for American weapons. It is not just that Obama felt it was up to the Egyptians themselves, it WAS up to the Egyptians, themselves. We've had little or no say in the matter. It was face-saving and politically motivated, back-pedaling as much as their victim. They were not then Friedman's kind of ppl in the square, he and the rest were just trying to step in front of their parade. See Paul Aram, "Why Egypt's Progressives Win" http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/586/why-egypts-progressives-win and Stephen Sheehi "Recuperating the Democracy Narrative: Fareed Zakaria and Preparing for a Post-Mubarak World

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/600/recuperating-the-democracy-narrative_fareed-zakaria-and-prep aring-for-a-post-mubarak-world

But I think it likely that these elements are, in fact, closer to Islam than to the West. Islam, like Christianity, itself, once, has stood against the sort of values underlying Western business practice. And armies are not - not even our own - much inclined to democracy, even if they do not like playing second fiddle to a palace guard. The reason they took little action Feb 4, Aram alleges, was because the govt was afraid to issue them ammunition. After years of peace, the army does now include many involved in the tourist and other businesses on the side, so they have an incentive to side with the protestors and settle this issue, tho the Supreme Army Council does include Suleiman (See http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121185311711502.html) That much had not really changed. And, indeed, that has given the president and in his party here an opening to make further attempts at controlling the situation.

In painting the protestors as fundamentalists, the clique was right in American terms; they were not globalizers, the globalizers were themselves. The repeated expression of the protestors Friday, that they were now truly Egyptians, then, exactly correct. It was not merely a matter of dignity, but of independence. (I was pleased to see just this argued, in Sunday's Post by Hussein Agha and Robert Malley, who pointed out that the Arab world's once proud place in the revolution business - Nasser's nationalizing and Soviet turn; Algeria's war with France; the Saudi oil embargo, and the PLO - was cold history, occupied now by Iran and fundamentalism http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/11/AR2011021102617.html?hpid=opinionsbox 1 On the other hand, on Chris Matthew's show, David Ignatius, said this was the price we pay for getting too close to dictators. But who is really the dictator?)

The BBC's Jeremy Bowen, Mark Mardell and John Simpson, as well as, it seems, Roger Cohen, and their chosen "experts" proved no better Friday, BTW, than the American media the day before, and the British prime minister, recently, it seems, under pressure from his own revisionists, unfortunately followed suit.

Over the weekend one saw a total disconnect between, on the one hand, the US media and the president and his minions, and, on the other, Aljazeera (except for Inside Story, which believed Anderson Cooper's version) and the world's Middle East experts. Among the former Mubarak was Hitler's brother, the ppl - our kind of ppl - triumphed, case closed, end of story. Obama likened it in this now daily propaganda appearances to the successes of Ghandi and Martin Luther King. Unfortunately for that analogy, India was abandoned after the war mainly because it was too expensive to maintain, Ghandi, who had advocated that European Jews should have given themselves up to non-violence, having little to do with it, while Martin Luther King had far less to do with passage of the Civil Rights Act than LBJ's mother and JFK's brother. And, of course, the Middle East has nothing to do with race relations. Nevertheless, violence does beget violence, and revolutions are matters of virtue, not bullets. The president might, in fact, have cited Marx to that end.