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doodah 02/12/2011 08:00 AM Report
My last comment was made Before the announcement of Victory for the Protesters (at least before I caught wind of it). The protesters kept calling, "Where is America?! Where is America?!", implying they needed and EXPECTED our Help, with their Evil Dictator. Now they overthrew him, And a Congratulations is in order. Perhaps we should send over our tremendously Talented Rock Bands so they can have a Woodstock experience Too.
NeilMacCallister 02/12/2011 04:58 AM Report
Thanks doodah, I see your point, and it's a good one, ..that these political upstarts surely are already familiar with the meaning of "democracy", ..and that the choice of whether or not they produce one is now theirs.
Okay.
Myself, I didn't see the Egyptian protestor "calling for America to intervene and save them". I agree that would have been weird.
I just saw this one young lady there protesting jubilantly, but when she was asked who would run their state after the overthrow, ..she seemed nervous in her reply of "I don't know".
Good luck to her now!
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I also agree with part of 'NoPardonforMichaelMilken'. Television viewers are spoon-fed the same pap day after day, by the same orbit-nest of people, until many of those viewers just can't care anymore, and decide to give up public-citizen decisions altogether, and just go fishing.
Because of that, "good luck" to us, too!
doodah 02/11/2011 03:59 PM Report
Nah, Neil. Let them get their own, Anwar Sadat. Oh yeah, that's right, they already had one, and they killed him.
I was referring to those same one or two Egyptian protesters in the streets calling for America to intervene and save them from themselves, like they save everybody who hates them and wants to kill them, that our media loves to show over and over again.
If the 'new' Egyptians can't figure out Democracy yet (with ALL the FREE INFORMATION available to them ALWAYS), then not much can be said for them, because they will Damn America if we do OR we don't.
NoPardonforMichaelMilken 02/11/2011 01:52 PM Report
Charlie Rose Show
Feb. 9, 2011
11:43 mark of the interview
AL HUNT: "You have a crystal ball, and I know that’s tough to do. Give us a sense how you think this is likely to play out over the next couple weeks and months.
DAVID SANGER: Well, I don’t think we’re going to see President Mubarak go anywhere soon. So I think what you’re going to see on the part of the administration an effort to peel away his supporters one at a time.
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New York Times
Feb. 11, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12egypt.html?_r=1&hp
Mubarak Steps Down, Ceding Power to Military
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK, ANTHONY SHADID and ALAN COWELL
The New York Times
February 11, 2011
CAIRO — President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt resigned his post and turned over all power to the military on Friday, ending his nearly 30 years of autocratic rule and bowing to a historic popular uprising that has transformed politics in Egypt and around the Arab world.
The streets of Cairo exploded in shouts of “God is Great” moments after Mr. Mubarak’s vice president and longtime intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, announced during evening prayers that Mr. Mubarak had passed all authority to a council of military leaders.
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Idiots, The Pinch has surrounded himself with Idiots.
Less than 48 hours - that's how long it took to humiliate The Charlie Rose Show, The New York Times, and Mr. Sanger. And this chump, Mr. Sanger, has made 74 appearances on the Charlie Rose Show. That's John McCain-David Brooks country, television talk-wise.
What's next, Chuck: A week-long study about the ongoing threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with, oh, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Avigdor Lieberman, Norman Podhoretz, Martin Indyk, Lally Weymouth, and, of course, Judith Miller?
Maybe a week-long discussion about the strength of Wall Street risk management practices, the collateralized debt obligation, and the credit default swap with, say, Lehman CEO Dick Fuld, Bear Stearns CEO Jim Coyne, former AIG CEO Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, SEC Boss Chris Cox, former Fed Czar Alan Greenspan, Jim Cramer, and Larry Kudlow?
NeilMacCallister 02/11/2011 12:27 PM Report
Hah! .."a Sexy Lobbyist", ..eh, doodah?
Just like that Republican ex-U.S. Representative Christopher Lee?
He wasn't really a "John Wayne", you know, ..nor a "Captain Sully".
And I am asking for no one to be a "policeman of the world".
Maybe just an educator, a humble public servant willing to share an opinion on the benefits of an orderly passing of power.
Too many Olympic teams have lost relay race leads because they dropped the baton during a clumsy hand-off.
I'm just hoping for a John Adams, an Abraham Lincoln, or a Barack Obama who can put into words what nascent democracies need to hear to keep themselves moving forward smoothly in the race of time.
