Charlie Rose

blank  02/07/2011 04:14 AM Report

also change you're -> your (tired) giving up on text apologize for posts

something more related: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12328967

SharkswithfrikingLazers  02/07/2011 03:16 AM Report

Everyone in the leadership spotlight has a military background. So the military is a given not a distinguishing characteristic.

Perhaps this is most like the grumbling before the French Revolution--not enough bread.

How come we are not hearing more about the economy in Egypt? Food prices shot up higher than in 2008. In 1977 there were massive riots when it was announced that the government would allow the prices of a list of essential goods to go up.

In 2006 and 2007 Egypt was swept by an unprecedented wave of strikes in both public and privately-owned factories and even in some government departments. In almost all the cases it was about pay.

Now we have huge unemployment of the recent college graduates. Sounds like "it is the economy stupid". (By the way, this same pot is simmering in China.)

blank  02/07/2011 01:29 AM Report

please disregard comments posted before there is no delete feature

blank  02/06/2011 11:23 PM Report

okay i think you're punishment should be that you should be placed naked in a large bullet proof glass container in one of these squares in egypt and you should be tied upright legs and arms spread to a structure within it that barely noticeably rotates slowly in circles and every few hours subjected to a heavy influx of marijuana vapor people can throw rocks at you if they want but it will just bounce off of the glass this will last from sunrise to sunset

and then i will take you to the bedroom at which point you won't know what will happen

alas our love is so great that we together will risk everything being stoned to death in order to feel the passion of being in the moment of each others arms i cannot go on we must flee the country and start anew in a land far away

blank  02/06/2011 06:04 PM Report

okay that's bold i should have done <brsame things opposite direction i'll try now it's <brsame things opposite direction on three separate lines three times

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three lines no spaces

blank  02/06/2011 05:20 PM Report

aww it didn't do my spaces right there were supposed to be triple line spaces after blue sky and going hiking but i should get paid anyway!!

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i put three <bsame things opposite direction above

blank  02/06/2011 05:15 PM Report

the sky really is falling the internet is abstract delusiism

i'm going outside

the snow it's everywhere and white puffy clouds on blue sky

if i can just fix myself which i know how to i'll be straight up ^

i'm going to the store and buying food and going hiking

you can play games with legos life is about doing what you want to do

i could not see myself kicking it with somebody

who would stone themselves to death

hypothetically speaking if i just felt good (not psychologically but physically)

that would be good enough for me

pay me $100,000 for the poet i am

if you pay me $100,000 i will take out the words "stone themselves to death"

why would i want to think about that?

unless stoning actually means subjecting somebody to extreme amounts of

marijuana smoke

BENEZRAA  02/06/2011 11:09 AM Report

CORRECTIONS TO PREVIOUS POST

DELETE [redundant phrase] - "as partisans" (from "who fought against the Nazis as partisans") - [paragraph 3, line 2]

CHANGE [awkward phrase] - "in terms bewareness" to "caution before" - [paragraph 3, line 9]

BENEZRAA  02/06/2011 10:54 AM Report

TWO ADDITIONAL SPECULATIONS

1. There is a deep, strong, active White Supremacy movement in the USA that may now be playing a strong or even decisive role in actively determining US foreign policy.

2. The White Supremacy movement is not a new or recent phenomenon. It is endemic in the USA, has occupied the State Department and then the CIA before and after World War Two, and has gained great strength since 1967, when during the Six Day War, Israel attacked the USS Liberty. The ethos "Never forgive, never forget," associated with the post-Holocaust modern State of Israel, is hardly a unique military ethos, and it is certain that there are persons, who served on the USS Liberty, and others, who have capitalized on the event of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, who have deliberately, actively, even obsessively and compulsively waged at least a campaign of propaganda against Israel and against the government of the USA, claiming that the USA has covered up the event, and claiming that the USA doctored the white papers of the event in order to give Israel a pass. That the USS Liberty "Israel is guilty" proponents do what they do, regarded as crackpots publicly by the mainstream and by the government, does not mean that what has been "buried" may not be dug up. The phrase, "Vengeance is sweet, but, justice is sweeter," comes to mind, and may possibly apply in the deeper memory of the mainstream of power. As well, the phrase, "Revenge is a dish best served cold," may be quite appropriate to this moment in history. Indeed, hot as things are, they are also so very, very cold -- and not solely, because we are in mid-winter.