Wisdom, not weapons.
doodah 02/11/2011 07:48 AM Report
...We are THE BACKBONE of Congress. ..morally-depraved BACKBONE, sluts of Congress. that is
doodah 02/11/2011 07:45 AM Report
... and we're 'Classy' :), because we eat at 'Classy' restaurants (tax deduction);)
doodah 02/11/2011 07:34 AM Report
...it's no secret, we 'Lobbyists', are the morally-depraved sluts of Congress. We can do anything, it's our birth right.
doodah 02/11/2011 06:59 AM Report
Our American Press/media wants us to be the World's Policeman AGAIN. .. I wish they would MAKE UP THEIR MINDs.
Oh yeah, that's right, it's only bait, for the reality-show soap-opera (that is their twisted-little-lives(lies?)).
I'm a Sexy Lobbyist :)
NeilMacCallister 02/10/2011 05:34 PM Report
REMant? ..The United States could and should "play a significant part in the outcome". I mean, where are the "adult personalities" in the universe of democracy? Why do we hear absolutely nothing except "Oh, my gosh!! Look at that!!"???? ..or hear people sitting around wishing for "crystal balls" and worrying about the future??
Egypt is a right now a stagecoach careening out-of-control, with no one at the reigns, but is there no John Wayne available to speak to those people and advise them on how to pick up those reigns, and bring their horses under control??
Is the world just a bunch of rubber-neckers hoping to witness a big crash???
The Egyptians are clamoring for democracy. Why doesn't some elder democratic statesperson stand up and advise them how to fly such a machine? Where is a "Captain Sully" ready to get on the radio and help those people bring that "out-of-control aircraft" back down to earth safely????
Are democratic peoples' so weak that we can do nothing???
John F. Kennedy, or Ronald Reagan, would have had the guts to put their reputation on the line, and pronounce the responsibilities and the promises inherent in a democracy: "Put forth a constitution. Nominate the candidates. Perform the election. And then go back to work, living with the results of your freedom until the next election."
That's life! It's not that hard! And you don't need a gun!
It's just WORK.
Is no one going to do it???
robdverity 02/10/2011 05:22 PM Report
Underlying all this is demographics and economics. Egyptians like many others have screwed themselves away from the table. Population growth has outstripped its ability to support it. Lack of jobs - Mubarak loses his. Democracy w/o jobs is meaningless. Egypt may have to become a ward-of-the-world (UN?). Like overpopulation everywhere; a burgeoning threat to the quality of life down the road. Maybe that's what wars are ultimately all about, eh? Thinning the herd.
REMant 02/10/2011 02:05 PM Report
Sometimes "autocrats" are expected, and necessary. The problem is to know when they are no longer so, or have just lost the respect of the ppl. The fact that half of Egypt seems to be looking to "globalization" for a better life, is no sign of which it is, as it is not in this country where the division is much the same. The government has already acknowledged the corruption and taken steps to effect reforms, with the promise of more. It is not clear whether they can be believed, but I see no reason why not, unless as in Pakistan, the reformers, in their optimism, create civil unrest. That's why I think this will have to happen in stages, will need the army, and a leader who can inspire confidence in all the parties. I don't see why the UN cannot, if asked, take steps to guarantee a free and fair election in the fall, and I think something of the sort will be necessary to stem the flow of money out of the country and assuage tourist fears until then. But first, it will likely take disarming the paramilitary groups and reining in the security police. Still that will not likely meet the aspirations of every young person.
I think it is one thing to urge calm and respect for universal human values, as was done at first by nearly every govt, but quite another to start trying to influence the result. There is no way a foreign power like the US is going to be able to emerge unscathed from a situation like this. We have tried to umpire events like this before only to have all sides against us. The Cairo speech was in part at fault to begin with, as I believe was widely noted at the time. And the president has repeatedly done the same thing here, making him quite unpopular with a large part of this nation. It is unexpected from someone whose conciliatory talents were touted during the campaign.
But IMHO the resolution of these problems is going to take resolution of the underlying economic problem, which we have been grappling with for the past few years. Important as they are, the religious and cultural aspects are just part of it. I fear, however, in the end the US will not play any significant part in the outcome.
charlizecourriers 02/10/2011 12:43 PM Report
Crystal ball, or water wings?