Speaking of winter, I am reminded of the famous Bielski brothers and other Jewish partisans, who lived in the forests and fought against the Nazis as partisans, a proud legacy of Jews and Israel from another time and place, and from which much may be learned. Yet the context must be remembered, as must the costs and the cold discipline. Where there are totalitarian enemies of whatever flavor, these enemies are embedded in the doing of evil horror; they are not actors in a Hollywood movie; they are well skilled on their home turf, in old and new technologies including internet and computer skills, and in the most sophisticated and vulgar means of infiltration. Any would-be Bielski brothers are well advised to let discretion and secure intelligence be the better part of valor. Naivety, especially naivety in terms of who and how to trust, and in terms bewareness of the charms of "snake charmers" (have no illusions of who you are in the eyes of the enemy, for to the enemy, who is the snake, but, who sees himself as the snake charmer), is the pathway to becoming a show piece for the snake charmer. To use an additional metaphor, bait may appear on a disguised hook and may be deadly to approach. Bait is a means to catch fish to consume and to use as additional bait, on and on to it's stinky, rotten, ad nauseum, never-ending end.

Having written this, knowing full well that it is mere plausible speculation coming from an isolated view of the world, I leave it to the professionals to evaluate and to come to careful and objective consideration. I hope and pray there is no substance in these speculations.

BENEZRAA  02/06/2011 09:34 AM Report

RE - EARLIER 'CROSSBOW' COMMENT BY MYSELF

The scenario I described is hypothetical based on the view of the world that I have from my own tiny little fishbowl, which decreases exponentially, and is solely based on a daily diet of mainstream news and talk shows such as this.

I pray to HaShem that anything I have ever suggested that is at least plausible, if it has struck a chord with those, who daily hold the security and freedom of their unique nations and of the world in their hands -- and I assume this based on the nature and format of this venue -- that anything warranting deeper consideration is properly vetted.

An earlier commentator made mention of "obsessive compulsive disorder". This person should take heart that their interest and opinions are still worthwhile.

doodah  02/06/2011 07:22 AM Report

Nothing suggests that Egypt is another Iran. Except for the Chicken Littles of the world, who always 'try to 'profess' the sky is falling (NO MATTER WHAT). In fact, there is more evidence to the contrary, that Egyptians are ready to take their society to the next level to reach their full individual potentials to expand their middle-class. It's the dawning of a new era, that nothing that a few adjustments, i.e. 'Term Limits' can't fix.

It is this rhetoric, that Americans should be propagating as soon as a settlement of process has been reached.

Now Bully

turpenoid  02/06/2011 06:33 AM Report

Great interview, as always. Done while watching:

http://monichavez.blogspot.com/2011/02/portraits.html

Sanford  02/05/2011 08:18 PM Report

Thomas Friedman is mistaken: Mubarak departure won't lead to chaos:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/05/mubarak-departure-wont-lead-to-chaos_n_819144.html

"Rutherford noted that pundits such as Thomas Friedman seem to think that the Mubarak regime is on one end of the political spectrum, the Muslim Brotherhood

is on the other, and there is nothing in between.

But Egypt is not another Iran -- and the Muslim Brotherhood is not another Ayatollah Khomenei waiting to establish an Islamic theocracy.

blank  02/05/2011 07:49 PM Report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12371479

i still would offer "Tarek Masoud of Harvard Kennedy School" and "Emad Shahin of University of Notre Dame" who appeared on this show on January 31st as the face of help of the united states in some way or other for dealing with this issue and the transitional government

i feel like if i were an egyptian and wanted to be like the united states i would trust those two people they seemed to have genuine concern beyond just peace in the interest of the united states also they are not intimidating

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

http://irnglobal.com/?p=25834 (?)

http://irnglobal.com/?p=27146

http://irnglobal.com/?p=27404

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11346 (frank wisner is at 21:30)

anyway i'm truly done with all of this it's a never ending maze

just posting this cuz i have obsessive compulsive disorder

and to put a stamp on the amount of time i spent on it ?

BENEZRAA  02/05/2011 07:30 PM Report

A GIANT GEOPOLITICAL 'CROSSBOW' IS NOW ALMOST STRUCTURALLY COMPLETE ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST INTO CENTRAL ASIA POINTED DIRECTLY AT ISRAEL.

The completed BOW will extend north-south from Turkey through Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan into Gaza and Egypt. The completed STOCK will extend east-west connecting Jordan through Iraq into Iran and perhaps even into Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Kashmir. The bolts will be loaded and will face Israel.

Such a completed geopolitical entity will make invasion of Israel a foregone conclusion. Notice that across the ocean westward from Israel is the USA.

Such a completed geopolitical entity (let's call it 'Islamia') divides the 'Old World' continent straight across the middle, creating two great spheres of influence: ISLAMIA and CHINA.

Then consider China as a west-east crossbow stretching from the westernmost reaches of Tibet all the way to the Pacific coast of China and pointing eastward.

The USA will therefore be vulnerable on the east coast by Islamia and on the west cost by China.

rtb  02/05/2011 09:59 AM Report

Let the sausage making begin.

robdverity  02/04/2011 07:28 PM Report

Truth be known, we would support Genghis Khan if it meant support for Israel. BS re democracy is just that - BS! Ask Hamas.

DavLev  02/04/2011 06:13 PM Report

Mr.Friedman typically blames Israel for the conflict in the M.E.He repeatedly refers to the settlements as the provocation which distresses the Arabs, as an insult to them.

Of couse he doesnt explain why Israel is in part of the West Bank and has built housing for married couples, along with yeshivas (schools) and ritual bath houses (mikvas), along with nursery schhols. The why seems in some distant past war..(In 67, Golda begged the King of Jordan to refrain from entering, alongside Egypt and Syria, which had blocked Israel's 2nd major seaport AND threw the UN workers out of the area.

Israel offered most of the territory back..to the 2 Arab League Nos..no peace, no recognition, and no negotiations.

It has repeatedly offered to compromise..per UN242, and discuss the so-called refugees (now numbering over 5m including children and grandchildren). Another UN resolution requires both sides to negotiate a solution,

acceptable by both.

But Friedman, like Kissinger, have no clues as to where Egyhpt is going? They know darned well that Islamic states

view Egypt as a goal for radical Islam..a prize to be won, as in Lebanon. They have no clue? Friedman is a fool, and

dangerous. He is articulate however, and convincing, even when he doesnt have any opinions or answers. He is just a

journalist, not a historian, politician or pundit. He should know that Mubarak was our boy in Cairo for 30 years..better than Hussein in Iraq or the mullahs in Iran.

Egypts problem is simple..too many people for a backward

nation. Unlike Iran and Iraq, they do not have much oil or

natural gas to financie their development. They are living

in pre-historic days..If the Brotherhood take over,look for

them to emulate Iran..and feel sorry for Egypt. Moses

was right, in leading his people out of bondage..better later then never. Radical Islam will attempt to rewrite the bible. Already, they are calling for an end to the treaty with Israel. They forgot that the army was within aartillery range of Cairo and their armies surrounded by

A. Sharons tanks.

How fast we forget.

doodah  02/04/2011 02:30 PM Report

The Egyptian Military seems like the Only grown-ups involved in this whole mess. If they can maintain order Enough to get through this clusterf*ck. They are the ones to be congratulated.

When it happens in this country, Our military should take the same stance. Allow 'the people' to take back their government from the Professional politicians , Corporate Lobbyists and Liberal Academics, in hopefully a peaceful transisition. I think they will, they're sick of getting screwed too.

REMant  02/04/2011 11:17 AM Report

I don't agree with any of this. It strikes me as the usual American wishful thinking. The situation in Egypt seems to me much like that in Pakistan with Musharraf, and similar too in the crude way its been handled. The military is a little fascist, and perhaps a little fundamentalist, and has grown quite upset with development of cronyism in the regime, symbolized by Mubarak's son. (Isn't it always the sons?) When Suleiman, who represents the Army, was sworn in, it meant the Gamal faction was out. There is also a great amount of corruption in the police, and a number of thugs co-opted by the regime and used for purposes not unlike Mugabe's.

But both the immediate cause and the underlying condition is due to a persistent American and European easy monetary policy, which has impoverished all these countries and created huge disparities in wealth as it has here at home. I've written about this at length over the past few years and won't do it once more, except to say that the UN has, with the addition of droughts and flooding, reported food prices at historic highs, and that Helicopter Ben has found it necessary as he did in the oil crisis to deny blame for any of it. See http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2011/0203/Bernanke-Federal-Reserve-not-to-blame-for-food-price-infl ation This is normal Keynesian dogma. Monetary policy, Keynes averred, cannot cause price increases, because there really can never be enough money, and all such problems are due to "real" demand and supply. Really as ignorant a statement as that a worldwide glut of savings caused the real estate bubble. Besides that, Bernanke said, it is none of the Fed's business what happens over there. And the US needs a little inflation, he argues paradoxically, when, by definition, that will mean there's a shortage of supply.

Ultimately this is not about either the military or Mubarak, but about ppl like Tom Friedman. European liberals proclaimed American Indians noble savages, and similarly the colonial revolutionaries, in a great flood of enthusiastic primitivism, tho, of course, they were also believed inferior to anything continental. It has always been so. We gush about them, but we do not really care about them, and if they object to our encroachments on their dignity and way of life, we will mow them down, then shake our heads in disbelief. We do the same with our children. Easy money has meant that most parents no longer need their offspring in old age, and they've become objects of sentiment, occasionally status symbols, but never real persons. Parents say they don't want to be a burden, but it is they who don't want to be burdened. This, in turn, brings on a great philanthropic fuss to save the children, just like what we are hearing about the Arabs and Africans. But what can be the result, except ppl who cannot function without the autocrats we love to hate? Doesn't this enlightened nation, itself, have one of the largest prison populations in the world? How exceptional is that?